AVFC Business Special | Chris Heck Commercial Revelations | The Holy Trinity Show | Episode 154
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- There has never been as much off-field activity at Aston Villa as there is right now. Having undergone 6 months of evaluation President of Business Operations Chris Heck is now in implementation mode with his newly assembled team. Pete the Canadian Villa fanatic, (who is as fascinated with the off-field stuff as the on-field action) sifts through the many TASTY NUGGETS revealed during a recent club video and Times article. Between the club crest, the new kit deal, a potential documentary series and the North Stand redevelopment project, we get clues about the club's direction over the coming years. Can Villa's on-field ambition be matched by the commercial endeavours off it? Pour yourself something fine, and maybe that question will become clearer!
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I was in awe of their plans for a redeveloped North Stand and I will never forgive them if they scrapped it to move us out of our iconic, beautiful, spiritual home: the majestic Villa Park.
Aston isn't a safe place on non match days. I was set upon by a gang when I was younger on my first trip to the club shop. I've been followed and racially abused in recent times too. It's not a good place to visit when the locals are so hostile. It's not me being a gammin either, some of my best days were when I lived in Handsworth.
Villa Park is a grand cathedral of a football stadium but there's not much room for expansion because it's in such a built up area. It would be a sad day if we leave but I am for it. Just look at what Tottenhams new stadium has done for their revenue. If we can surpass the NEC for facilities, improve transport connections along with an increased capacity it would be a massive boon to our coffers.
If we redeveloped the North Stand and increased capacity to 50000 I can't see how we can expand any further in the future.
I'm fine with staying at our grand old stadium but I wouldn't be against a new stadium being developed elsewhere, I'd be quite excited and optimistic in fact.
@@19822andy after north stand is completed you knock down the Doug Ellis you can get VILLA park to 60000 .safety my friend was mugged 2 mins from spurs so nowhere is safe 100%.
@@jkmcgregor7797 I'll admit I'm unlucky when I go into Aston on non match daya. Being white really doesn't help which is strange because I've lived in ethnically diverse areas before and loved it. We could redevelop half the ground but we were told of a whole entertainment area. Where the hell will that go?
Not against staying but I would be excited for moving.
@@19822andy about the entertainment Aston park over the rd could be used towards the holte pub with a non permanent structure like Qatar uses during the world cup birmingham city council would love an increase in funds if they let Villa use a part of the park.i will never go to another home game if they relocate .The club is called Aston Villa .Aston only became part of Brum in the 1920s .
@@jkmcgregor7797 I respect your opinion mate and you have good ideas. I'd be happy if they were implemented. I'm just a fan that's not against leaving Villa Park and having a new, Victorian Cathedral style new stadium a couple of miles out. Sometimes you have to sacrifice a tradition to really motor forward.
I'd also be happy if JJ left to go to Newcastle for 50 million too 🤣🤣🤣. I'm not sure we will see eye to eye on that one either.
They must NEVER EVER move away from the Iconic Villa Park. If they can not make It bigger then LEAVE IT ALONE
As a Liverpool fan I would trade away half our trophies if it meant not moving out of Anfield.
Moving stadiums is a terrible idea.
We would lose our soul, we'd lose our history and we'd (unbiasedly) lose the most beautiful ground in the Premier League.
There are things that we can do to increase capacity - like the original North stand redevelopment and that will work.
I'm sorry but moving stadiums from Villa Park is an absolute no go and I would never forgive them if they did that.
Where would we even go? To some bland open space in Solihull or somewhere that isn't even in Birmingham?
There is no room to do it anywhere else in the city.
If moving stadiums is what they want then they can leave.
Move the stadium??....gulp, that's hard to swallow.
I don’t want a new stadium, i want the history and the location of Villa Park. I think there are other additions they can make to increase capacity, like in the corners. Access is another issue but that is something city planners to work out
We have to protect our history and heritage, and make sure the fans feel part of the future .
Moving from Villa Park , would be the end of my 60 Yr tenure at Villa , and I'm sure I'm not on my own on that point .
It's not all about the money , yet it seems that's all people want to talk about .
