I've changed the thumbnail to better reflect the heart of the video, I apologize for any negative feelings or thoughts that I might have sparked with the previous one
@@kaitowolfgaming Oh it does. I've been playing Andariel's almost the entire season so I cook variants. Gonna try this one later for sure and upload video if works. Might tag you if goes as I imagine it will.
@@kaitowolfgaming Didn't work as expected. It is too tedious to make sure enemies are in straight line to take the novas and you lose a lot of speed. Maybe next season with some reworked uniques.
I wanted to try and play something off meta because I don’t like doing what everyone else is doing. I tried to make a build that can compete to some extent and it’s still a work in progress, but it’s still viable at this unideal stage of the build. Even though at the moment I wasn’t able to clear as fast as a good heartseeker build, I still think it’s possible. Either way thank you so much for dropping by and sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it!
Heartseeker is plain better because it gives crit chance, crit damage AND attack speed. That’s why it synergies so well with victimize. Meta build are meta for a reason.
Well ya of course and that’s why I decided to go off meta and do my own comparison. Victimize builds don’t benefit from crit chance or crit damage and the attack speed can be made up elsewhere. Other than that, heartseeker is still a single target ability while forceful arrow can hit entire packs. I feel like in the most optimized versions of both builds (and I’m not saying mine is optimized), forceful arrow will clear more enemies more quickly. Either way thank you for dropping by and sharing your thought !
@@kaitowolfgaming victimize does benefit from crit because it scales off the damage you deal with the skill to proc it. so if heartseeker or forceful arrow crit when proccing victimize, the explosion does more damage even if it can't crit itself (it would actually be double dipping if it could crit). fair enough to make alternative off meta builds but your thumbnail literally says 'better than heartseeker'.
Wait what I also learned from people the exact opposite. That’s strange. Thank you for letting me know I really appreciate it. And yeah I’ve angered enough people with my thumbnail I think it’s about time I change it 😅 sorry about that
I apologize if I’ve hurt you and perhaps I shouldn’t have been so blunt with my accusations, but to some extent I still stand by my opinion. I know and understand heartseeker is superior in many ways, I only wanted to shed some light on forceful arrow as an alternative option. Either way thank you so much for dropping by and giving me your feedback, I really appreciate it!
@@kaitowolfgaming Nothing to apologize for, and you definitely didn't hurt me in any way, lol. I was commenting both to help and to state the opinion tbh.
You get a greater quantity of masterwork upgrade material per tier that you complete. So for example tier 90 of the pit gives you 49 nearhiron but tier 91 gives you 50 and I think tier 100 is 59. It just helps you upgrade your gear faster, but the thing is you need a build capable of doing the tiers efficiently and of course it helps to find a sweet spot of quantity of material to completion time ratio. So if you can do tier 91 in 3 min but it takes you 5 min to do 95 then it’s probably more efficient to do the 93 Anyways thank you so much for dropping by!
Yeah I’m honestly not the best at going fast and I tend to take my time with things, but my point is that I think forceful arrow is better at non-bossing content bc it hits more enemies. I’ll admit my gear is slightly off meta and not the best, but I do think if I had better gear then I’d be clearing faster for sure
So many brain dead heart seeker simps in the comments Mans made a viable build from a basic skills wtf have y’all done apart from copy paste Maxroll builds you bots 🤣 keep the work up man it looks interesting personally I’m running a bladeshift barrage noxious ice build lm in the process of perfecting 👍👏
@@Bowazon are you slow ? Heart seeker is only good cause of a bug ?…… tbag is a victimise bug….? Yup that’s what I said well done genius ? Swing and a miss
You could literally swap forceful for heartseeker in the same gear and clear faster... unsure how you came to the conclusion you did in your video. Your amulet is also pretty putrid, double passive amulets are insanely cheap and would likely double/triple your damage. Accursed touch is also a wasted aspect when you're literally running double vuln on lucky hit affixes (you only need one source of this ever).
Ya of course so like I said my gear and aspects are a bit off meta and not ideal, but I still disagree with you about the faster clear speed because forceful arrow will literally hit more targets than heartseeker. It’s physically impossible for heartseeker to hit more enemies because it’s a single target ability that can only ricochet once. Either way that you for dropping by and sharing your thoughts !
It’s okay, I understand a lot of people don’t like that I posted this video. Either way I still wanted to show it and I still appreciate you dropping by and sharing your thoughts!
lol I have no idea, I fought Lilith so many times this season that it’s all one blur to me, but either way this boss is and always has been stupid and annoying and possibly the worst fight in the game. Anyways thank you for dropping by and complaining to me about Lilith! I hate that boss.
