A Drydocked Battleship - What's below the waterline?
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2024
- Today we take a look an exclusive look at what the underside of an Iowa class battleship looks like as we tour USS New Jersey in her drydock.
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If Spain had joined WWII, could the Espanas have been more suited for the supporting roles battleships were generally forced into in WWII than the battleships of either the Axis or the Allied powers? Their age would mean they’re not a new investment of resources that could have been used better elsewhere like the newer fast battleships, and their small size and slow speed isn’t really a problem for shore bombardment and might actually give them an advantage due to shallower draft and using up less fuel and manpower.
What is the origin story of the US Navy cage mast? What is the philosophy of its design and did it work out well in actuality? Why did it go away?
Given the constantly changing nature of large capital ships even while under construction (as seen with examples like the North Carolina), just how likely would it be that USS United States would finish up as a more conventional carrier (much like how she appears in World of Warships) before she's even launched?
The Holland Tunnel is the name of a tunnel from New Jersey to New York City.
This question was originally posted in your Italy/US trip announcement on youtube. People seemed to enjoy it, so here we go. :) -- How thick of lasagna would it take to stop an armor piercing round from New Jersey's 16" guns? Conditions: 8,000 yards. calm winds. lasagna used as armor at 90degrees to the surface of the water like belt armor. full charge of powder. both New Jersey and USS Lasagna are on a parallel course at 15 knots. fresh warm and ready to eat lasagna. Spinach and toppings your choice.
Hi Drach. You mention you're not sure why the space between the skegs is called the Holland tunnel but I'll give a shot for the reason due to its American lingo nature...and well I'm an American. The battleship is of course named for the state New Jersey, now berthed in Camden NJ. One of the main throughfares into New York City and out of New Jersey is the Holland Tunnel across the Hudson River to Manhattan Island. So it may just be the nick name the crew or yard workers years ago gave this void given it's resemblance to a long tunnel and its remained that since.
Being American myself, knowing the name of the ship, where it was made and having driven that tunnel, when I heard the name I just assumed that’s what it was named for. I’m sure there’s also room for some New York/New Jersey ribbing in there.
Being from Jersey, it looks like the Holland Tunnel has not exit on her, a reference to the rivalry between NJ and NY (mainly NYC aka 'The Big Blight').
Did anyone mention the Tunnel Bunnies???
I had a tour when the ship was still in service. They had a long passageway below the main deck. It was several feet wide and a few hundred feet long. They called it "Broadway".
Believe it or not, Battleship New Jersey’s propellors are probably even closer to where they were made than the ship itself is! That long building across the street that’s shaped like the letter M is actually the Naval Foundry and Propeller Center, where the US Navy has made its propellers since the 1920s. (The building to the north and east of the drydock)
Hey Drach I don’t know if you will ever see this but I hope one day for you to do a trip to my hometown of Hartlepool for a couple videos. We have the world’s second oldest ship still afloat (HMS Trincomalee) and we have the Heugh Gun Battery, the only shots to be fired at the December 1914 German raiders on Scarborough, Whitby and Hartlepool.
They are a couple pieces of history that aren’t well known and I hope someone like yourself can help out by showing off these rare pieces of British history.
The hull pitting has gotten worse since it was repaired during the 1987 drydocking at LBNSY. I was a part of the USS New Jersey Hull Accountability Project back in '87, spending 12 hours a day, 7 days a week (for months) in the bottom of the drydock. I'd seen Ryan's videos while the New Jersey was in drydock, but the drone gave a much closer view of the hull. You can also see the weld marks of the round "sand holes" that were cut in the hull so the tanks could be cleaned, blasted, and repainted.
Yesterday I saw an article about substandard welds being recently found on some US Navy ships, including USS New Jersey.
I had to read the article to realize they were talking about the submarine of that name.
Once again, Drach makes a fascinating video out of, quite literally, watching paint dry! Thanks👍
Thank you Sir Drach for helping me through troubles and as I paint my 1/1200 fleets!
