Degtyarev Upgrades: DP27 vs DPM

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  • @ForgottenWeapons
    @ForgottenWeapons  3 години тому +13

    Enter to win this awesome Semiauto DPM!
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    DEADLINE to ENTER is 10/25/2024 at 11:59 PM PST
    The full version of this video, including range footage and no giveaway segments, and in 4K resolution, is available at the History of Weapons & War app:
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    • @AussieDepresso
      @AussieDepresso 2 години тому +1

      To sad I'm Aussie and can't enter the giveaway lol. Would love to own this piece of beautiful history

  • @gerry343
    @gerry343 3 години тому +96

    What a remarkably silly restriction of not allowing full auto footage on UA-cam.

    • @EvilGuide-xv1pu
      @EvilGuide-xv1pu 2 години тому +21

      Its allowed, people post full auto content all the time. The real issue is it can't be monetized.

    • @choo_choo_
      @choo_choo_ 2 години тому +19

      Yeah it's dumb, but there really isn't any reason he can't post it. It would probably be demonetized, but that's hardly the end of the world, and hardly an excuse to not post. Just makes it seem more like a plug for the subscription while blaming YT like they're the ones forcing him to promote his streaming service.
      Don't get me wrong, I love the dude and his work (and I hate YT), just own up to it and say that the shooting is on the subscription as exclusive content instead of trying to hide it under the guise of "censorship" as if "The Man" won't let you post.

    • @gerry343
      @gerry343 Годину тому +13

      @@EvilGuide-xv1pu The fact that its demonetized just shows they don't really want channels to show it.

    • @beargillium2369
      @beargillium2369 Годину тому +2

      silly isn't quite the right word

    • @EvilGuide-xv1pu
      @EvilGuide-xv1pu Годину тому +4

      @gerry343 That's true, but channels like brandon herrera and small arms solutions post full auto content with no issue. Seeing as those videos don't get taken down full auto isn't banned so there should be no issue showing it.

  • @bramster-b9v
    @bramster-b9v 41 хвилина тому +2

    WOW...... What a flow of words, thought at first that the wrong playback speed was set.

  • @polymathart
    @polymathart 3 години тому +79

    Wholesome Hawaiian shirt Ian smiling behind two Russian machine guns. Truly captures what Forgotten Weapons is all about.

    • @rickymherbert2899
      @rickymherbert2899 2 години тому +2

      I thought Ian was wearing the new "woke" USMC urban camoflague. 😅

    • @VL125
      @VL125 2 години тому +6

      My first though, Ians warlord arc incomming

  • @crazycucumis
    @crazycucumis 3 години тому +11

    What a coincidence, was just reading about those puppies and Ian delivered! Thx!

  • @ShaddySoldier
    @ShaddySoldier 2 години тому +9

    "Im here behind a big pile of machine guns"
    God, i wish that were me.

  • @evantemple4341
    @evantemple4341 Годину тому +3

    Any weapon that you can wrap your hand easily around the receiver is just cool to me

  • @markogronfors3826
    @markogronfors3826 3 години тому +7

    Thanks Ian for the video. During the Winter and Continuation War, the Finns received the weapon as war booty in such large quantities (about 9,000 pcs.) that it replaced the Lahti-Saloranta M/26 rapid-fire rifle in front-line use due to its operational reliability. The weapon remained in use by the Defense Forces until the 1990s. Degtjarjova pehotnyi assault rifles are on display, for example, in the War Museum, where the assault rifle used by President Mauno Koivisto in the Continuation War is also on display. The gun had been hidden for a long time in Törn-Männistö's gun cache, where it was found in 1992 through a report by Arvo Männistö.
    Emma designation
    In Finland, the gun was named Emma because of the association created by the 1930s "Emma" hit and the drum cap that resembles a record. You can see that the cover of the drum magazine rotates when firing.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  2 години тому +5

      Yup, I've seen Koivisto's cached gun on Suomenlinna :)

  • @Milo_1368
    @Milo_1368 3 години тому +14

    Last time I was this early, we could get parts kits and ammo for these for under $200

  • @tsorevitch2409
    @tsorevitch2409 2 години тому +7

    Looks like swap of a stock assembly can make a full MG out of a semi-outo one :-)

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  2 години тому +6

      There is more to is than that, but you don't see it in this video.