Invest in the team , invest in the stadium, and more importantly invest in the fans , without them we are nothing . UTMV😉
If staying at our majestic Villa Park shrine, with its incredibly rich history, means not playing with the big plastic boys...
let's not play with the big plastic boys.
The Euro minimum capacity comment, Pete, is I think incorrect. There will be a stadium in Belfast with barely 35,000, Hampden in Glasgow is 44,000. I believe the requirements for the ten grounds are
1 stadium with 60,000 seats
1 stadium (preferably 2) with 50,000 seats
4 stadiums with 40,000 seats
3 stadiums with 30,000 seats.
It may mean that Villa Park only has group games, but it won't be replaced. The UK and Ireland are way over the minimums.
The north stand could be made even bigger then the holt the room us thete why only build a stand for a extra 8000 tickets when you could build something bigger. For not so much more .
there wasn't a question on the survey, simply asking wich is your favorite badge from villa's past or the other team's. id have chosen villa's original badge, Tottenham, Liverpool, all without shields, just the emblem
I’m a bit torn on any talks of building a new stadium - yes, more seats/more revenue but new stadiums are totally soulless - especially when they name the stadium after their sponsor. I think pausing on the north stand rebuild was probably a good decision. The area can’t accommodate the crowds as is, adding more people would be a disaster. I went to a game in October - raced to Witton right when the game ended and still had to wait like 50 minutes for a train (The last game I went to was 10 years prior and I definitely don’t recall waiting that long). All this talk of Heck catering to “plastic” fans is such bs…. Birmingham isn’t exactly a must see spot on the tourist trail in England. Only true fans will travel to see a game. It’s super expensive for overseas folks to get to Birmingham … at least Manchester and London have cheap and frequent flights.
Another great show Pete. UTV
I'm not saying that English Football isn't about money because that would be ridiculous..BUT it's much more cultural than commercial compared to many US sports are. It's a big boat to turn around in that area. And I don't think the English fanbase on the whole is ready for the kinda of "heritage games" and other such enterprises which many will just view as a gimmick right off the bat.
Live lions in the entrance tunnel - oh heck 😳 RooooaaaaRRRRRR 🦁 😂
37, didnt get into football till i was 34/35. but been villa all my life due to brother and father. And i have an attachment to the old badge. the new one just doesnt jump out to me on the page when im looking for villa in a list. I miss the old badge kind of. The new one does look smart, better, more of a heritage feeling BUT... thats not what marketing is about, and the old badge stands out from the others WAY more and i miss it
I don't often disagree with this show, never on sporting matters Pete, but the purpose of all businesses cannot be just to make money. I don't actually want to support the next big 6 club, the idea of commercialisation of the nostalgia and history of English football repulses me. I want to support a club that is fan-led, sporting success to me is secondary to that.
Exactly this. Its becoming worse and worse every year, we're just very fortunate to be where we are in the table and a chance at CL
Fucking hate this corporate bull shit ruining every aspect of life atm
While making money may not be the only reason for existence, a business can't afford to lose money either.
Well said! Bravo.
Your point were spot on Pete! Some people will agree and some won't but all I know is AV ownership need to make smart, long term business decisions to make the Club grow into a top 6 club or the Club is in trouble. If you can put 60,000 plus people in a stadium every game and be in the Champions league the Giants of the Midlands are truly that.....Giants! Decisions by listening to fans and their personal opinions is foolish. AV owners are very smart people and the executive team they have are all world class people.....lets have some fun and sit back and enjoy what they create.
@@richarddavies7323But the true fans don't want their "creation" if it's at the cost of our history.
Our owners have been faultless and I wouldn't trade them for anyone in the world - but moving us from Villa Park would be completely wrong.
Heritage idea is 🔥
But not in a crappy new stadium. Heritage means Villa Park
The badge - I really like the current round one 🤷♀️ (gen x too) - don’t really like the possible new one that’s floating around. If they do scrap the round one, I’d like to have just the lion for a badge (similar style to Roma’s).. maybe put 150 years or 1874 on the back collar. Excited about adidas… I haven’t gotten a new top since my first match in 2001 - maybe it’s time for a new one.
I grew up in Birmingham and I don’t blame Chris Heck for being scared to drive there - the place is like the Wild West! Honestly, I don’t live there anymore but anytime I come back to visit you instantly know that you’re back because the quality of driving goes down the toilet - true fact!