It was awesome getting to see the NJ pass under the Walt Whitman when it was heading to dry dock. I’ve toured it a few times but getting to see her pass under the bridge really makes me appreciate her scale and beauty in a new way
One of the other primary reasons for some of the heavy pitting was the extra electronics that were added in the 1980s. The USN didnt add any extra anodes as part of the 1981-1982 reactivation and she missed a drydock period in 1984. So it was only discovered in 1987 when she spent roughly 8 months in drydock to clad weld and repair the worst areas of pitting. It was one of my favorite facts to tell on my tours. Also per the amount of lard used: 100,000 pounds of the stuff
I can't help but imagine New Jersey sliding off the slip way doing the greased up deaf guy impression
Also if I remember correctly, she was the only iowa class that didn't have impressed current protection
@KPen3750 OMG!!! That's A LOT OF LARD!! That is crazy. I could see maybe a few barrels of the stuff being used but that's a ridiculous amount! No wonder it went all the way to the other side of the river! It was riding a huge wave of lard!
I like those interesting facts
Great Fat Fact for the WWII era. Studying meals and food rationing in both the States and the UK - especially in the UK - the need for fats, oils, etc by the military, it would have been felt by most everyone how much lard was lost for cookies, basic non-boiling means of cooking (though broths of anything were useful), and flavor. Plus oiling up those naval guns! Butter was a gift. Wonderful tour for all of those who couldn't afford to make a visit in person - thank you kindly.
drachinifel standing in proportion to uss new jersey, and yet he is a giant of our time!!
Drach, my wife and I enjoyed meeting you in person when we visited the ship.
On the Battleship New Jersey's channel I'd seen a picture that Ryan put in one of the videos of Him and Drach on the front of the New Jersey holding each other with the arms out just like Jack and Rose did in Titanic! 😂 haha it was too funny!
We took this tour and absolutely loved it. It was so much fun.
Thank you. I’ve been on the New Jersey, Lexington, Texas and Missouri. But this is a first for seeing under in this detail. Some videos of the Texas in dry dock. 24:40
Great to see the underside. Being nearer the West coast, I've been to the Iowa. Very impressive.
Looking forward to seeing you speak on October 26th! BTW, I'm told that it's called the Holland Tunnel because it reminded shipyard works of the eponymously named tunnel running between New Jersy and lower Manhattan.
I had the good fortune of visiting it while it was in drydock, truly a wonder and behemoth
To my dying day I shall remember walking under my 17,000 ton cruiser in drydock. We had just landed it on the blocks earlier that day (completed around 1500 that afternoon) and were in the Engineering Logroom for a meeting around 1930 that evening when we felt something similar movement from a wake of a ship passing by closely. Then we realized that, "Hey! We're in drydock! WTH?". We beat it out of there up to the Main Deck and saw the hoses/cables/etc. connecting the ship to the drydock whipping up and down, the ramps from deck to drydock rattling and jumping. An earthquake was occurring. After this event was over, the Duty Engineer Officer decided that we needed to go down in dock and inspect things for damage or derangement. Four of us went down with US Navy cheap flashlights to look at things, hoping that the blocks were still in proper position hold that mass above our heads. Looked good, didn't waste time down there. Upon checking the list/trim bubble indicators in Main Control we saw that the 17,000 ton ship had rotated 3/4 of a degree on the blocks during the quake.
@bullnukeoldman3794 Wow. Earthquakes are scarry no matter where you are! I was living in South Carolina and there was one there of all places. It made the fireplace chimney move. And afterwards we could see daylight through the brick block from inside the house.
you were lucky that that 17000 ton ship didnt ended like IJN battlecruiser Amagi. which had exactly same event happen in 1923 (Great Kanto Earthquake) and slipped completely off of her keelblocks damaging her to be a total loss...
I live next to Valley Forge Pa., on the East coast off USA. So proud that family worked in Philly Naval Shipyard.
Drach, thank you for all the coverage of my home state's namesake ship. I got to see her in drydock and it was such a cool experience. My favorite part was when we got to duck walk underneath the ship. My tour guide asked a lot of history/seafaring questions to the group during our tour and I was able to answer a lot of them because of your channel.
During New Jersey's first sea trial in Sept '82, the second day she started her full power run. Soon the New Jersey ran down the tail end of a storm. We were working back in the laundry, and I was in the section with the washing machines (port side). It was bad enough with the deck vibrating heavily during the full power run, but once New Jersey caught the storm and started to get pushed around, it became kind of treacherous back there. I was getting tossed between the washing machines and the hot water accumulation tank. Finally my leader who had been working in the dry cleaning/clothes folding compartment came out and said "screw this." 🙂
Last time I arrived this early Jackie Fisher was still on HMS Renown (1895).
