Locksmithing 101 | Re-keying locks? Don't make this mistake!

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  • Опубліковано 27 гру 2024

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  • @mrjaybennett80
    @mrjaybennett80 Рік тому +4

    I have never in life rekeyed anything, I watched this one time and understood the entire process. There is a guy here that is charging people to do this as if anyone has time to mail their locks to this guy and wait for it to come back. He also makes it seem like you must replace the wagers which you don’t. Thank you my man you are awesome

    • @danthelambboy
      @danthelambboy 24 дні тому

      You should be replacing pins, due to pin wear it could make it that your master key system does not work, sometimes new springs are needed also. Sometimes a replacement cylinder is needed also as the holes widen over time and sometimes that means the smallest pins get jammed

  • @societyofprofessionallocks2308
    @societyofprofessionallocks2308 4 роки тому +21

    You missed checking the bottom pin to top pin sizing for each pin cell or chamber. When rekeying cylinders like Sargent and Schlage you must consider Pin Stack Height to prevent spring compression. If you replace a low bitting or smaller pin with a longer or deeper one without replacing the top pin the spring may crush when you insert your change key and may even trap the key. The performance of the cylinder may suffer due to "Key Insertion Pressure". If you apply the same considerations when replacing larger bottom pins with smaller you would have less spring pressure, etc. The CLK pin kit chart shown in the video shows the correct size top pins for each bottom pin. Be sure to check it out and use it when needed. Make another video explaining this and keep up these amazing and well constructed Five Star educational videos! You're a winner PJ!

    • @rogerhupp3115
      @rogerhupp3115 2 роки тому +1

      Made this exact mistake before. Luckily I was able to get the key out and once I dumped the top pins, I realized my mistake.

  • @TexasFire
    @TexasFire 2 роки тому +29

    I always check for master pins even in residential. Some builders use contractor keyed locks that contain master pins. On older homes it may have been a rental at some time that was masterkeyed. Never hurts to check every lock, every time. I find it doesn't take much time and I find master pins in locks where you would never expect them. #lockboss

    • @DavidLindes
      @DavidLindes Рік тому +2

      I'm planning to master-pin my house... So, yeah. :)
      (The house is technically a duplex, and while I'm currently just using it as a big house, I want to have keys that only open one unit or the other, in addition to a master key for everything, so... yeah, that's the plan. :) )

  • @lockWK-ij4vu
    @lockWK-ij4vu 4 роки тому +15

    I have this master pin follower it's nice and all, but just don't trust it. I find it faster to just dump the cylinder on a pinning mat then to check the chambers individually. It also gives you better look at the springs and wear on the top pins in older locks. Also you can check the uper chambers for wear.

  • @aperson9495
    @aperson9495 2 роки тому +9

    With that Pro-Lok follower, be careful of the engraving on the low area. I ran into the top pins binding in the engraving and had a heck of a time getting it to release them.

  • @daviddaly9232
    @daviddaly9232 4 роки тому +3

    I use the master pin follower for every lock I re-key....without fail for the reasons you stated in the video.

    • @cdmcfall
      @cdmcfall 3 роки тому

      Got to keep a lookout for the rare master pin that exceeds .100" though.

  • @darrylparrish6805
    @darrylparrish6805 Рік тому +1

    I like the Pro Lock LT. 370 , didn't know about this tool.
    Thanks

  • @curley6531
    @curley6531 4 роки тому +2

    cj, great video! i actually use same version of prolok follower.
    it makes it so much easier. like how you showed everybody the correct way of using!

  • @ahungryzygote
    @ahungryzygote Рік тому

    That tool will come greatly in handy thanks!

  • @VaughnKeaton
    @VaughnKeaton 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for that valuable Info. I have to get that tool Vaughn BK Locks

  • @jamesperry6536
    @jamesperry6536 2 роки тому +1

    I just bought the master key followed. The follower should have been made with a ramp on the top front so it can be removed out the back of the lock cylinder without trapping the longer top pins after the master pins are removed. Sometimes it can’t be rotated to remove the follower from the lock cylinder. Try it. Jim

  • @andrechristopher4338
    @andrechristopher4338 Рік тому

    That's was a awesome tool the lck. I'm trying to get those pins out but don't have the best tool. Thank You for sharing and showing.
    Andre C.

