[SF6] Mago never gives up on Ryu's potential. "Ryu is tempting me..."【SUB】
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
- 02:25 Honestly, it's too strong.
04:49 The opponent's Drive Gauge is...
05:58 Zangief is used by many.
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Mago: Ryu is strong as hell
Also Mago: I will not use Ryu.
Different play style.
3:00 Mago: never mind…
You're not the only one thinking that Mago haha. But yeah this is the first time since SFV s1 that Ryu might actually be useable at the tournament level. So it would be great to have Daigo try him at least.
so true lol every time i see a ryu i just wish diago would play him i would love to see what diago can do with him he is a very solid character
people have been saying ryu could be tournament viable since his ed patch buffs, but has anyone even gotten good results with ryu consistently?
@@rarecrom No, but then again no prominent member of the FGC has even tried him.
Playes are more important than the character, if Ryu was this good in S1, maybe there would be more famous players using him
No pros would like to ditch their old character already trained with one year unless the new character has obvious advantages
Or your old character not viable for tournament level anymore
@@antonsundin2974 solving a character is a part of a characters potential to get good results
I agree with Mago, that Ryu has a lot of potential, I've been using him a lot in S2 and he's very fun. His fireball game is really good, he hits like an absolute truck, and does a ton of drive gauge damage on block through blockstrings and has a lot of pressure from plus frames. From using him a lot, it's also apparent all the buffs didn't address any of the things the character is missing, namely the drive rush and the normals being a bit stubby compared to other characters, where Ken already has those plus good pressure, damage and corner carry. I also think he struggles against quite a few characters many of whom are being prominently used right now.
As a Ryu main, what you said registers very well with me.
Ken’s damage is quite lackluster compared to Ryu. He makes up for it in corner carry and a 7 frame cmk
Been using him since s1, he's actually a solid good character now, his bad matchups are still tough though, Chun and Guile are absolute nightmares.
@@h3artcxxk Ryu's is of course higher but Ken does pretty good damage from the right starters and in the corner. A few bits of damage is a small price to play for a way more versatile character.
@@thiagoakira697 Guile in particular is horrible. I also dislike the JP matchup that one really sucks. Cammy is bad Chun like you said, probably way more AKI, lili, zangief etc. if he had a better drive rush to more effectively chase people and put himself in closer distances, and if he had better normals to combat to put pressure on people and stand his ground he would be so much better. Ie. Ken lol
He used to play Ryu (before buff), and is one of most solid I've seen. (like combo execution, not missing DP)
But even so, he's not performing well, even in rank games(high legend tho).
And he was crying about that, like the slowness.
2:05 ryu “no escape!”
I like Ryu but in this meta his specials can’t break DI
For Diago to use Ryu, Ryu needs two jump air fireballs forwards and backwards, invincibility teleport, and walk speeds on par with Akuma.
So, Evil Ryu?
@@streptococo4735 I don't think Ryu needs to be evil to do these three types of moves. The power of nothingness = power of buffing. The power of nerfness = not make Shin Akuma standard Akuma.
Only problem with Ryu is his neutral buttons even if u know how to play neutral well his buttons don’t really have much reach so u end up wiffing a lot and players can end up punishing you quite a bit but his damage is crazy and that Denjin hasho is nuts
Ryu been strong
Learning him just isn’t as easy as Ken
ケツフリフリ（笑）
daigo will use ryu
Never was nothing wrong with him 🙄
Naw according to Catcammys matchup sheet, Ryu has the worst matchup spread above 1700 in game with barely any being 5/5.
Just looking at the stats fails to consider the level of players that use the characters. The stats would be much different if the best players played Ryu but almost none of them play Ryu. Them not being on Ryu hurts the win rate already because they’re not helping to raise it and it hurts even more because they’re beating down the Ryu mains online.
Ryu is lacking combo strings. He’s basically 1-2 or 1-2-3. Too reliant on drive rush
Which character is not 1,2,3?
@@h3artcxxkSFV Ed: "ONE TWO THREE!"
Ken, Honda, chun-li, rashid, aki, akuma, Kimberly, juri, guile etc all can hit you with multiple hits without touching the drive gauge
@@josephjones5955 OMG this is so true!!!!