@@kaitowolfgaming I love that its actually the only one i have trouble with. The rest is kinda easy. But its just wierd as fudge that its not the same.. Or i choose to belive so ! ;)
@@jespers.l1574 you are preaching to the choir I literally hate Lilith so much and the fight still isn't fair despite the things they've done to try and fix the fight. But ya if you can do uber Lilith then literally every other boss fight becomes trivial. I wish you the best of luck with killing her! And please lemme know when you do so I can properly congratulate you!
Sorry but this is not it. Forceful arrow is so much slower against bosses. Less crit chance, slower attack speed, 1 hit instead of 2, slower stagger, slower damage ramp up. Forceful arrow's pierce might do better in high density content, but not that much better, that piercing shot only happens once every 3 casts. And lastly for what it's worth, your b-roll footage played at a faster speed obfuscates that forceful arrow is that much slower.
It’s okay thank you the feedback, I completely agree that heartseeker is better during boss fights. I tried to offset the pierce in every 3 attacks by getting some attack speed to a point where it’s comfortable and can maybe compete with heartseeker. And ya my b-roll is speed up and makes it appear faster and it is actually slower on actuality, but I still think to some extent and some instances, with the right gear, affixes, and aspects, it can be a bit better than heartseeker in clear speed. Either way thank you for dropping by and sharing your thoughts! As the self proclaimed original theory crafter of the HS victimize build, it’s quite the honor to have you here. I’d love to see what builds you’ll come up with the future!
@@kaitowolfgaming no worries, good to see you didn't take the feedback too personally too (can't say the same for the yobbo else where in the comments here). The guide can be found in a few places online but mentioning those spots seems to end up having my comment getting removed :/ but I told Dieoxide about the build who then did a maxroll rendition of the build. I won't be playing season 5 though but I can say with disappointment that any builds revolving around victimise will no longer be viable in season 5. We'll see what comes up in future 👍
@@Bowazon ya honestly I'm pretty open to feedback and I really like hearing what people have to say and I try to take what good from it that I can get. I believe you about the guide, I just had no idea the originator of such a popular and meta idea would be here 😅. Ya I agree, I'm not sure how viable victimize builds will be moving forward, they certainly won't be doing nearly as much damage, but maybe there will be other things that will perform really well.
@@kaitowolfgaming the double dipping of victimise needed to be removed for sure, the disappointing part I was referring to was victimise was doing miniscule damage during the PTR, reintroducing the bugs from before the fix in season 4. The rumour is this fix won't come at the start of season 5 so at best a fix will come during the midseason patch. I posted an Andy's based HS build online too but requires Andy's helm obviously.
@@Bowazon oh damn I had no idea about the reintroducing pre season 4 bugs, that sounds really bad lol. I didn't think they'd let that happen considering this whole concept was brought to their attention, I was hoping they'd at least take care of it efficiently. Hopefully the fix will come sooner than later. I'd love to see your Andy's based build, do you have a video ?
Well to be fair I truly think it’s better in certain cases. I wasn’t trying to clickbait and lie about when that’s what I actually believe, I apologize if I’ve hurt you in any way, I’ll change the thumbnail. Either way thank you for dropping by, I appreciate it!
I've changed the thumbnail to better reflect the heart of the video, I apologize for any negative feelings or thoughts that I might have sparked with the previous one
@@kaitowolfgaming looks good 👍
@Bowazon thank you!
Nice build! I'm sure that with better gear this could actually be super fun. I'm going to try it with Andariel's Visage.
Hey thank you so much I really appreciate it! Ya I heard people are having a lot of fun with Andariel’s, I hope it goes well for you!
@@kaitowolfgaming Oh it does. I've been playing Andariel's almost the entire season so I cook variants. Gonna try this one later for sure and upload video if works. Might tag you if goes as I imagine it will.
Hey that sounds awesome please do! I can’t wait to see it
@@kaitowolfgaming Didn't work as expected. It is too tedious to make sure enemies are in straight line to take the novas and you lose a lot of speed. Maybe next season with some reworked uniques.
Ah damn sorry to hear that, hopefully next season will be better in other ways
Unfortunately, I do not have 36 hours a day to make a build like this.