Hey, watching the video, just about 2/3rds of the way though. It was posted 6 hours ago, and the donation drive just ticked over to complete! Congrats Drac on helping Battleship New Jersey complete their donation drive in just 6 hours with 27 days remaining!
I was onboard the Coast Guard Cutter Campbell #32, in the Puget Sound drydocks, south Seattle, in the mid 70's. A very interesting thing to experience. Plus my mom only lived 15 miles north...
I've been on the USS Iowa. Very educational.
An interesting subject for an episode I've never seen covered would be about the USN's bringing forward based maintenance assets with them while advancing across the Pacific, i.e. floating dry docks, aux ships with machine shops and metal working assets and rapidly constructed SY assets. In WW2 the most ships did not return to Pearl or the west coast except for major repairs or overhauls.
Admiral Lockwood's book "Sink'em All" covers an interesting bit of this although it is a bit anecdotal. Before becoming head of the subs from Pearl Harbor he was in charge of expanding the sub support facilities in Australia. Then he kept working to make sure they had the few available sub tenders where they needed to be in the Pacific, including rest areas for crews, etc and keeping up with the advancing line. Just the sub arm of things listed in his book shows just how complicated and essential the logistics and support side was. He was always struggling to keep a balance with the fleet as they often used the sub tenders as machinery repair for destroyers and smaller boats. They were all on the same side, fighting the same war, but he sometimes started to wonder about that, especially with the red tape difficulties in getting the lagoon at Midway enlarged to take on more subs. It's an excellent book and worth a read.
@@chrismaverick9828 Thanks buddy. I have an interest in floating dry docks having worked in the Norfolk, NNSY, area for 30 yrs. The large ones, AFDL, are unbelievable sights. I worked sub availabilities and SRA's in AFDM 9.
Different metals and metal oxides in contact can also have a precipitation effect, reducing the oxide to a pure metal.
Not ship materials, only example I have is silver oxide being reduced to pure silver by brass. The brass appears unaffected. It is happening on an oxide blackened antler for me, pure silver is creeping out around a brass pin.
There's a big old book called "oxidation and corrosion" that I'd recommend.
Happens with many oxides, just depends on electro-series placement compared to the other metal's rank whether it gives or receives electrons.
*not an expert; just 30 years of on-and-off black, tin, and copper smithing, casting half a dozen metals, knife maker and some electrochemistry like electroplate and rust conversion. Silver and gold smithing a little bit too, more silver.
Make my own progressive solders.
I forget some of the explanations for things. Considering an electoseries tattoo. That's really the key.
Thanks Alex and Ryan; and those guys beneath the propellers for an excellent perspective of scale.
Huh, I never noticed that the inner and outer propellers were different. You do learn something new every day :)
It's called the Holland tunnel because that tunnel goes from New Jersey, under the Hudson river to Manhattan. And I guess it sounded better than the Lincoln tunnel
I was there in drydock the first weekend they were doing tours on April 6th! It was an incredible experience. And the drone footage you have is outstanding. It's cool to see the finished paint up close!
It was very nice to meet you when i did my dry dock tour. Didnt do the tour with you. However it was cool to meet you and have small chat while we were waiting. Really enjoy your channel and since i have met the man behind the voice its that must more personal. Sometimes when you meet public people they disappoint however you and the battleship crew were really personable. Dont tell Libby though but she is much smaler then I imagined. Was really a good time and so many of my Facebook "friends" ask me about it. Great memories and I got to "boop" an Iowa class battleship!
The two people at 5:60 make the sheer size of the propellers and everything even more clear. DAMN, it's HUUUUUGE!
What's bellow the waterline of a battleship?
Short answer= More battleship.
Long answer= hull plating, keel, drainage holes, sonar equipment, sacrificial zinc pads, rudder, propeller, propeller shaft, shaft alignment strut, torpedo tubes (sometimes), auxiliary rudder, paravane towing rod (usually mounted under the bow nose) Bilge keel stabilisers... ... ... more battleship.
As someone who lives in California and did once drive the entire distance from Maryland back to California (after driving to Maryland by way of Texas first), I appreciate the acknowledgement of the tyranny of distance.