Ryu is great but not for top tournaments. :( He is still heavily lacking and not even to the same level as Ken. What is Ryu lacking the most? He is lacking alternative offensive options with protections, he has none available beyond an opponent being on burnout. He is also lack the ability to compete at close up move-exchanges combat, which is something that both Ken and Akuma have no problem in dealing with thanks to their faster Normals. To be incredible with Ryu, your fundamentals have to be on absolute point because he doesn't have the luxury of relying on his Specials like Akluma. If your fundamentals isn't on point then it is highly likely you will lose using Ryu. It's so sad for not even his famous DP is reliable for it completely vulnerable to clash against an opponent's attack, which is a huge shame. Think about it... The master of the Shoryuken is not guaranteed and that includes his OD DP too.
So, how would I buff Ryu to make him A-tier? Simple. This is what I would do:
*1. Give him his SF2 Shoryuken properties back but only apply it to his Weak Shoryuken:* That will solve tons of problems as that will serve as an ace to break any oncoming attack in corner punishes or upclose move exchanges combat..
*2. Give him his SF2 Tatsu properties back:* Akuma shouldn't have it, it should have went straight to Ryu. Giving Ryu his original tatsu back will serve greatly as a surprised counter to any fireball battles, including used as a surprise upclose counterattack due to the invincible frame at start-up. If you feel that is an unfair, don't. Why? Look at Ed, Deejay, Cammy, Luke, Akuma, and other high tier characters with their invincible frames that are far more advantageous than Ryu's SF2 tatsu. They are so advantageous that it's actually quite insulting and makes you wonder if the game designer have something against Ryu.
*3. Give him his Super SF2 Air Tatsu mechanics back:* Ryu's Super Street Fighter 2 Air Tatus is one of the most strategic and most applicable use of the air tatsu in the history of Street Fighter. Give it back to him for it can be used offensively and defensively on both attack and positioning far, near, in front and behind his opponent.
*4. Give Ryu's Normals the same properties as Ken:* Ryu has too many late active frames in his normals move sets that makes him too much a sitting duck to combo loops and close-up move exchanges. Giving all his Normals the same properties as Ken will give Ryu more of a fighting chance. Note that I don't ask for the actual Normal moves to change (e.g., being able to shift forward like Ken, Rashid and Luke normals does) because idea #1 above is a strong tool to assist.
*5. Slightly speed up and increase the blast connection range of Ryu's Level 2 and his Strong Hashogeki:* This will allow him to operate from sweep range more effectively. Note that the change will not make the strong Hashogeki the same level as Akuma's highly abusive Adament Flame that can operate from the edge of sweep range, but at least the extended blast range and slightly speeded up animation will give Ryu a better fighting chance for Ryu to more effectively operate the move from Sweep Range and give the opponent lesser time to read it.
*6. Improve his 6HK so it has similar invincible properties to Zangief and Luke's knee:* This move still needs to be heavily improve in both distance coverage and invincibility. Considering Luke and Zangief's Knee attacks and and Guile having a similar move that can clearly leap over any sweep attack, there shouldn't be any reason to why Ryu should have the worse equivalence in this.
*7. (New move) Give Ryu an additional optional overhead & low crippling follow-up attack to his OD Hashogeki:* Right now, the OS Hashogeki is still completely useless even after Season 1. This move is so useless that hardly anyone uses it. Expanding the OD Hashogeki with optional follow-ups will allow the user to have more strategy attack options to pressure their opponents. This is perfectly reasonable because, i. you cannot activate it too many times because it is an OD move, ii. Ken has an Jirai Overhead & Low kick follow up option that doesn't use Drive Meter, iii. Deejay also has an sway overhead and low kick options.
*8. Speed up his DI to have the same speed as Ken:* Ryu's DI is too slow and the animation is very readable. At least, improve this by making it match Ken's DI speed.
That's it. I think all the above ideas for improvement are not only more than viable, they are completely fair considering the things the current A-Tier and above characters can do in the game.