Yeah that’s totally understandable
Why use this and not heartseeker? its too weak, with heartseeker i can do a T101 in 2min
I wanted to try and play something off meta because I don’t like doing what everyone else is doing. I tried to make a build that can compete to some extent and it’s still a work in progress, but it’s still viable at this unideal stage of the build. Even though at the moment I wasn’t able to clear as fast as a good heartseeker build, I still think it’s possible. Either way thank you so much for dropping by and sharing your thoughts I really appreciate it!
Heartseeker is plain better because it gives crit chance, crit damage AND attack speed.
That’s why it synergies so well with victimize. Meta build are meta for a reason.
Well ya of course and that’s why I decided to go off meta and do my own comparison. Victimize builds don’t benefit from crit chance or crit damage and the attack speed can be made up elsewhere. Other than that, heartseeker is still a single target ability while forceful arrow can hit entire packs. I feel like in the most optimized versions of both builds (and I’m not saying mine is optimized), forceful arrow will clear more enemies more quickly. Either way thank you for dropping by and sharing your thought !
@@kaitowolfgaming victimize does benefit from crit because it scales off the damage you deal with the skill to proc it. so if heartseeker or forceful arrow crit when proccing victimize, the explosion does more damage even if it can't crit itself (it would actually be double dipping if it could crit).
fair enough to make alternative off meta builds but your thumbnail literally says 'better than heartseeker'.
Wait what I also learned from people the exact opposite. That’s strange. Thank you for letting me know I really appreciate it. And yeah I’ve angered enough people with my thumbnail I think it’s about time I change it 😅 sorry about that
I respect the off-meta choice and whatnot, but you didn't have to put "Better than Heartseeker" in the thumbnail. :/
I apologize if I’ve hurt you and perhaps I shouldn’t have been so blunt with my accusations, but to some extent I still stand by my opinion. I know and understand heartseeker is superior in many ways, I only wanted to shed some light on forceful arrow as an alternative option. Either way thank you so much for dropping by and giving me your feedback, I really appreciate it!
@@kaitowolfgaming Nothing to apologize for, and you definitely didn't hurt me in any way, lol. I was commenting both to help and to state the opinion tbh.
@-Witty ah gotcha, well in that case thank you for the help and for voicing your opinion
The problem with pits is , we dont get hihher chance of GA items as u go higher the pit, which beg the question, why would we want to push higher pit?
You get a greater quantity of masterwork upgrade material per tier that you complete. So for example tier 90 of the pit gives you 49 nearhiron but tier 91 gives you 50 and I think tier 100 is 59. It just helps you upgrade your gear faster, but the thing is you need a build capable of doing the tiers efficiently and of course it helps to find a sweet spot of quantity of material to completion time ratio. So if you can do tier 91 in 3 min but it takes you 5 min to do 95 then it’s probably more efficient to do the 93
Anyways thank you so much for dropping by!
bro, you took 9 mins to reach the boss in pit 101........
Yeah I’m speed running 101 with my heartseeker in less than 3 without any crazy gear (a few 1 GA and a 0 GA shako)
Yeah I’m honestly not the best at going fast and I tend to take my time with things, but my point is that I think forceful arrow is better at non-bossing content bc it hits more enemies. I’ll admit my gear is slightly off meta and not the best, but I do think if I had better gear then I’d be clearing faster for sure
So many brain dead heart seeker simps in the comments
Mans made a viable build from a basic skills wtf have y’all done apart from copy paste Maxroll builds you bots 🤣 keep the work up man it looks interesting personally I’m running a bladeshift barrage noxious ice build lm in the process of perfecting 👍👏
The guy says it’s better than heartseeker while showing a slow ass 101, no shit…
@@thierryfaquet7405 heartseeker is only good from a bug
@@Bowazon sure you are, pity we’re in season 4
@@johnh5909 "heartseeker is only good from a bug" nope. It's victimise that is bugged. Not heartseeker.
@@Bowazon are you slow ? Heart seeker is only good cause of a bug ?…… tbag is a victimise bug….? Yup that’s what I said well done genius ? Swing and a miss
Or.... you could just take a sorc and be quicker.
I love sorc, how strong has it gotten this season ?
@@kaitowolfgaming Well if you use the shatter "bug" it´s the highest Pitclear hence strong. If you don´t do sorcs are bottom 3rd in terms of pitclear.
Oh wow at both ends of performance huh, that’s crazy. What’s the shatter bug ?