  • @Pyrolock
    @Pyrolock 4 роки тому +1

    I use the HPC TPIN-2 Top Pin Loader after letting all the drivers and springs fly out by just pulling out the plug without a follower (check to make sure all springs are out)-- Load up the HPC Top Pin Loader with new springs & proper size drivers. Then I know I've loaded new springs with the proper length drivers. A fast way to load springs & drivers (as long as you are aware to use the correct drivers in relation to the key pins / key bitting). A bit of a pain, but works for me
    ALSO the Keedex "EZ LOAD" is a great tool for doing chambers one at a time -- simple & fast.

  • @DarkEmpathy187
    @DarkEmpathy187 2 роки тому +3

    Not only for the cross keying scenario, but sometimes the key itself won't release. Which is a tell tale sign that a larger master pin is in the cylinder that the follow through tube didn't get.

  • @kenchilton
    @kenchilton 2 роки тому +2

    If I suspect master pins, I just let the guts spill on the table. After this, I clean the cylinder, which it often needs, and put each spring and driver back in with tweezers. I have found a lot of messed up springs doing it this way, and feel better about having a fully clean, inspected, and lubricated mechanism before it goes back to work for my tenants.

  • @wallywrench9844
    @wallywrench9844 Рік тому

    Shove the tweezers in three deep drop the masters and repeat on the rear of cylinder. Favorite plug follower is what learned on HPC hollow brass follower. Still using the same plug follower from 1998 and on my 4 shim.

  • @derekbroestler7687
    @derekbroestler7687 4 роки тому +6

    Definitely not checking for top pins, ALWAYS check, even if the customer tells you it's NOT masterkeyed....
    Also, because you said "assuming it's a large office building job", but even if it's just a multi door residential... another thing I'd like to bring up... label the cylinders... (I use sharpie on the back) that way everything goes back where it was... A lot of times, especially if you're dealing with older or "well used but still functional" hardware, doors that have settled, etc... putting the exact cylinder back in the exact same locks can save some time.... It's one of those things that "IN THEORY" shouldn't make a difference, but you add a few years of heavy use, and even if the cylinder's still good, it can be a time saver.

    • @DarkEmpathy187
      @DarkEmpathy187 2 роки тому +1

      Yep, I learned the hard way on rekeying a movie theater, by myself, years ago. On larger jobs, ALWAYS MARK and put the same cylinders back on the doors/locks they came from. Some of the KIK cylinders were modified and I hadn't noticed. Took me an extra 30-45 min. to find out where they were supposed to go. #LessonLearned

  • @RUSHCOW12332
    @RUSHCOW12332 7 місяців тому

    How long has this tool been around? Will this model work on Schlage "C" cylinders?

  • @toycoma98
    @toycoma98 19 днів тому

    Hello, what are master pins and what do they do? I'm just new hobby lock picker, not a locksmith.

  • @dps5707
    @dps5707 5 місяців тому

    As a new lock smither, that tool is nice

  • @jimsutton4456
    @jimsutton4456 11 місяців тому

    Can a 6-pin key fit into a 5-pin cylinder. if that's what's provided in a rekey kit?

  • @themechanic4222
    @themechanic4222 3 місяці тому

    So they key still works or no ?

  • @kenhoggard7044
    @kenhoggard7044 4 роки тому +2

    Man I've got to get one of those! That would have saved sooo much time.

  • @chriswalter2971
    @chriswalter2971 4 роки тому +7

    I've had issues trying to spin it back when security pins are present

    • @clksupplies
      @clksupplies  4 роки тому

      Hi Chris, I will have to put some security pins in and try it! Do you find the problem with Spool, Serrated, or both? -PJ

    • @chriswalter2971
      @chriswalter2971 4 роки тому

      @@clksupplies I've only tried it with spool pins never tried it with serrated as I'm usually rekeying Schlage OEM locks that have come with the spool pins already in them

    • @chriswalter2971
      @chriswalter2971 4 роки тому

      But honestly if I'm re-keying a lock that has been on a building for quite a while I usually put new Springs and top pins in any way since I'm already out there