Scared to drive there lmao who gives a crap .Chris heck is no villa fan and will be gone so his opinion dont count
75000 people have been at villa park with even worst transport links.
Haha I moved to Canada, having lived in several other countries outside the UK where I grew up as well, and I saw no less than 5 traffic accidents in my first month here. That level has abated a bit but I still see morons taking stupid turns, people hugging your bumper is a constant not an occasional annoyance from a bellend, and ridiculously huge cars dominating the lane. Canadian drivers are amongst the worst I have seen, you'll be fine driving in the UK.
You think driving in the UK is scary😮 You want to try New Zealand where I’m currently staying, their state highways are equivalent to our A roads at best!
-Some of the anti-american sentiment is borne of the fallout from Lerner. He may have meant well but Villa dissolved and have only just recovered. People are aware of the cut throat nature of US sports where they seem happy to move teams to another city, etc. Villa are the antithesis to that, our identity is who we are. That may be 'uneducated noise' and I apologise for that but I stand for what Villa's history makes the club, not what our potential income could be on a spreadsheet, etc. The communication from the club and Heck has been very poor and has left room for interpretation which is probably part of the problem. Rather than putting the hold on the North Stand redevelopment, they should have told us what they are aiming for instead. That would bring the fans alongside straight away. It was similar with the badge situation too. The new badge doesn't even seem to satisfy the FA's rules on fan consultation - just someone wading in with their size10s making decisions in a rapid fire way. There's a sense of taking the fans for idiots in all this. But hey, he has the Business degrees right.
-The new stadium is a bold step for Villa. Very few stadia can boast what Villa Park has historically. Maybe we are mired in the past but that's our footballing CV, it's who we are. Moving would be a big, big step and sadly I feel would kill that old traditional Villa. Is it truly impossible for us to remain the same club as we try to move forwards and compete?
Agree entirely, we have to protect our history and heritage, and make sure the fans feel part of the future .
Moving from Villa Park , would be the end of my 60 Yr tenure at Villa , and I'm sure I'm not on my own on that point .
It's not all about the money , yet it seems that's all people want to talk about .
Invest in the team , invest in the stadium, and more importantly invest in the fans , without them we are nothing . UTMV😉
The new badge wasn't helped with the shitty wet strip..
I suppose if you want to move with the big buys, you move stadium. Is 50,000 too short sighted? The 2nd city deserves a 60-70,000. The profile of the club is up, the reputation of the city is up and ultimately he has said the inferstructure is just not there in Aston! I've said it for a while, a move is on the cards and don't forget we have the HS2 down to the smoke!
Great video Pete 👍 I grew up in Victoria road Aston and been going down for 50 of my 56 years.
I think if we moved it would probably never quite feel the same again because of the history and memories.
Having said that Aston is a shit hole, Birmingham city council haven't got a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, they are officially bankrupt.
The problem is space there just isn't any, it is all residential one side and Aston hall the other so nothing doing there.
I think the North stand has been put on hold because its not enough for what the club want to achieve long term, so if a new stadium is needed to make us compete with the big clubs financially and commercially then we have to do it. UTV
Pete I'm sorry but what are you talking about?
I dont mean to be rude but you've been to Villa Park twice...
You're not speaking on behalf of Villa fans that have been going to this stadium for the whole of their lives - who have families that have been going to this stadium for generations.
Yes there are improvements that can be made - but they can easily be made.
I know the surrounding area is a shithole now but that's where Villa have to get onto the council to get them to clear up the streets. Easily done if we're hosting the euros and the whole world is coming there.
Don't be blinded by shiny new things just because we've been performing really well for a year.
If we leave Villa Park that will be the end of us as a proper club.
I'm not willing to throw away all that history so that we can appease some new plastic fans and an American that's too scared to drive round Birmingham.
As an ex Brummie (now living elsewhere) brought up at Villa Park and going there for over 50 years, yours is the best comment on this topic. The North Stand and Doug Ellis should be developed together stage 1 and 2 as previously proposed but Heck may be right re. the timing.