You could literally swap forceful for heartseeker in the same gear and clear faster... unsure how you came to the conclusion you did in your video. Your amulet is also pretty putrid, double passive amulets are insanely cheap and would likely double/triple your damage. Accursed touch is also a wasted aspect when you're literally running double vuln on lucky hit affixes (you only need one source of this ever).
Ya of course so like I said my gear and aspects are a bit off meta and not ideal, but I still disagree with you about the faster clear speed because forceful arrow will literally hit more targets than heartseeker. It’s physically impossible for heartseeker to hit more enemies because it’s a single target ability that can only ricochet once. Either way that you for dropping by and sharing your thoughts !
Bro this build ain’t it
Calm down terry toughnut least he’s doing different builds and has original thoughts unlike you copy paste heartseeker build. Big yawn
It’s okay, I understand a lot of people don’t like that I posted this video. Either way I still wanted to show it and I still appreciate you dropping by and sharing your thoughts!
Is there an easy mode ?? My lillth waves are MUCH bigger and faster than yours. There is no way to avoid them. Yours goes in slowmo.
lol I have no idea, I fought Lilith so many times this season that it’s all one blur to me, but either way this boss is and always has been stupid and annoying and possibly the worst fight in the game. Anyways thank you for dropping by and complaining to me about Lilith! I hate that boss.
@@kaitowolfgaming I love that its actually the only one i have trouble with. The rest is kinda easy. But its just wierd as fudge that its not the same.. Or i choose to belive so ! ;)
@@jespers.l1574 you are preaching to the choir I literally hate Lilith so much and the fight still isn't fair despite the things they've done to try and fix the fight. But ya if you can do uber Lilith then literally every other boss fight becomes trivial. I wish you the best of luck with killing her! And please lemme know when you do so I can properly congratulate you!
Sorry but this is not it. Forceful arrow is so much slower against bosses. Less crit chance, slower attack speed, 1 hit instead of 2, slower stagger, slower damage ramp up.
Forceful arrow's pierce might do better in high density content, but not that much better, that piercing shot only happens once every 3 casts.
And lastly for what it's worth, your b-roll footage played at a faster speed obfuscates that forceful arrow is that much slower.
It’s okay thank you the feedback, I completely agree that heartseeker is better during boss fights. I tried to offset the pierce in every 3 attacks by getting some attack speed to a point where it’s comfortable and can maybe compete with heartseeker. And ya my b-roll is speed up and makes it appear faster and it is actually slower on actuality, but I still think to some extent and some instances, with the right gear, affixes, and aspects, it can be a bit better than heartseeker in clear speed. Either way thank you for dropping by and sharing your thoughts! As the self proclaimed original theory crafter of the HS victimize build, it’s quite the honor to have you here. I’d love to see what builds you’ll come up with the future!
@@kaitowolfgaming no worries, good to see you didn't take the feedback too personally too (can't say the same for the yobbo else where in the comments here).
The guide can be found in a few places online but mentioning those spots seems to end up having my comment getting removed :/ but I told Dieoxide about the build who then did a maxroll rendition of the build.
I won't be playing season 5 though but I can say with disappointment that any builds revolving around victimise will no longer be viable in season 5. We'll see what comes up in future 👍
@@Bowazon ya honestly I'm pretty open to feedback and I really like hearing what people have to say and I try to take what good from it that I can get. I believe you about the guide, I just had no idea the originator of such a popular and meta idea would be here 😅. Ya I agree, I'm not sure how viable victimize builds will be moving forward, they certainly won't be doing nearly as much damage, but maybe there will be other things that will perform really well.
@@kaitowolfgaming the double dipping of victimise needed to be removed for sure, the disappointing part I was referring to was victimise was doing miniscule damage during the PTR, reintroducing the bugs from before the fix in season 4. The rumour is this fix won't come at the start of season 5 so at best a fix will come during the midseason patch.
I posted an Andy's based HS build online too but requires Andy's helm obviously.
@@Bowazon oh damn I had no idea about the reintroducing pre season 4 bugs, that sounds really bad lol. I didn't think they'd let that happen considering this whole concept was brought to their attention, I was hoping they'd at least take care of it efficiently. Hopefully the fix will come sooner than later. I'd love to see your Andy's based build, do you have a video ?
I get wanting to go off meta by why clickbait and claim its better than HS when its clearly not, this is not even top 5 rogue builds
Well to be fair I truly think it’s better in certain cases. I wasn’t trying to clickbait and lie about when that’s what I actually believe, I apologize if I’ve hurt you in any way, I’ll change the thumbnail. Either way thank you for dropping by, I appreciate it!