    • @thelockpickinglebowski633
      @thelockpickinglebowski633 4 роки тому +1

      @@chriswalter2971 Yeah, I dump all chambers and when I'm finished I'll know exactly what's in there. But I use the Keedex EZ loader: www.clksupplies.com/products/keedex-ez-load-quick-drive-spring-loading-tool

    • @wattvoltamp
      @wattvoltamp 4 роки тому +1

      I had the same problem

  • @matsteele6437
    @matsteele6437 3 роки тому +1

    I tend to drop all top pins out for any commercial building rekey. I can check for master pins, check correct length top pins and that the springs are still good. Also provides a chance for me to upsell the client to spool or security pins for future pick resistance

  • @mikes3137
    @mikes3137 3 роки тому

    What do you when it comes to using the follower for master pins and there spool pins ? Usually the spool pins 2 or 3 get caught and have to start a whole new Rekeying of lock including spring and top pins ... any suggestions 🤔

  • @classic287
    @classic287 3 роки тому

    Great video. I never got into it this deep. I didn't know about those master pins. I never ran into them before. Is it storefront locks that have that?
    So what are they for anyway?
    Thanks 👍

    • @clksupplies
      @clksupplies  3 роки тому

      All locks can have master pins in them. Master pins are used for master keying (more than 1 key fits the lock)

    • @rmsg7504
      @rmsg7504 2 роки тому

      you will see them in any lock on anything: business, house, rental, small, large etc etc. Always check for master pins

  • @SaltyBob355
    @SaltyBob355 3 роки тому

    Brilliant bro! I won’t do this, but handy to ask my locksmith if he’s checking for those on my house. Idk if it’s standard practice to use master pins on a house, but nice to know!

    • @RolandsDad
      @RolandsDad 3 роки тому

      It is not. You may come across "contractor keys" which function on a similar principle but only for one use. (There is a small pocket which holds the function physically after the first use). This is wildly uncommon to be utilized in my experience.

  • @stuartfuller6089
    @stuartfuller6089 Рік тому

    Keedex master pin follower is my favorite.

  • @rayspianohymns
    @rayspianohymns Рік тому

    Good job 👍👍

  • @UriGitano
    @UriGitano 10 місяців тому

    What's the name of this tool please?

  • @yrtuag
    @yrtuag 4 роки тому +2

    I have the master pin follower, purchase it from CLK Supplies 👍😎🤠🇺🇸

  • @danielsfbay
    @danielsfbay 3 місяці тому

    Some locksmiths will supplement schlage driver pins with master pins (sometimes even shorter than the smallest driver pin). It's very possible to find that the follower "misses" a master pin in a chamber that has a master pin being used as a driver.
    Try it out for yourself. Load a spring, then use an 8 master as your driver, pin up say 0 bottom, 4 master and a 2. Insert the plug. Take a 0 cut, rotate the plug to pick up the 0 and drive the masters into the bible. Now try clearing everything using that master pin follower. You'll likely clear out the 2, but not the 4. This happens because the shear line of the driver where it meets the 4 is higher than the plugs shear line.
    Of course you could just insert a 6 cut to pick up everything and clear them out that way, but that 8 master is going to be a problem for someone.

  • @wallywrench9844
    @wallywrench9844 Рік тому

    I check every cylinder being re-keyed for top pins, master, and springs. Have had new locks missing springs and or top pins. Also can check for to short or worn springs and stuck top pins. Takes like 3-5 seconds to check everything.

  • @jeffmoss26
    @jeffmoss26 4 роки тому

    I just do it manually, but I do have a Keedex follower that is quite nice for demastering.

  • @robertpotter8341
    @robertpotter8341 2 роки тому

    very good job

  • @carllewis2207
    @carllewis2207 4 роки тому

    Very nice tool!

  • @ken_9359
    @ken_9359 Рік тому

    After awhile I just started dumping everything out. Top pins and springs just to check everything out. Did this when master keying a building. Don't want any extra master pins slipping in there.

  • @JosephPadamonsky
    @JosephPadamonsky 7 місяців тому

    great tool b ut what about adding security pins #lockboss

  • @PalmdaleGal
    @PalmdaleGal 4 роки тому +1

    I'm just a "commoner", but am researching rekeying new tenant locks on a private house I own. What is a "master pin"???