Pete - as someone who lived previously in Tsawwassen and frequented BC Place many times you're right about the amenities etc and yes the area surrounding VP is a shithole but the main issue of transport via Witton and Aston stations can be sorted with the right approach. Moving out to the NEC area may be on the cards for all we know but I want to stay and improve the infrascture and surroundings.
Our atmosphere has already got. Can't imagine how much it would die at a new stadium
“Greatest year in our history without winning anything”?? Ok, it was a good calendar year, but football is based on the results of a season and in my lifetime we’ve finished 6th at on 7 occasions , 5th, 4th (twice , but granted we also won the league cup on both those occasions) as well as runners up twice. That’s more important to me than saving a crappy season then starting the next campaign well.
Great cast as always Pete. A lot of noise around FFP and PL Sustainability rules at the moment. As you have alluded to, this is about business and commerciality verses sentiment and history.
Unless Villa develop their commercial side, and increase the spend per fan at Villa Oark similar to how Spurs did, we are really going to struggle to maintain a challenge to the Champions League spots which is where the money is.
If we largely remain as we are, we will not be able to buy 2 or 3 quality players each summer window at £40m+.
Villa Park, a romantic (football wise), stadium but it is struggling to be fit for purpose, hence match day revenue is so poor and supporters largely turn up shortly before kick off and leave on the final whistle. Let alone the transport links…..
Reality is we need progress our business side and massively increase our revenue, and not be sentimental.
In that basis, Chris Heck is the right man.
Chris Heck is soft if he's too scared to drive in Birmingham, i've driven in most of the crazy places around the world. Bangkok,New Delhi,Mumbai,Cairo,Yangong,phnom pehn,Ho chi Min,Vientiane etc. If you can drive,you can drive. It doesn't matter where you are,the principle is the same,don't hit anything & don't get hit by anyone else. Simple!
Youve obviously not driven through Sparkhill lately. When you see all of the vehicles there with their side panels smashed in coupled with cars pulling out in front of you left right and centre you are relieved when you get out of there and never want to go back in any car worth over a grand.
I am in Norway … 😂
Excellent video Pete, you are spot on. I have supported villa all my life, and my family history is local around Birmingham. I want Villa to be a great club, that is totally inline with its history and traditions. That needs great business acumen as well as great sport, thats always been true, and is still true today. We are lucky to have great owners who are taking the club back to the top. UTV
10 gbp per vote on a survey - raise some cash for Villa and let’s see how passionate fans are about voicing their wants 😮😂😂😂
You sound so Tory right now - is the cost of a season ticket not enough Mr Sunak?
Wow “what” that’s the worst though
I’m off for a lay down
Communication and engagement could have saved him from most of the cynacism. Unfortunately it's been weak so far in his tenure, even when it's part of FA requirements.
No way we move from Villa Park. Think you’d have a revolt in B6 and money cannot trump heritage. You can’t put on heritage games in a modern bowl indentikit stadium. Heritage means Villa Park. Our ownership will have rude awakening if they try a stunt like that.
If we move to a new NFL stadium such as Spurs have, I’ll be done. This club will always be in my heart, but that magic of being at Villa Park since the early 80’s will never be replicated. You can keep the corporate stuff and the tickets prices aimed at tourists. I don’t like Chris Heck one bit, just my personal view. UTFV.
The measure of a good owner / Leader is by what they leave for the person that follows them. If the Ground is not extended then yes our Owners alongside Heck will have failed that test. We all know why Heck has delayed the new stand. He wants to drive up the prices we pay that's why he has introduced the corporate or premium experiences as he would describe them to the Holte End. The owners and Heck should understand they can do what they like corporate wise on three sides of the ground but the Holte End should be a democratic equalitarian affordable space.
It is interesting that Tottenham a smaller club than Villa will have a £300 million advantage on us if the ground its delayed three years.
Spot on, Pete. SM is a loud mouthpiece for only a fraction of the fanbase. The potential 'bang for buck' revenue growth is by tapping into the global market based on the support players like Emi Martinez bring in Argentina. Almost every South Korean is a spurs fan. As an Aussie growing up in the 90's, Bozza was influential, I went to Villanova College, Villa Park was the name of our playing fields...how could I not support the Villa? 😊
Just on the blame the owners thing... Did they lie to the fans and the FA regarding the badge process?
