@@DecentxRnope. With a wide grip you hid the upper back more. That means teres major and minor. With a narrow grip you hit the lats more. That means narrow grip is for width since lats give your back the width
they all hit lats .... in fact if the grip was too wide it would put more emphasis on the upper back and the teres muscles ..... but whether it is wide , neutral or close grip its all LATS ... each grip will have different secondary muscle that target for example an underhand grip will traget more of the biceps instead of back muscles... along with the lats
Most people in this comment section are so stupid trolling the guy who uploaded the video, while they themselves are "Half right" and have no clue of "Biomechanics". The Lats have 2 Functions- Shoulder Extension(from the frontal plane to the posterior plane) and the Shoulder Adduction(from Sides). The first function is NOT targetted by the PRONATED PULLDOWNS aka Wide Grip Lat Pulldown. It only performs the Second Function, which is *Shoulder Adduction* and it still targets only small upper part of the Lats, it mostly develops the TERES Muscles(Teres Major and Minor). The SUPINATED OR NEUTRAL GRIP aka Close Grip Lat Pulldown is the one that targets the first function, which is Shoulder Extension. It can actually also be targetted with PULLOVERS(Hammer Strength, Cable or Dumbbell), as well as Close Grip Rows. The reason most people think that for Wider Back you need to perform "Wide Arm Pulldowns" is bcz of it has been the default recommendation due to traditional Bodybuilding BS. Also, Most people perform these Pronated Pulldowns by leaning backwards, that makes their Lats work, if they keep their Torso more Upright with just slight Backward Lean, It will work mostly Upper Lats & Teres. This Upper Part is the one that gets thick bcz of this Movement which helps in creating an illusion of Strong Lats, when it is not bcz most of the Width is never covered bcz nobody does Close Grip stuff nowadays. Also, If you do Rows close grip or Pullovers, You'll get good Lats, but You'll give that Credit to Pronated Pulldowns when infact it wasn't even the cause of it. People here can even see *Real Life Examples:* Dorian Yates didn't use to do Pronated Pulldowns, he used to do Only Supinated Grip Pulldowns & Hammer Strength Pullovers for it. He used to do his "popular Yates Row" for Upper-Mid Back Muscles mostly. And that's it, You can see what his Lats were, I mean, those were the biggest ever probably, like Arnold's Chest. If Pronated Pulldowns were the cause of Great Lats he wouldn't be able to build GOAT Lats ever. Here's even a video of SEAN NALEWANYJ where he explained in the end that Lat Pulldown is not actually a Lat Pulldown, it is the Close grip pulldown which is the real Lat Pulldown. ua-cam.com/video/iKWwgt6hcDQ/v-deo.htmlsi=giYSdLWYc0H-0Ukq
This is true. Jeremy Ethier also talks about this (ua-cam.com/video/KGwi_oSQrAY/v-deo.html) The default Lat Pulldown (wide grip) is more for upper back, not for the lats. Crazy how one of the most popular weightlifting exercises has such a misleading name.
The way I think of it is if your elbow is away from the body it targets the upper back more which includes the teres muscles, traps, rhomboid and rear delts depending on the wideness while if your elbow is close to the body it favors the lat muscles more.
The only time the handle bar really matters is if you’re going to do lat rows, but on lat pulls down it’s simply a matter of preference. I suggest you do your research in advance, otherwise the comments section’s just going to keep spit roasting you 😂
scientifically its shown that a medium width grip is probably the best all around but the wider the more emphasis it puts on upper back and rear delts at the cost of some lat debelopment but its still mainly a lat excersise.u should just do what u like the most and also if u do alot pf shoulder extension do wider grip and if u do allot of should adduction do closer grip
Atleast 2” outside of shoulder width would roughly be medium grip yup. It all comes down to the goal and the objective you’re trying to achieve. Certainly as long as it aligns with that, then if you have the knowledge base, go for it. I’d say for most beginners learning to train hard and with proper technique will be key at first.
Bruh…. This is what makes people burn out. Do you seriously think your body is only going to use one muscle only to do a certain variation of a lift? No… out muscles are meant to work in coordination. If you wanna change it up sometimes then do that, but lat pull downs target the lats, as well shoulders, biceps, and forearms, period. Stop overthinking and just lift man.
Yeah quality video this!!! Many people don't even know what they're training in the gym, so their routines are not as effective as they could be. Thanks for sharing this mate.