    • @serversurfer6169
      @serversurfer6169 3 роки тому

      It’s a set of pins that ride on top of the normal pins, allowing the lock to also be opened by a second, “master” key, usually controlled by the landlord and/or superintendents. CLK has some stuff on master key setups that you can watch. Good luck! ✊🤓💜 ua-cam.com/video/sdSlkxDmjjw/v-deo.html

    • @PalmdaleGal
      @PalmdaleGal 3 роки тому +1

      @@serversurfer6169- Thanks!

  • @billinphoenix255
    @billinphoenix255 4 роки тому

    Large Commercial bldg., I put all pins in order in a pin tray and try to call the bldg owner to ask if this still needs to be on the master. If yes I can usually decode for the master, some owners have keying charts to obtain a new change key bitting. If charts are not available you can look at other keys, possibly in a key cabinet to see what key cuts have been used and what other cuts can be used without interchange, THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY !

  • @reggiepotts3437
    @reggiepotts3437 Місяць тому

    good job

  • @ramonduenas6463
    @ramonduenas6463 Рік тому

    I like to use the special tool for the master pins

  • @2815Juan
    @2815Juan 4 роки тому

    I’ve had that follower. But a few years ago switched to the Keedex. Seems smoother for me

  • @daviddaly9232
    @daviddaly9232 3 роки тому

    I use the Pro-lok follower every time!

  • @pasqualeparente9776
    @pasqualeparente9776 3 роки тому

    I know my question may not be on subject, but I am trying to understand why a key for an apartment entrance comes out in any position. Does not have to be returned to the lock position to remove key.

    • @cdmcfall
      @cdmcfall 3 роки тому

      For keys to operate, they physically move pins to a shear line that allows the plug to rotate. The pins have to be able to move past the shear line as the teeth pass underneath (when the key is inserted or removed) until the pins eventually settle into the appropriate notch. If the pins have nowhere to go (i.e. the plug is turned and they're hitting the inside of the housing), the key becomes locked in place. So there are only two ways for that to happen:
      1. The key is flat and all the bottom pins are the same length (like a setup key with all #9 pins, or a key blank with all #0 pins).
      2. There are no pins are all. If that's the case, then anything that can fit into the keyway can unlock the door. Have you tried locking and unlocking with a screwdriver?

  • @adammfanning3654
    @adammfanning3654 3 роки тому

    I have a need for one for sure.

  • @raymondrouthier3920
    @raymondrouthier3920 3 роки тому

    Nice job

  • @marcelholman7959
    @marcelholman7959 8 місяців тому

    Love the right tool

  • @williamc2553
    @williamc2553 4 роки тому +3

    From my experience, I found its always best to check top pins manually. Yes this would be a time saver IF the lock hasn't been rekeyed by an idiot that put too small of top pins in. But in locks with constant use, you can also check easier for spring fatigue. Just a matter of preference, I suppose.

    • @cdmcfall
      @cdmcfall 3 роки тому +2

      Considering that the shortest top pin in the Schlage cores we use is .165" and the recess area of the follower is .100", we've never had any issue losing top pins. The only potential problem is with master pins #7-9, all of which are longer than .100", but we have only a few cores that require a #8 master pin. Fair point about the springs though.

    • @rmsg7504
      @rmsg7504 2 роки тому

      I have never found a spring fatigued LOL! I have found springs that get sucked into the pin chamber when the top pin is missing and it gets into the pin chambers everywhere. I think "pin fatigue" is a way for Big Spring industry to sell springs.

  • @groverthetoecutter7874
    @groverthetoecutter7874 3 роки тому

    Definitely have to get that

  • @LeftyLockpick
    @LeftyLockpick 5 місяців тому

    Wouldn't you want it still master pinned or are you re-keying to a single key system for the client

    • @clksupplies
      @clksupplies  5 місяців тому

      Really just making sure master pins are not the cylinder that I don’t want -PJ

  • @rmsg7504
    @rmsg7504 2 роки тому

    Yeah try that with an F series, the top pins come out too regardless of the special follower. ON the plus side, I like the technique with the tweezers. Surprisingly I never thought of that although I might try it with a screwdriver instead.