So far, 5 of my ideas made it to the last Balance patch, including the Wake Up Drive Reversal that I communicated back in last year July. It would be wonderful if Ryu could be improved with the above ideas. Who knows, we'll see.
my additional ideas:
All denjin charge bonuses also apply to punch normals (and do not expend it).
Denjin moves drain additional drive on hit and block for all moves it affects
Denjin SA1 and Denjin SA2 can guard break just like Drive Impact
Ryu is already A-tier. Probably better or on par with Ken now. HYou say he lacks the ability to compete at close up combat? No, he EXCELS there with his degenerate Hashogeki and other plus frames.
Watch MDZ Jimmy play Ryu. Close up combat is not a weakness for Ryu.
@@Un1234l Thank you for keeping your post civil!
You are incorrect or rather I have to disagree with you, my friend. More or less everyone has already said that out of the 3 shotos, the order of greatness is Ken < Akuma < Ryu. Ryu's new buffs definitely helped in a lot but he still definitely is not there yet. . Ryu is not A-Tier character yet, he is a B-tier character. Ken is still surpasses Ryu and in terms of tournament results the stats speaks for themselves. Have you seen the latest EWC TOurnament results? There were a total of 151 qualified entries. Though it includes players that used more than 1 character, the Top 50 slots had 9 Kens, 4 Lukes, 8 Akumas, 4 Zangiefs, 3 Rashid, 4 Chun Lis, 7 Guiles, 2 Dhalsims, 3 Juris, 3 Cammy, 2 Blankas, 4 Deejays, 4 Eds, 2 Jamies, 2 Marisas, and 1 JP. There were no Ryus in the Top 50 at all. This is almost S1 all over again but the upper deck have three new cards being Akuma, Zangief and Aki.
Glad you mentioned Jimmy. I watch him the majority of the time. If Jimmy is using Ryu against an opponent on the same skill level as himself, you will hardly ever ever see him in an up close and person move exchange battle if that opponent is using a high tier character. Never. The only time you'll ever see Jimmy in a move exchange up close and person battle is when he knows he has the opponent handled due to skill level difference, and he is up against a character that he know he can do move exchanges upon such as Dhalsim and Lily. You will not see Jimmy going and sticking hard in exchanges against the likes of Ed, Luke, Chun Li, Cammy, Deejay, Zangief, Jamie, Juri, Rashid, and Akuma for the changes of Ryu losing that exchange and suffering a long combo would be very high. What you'll definitely see him doing is using up close offense on OKi & Corner Punish only. Also note that if a high tier opponent starts blocking an offense combo on Oki, note that Jimmy, like other top Ryu players, will move to a routine "back off" sequence in effort to "push position" Ryu back to zoning distance where he fares better.
@@MansMan42069 "Denjin moves drain additional drive on hit and block for all moves it affects"
I think that idea is 100% reasonable!
"Denjin SA1 and Denjin SA2 can guard break just like Drive Impact"
This one great because it means you can now use Ryu's super strategically as oppose from just an ender. Excellent idea!
He's "good" for online play, if you want to win a tournament you play Akuma / Rashid.
he's good offline or online but those big players only pick Ken because it's a lot of work to re-learn how to be effective with Ryu.
That's why Tokido didn't switch to Akuma.
I thought ken wasnt top 3 anymore 😂
@@kakkoishonen Ryu has been out long enough. IF Tokido thinks Ryu is a good viable option we would have seen him touch Ryu in training mode. Unfortunately, he didn't bother with Ryu once because he doesn't think Ryu is good enough. Daigo the same and yet different. He DID touched Ryu and even got him to LEgend Rank, but Daigo still preferred Ken let alone Akuma which he is sticking to now. Sadly, Ryu, no matter people like it or not, is still not a good option for competitions. You do definitely have a much better chance than S1 though, but it will won't be enough and Paladin and EndingWalker are proof as they are currently the best SF6 Ryu players around right now.
You say akuma Rashid.... But in the biggest three tourneys so far one two were won by a Rashid... But the third one was won by a Ken.