Hi Pete, interesting video! I disagree with some of your points, I'll explain why. I think the commercial comparison between us & various US sports is way off. In all those sports it's a closed shop, you can't drift down multiple divisions never to be seen again or have to compete with countless other leagues in other countries.
I think the importance of our brand identity is massively overplayed, we compete in the league with the biggest global brand. Even if we're 'not big' we play 12 games against the Sky 6, it's impossible not to get exposure. How do we grow our brand, we need to win trophies. No more, no less. Of the Sky 6, only Spurs haven't won anything in recent times, but they're based in London, have had Harry Kane (massive marketing tool) & Son pulls in massive S.Korean interest too.
Commercially Villa are awful. The match day food offering is awful & expensive, so I bring my own. The merch....generally poor, the last time I bought a shirt I had to go through about 3 rows to find one where the finish was to normal high street standards. My wife bought me the 80/81 white away shirt (online store) for Christmas. Great she thought, 100% cotton like the European Cup shirt....wrong, awful, thin nylon. She got a full refund, they didn't want it returned & it's still falsely shwing as 100% cotton online.
It's people like me they should be looking to empty my wallet every match (season ticket since 90s), make me want to buy food & drink because it's decent & convenient, make my lad want to go to the shop every match & plead with me for gear & what not. Massive untapped revenues that they just won't unleash unless they buck their ideas up.
As for Heck flak, this next criticism predates his arrival, communication, communication, communication. It's crap! People looking to renew only to find their seats have been removed for disability seating. No issue with catering better for the disabled, but tell the affected people in good time. Add to that removing access to the Holte Suite (I didn't use it) etc. you can see why people's backs have been put up.
Keep the round badge like the one we had when we won the European Cup and stay at villa park. Redevelop the north stand.
I do feel a new Stadium is on the cards. Also just looked around and interestingly there is no Adidas Stadium anywhere? just maybe :)
Disgusting
I always feared this l, to redevelop Villa Park to match the off pitch development of the club and the overall ambition is going to take 10-12 years.
If we really want to operate with the big boys and work with the FFP (which is toughest on clubs like us) we need 60-70k stadium.
You keep saying criticism is wrong from people who go every week and have for 58 years in my case and we should walk so you can gloat at how much money two billionaires can make more first time ever I gave thumbs down and turned off
Maybe if chris heck hadn't off completely tore up 3/4 years work & stadium expansion, with just a PR explanation as a reason,and as for him NOT needing to know about football!!!! SORRY HE DOES!!!!!! he's the chef executive NOT just head of commercial
For the first time since NSWE took over I felt badly let down by the shelving of the redevelopment, too much doesn't make any sense but they have enough good will in the tank with the fans that a bit of grumbling from some is all that'll happen.
As much as I love Villa Park I've been going since before the North Stand was built in the 70s so none of it is the Villa Park I first knew, if a new stadium in a better location is needed then so be it but please don't make some soulless bowl, build with red brick and stained glass as a nod to what made Villa Park such an iconic stadium, its a huge part of our heritage and it shouldn't be sacrificed.
If we want to compete commercially and therefore on the pitch moving to a new 60,000 stadium is one option the board and owners need to consider. Our current commercial revenue is 10% of Man Utd’s. That is a gap that cannot be bridged easily, even partially.
the best 1 is the QPR doc with the owners and executives acting like spoiled arrogant twats
I don't understand how you defend Heck when he was chased out of his last job, I mean one of his first ideas was the lower grounds tickets which further superates an already massive divide in rich fans and poor fans.
I can see a new stadium on the same site with doing CPO’s on the housing behind the trinity,north and Witton lane stands.
Then build a new stadium, you could use the Alex stadium with temporary seats to raise capacity while construction goes on.
Villa park as it is will become a serious problem with the revenue intake if we want to compete then we have to grow, I have fond memories down there. But sometimes you have to let go of the past.
I want to see Aston Villa complete in the big competitions but to do that you have to change the way of thinking and our owners will want to see a return on their investment
As much as I love VP the surrounding area is a dump and unless they're going to demolish an regenerate the entire area I think for the long term a move to somewhere more suitable could be huge for the future of the club. The current stadium isn't really the stadium I fell in love with anyway. That disappeared when Doug demolished the Trinity. The Holte was better before all seater stadiums came in and the North stand is the only survivor from my first visit and that's awful. I would build it at the NEC surrounded by hotels and other things for visitors to do so it's a destination venue. It would have to be amazing though, not a boring modern bowl.