  • @josephleonard7880
    @josephleonard7880 3 роки тому

    That is good video I have ru into this myself I wish I known about this video before I did the Job

  • @tweakmode808
    @tweakmode808 7 місяців тому

    I definitely need to order extra parts. I always tend to lose parts but luckily I tend to hoard old locks that I have something to figure it out but would be nice to have organized parts #lockboss

  • @ciaranprim1329
    @ciaranprim1329 Місяць тому

    This man didn’t blink one time 😂

  • @JC_Pinos
    @JC_Pinos 4 роки тому

    Nice tool..

  • @da_notorious_l.i.z
    @da_notorious_l.i.z 3 роки тому

    what if you don't have the key? can you rekey it

    • @clksupplies
      @clksupplies  3 роки тому

      Yes-PJ

    • @pouncerminned863
      @pouncerminned863 3 роки тому

      You can use a shim, but the core must be out first. If you mean if door is locked and closed you must pick the lock open or somehow have access to inside part of door to remove the core. Then pick or shim the core in order to turn the cylinder so you can remove it so you can rekey it

  • @ericritchey9331
    @ericritchey9331 2 роки тому

    I'd like to have that tool

  • @LockpickingsGal
    @LockpickingsGal 4 роки тому

    I never would’ve thought about the master pins. Do you have to worry about the springs when you it back together? Awesome video!! #lockboss

    • @clksupplies
      @clksupplies  4 роки тому +1

      Typically not unless something does not feel right-PJ

    • @LockpickingsGal
      @LockpickingsGal 4 роки тому

      @@clksupplies do you have any tips on rekeying a lock or padlock with a crimped core?

  • @SCROOGE96
    @SCROOGE96 3 роки тому

    That was helpingful

  • @A_90210
    @A_90210 2 роки тому

    Help I inserted the wrong pin and now it won't turn.

  • @williammurrayphotography
    @williammurrayphotography 4 роки тому +2

    If the cylinder has spool pins it is almost always a rebuild. PJ design a new follower that fixes that and make that $$.

    • @clksupplies
      @clksupplies  4 роки тому +2

      William, Now we're talkin! haha- PJ

  • @ooulalah4333
    @ooulalah4333 2 роки тому

    Why not open the back side?

  • @stellarkeysmn
    @stellarkeysmn 2 роки тому

    Nice

  • @scottsnyder8931
    @scottsnyder8931 3 роки тому

    I just bought one. New to this but getting very interested in doing the master locking. Great info. #lockboss

  • @donaldmacnair5377
    @donaldmacnair5377 4 роки тому

    Always check for master pins #BOSS LOCK

  • @thestephens51
    @thestephens51 3 роки тому

    Haven't tried teasers yet had trouble with the other but now watching video I think I'll be ok with it. #Lockboss

  • @haroldbrooks8764
    @haroldbrooks8764 3 роки тому

    what happen if you rekey and forget about the master pin

    • @clksupplies
      @clksupplies  3 роки тому

      Other keys could fit the lock-PJ

    • @oglerdeleon9494
      @oglerdeleon9494 3 роки тому

      Not really after watching the video i came up with a sequence to rekey a core and i didn't remove those master pins and tried multiple keys didn't open the door. Just master key that i reeked. But pj could be right

  • @maximumwoof8662
    @maximumwoof8662 3 роки тому +1

    not only that, yo! don't forget to check the height of the driver pins to make sure you don't collapse the springs, and to be the most pick resistant that a standard cylinder can be (without factoring in spool drivers, etc...) or else, why would original brand manufacturers do that which i outlined above ? there must be something they know that is not mentioned in your videos...

    • @pouncerminned863
      @pouncerminned863 3 роки тому

      Sorry for my ignorance, but how do you determine best top pin size? I have noticed there are different sizes. Why would one go with a larger or smaller one and in which situation would you go with one or other?

  • @Aepek
    @Aepek 3 роки тому

    Master Pin Follower for sure; but; as you probably did at some point….learning to use “tweezers” a d do other way can be important, but having a Master Pin Follower is definitely easier as saves so much time👍🏻

  • @danturner3904
    @danturner3904 2 роки тому

    #lockboss.great info

  • @brandtanderson930
    @brandtanderson930 3 роки тому

    I have/use the keedex master follower but prolok looks to be of high quality also...#lockboss

  • @naeemmajbor8842
    @naeemmajbor8842 Рік тому

    seem work 🎉🎉🎉

  • @changclifton786
    @changclifton786 6 місяців тому

    I prefer Keedex!