@@DKarkarov I think you have to account not just who won but also the number of placements at the top. The last big tournament was the EWC Championship and in the Top 50 we had 8 Akumas, 9 Kens and 4 Rashid (full top 50, including players that used two characters to switch when needed, was 9 Kens, 4 Lukes, 8 Akumas, 4 Zangiefs, 3 Rashid, 4 Chun Lis, 7 Guiles, 2 Dhalsims, 3 Juris, 3 Cammy, 2 Blankas, 4 Deejays, 4 Eds, 2 Jamies, 2 Marisas, and 1 JP). That alone is extremely telling that Akuma is right up there at the top. For Ryu to have a hope in hell, he needs to at least be the same level as Ken or higher. It's such a shame that only you, me and some people here in this comments section realise this. Beyond us are sadly the people that don't know anything and they prove it by saying Ryu is fine due to his Hashogeki and Damage level.
hes good, but if you invest your time in ryu is kinda bad compared to akuma
It's weird to say that, what does Akuma have over Ryu? Demon Flip vs Donkey Kick. Is Demon Flip that broken? It will be no time till ppl DP or DI all demon flip attempts. Sure DI is beaten by canceling Demon Flip, but DP still beats it.
So what's left?
Driverush? They have similar drive rush speeds, both considered slow. Ken is better than both of them at this.
Damage? Ryu hits like a truck.
Plus frames? Ryu is better at enforcing plus frames as well. He has more sources of plus frames, 6HP and Hashogeki.
Buttons? Ryu has arguably better buttons, 5HP has more range than Akuma 5HP for example.
Drive gauge chip? Ryu is better at that as well.
Fireballs? As far as I know Akuma's fireballs recover 1 frame faster and ofc he can charge, he also has air fireball but it's risky, it can be DPed or even air to aired. But Ryu has Denjin charge and you can hold the charge now and use it when you want which is a huge buff. Which is better? Denjin is at least comparable imo.
The only clear thing that Akuma has and Ryu doesn't is Raging Demon setups. But he has those over all the rest of the cast. Are they that strong? I don't know. How long till pros start jumping pre emptively. Imo Raging Demon setups will get less and less strong with time. Of course up to a point as it's still a 50 50 situation in the end. But you will see more people spamming supers/dp or jumping when they think the setup will come.
My conclusion is I can't really find a clear thing that makes Akuma better than Ryu in this patch.
@@exorder2005From what Tokido mentioned on Ken fundamental, practically what you said. But from what Daigo performed on Akuma fireball, he can often do a fireball clash combo into tatsu corner carry, or air fireball combo into tatsu corner carry. If Ryu want to combo off fireball clash, he either need to use SA1 or Ryu need to be already in corner, so Ryu fireball clash combo is the weakest, sorry to say. Even Ken is better on fireball clash combo than Ryu, just not as many option as Akuma but Ken has 2mk drive rush corner carry combo so that just makes Akuma a fireball corner carry character while Ken a 2mk corner carry character.
What’s funny is that I feel Akuma is actually kinda average. Ken still feels like the better shoot. Ryu the all rounder, Akuma just an all rounder with more tools which he can play aggressive if he wants, and Ken is the aggressive shoto with a great toolkit. I think they were trying to make Akuma good in this good but not “good” know what I mean. Like for example, I swear Ex air fireball plus frames are really ass, u might as well go with the normal ones which doesn’t make sense.
@@user-bv3ok2re3s Makes sense, I guess Akuma has that over Ryu.
@@exorder2005 and yet no one uses ryu and more people use akuma lmao.
he is coping so hard its insane
Bro thought ryu is " that " good. I bet some ryu washed him so hard 😂😂😂
This is Momochi, not Mago.😵💫
is this racism?
@cnacu6o. This is Mago dude lmao 😂
Ryu is still lacking a lot that he used to have. His fireball game is not that great. He needs that back he's literally the guy who is known for fireballs in fighting games. I'd know, I've been maining him since 5
That parry system nerfed Ryus fireball game so hard. Ryus fireballs are still good but not in sf6 sadly.
This isn't mago, it´s momochi
Dude, this is not Momochi. This is Mago 😂 did you even watch the video?
You still have time to delete this 👍
You made my day xD
My guy, you even edited it, and it’s still wrong 😂
SMH