    • @andreascook6642
      @andreascook6642 5 хвилин тому

      People who think this have no business working on guns... You probably think you can make an SKS full auto by filing the firing pin

  • @mandrakevermilyea7488
    @mandrakevermilyea7488 3 години тому +9

    Ah yes, machine guns with breakfast. Very good.

  • @BlueLightningHawk
    @BlueLightningHawk Годину тому +5

    Didn't know it was dinnertime already.

  • @arjnarersn01
    @arjnarersn01 3 години тому +11

    At least you can eat off both of them. No upgrades needed

    • @Anino_Makata
      @Anino_Makata 10 хвилин тому

      The real question was if Big Bad Joseph would let you eat, if you didn't meet your monthly quota of inflicted German casualties...

  • @Mis73rRand0m
    @Mis73rRand0m Годину тому

    That spring assembly reminds me of the AR's buffer tube. I could see a proper pistol grip and straight stock cludged on to that thing as a fun fantasy weapon.

  • @102ndsmirnov7
    @102ndsmirnov7 3 години тому +5

    I always thought the difference was only in the stock. Interesting to see what the changes are.

  • @coomman-e4j
    @coomman-e4j 3 години тому +1

    Enjoyed going back and watching your video on the DT. Would like to see it hip fired.

  • @sectpig
    @sectpig 3 години тому +2

    major degtyarev says hi from the zone!

  • @enricopaolocoronado2511
    @enricopaolocoronado2511 3 години тому +16

    Honestly, the DP27 is a really neat looking MG. The massive dinner plate magazine on the top just makes it stand out compared to other MGs used at the time.

    • @romgl4513
      @romgl4513 3 години тому +4

      Unless you compare it to the Lewis MG, then it's kinda more of the same.

    • @jalpat2272
      @jalpat2272 2 години тому +1

      ​@@romgl4513 and don't forget Lewis Big big pp cooling shroud.

    • @lafeelabriel
      @lafeelabriel 2 години тому +1

      Rather steam punk if you ask me. And that's no bad thing really.

    • @lafeelabriel
      @lafeelabriel 2 години тому +1

      @@romgl4513 Only on the outside though.

    • @Anino_Makata
      @Anino_Makata 6 хвилин тому

      The rotary magazine makes it stand out, but what really endeared me to the DP-27/DPM was how brutally simple it was under the hood and the distinctive flapper-lock mechanism.

  • @Mike-ukr
    @Mike-ukr Годину тому +4

    fun fact, enough of these are in use in Ukraine that milticam molle magazine pouches are commercially available

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Годину тому +4

      Got a link? I'd like to get one of those... :)

    • @Mike-ukr
      @Mike-ukr Годину тому

      @@ForgottenWeapons I've sent you the link on your Instagram

  • @sethodell7988
    @sethodell7988 3 години тому +3

    The firing mechanism looks like an exact match of a pps43

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  2 години тому +5

      Most open bolt, full auto only fire control mechanisms are pretty similar.

    • @sethodell7988
      @sethodell7988 2 години тому +2

      @@ForgottenWeapons it always fascinated me how simple the mechanism is.

  • @davidcarr7436
    @davidcarr7436 Годину тому +1

    I wonder if we're going to begin seeing historical documentaries of actual combat footage being "blurred" to hide automatic weapons fire?

  • @1slippery2
    @1slippery2 3 години тому +3

    Very cool!

  • @PlaXeZ
    @PlaXeZ 3 години тому +2

    LMG MOUNTED AND LOADED!

  • @Randomly_Browsing
    @Randomly_Browsing 3 години тому +12

    Now where's the belt fed version RP-46?

    • @MosoKaiser
      @MosoKaiser 3 години тому

      Already done: ua-cam.com/video/fzndMvcgP1w/v-deo.html

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  2 години тому +17

      That video is coming next week.

    • @Randomly_Browsing
      @Randomly_Browsing 2 години тому +4

      @@ForgottenWeapons hehe,ok

  • @Mildcat743
    @Mildcat743 Годину тому +2

    I feel like the hopper feed experiment went nowhere because you need mechanically well designed clips for it and the Mosin clip is distinctly not that.