Reduce weight u lift,arch lower back little bit,pull the bar towards ur upper chest,use overhand grip wider than shoulder width,move elbows backward while contracting ur back muscle release the bar slowly stretch ur lats keep chest up don't swing
Mix up what handles and grips you're using. And actually, even after finding one you like keep trying different ones every now and then. Like personally wide grips didn't feel like shit to me before, but that seems like it was because I couldn't move much weight so there wasn't actually that much tension on the muscle. Now that I'm stronger with that movement, I'm moving enough to feel it.
Grip width and hand position is almost entirely irrelevant in a lat pulldown. You activate the same muscle to almost entirely the same degree. I say almost because it differs from person to person which one you feel best.
I have a feeling the Lat Pulldown always targets the lats.
@@DecentxRnope. With a wide grip you hid the upper back more. That means teres major and minor. With a narrow grip you hit the lats more. That means narrow grip is for width since lats give your back the width
@@DecentxRclose grip is lats bro😭
basically all of these movements work lats more than ur traps so yeah
Did you not watch the video lmao? You must be new to the gym, this is common knowledge
No they target my glutes more. Everytime I pull down my glutes start to jiggle
Bro graduated from the McDonalds deep fryer
💀😂
right, lmaooo
Hahahahahah you are so mean bro 😅
😂😂
Wrong lol...where do these modern "influencers" get this crap from?
exactly
Agree. They can not even engage the lats and can not even feel the contraction.
For real lol, I don’t watch any of these geeks
What is wrong here?
Yes
they all hit lats .... in fact if the grip was too wide it would put more emphasis on the upper back and the teres muscles ..... but whether it is wide , neutral or close grip its all LATS ... each grip will have different secondary muscle that target
for example an underhand grip will traget more of the biceps instead of back muscles... along with the lats
Most people in this comment section are so stupid trolling the guy who uploaded the video, while they themselves are "Half right" and have no clue of "Biomechanics".
The Lats have 2 Functions- Shoulder Extension(from the frontal plane to the posterior plane) and the Shoulder Adduction(from Sides).
The first function is NOT targetted by the PRONATED PULLDOWNS aka Wide Grip Lat Pulldown.
It only performs the Second Function, which is *Shoulder Adduction* and it still targets only small upper part of the Lats, it mostly develops the TERES Muscles(Teres Major and Minor).
The SUPINATED OR NEUTRAL GRIP aka Close Grip Lat Pulldown is the one that targets the first function, which is Shoulder Extension.
It can actually also be targetted with PULLOVERS(Hammer Strength, Cable or Dumbbell), as well as Close Grip Rows.
The reason most people think that for Wider Back you need to perform "Wide Arm Pulldowns" is bcz of it has been the default recommendation due to traditional Bodybuilding BS.
Also, Most people perform these Pronated Pulldowns by leaning backwards, that makes their Lats work, if they keep their Torso more Upright with just slight Backward Lean, It will work mostly Upper Lats & Teres.
This Upper Part is the one that gets thick bcz of this Movement which helps in creating an illusion of Strong Lats, when it is not bcz most of the Width is never covered bcz nobody does Close Grip stuff nowadays.
Also, If you do Rows close grip or Pullovers, You'll get good Lats, but You'll give that Credit to Pronated Pulldowns when infact it wasn't even the cause of it.
People here can even see *Real Life Examples:*
Dorian Yates didn't use to do Pronated Pulldowns, he used to do Only Supinated Grip Pulldowns & Hammer Strength Pullovers for it.
He used to do his "popular Yates Row" for Upper-Mid Back Muscles mostly.
And that's it, You can see what his Lats were, I mean, those were the biggest ever probably, like Arnold's Chest.
If Pronated Pulldowns were the cause of Great Lats he wouldn't be able to build GOAT Lats ever.
Here's even a video of SEAN NALEWANYJ where he explained in the end that Lat Pulldown is not actually a Lat Pulldown, it is the Close grip pulldown which is the real Lat Pulldown.
ua-cam.com/video/iKWwgt6hcDQ/v-deo.htmlsi=giYSdLWYc0H-0Ukq
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This is true.
Jeremy Ethier also talks about this (ua-cam.com/video/KGwi_oSQrAY/v-deo.html)
The default Lat Pulldown (wide grip) is more for upper back, not for the lats. Crazy how one of the most popular weightlifting exercises has such a misleading name.
The way I think of it is if your elbow is away from the body it targets the upper back more which includes the teres muscles, traps, rhomboid and rear delts depending on the wideness while if your elbow is close to the body it favors the lat muscles more.
