$250 for a speed square is pretty crazy ngl. I guess if all you do is framing and have a limited tool set it makes sense, however most of the framers I've seen could invest in a plumb bob or a plate to plate level with some of the walls I've seen.
Crazy, I bought a Sawnson speed square in the late seventies when I started framing, 90% of the homes I have built have trusses so most of the time you’re markings straight lines with it figuring out a cut angle. For staircases I use a rafter square, all the information you need is on it in fact their is a 200 page book on how to use it. I did buy a new one when they put the scribe notches on it.
I bought three of the Martinez squares but I'm done now, the extra deep pencil notches every so far are maddening. I scribe lines a lot using Pica Dry or Hultafor pencils and those deep notches snap the lead off eveytime as you move along. I messaged Mark a long time ago and he basically said screw off. Now don't get me wrong I love me some Martinez tools, I bought literally everything they've ever built including the early framing square for 500 bucks! But I'm just done with these. I use a speed square every single day and this is something I'm just not going to deal with anymore.
Not everything has to be titanium imo it's very high grade aluminum with etched markings, the same type of stuff used in air planes and rockets that... literally go into space... the prices of these squares are high yes because the materials but also because of extreme precision they offer, your regular run of the mill CNC system can not make these squares the equipment alone cost millions which in return gets pushed to the consumer, I personally love my squijig rafter square and after I bought the martines tool belt I'll NEVER and I mean never give that man another dime. Stiletto hammers, squijig squares, and diamondback bags.
Also if your building regular neighborhood homes and basic decks and things such as that you don't even need these tools, but I build extremely custom mansions in orange Beach/Pensacola Florida for billionaires that want everything including my framing to be within crazy tolerances and look absolutely stunning because it's open for so long so these precision tools absolutely have a place on our jobs sites and I love my fusion square
If you actually use a square they do break and bend. Like my swansons would always break on the corner of the pivot point. My titanium Martinez has no damage after a year and half and if it does break I can replace the heel.
Ive always thought these squares were ridiculous, because of price. I didn't realize until recently that it doubles as a Torpedo quite well. As a deck builder I use a Torpedo alot. And not having one in my belt would be amazing.
I compare buying these expensive squares with buying a set of expensive golf clubs and then expecting you can play at the PGA level. The tool is limited by the knowledge and experience of the user. Money saved by buying a cheaper but good square can be spend on other tools. Plus, a separate torpedo can be used on all squares.
No idea.. been using a Swanson for 10 years. Just found out this is a thing. Just ridiculous. I can do everything I need with a Swanson. No need to justify using a $300 square. No big shot here.
Swanson's new speed square is just as good for 30$ Canadian! Its a speed square not a piece of jewelry lol. Martinez tools are beautiful but not practical for the money. They are to "show off" that you can extremely over pay for a tool because your favorite youtuber said they are cool. If someone gave me one i would certainly love to use it but if i can buy a track saw for the same price as a speed square then there is something off about the price of the speed square lol His new framing square is almost 400$ Canadian. "Framers" dont need a 400 framing square...ever...But beautiful tools just non sensical. Love your vids. Keep it up
@@elitegroup7461 relax. It’s just an opinion. I can afford one. Just doesn’t make sense to me. Im happy for you making good money man. Good for you. I buy plenty of expensive tools as I own a contracting company. I do well like you. I just don’t see the value in a speed square being 400$. Each their own tho. Sorry I upset you Cheers
@@elitegroup7461 I definitely spend more on tools than I should too. I love good tools and never from Walmart lol. I do have to say tho the new Swanson speed square is pretty awesome and I have stiletto hammers and diamondback and occidental pouches and all the Jazz. I’m sure that square is awesome but it’s just too skewed on price for me. That’s all. I’ve thought about buying one for sure but something in me just can’t agree with it. I think Mark is recouping his cost of development too quickly lol. Anyway good chat. Enjoy the work however you can. Cheers
I have a Swanson speed square which I’ve had for at least 25 years, it does exactly the same thing as a Martinez square , Martinez tools are ridiculous money, their for tool junkies
Yes it is a lot of money but when you use the thing everyday and 30x a day it’s worth it .. why because at the end of the day its really cheap insurance.. it’s titanium your work will be 100% all the time and you don’t even have to worry about it ,the thing pays its self fast …I’m sure it will out live your both knees and the tv .. only 1 way with building plum and level.. cheers
I use the imperial measurement system, the metric system is an old measurements system as well and imperial is old , it’s what your used to and more comfortable with I’m more comfortable with feet and inches,
I'm sure they're great squares, but there is nothing a square can do that warrants the price of these not even close
The $3.95 Swanson Speedlight Plastic Orange Square does exactly the same thing, and nobody is interested in stealing it from you
I use the Swanson pro. 30 bucks, anything more than that for a square is fucking stupid.
I love my Martinez squares. I have the mini trim square as well. Best squares on the planet as you said.
$250 for a speed square is pretty crazy ngl. I guess if all you do is framing and have a limited tool set it makes sense, however most of the framers I've seen could invest in a plumb bob or a plate to plate level with some of the walls I've seen.
Crazy, I bought a Sawnson speed square in the late seventies when I started framing, 90% of the homes I have built have trusses so most of the time you’re markings straight lines with it figuring out a cut angle. For staircases I use a rafter square, all the information you need is on it in fact their is a 200 page book on how to use it. I did buy a new one when they put the scribe notches on it.
The impression is spot on
Trigjig rsa7 is my fave. 100% CNC machined, 1/6th scribes and half the price of Martinez
I bought three of the Martinez squares but I'm done now, the extra deep pencil notches every so far are maddening. I scribe lines a lot using Pica Dry or Hultafor pencils and those deep notches snap the lead off eveytime as you move along. I messaged Mark a long time ago and he basically said screw off.