I won't lie, when I saw the notification, I thought I was getting a drydock all about battleships
That would have to be "a battleshipped drydock" 😂
WoW thank you sir, it's massive and honestly would not like to walk under 😬 but never seen from this perspective before.
@9:15 - it is wild to see the shell plating at the stern sagging between the structural ribs. looks like an old fabric-skinned plane!
Excited to see new Drach post, even more excited to see it’s on NE coast where I’m from, even more excited I might have chance to see NJ in drydock, immediately learn this was released specifically after she’s out of drydock so no completion(bummed out). Learn you SOMEHOW got flight rights inside that area. Only five minutes in. Quite the rollercoaster.
Wow! Very cool mate. Great to see a different perspective/timeline of this amazing process of the preservation of an amazing boat.👍
The Holland Tunnel is named after the famous tunnel between New York City and Jersey City, New Jersey..
Even though I'm Canadain, I'm proud that my ventures into America's beer market have contributed (possibly) to the anodes. ;)
17:25 We call things like this colloquially "Holland Tunnel" that feel like you are going underground, especially since the real Holland tunnel is two tubes which might have something to do with those hollow skegs since its two passable tubes. Its a local Jersey, PA, NY expression because the Tunnel was such a feat at the time of its construction it became an expression locally. - A Jerseyman, twice removed
37:47 😀.... I'm willing to bet that vile is buried in Drac's backyard next to the 14-in Vickers gun 😎.
Took my tour on the last weekend when the work was done, I thought the propellers would be the most impressive to stand under but it was the rudders that took that prize. Bought a zinc, not sure what I'm going to do with it, maybe make some zinc pens like I did with the old deck teak I got a few years ago.
Love it!
I took the tour, and took and posted video from my 360 camera, but this drone footage is amazing!
35:56 regarding rhe lard, Max Hastings (Retribution) tells the story of a couple of American POW slave laborers in Japan who, starving, ate the lard used to grease the slipways. They then died because the lard had been treated with arsenic to prevent insect infestation. So cookies probably weren't a viable alternative, and I'm curious what happened to the seagull population.
17:16 The Holland Tunnel was completed in 1927 between Jersey City, NJ and lower Manhattan in NYC. At that time it was the longest under water tunnel in the world.
the USS New Jersey looks awesome was very impossible to make this trip from Western Australia , so when the 80th Anniversary takes place i will be in Layte in the Philippines ... so i hope to be at the exact locations of where these mighty vessels were during these engagements
Dude thanks and thumbs up.
A video just going over the features of just a huge dry dock would be good. I’ve seen a small dry dock but the aircraft carrier sized docks have a level of complexity far beyond a 19th century one still in use
Battleship New Jersey? You mean Drach's American home.
The Holland Tunnel runs underneath the Hudson river connecting New Jersey to New York.
Man o man, there’s a lot going on, on that superstructure. A lot of different pieces of equipment and armament.
Fascinating.
Great drone footage. I wish Britain had preserved one big battleship. American saved many.
Wouldn't it be fantastic if you could do one of these drydock tours of HM S Warspite.....a great opportunity missed to save a legend.
If I recall U.S.S. Washington had some bad vibration problems and replacing the inboard propellors with five bladed propellors was part of the melioration of the problem. I wonder if this was also done on the Iowas as a preventative. Or perhaps that is simply how they learned about the advantages they later adopted regardless of vibration concerns.
I pass the NJ 2 to 3 times a week when I'm fishing the Delaware River. When you are in a 16ft boat you feel really small next to that ship. It makes some of the tankers and freighters that are on the River look small
I think that calling the space between the ship’s skegs “The Holland Tunnel” is probably a sailor nickname similar to calling the main passageway through the ship “Broadway”. The actual Holland Tunnel is one of the primary road tunnels into New York City. The entrance to it slopes downward at a pretty steep angle, and it has a pretty boxy cross section. If I had to guess, that space between the skegs resembles it enough that the sailors gave it that nickname while in drydock at some point.
Hey Drach any video plans about other navies and their ships from WW2 like Polish,Romanian,Bulgarian,Norwegian,Finnish,Greek,Dutch,Belgian,Yugoslavian,Australian etc.