  • @owen1079
    @owen1079 2 години тому

    Oh you *know* you look cool as hell sitting behind that table sir. Just need an ardbeg to sip on in the background lol

  • @danilonakazone386
    @danilonakazone386 Годину тому +3

    I have a question about pan magazines:
    Does the rotation of the magazine affects recoil? Does it adds lateral movement due to the fact the whole thing is rotating after each shot?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Годину тому +2

      No, you can't tell that it's happening at all.

    • @Anino_Makata
      @Anino_Makata 23 секунди тому

      Its a fairly long action with large mass parts, running at a very controllable cyclic rate. You really shouldn't expect the magazine to do much in terms of affecting recoil impulse, if at all.

  • @lafeelabriel
    @lafeelabriel 2 години тому

    Honestly just that pistol grip is a large step in the right direction right off the bat, as is the different mount for the bipod.

  • @danilonakazone386
    @danilonakazone386 Годину тому

    I love pan-magazines. I feel sad those were used in just few weapons, the Lewis gun is the only other that comes to my mind. Pan magazines are cool!

  • @mars-vr5jv
    @mars-vr5jv 3 години тому +2

    Хороший пулемет , Спасибо за видео ❤❤❤

  • @PitchBlackYeti
    @PitchBlackYeti 2 години тому +2

    Game logic dictates that the upgraded DP obviously has more DPM :)

  • @DevinMoorhead
    @DevinMoorhead 3 години тому +53

    Fricking early gang assemble

  • @JoseHernandez-Mendez
    @JoseHernandez-Mendez 3 години тому

    DIMG-27 (Degtyarev Infantry Machine Gun Model 1927)

  • @redcat9436
    @redcat9436 5 хвилин тому

    When will the WWII Soviet Small Arms book be coming out? I thought it was supposed to ship in September.

  • @assassindude1224
    @assassindude1224 3 години тому +1

    Here from the Fanathem email lol

  • @Snicshavo
    @Snicshavo 3 години тому +2

    Big pile of machineguns 🤤

  • @jankusthegreat9233
    @jankusthegreat9233 3 години тому

    Good morning indeed

  • @ultrablue2
    @ultrablue2 55 хвилин тому +1

    The movie Midway is available to watch for free on UA-cam. The movie, which is based on historical events, features scenes of bombing and torpedoing various ships, aerial dog fights, anti-aircraft gunning, and in one scene, captured US Servicemen tossed overboard and drowned. And yes, many, many machine guns are fired, and mass loss of life depicted. There are ZERO restrictions on its viewing, and it’s but one movie involving guns firing and violence. UA-cam, do you know just how ridiculous you are being, not letting a video detailing the history and function of a firearm is, when you have a movies about war, crime, and violence toward other humans on your platform?

    • @csolivais1979
      @csolivais1979 51 хвилина тому

      That is the the only way to show machine guns firing, is to have it in an artistic setting, i.e.. movies, TV shows.

    • @kutter_ttl6786
      @kutter_ttl6786 32 хвилини тому

      ​@@csolivais1979Is that why Garand Thumb's intros have been increasingly getting more theatrical? 🤔 The one he did for the OG 1911 was pretty damn incredible.

  • @coreyortiz7149
    @coreyortiz7149 2 години тому +1

    Tachankaaaaa!

  • @ParrotTactical
    @ParrotTactical 3 години тому +3

    Is it possible to put the shooting in a separate video and accept that it will be demonetized? Guns need to stay on UA-cam where people who don’t specifically seek them out still come across them. I understand if it would get you a channel strike or something, but if it’s just demonetization, please consider taking the hit.

    • @ParrotTactical
      @ParrotTactical 2 години тому +6

      @@zehnerdygamer3329 Ian deserves all the success in the world, he’s the best. I just think the paywall might work better in the form of questions answered directly by him (kind of an access to a celebrity type thing) than limiting videos that might attract more people to the hobby.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  2 години тому +9

      I want to have a viable platform available when UA-cam finally puts the last nail in gun content, and that requires building it now, not waiting. HOWW for the time being is paying more to our other 7 creators than UA-cam, but it's in the red for me to support. So yeah, I want to build it up while balancing peoples' expectations of 4 free videos per week.