  • @Sanxioned1
    @Sanxioned1 4 роки тому

    Does this kind of lock not have a c-clip either? That's what I thought the mistake was at first lol!

    • @clksupplies
      @clksupplies  4 роки тому +1

      Mortise and Rim Cylinders typically use the screw on cap! -PJ

  • @vernondollhopf3249
    @vernondollhopf3249 4 роки тому +1

    I always check all my locks that I rekey for the master pins and check condition of the pins. #lockboss

  • @wesleymccravy901
    @wesleymccravy901 Рік тому

    How do you not blink dude? How?

  • @Warvvolf
    @Warvvolf Рік тому

    I was more concerned that you didn't screw the tail piece back on.

  • @cardmancalvin549
    @cardmancalvin549 4 місяці тому

    Love the 370 yes

  • @doorandlocktips
    @doorandlocktips 2 роки тому +1

    I like that tool so much I bought one from you #Lockboss

  • @mikeg298
    @mikeg298 3 роки тому

    I do a building that had master system. I bought a special follower to chec for left in masters#lockbox!

  • @lmars5933
    @lmars5933 4 роки тому

    I was going too say you didn't check the top lol .😎

  • @jackarmer8560
    @jackarmer8560 4 роки тому

    I use the Po Lock

  • @joeyserna8930
    @joeyserna8930 2 роки тому +1

    Is it me or did this guy not blink his eyes thruout the whole video!! Or most of the video??

  • @hadablockers
    @hadablockers 2 роки тому

    Why would you just take them out, aren't they there for the fire dept to have a copy?????? Or the property manager or someone???

    • @EpicToadRage
      @EpicToadRage Рік тому

      If you rekey a lock, and don't know the master pins are in there, you make it so they don't work anymore.

  • @raymondrouthier3920
    @raymondrouthier3920 3 роки тому

    Forgot to check masters

  • @raymondrouthier3920
    @raymondrouthier3920 3 роки тому

    Hello from servicepro1 Ottawa Ontario Canada

  • @jackiemckenzie4200
    @jackiemckenzie4200 2 роки тому

    I was thinking it was the master pin. #LB

  • @johnevans6399
    @johnevans6399 3 роки тому

    You missed the door!!

  • @johncastagno6920
    @johncastagno6920 3 роки тому

    Going to have to get one asap. #lockboss

  • @kevin.gadgeteastman7531
    @kevin.gadgeteastman7531 4 роки тому

    As I’m getting into Lock Smithing I was doing it the hard way stumbled across this video and it was a no brainer ordered it in and not going back to the old way unless I absolutely have to🤘👍🏻😜 I love me so new tools #lockboss

    • @clksupplies
      @clksupplies  4 роки тому

      Yes! Such simple tools are game changers! -PJ

  • @mouteo3223
    @mouteo3223 3 роки тому

    WHY ARENT YOU BLINKING

    • @clksupplies
      @clksupplies  3 роки тому +1

      Forgot to?

    • @mouteo3223
      @mouteo3223 3 роки тому

      @@clksupplies FAIR ENOUGH FANTASTIC PRODUCT THOUGH. IVE HAD IT FOR MONTHS AND HAVE USED IT JUST ON PAR WITH MY REGULAR FOLLOWER

    • @clksupplies
      @clksupplies  3 роки тому

      Awesome!-PJ

  • @sircampbell1249
    @sircampbell1249 2 роки тому

    Just reload the top..

  • @buz375
    @buz375 3 роки тому

    I got the follower that dumps them out. #lockboss

  • @timbutler5690
    @timbutler5690 4 роки тому +1

    Pro lock

  • @jimgrathoff9944
    @jimgrathoff9944 4 роки тому

    I find it easier to use the tweezers. If the lock is worn no master is needed I sometimes use bottom pins point down. As top pins. Also
    Works if the change key and master
    Are to close. In other word less the .030

  • @buz375
    @buz375 3 роки тому

    I use mine all the time #lockboss

  • @rhon3181
    @rhon3181 3 роки тому

    Using the tool is better.

  • @pauleyedwin6056
    @pauleyedwin6056 5 місяців тому

    #Lockboss.