So you want to move out of Birmingham and take away our history?
Plastic
I'm not sure why people think the NEC is the golden ticket site (for the record I never want us to leave VP). All driving fans in South Birmingham & South or West of Birmingham (Redditch, Droitwich, Worcester, Bromsgrove, Kiddy, Stourbridge etc.) would have to go M42 South, throw in the usual heavy traffic on the M42 & it's utter madness. Currently I can go M6, M5 or Handsworth M5 or through the city centre & head south or M6, M42....all those options reduced to one?!
Public transport....currently people can get bus, train, taxi or walk to the city centre (circa 4 miles) & then onwards. Compare that to relying on a train from International, especially with concert/event crowds from Resort World too. You're going to need a lot of tourist fans to replace alienated bread & butter fans.
@@Sprawlsy Many Villa fans live North of Birmingham too. It's the same journey time but much better parking etc. You have a way better match day experience somewhere like with the facilites adjacent and still drive away without the huge bottlenecks afterwards. Also you need tourist fans if you want to compete with the big boys so being near an airport and hotels is a big plus. I think big stadiums are better when they are out of town.
@royaltyfreemusiccollective8662 You must have misread my reply as I explained a huge potential post-match bottleneck for those going south, presumably the same for those going north. I've parked at Wembley & the Reebok Stadium, again, like any similar venue, massive bottleneck to get out.
You don't need a huge stadium to compete, you need to consistently win trophies & finish top 4 to generate the TV & commercial income.
People moan about the atmosphere at VP now, imagine what it would be like with day trippers who expect everyone else to put on a show for them, but a large percentage of others there will be day trippers too. If we ever become a theme park club I'm afraid I'll have to call time on it all. Awful Americanisation scenario of English football.
I would back a brand new stadium! People need to let the emotions go
Agreed.
I actually can't believe people are saying that.
Leave Villa Park and 127 years of history for some bland bowl in the middle of nowhere.
Are you even a real Villa fan?
It's either that he doesn't think the North Stand redevelopment got enough bang for their buck, so he wants something far bigger that won't cost much more, or they are seriously looking at a greenfield site. Some of Fabrizio Romano's concept designs for a retro Victorian 60+K new stadium for Villa could be pretty awesome. And if you want to get those younger fans the experience has to be easier, it can't be like crossing the plains in the 1800's every weekend!
Absolute rubbish. You don't honestly believe that as a Villa fan do you?
I'm a young fan and you're chatting shit.
You're talking rubbish. I'm a younger fan and Villa Park is where we need to stay.
The concept designs for a victorian Villa stadium would never happen and you know they wouldn't
@@joebees21 Not sure it's rubbish. We really don't know what they're saying behind closed doors.
They know we need a far bigger match day revenue than we currently have, so like any business owner (as I am) I am sure they are considering all of the options.
I would favor a much larger north stand than proposed and a huge tier on top of the Doug Ellis. Between those two expansions VP could get to 60K and we wouldn't have to lose a lot of match day revenue along the way.
@@johnmtconnolly The part about you talking rubbish was in reference to the younger fans.
Developing Villa Park is the only answer in my opinion.
That way we don't lose what makes us so special.
I would imagine that Nassif sawiris had a big part in the adidas kit deal,as he has a 7% stake in the company. I wouldn't be against a move to a new ground as long as it's not a soulless bowl if it meant a big up turn in revenue, with 35.000 on a season ticket waiting list just building a new north stand ain't gonna cut it,we really need a minimum of 60.000+. I'd rather move ground with a little bit of pain,than have a future getting completely left behind our rivals & for Villa just being a middle/lower half of the league club. If we ever want to compete long term then we must increase our revenues in a big way & whatever it takes to do that i believe is necessary for our future...up the mighty Villa!!!
So you're already willing to sell out our history for all these new shiny things?