    • @ParrotTactical
      @ParrotTactical 2 години тому +1

      @@ForgottenWeapons understood- thanks for all you do!
      Edit: of course hoping UA-cam never does that, but appreciate the contingency planning as early as possible

    • @contactacb
      @contactacb Годину тому +1

      ​ @zehnerdygamer3329 (who has I've noticed has been deleted presumably for snark) that on the other less strict but free sites more and more full vids aren't being cross posted like they were, that's the issue with a hobby becoming a job - it's all about the $$$ - if you think about the income required to have a comfortable life, plus healthcare, 401k as well as all the travelling, weapons collecting and competition shooting & the production costs of good content that's a heck of a lot of cash to have to turnover in a month so you have to see it both ways

  • @AsbestosMuffins
    @AsbestosMuffins 18 хвилин тому

    the solution to loosing the bipod was to make it worse!

  • @edwardhawkey5714
    @edwardhawkey5714 41 хвилина тому

    Hey Ian, love the shirt.
    Are you on Hawaii????

  • @Ben_not_10
    @Ben_not_10 15 хвилин тому

    I am watching this on Playuer since UA-cam hates full auto.

  • @abudankmeme1477
    @abudankmeme1477 2 години тому +2

    Wheres RP-46 video ?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  2 години тому +5

      Coming in a week.

    • @abudankmeme1477
      @abudankmeme1477 2 години тому +2

      @@ForgottenWeapons watching the variations video rn thanks will watch it too

  • @fuatozturk2794
    @fuatozturk2794 2 години тому

    emeğine sağlık

  • @BishopGantry
    @BishopGantry 2 години тому

    Is there any reason why pan magazines fell out of favour, wht are the drawbacks that youd give up that high capacity?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Годину тому

      They are really clumsy to carry. Basically everyone went to belts instead by the late 40s or early 50s.

    • @MrNexor-cj8gs
      @MrNexor-cj8gs Годину тому

      They started using belt fed.

  • @Carmen-Isabella-Sandiego
    @Carmen-Isabella-Sandiego Годину тому

    If the Soviets had the RP 46 belt fed variant in 1941 they would have had a serious competitor with the MG 34 and MG 42 a year later.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Годину тому +1

      On paper...in practice the 34 and 42 are both much better guns than the RP46.

    • @Carmen-Isabella-Sandiego
      @Carmen-Isabella-Sandiego 31 хвилина тому

      @@ForgottenWeapons, if I recall the RP 46 was just an attachment that attached to a DP 28 like the standard magazines. Perhaps if they could have used the DP 28 in both magazine fed and belt fed conversions that would have had some added benefit for certain situations.

  • @RayleeRaven567
    @RayleeRaven567 3 години тому

    yeah

  • @Chiboza
    @Chiboza 2 години тому

    Both sides in Ukraine still use record player (mostly in rear, against the drones, mounted on technicals)

  • @OlujaDoTokija
    @OlujaDoTokija 2 години тому

    Why is the range footage only available only on History of Weapons & War and not on Playeur like it was with previous range segments?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Годину тому +1

      An oversight on my part, which I am fixing now - sorry!

    • @OlujaDoTokija
      @OlujaDoTokija Годину тому

      @@ForgottenWeapons Thanks a ton for the quick response and fix!

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Годину тому +1

      It's transcoding now; not sure how long it will take their server to finish that but it's set to be visible as soon as it's done processing.

  • @andreweisen99
    @andreweisen99 3 години тому +3

    I wonder why the Rp46 didn't get more attention

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  2 години тому +3

      I have a full video on the RP46 coming next week.

  • @greycatturtle7132
    @greycatturtle7132 3 години тому

    Arthur Shelby gun

  • @sorryociffer
    @sorryociffer 3 години тому +2

    The Rooskie “Bren”….