Also neutral ones like Spain,Sweden,Portugal,Argentine,Turkey etc
It would be nice to know how minor nations used their navy compared to big powers.
the rhythmic drumming, and your heart starts to beat in eager preparation. it is time for THE RUM RATION!!! but where is the great moot of the Ryan Simanski/Drachinifel?!? is there a secret project you two are working on ? are you guys secretly building a new battleship? do you take crew anytime soon?
In before the Azur Lane fans.
Honey-
Too late
Honey!
Hey just because I can appreciate the anime doesn't mean I can't see the beauty of the real ship
"Look at the skegs on her" 🫠🫠🫠
its called the holland tunnel becuse it looks like the holland tunnel entrence. the ship is in new jersey, but if you drive to new york you need to go through the Holland tunnel. i think its even very close to the dockyards at camden...
"Hey baby. So. . . What's below the waterline?"
BB-62 - my beloved
The reason for mismatching the blade counts on the different shafts is to reduce the vibration issues when the Iowa's go full power.
Attempt #4: Do a quick guide on the Akizuki Class IJN Destroyer?
Watching your channel is always an exciting and educational journey. Keep inspiring and teaching us with your videos!🚗🫦🥨
The Holland Tunnel is a tunnel between the states of New York and New Jersey near the Statue of Liberty.
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I’m just imagining a cartoon seagull chomping on a chunk of lard and calmly watching an out of control battleship rocket past.
On a different topic, the question on everyone's lips: How does a survey ship sink on a uncharted reef?
To think that her name now belongs to a submarine.. May that sub have a long and distinguished career. She has a good name.
At 17:10, isn't the Holland Tunnel name a reference to the road tunnel of the same name that leads into Manhattan?
Yes. It was a nicknamed coined by the later 1980s crewman of New Jersey, we suspect its either from the 1987 yard period or the 1990 decommissioning drydock period
The blocks reminds of the Nazca Lines lines 😥😰 1:22
Thinking about the launch, and all that lard getting uptaken by the gulls. The environment around the yard must have been pretty miserable for quite a while after!
There is a dent near the bow of USS New Jersey, wnd nobody really knows how it happened. No recorded incidents of the ship running aground, or collisions. Seems like the right place if the anchor was to be dropped, but nobody is sure
Nuts, others beat me to the Holland Tunnel explanation. In the US it's a National Historic Landmark & managed by the NY Port Authority - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland_Tunnel
7:51 Look ... a pigeon deciding where to go.
I definitely think it's safe to say, looking at the back of this massive vessel, that right, there could be considered, it's achilles.Heel. Granted, it would be an absolute miracle shot, but if a torpedo hit back there, it would be devastating, I believe.😮😮
Just talk to Prince William about that - I'm sure the Prince of Wales could repulse such an attack.
*checks notes*
Actually, never mind.
What is that in the port aft 40mm gun tub at 4:30? It looks like some kind of waste disposal chute but if it's for the museum ship it would be on the river side.
So what's worse? Scrapping the Enterprise or the Warspite?
You should release the head cam footage as an extra.
A big fan of motion sickness? :D
@Drachinifel it's like being on a ship
"We've got a hole below the waterline!"
What is that mining cart looking thing on what appears to be rails under the former Bofors platform on the rear port side ?
Love your videos. I personally have no idea what the truth is, however the are some rather emphatic posts on Quora that insist the famous rudder water brake maneuver is impossible and nothing more than a false myth. I'd like to see more from you on that.
So, how much of a "kid in a candy store" look did you have when you 1st saw her in drydock?
iv'e never been this early before, it feels weird.
Thirteen views, thirteen likes.
We need to keep this up folks.
Holland tunnel or maybe hull end tunnel
First, Ryan is my favorite UA-camr
I don‘t know if the world is ready for an Iowa-class lich
What are the things on the stern just under the ship name?
No wave motion gun?
I love the gut-wrenching sound of it in Space Empires 3.
DAY 82 please could you make a video on what if the Bismarck broke into the Atlantic or what if the the Bismarck made it TO France
Yeahhh never been this early
I'm here so early we still think the mk. 32 is still good
As long as you're not so early that people are talking up the Mk. 14, we're good.
"Not everybody live on east coast of United States"
Shocking, but not everyone live in Untied States period. Wierd i know, especially looking at all alien invasions films.
Your channel is a source of entertainment as well as education. Keep leading us into the world of knowledge and discovery!🫔🏓💄