Bro skipped brain day
Lol
FYI narrow/close grip puts more emphasis on biceps.
@@kevinkanzler495and lats as well
@@kevinkanzler495 that's only if it's an underhand grip. if u keep it neutral then nah
The only time the handle bar really matters is if you’re going to do lat rows, but on lat pulls down it’s simply a matter of preference. I suggest you do your research in advance, otherwise the comments section’s just going to keep spit roasting you 😂
Never skip brain day kids 😂
This man’s waffling
scientifically its shown that a medium width grip is probably the best all around but the wider the more emphasis it puts on upper back and rear delts at the cost of some lat debelopment but its still mainly a lat excersise.u should just do what u like the most and also if u do alot pf shoulder extension do wider grip and if u do allot of should adduction do closer grip
Atleast 2” outside of shoulder width would roughly be medium grip yup. It all comes down to the goal and the objective you’re trying to achieve. Certainly as long as it aligns with that, then if you have the knowledge base, go for it. I’d say for most beginners learning to train hard and with proper technique will be key at first.
This guy makes it up as he goes along lol 😂😅
Ppl need to stop trying to act like god damn trainers
Should you do all three in a single session
No
Dickeads will follow this and start wearing a head band 😂😂
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Why did the tiktok voice have a voicecrack at the beggining 😂
So should I start close grip and forget the basic lat pulldown?????
Bro is the WORST gym bro to ask for advice
Tik tok university??
Bruh…. This is what makes people burn out. Do you seriously think your body is only going to use one muscle only to do a certain variation of a lift? No… out muscles are meant to work in coordination. If you wanna change it up sometimes then do that, but lat pull downs target the lats, as well shoulders, biceps, and forearms, period. Stop overthinking and just lift man.
Best comment in this section 👏
You're overthinking it
Neutral grip also targets lats
Yeah quality video this!!! Many people don't even know what they're training in the gym, so their routines are not as effective as they could be. Thanks for sharing this mate.
First one is for lats second one is for middle back and last for lats too
lol everything wrong
So can you tell me what is for what?
@@abdullahali6055 They are all of lats, if you wanna grow the traps go do wide grip ROWS, not pulldowns
Bicep will take over that close grip💀
I feel the 1st excerise in my arms 😢 am i doing it wrong ?
🤓Science based Lifters
For me it's all shoulders 🙃
Reduce weight u lift,arch lower back little bit,pull the bar towards ur upper chest,use overhand grip wider than shoulder width,move elbows backward while contracting ur back muscle release the bar slowly stretch ur lats keep chest up don't swing
What a farkin 🔔 end
Amazing machine , only god knows that i have that machine
i never feel exercise in lats 😭
Mix up what handles and grips you're using. And actually, even after finding one you like keep trying different ones every now and then. Like personally wide grips didn't feel like shit to me before, but that seems like it was because I couldn't move much weight so there wasn't actually that much tension on the muscle. Now that I'm stronger with that movement, I'm moving enough to feel it.
Thanks
pretty sure lat pulldown is called LAT pulldown probably because it targets the lats regardless
Bro never skipped donkey day
If you twigs while doing you train charisma
completely wrong lmfao
Cant find a lat bar with closed circle ends.
Prolly cuz u go to a gym in the ghetto
Close grip = mostly upper lat fibers
Wide grip = mostly lower lat fibers
It’s the opposite
Traps have left the chat 😂
This is what happens when there is no dislike button.
this is js straight up wrong 😭
Close grip for triceps
no
Song?
know how to use the do not recommend channel
What about the inner, outer, upper, lower, and mid lats though?
Lmao
The music: young kid edit
Bullshit, don’t have to do with your grip. It is HOW you pull your ellbow and WERE
Grip width and hand position is almost entirely irrelevant in a lat pulldown. You activate the same muscle to almost entirely the same degree. I say almost because it differs from person to person which one you feel best.
No matter what, it’s gonna hit the lats but close grip emphasizes the upper fibers and wide grip emphasizes the lower fibers
That’s not a wide grip sir
Why is the guy in the corner picture wearing a clothe covid mask? 😂
Its very very true respect👌
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Broo its "LAT" pulldown😊
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Song name?
Genesis by bravo 1 - 2
Nutty info..dont follow this
Bahahaha
L video a lot of miss information here 👎🏻
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Ummmmm NOPE
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This so bull.....
Background music name
Under hand grip???
All wrong
Learn something new
You tube becomes a chhapri's haunt now a days
Song ?