Now don't get me wrong I love me some Martinez tools, I bought literally everything they've ever built including the early framing square for 500 bucks! But I'm just done with these. I use a speed square every single day and this is something I'm just not going to deal with anymore.
$500! Bro wtf is wrong with you?
@@lcuriel2891big shot
Just got my squi jig framing square, with of course dr decks jig
$200 and it's not titanium? No
Not everything has to be titanium imo it's very high grade aluminum with etched markings, the same type of stuff used in air planes and rockets that... literally go into space... the prices of these squares are high yes because the materials but also because of extreme precision they offer, your regular run of the mill CNC system can not make these squares the equipment alone cost millions which in return gets pushed to the consumer, I personally love my squijig rafter square and after I bought the martines tool belt I'll NEVER and I mean never give that man another dime. Stiletto hammers, squijig squares, and diamondback bags.
Also if your building regular neighborhood homes and basic decks and things such as that you don't even need these tools, but I build extremely custom mansions in orange Beach/Pensacola Florida for billionaires that want everything including my framing to be within crazy tolerances and look absolutely stunning because it's open for so long so these precision tools absolutely have a place on our jobs sites and I love my fusion square
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Titanium is harder and won't ware out like aluminum.
It’s almost $400 for the titanium Martinez square. The other is only 180 and you get 10% off on top of that
Love the tool reviews!
I’ve got an OG (Hanson) Speed Square dated 1987 and one that is even older than that - you can’t wear them out ! Are those collectors items now ?
If you actually use a square they do break and bend. Like my swansons would always break on the corner of the pivot point. My titanium Martinez has no damage after a year and half and if it does break I can replace the heel.
I hope so I have about five,
Ive always thought these squares were ridiculous, because of price.
I didn't realize until recently that it doubles as a Torpedo quite well. As a deck builder I use a Torpedo alot. And not having one in my belt would be amazing.
Use a framing square for stairs, it’s much easier.
You probably use the bottle opener a lot.
Squi jig or whatever is $270 for an aluminum square and martinez is $300 for titanium!
I compare buying these expensive squares with buying a set of expensive golf clubs and then expecting you can play at the PGA level. The tool is limited by the knowledge and experience of the user. Money saved by buying a cheaper but good square can be spend on other tools. Plus, a separate torpedo can be used on all squares.
Or, you can get the original Swanson speed square for $15. What's wrong with people?
No idea.. been using a Swanson for 10 years. Just found out this is a thing. Just ridiculous. I can do everything I need with a Swanson. No need to justify using a $300 square. No big shot here.
I open my bottles with my hammer claw.
lol, tight together at 2:29 and the levels don't match - one is useless gimmicky junk, or they both are..
Swanson's new speed square is just as good for 30$ Canadian! Its a speed square not a piece of jewelry lol. Martinez tools are beautiful but not practical for the money. They are to "show off" that you can extremely over pay for a tool because your favorite youtuber said they are cool. If someone gave me one i would certainly love to use it but if i can buy a track saw for the same price as a speed square then there is something off about the price of the speed square lol His new framing square is almost 400$ Canadian. "Framers" dont need a 400 framing square...ever...But beautiful tools just non sensical. Love your vids. Keep it up
@@elitegroup7461 so your saying you overpaid for a square 😂😂
@@elitegroup7461 relax. It’s just an opinion. I can afford one. Just doesn’t make sense to me. Im happy for you making good money man. Good for you. I buy plenty of expensive tools as I own a contracting company. I do well like you. I just don’t see the value in a speed square being 400$. Each their own tho. Sorry I upset you Cheers
@@elitegroup7461 agree with ya on that man
@@elitegroup7461 I definitely spend more on tools than I should too. I love good tools and never from Walmart lol. I do have to say tho the new Swanson speed square is pretty awesome and I have stiletto hammers and diamondback and occidental pouches and all the Jazz. I’m sure that square is awesome but it’s just too skewed on price for me. That’s all. I’ve thought about buying one for sure but something in me just can’t agree with it. I think Mark is recouping his cost of development too quickly lol. Anyway good chat. Enjoy the work however you can. Cheers
Sqid jig best square out rn
If I mark 1 3/4" and cut inside the line, boom! 1 5/8". Problem solved. Problem staying solved. Rangers lead the way.
I have a Swanson speed square which I’ve had for at least 25 years, it does exactly the same thing as a Martinez square , Martinez tools are ridiculous money, their for tool junkies
You must not actually use it. I use speed squares every day and I've been through at least 6 in 14 years.
I use my square every day, and it’s a Swanson, it does the same thing as yours, for stair stringers I would use a framing square with stair gauge’s.
Y’all don’t drink on site lol jk…maybe anything is a bottle opener if you are brave enough
Yes it is a lot of money but when you use the thing everyday and 30x a day it’s worth it .. why because at the end of the day its really cheap insurance.. it’s titanium your work will be 100% all the time and you don’t even have to worry about it ,the thing pays its self fast …I’m sure it will out live your both knees and the tv .. only 1 way with building plum and level.. cheers
How’s he gonna call to see if you want one, then make you pay? 😂 pass
Shame it's not metric..it's the 21st century.
I just ordered SquiJig in metric they do have em. Also some stair stringer jigs.
Martinez makes one in metric.
Get outa here with that metric nonsense.
I use the imperial measurement system, the metric system is an old measurements system as well and imperial is old , it’s what your used to and more comfortable with I’m more comfortable with feet and inches,
I was REALLY hoping the squi.jig square would have ⅛" scribes instead of all ¼. Oh well.. I like my precision measurements