  • @DeltaFart95
    @DeltaFart95 3 години тому +2

    What would it take to make that magazine NJ compliant? 🤔 Lol kidding kidding

    • @fan-a-them
      @fan-a-them 2 години тому +1

      hahaha. I'm originally from NJ. To make it NJ compliant, you'd need to use a wooden version similar to the one Michael Keaton handed Will Ferrel in "The other guys"

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Годину тому

      Talk to a NJ lawyer, but as far as I can tell, you could legally have a semiauto DP27 if it was the DP27 and not DPM (no pistol grip) and you welded on the booster - on the semiauto guns the muzzle cone is closed up to act as a booster and doesn't function as a flash hider. For magazines, if you put on an RP-46 belt-feed adapted you could run 10-round belt segments legally. How's that for an unintended consequence? Belt feed is okay but magazines aren't? :)

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Годину тому

      smggunsstore.com/284-rp46/53-45-40-75-rp46-belt-feeder-attachment.html#/31-package_type-belt_feeder_kit_only

  • @TheJamesthe13
    @TheJamesthe13 Годину тому +4

    You know lotteries and Raffles are just another tax on the poor...

    • @leewilkinson6372
      @leewilkinson6372 Годину тому +6

      Tax isn't voluntary.
      Raffles and lotteries are.

  • @Zfickoff
    @Zfickoff 3 години тому

    Oooooooooh yea :3

  • @deathvulture5974
    @deathvulture5974 2 години тому

    Dinner plate 28

  • @bennibasisch8527
    @bennibasisch8527 2 години тому +5

    Dude I‘m not gonna download an extra app with subscription just to see some guys shooting old soviet stuff. I can watch that as combat footage, unfortunately.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  2 години тому +1

      You can also get it for $1/month through Patreon, FYI.

    • @OlujaDoTokija
      @OlujaDoTokija 2 години тому

      @@ForgottenWeapons I'm subbed on Playeur but can't find the range footage there, unlike previous full auto range segments.

    • @b.a.hwyndham893
      @b.a.hwyndham893 2 години тому

      UA-cam wins. Censorship wins. You're a mooroon

    • @csolivais1979
      @csolivais1979 48 хвилин тому

      ​@OlujaDoTokija that was a mistake on his part. Wil be there shortly, Ian said in another comment.

    • @OlujaDoTokija
      @OlujaDoTokija 31 хвилина тому

      @@csolivais1979 Yeah, he replied to me :)

  • @JoshuaNicoll
    @JoshuaNicoll 3 години тому +2

    Last time I was this early Stalingrad was under seige

  • @rodom303
    @rodom303 3 години тому

    I’d sell my son’s kidney for one of these.

  • @stevelewis7263
    @stevelewis7263 2 години тому +2

    How come UA-cam allows other posts showing FULL AUTOMATIC weapons being fired, it smacks of DISCRIMINATION, SUE UA-cam for MEGA-BUCKS.

    • @ΣτελιοςΠεππας
      @ΣτελιοςΠεππας 2 години тому +1

      They're probably demonetized though.

    • @leewilkinson6372
      @leewilkinson6372 Годину тому +1

      You tube is a private entity and can do as it will. We forget this.
      Ian and some friends started their own platform where you can watch the content you tube don't allow..... but I'll bet it cost serious money to start it up.
      That said, you could start your own platform and make your own rules....

  • @pitzo5555
    @pitzo5555 3 години тому

    dinner plate for the W

  • @RalphIvanDelaTonga
    @RalphIvanDelaTonga 3 години тому

    30th place

  • @dak4465
    @dak4465 3 години тому

    P I Z Z A

    • @sarath431
      @sarath431 2 години тому

      No...... P I E

  • @Jonny-tr9qo
    @Jonny-tr9qo 3 години тому +3

    I hate giveaways they are scams knock it off Ian

    • @AdamWest84
      @AdamWest84 2 години тому +4

      Just out of curiosity, how is it a scam? Big gamble, yes, because the odds of winning are relatively small. However my understanding is that Ian has really given away every gun he's done a giveaway on. A scam would be saying that they'd give the gun away if enough people bought the collectibles, then claiming the goal wasn't reached and keeping the guns. I don't think that's what Ian does, he seems to be a pretty stand up guy.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  2 години тому +8

      No, they are not. I totally understand if you don't want to participate, but I send the guns to the winners directly (well, to their FFLs) myself each month.

    • @leewilkinson6372
      @leewilkinson6372 Годину тому

      This content costs money to make. There aren't alot of adds on his videos, and he doesn't promote a bunch of questionable gun schools or junk peddlers in mid video.
      I think a raffle is a perfect idea, it's completely voluntary and keeps the channel running for us to enjoy.