Up the mighty Solihull Villa it will become
I'd move stadium if they could keep some of the aesthetics that make villa park look so good especially at night. Teams move grounds it's football would be a shame to leave villa park but if it ment we cracked on to the next level I'm fine with it
Sell your soul for money and trophies or be a unique club in a unique stadium with proper fans and probably never win anything. Something in-between is what will work. Tough times #utv
Quite ironic Pete that you appear against the round badge yet you are proudly wearing it on your chest. With scarf behind showing it as well. Also this season is seeing us get more exposure than ever and guess what, we have a round badge.
I’ve come to terms now with the prospect of leaving VP. If that’s what they want then so be it. We are definitely anchored to our past.What exciting times these are.
ASTON VILLA belongs in Aston .north stand and deadly doug stand need gone Villa can increase to 60000.northstand shoud be as big as the holte end
I’ve lived in Birmingham all my life and I would be delighted if we moved out of Aston it is an utter s***hole. We need to be encouraging families and making it a really exciting and accessible day out for all.
I'd accept a relocation if we stayed close to Birmingham centre and built a new stadium in keeping with the heritage and unique design....there's a massive development plot in the centre, just behind the bullring..public transport would be immediate and Birmingham would be electric for home games attracting 60,000 fans.
I know where you mean, its certainly a big enough area but are there plans in place to develop the site for another purpose already in place ?
Certainly an opportunity as a site that size in the centre of town must be a rarity.
There's nowhere we could feasibly go in Birmingham City Centre that isn't already owned.
Do you really want to throw away all our history for some plastic fans?
@@joebees21 The OP named the place, all land is owned, is that plot for sale is the question.
As for "plastic" fans there are about 10,000 at Villa Park every week who weren't there a decade ago. We can't throw away history but I would like to add to it regularly and that doesn't happen without major changes.
@@paulhanson5164 It would be throwing away history. Myself and the majority of fans that go every week aren't prepared to lose Villa Park for some soulless new stadium that will inevitably be in the arse end of nowhere.
disagree mate. what do you mean by plastic fans. language of the ignorant.@@joebees21
Bloody hell Pete, I love your vids but some of your observations on this was one were terrible “Young people don’t like the round badge but they didn’t vote against it because young people don’t vote” WTF? Yes, I’m prepared to criticise the owners on the way they’ve handled the north stand redevelopment, the Aston lower grounds and the villa terrace. The argument that brits are cynical about North America’s is not true. We judge people on their actions. Lying to the core ‘customer’ [fan] base is shit, whether to a Brit , North American or outer Mongolian. Constructive criticism is not negatively, it’s critical appraisal - look it up when studying your masters in sports business. By the way, how did you get on on your masters when stating “I believe…, I have nothing to back this up..”?Define how American sports outperform the EPL? Financially, won’t argue but popularity around the globe? Football is based on promotion and relegation (glory and jeopardy) not franchises and the malaise associated with North America sports. If American sports is in such a great situation, why are so many North Americans involved in British football? 1) because they get it’s a better ‘product’ or 2) to make a quick few quid. If it’s 1) then respect what has made the EPL such a success. If it’s 2) then they don’t deserve fans loyalty anyway.
Fans can have their say, and they are saying it- many of the tier 1 games aren’t selling out until the last few days due to the ridiculous prices in certain sections of the ground considering the mostly appalling facilities inside VP and dreadful transport issues outside the ground. I appreciate you’ve only seen the corporate side of a game at VP. Try going for a piss in the north stand at half time, or getting a pint in the concourse of the upper witton…
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Saying Chris Heck doesn't need to know ANYTHING about football just tells me this whole episode is likely to be a miss.
Couldn't one reason for the NS halt be that the city of Birmingham basically is bankrupt?! Thus, no money for improved transport. So Heck tries to "blackmail" the council?!
On another topic, the round badge with "Champions of Europe" beneath ... Let's scrap that text. Or at least let me buy a shirt with the badge only. It's been 40 years now... we're being laughed at for it.
Chris Heck is massively out of his depth and seems hell bent on ruining 150 years of great traditions with our club. The badge is an absolute farce. To say its not had the desired effect as soon as its released what was the point of a mass survey with season ticket holders and members and as for the north stand has he ever sat there or tried to get refreshments during a game. The sioner he's gone the better
Should have saved your money mate.