StarCitizen F8C Rant. It's NOT OP, You're just dumb!
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Hey its been awhile, im still here and im finally working on some more youtube stuff after 4 months, but i had to get another one of my low effort videos out to try and nip some of this in the bud.
F8C Stats for perspective, sense the haters don't use their brain ill post this here for them.
-6th highest overall fighter DPS, and ranking 5th highest single pilot fighter dps.
-4th or 5th highest fighter scm speed which is actually good and kinda surprising for a heavy but still not the best, and i personally think heavys should have the highest speed, sense they have the worst agility..
-3rd place in heavy fighter acceleration (which means its automatically slower than all light and medium fighters when it comes to changing direction)
-2nd highest turning stats of a heavy fighter, which means its automatically lower than medium and light fighters.
-Has the smallest guns of anything called a heavy fighter (which will screw it when armor comes out)
-Has the fewest and smallest missiles out of any heavy fighter out there
-Dead average shields for a heavy fighter now that the shield bug has been fixed, it has the same shields as any other twin S2 shield heavy fighter, of which their are several.
Aside from being the fastest fighter (which it was always suppose to be because its not a new ship and was concepted a LONG time ago)..
what part of this thing is overpowered??
TLDR: The community is half of the problem and reason the game sucks. Dear community Plz stop trying to ruin things that work as intended and make everything shit, K, thanks, bye.
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F8C Stats for perspective, sense the haters dont use their brain ill post this here for them.
-6th highest overall fighter DPS, and ranking 5th highest single pilot fighter dps.
-4th or 5th highest fighter scm speed which is actually good and kinda surprising for a heavy but still not the best, and i personally think heavys should have the highest speed, sense they have the worst agility..
-3rd place in heavy fighter acceleration (which means its automatically slower than all light and medium fighters when it comes to changing direction)
-2nd highest turning stats of a heavy fighter, which means its automatically lower than medium and light fighters.
-Has the smallest guns of anything called a heavy fighter (which will screw it when armor comes out)
-Has the fewest and smallest missiles out of any heavy fighter out there
-Dead average shields for a heavy fighter now that the shield bug has been fixed, it has the same shields as any other twin S2 shield heavy fighter, of which their are several.
Aside from being the fastest fighter (which it was always suppose to be because its not a new ship and was concepted a LONG time ago)..
what part of this thing is overpowered??
@@nikelon8227 it has 6x s2 and 2x s3
also things like the infero just ignore shields and directly attack the hull/kill targets without ever dropping the shields.. but noone complains about that thing or its 70% shield bypass.. or the fact that its just as tanky as the F8 and has more single pilot DPS, and doesnt need to even shoot through the shields lol.
noone complains that the alien fighters (glave and scythe" with twin S5 guns that do more damage than this thing or the ion/inferno. noone complains a scorpious is 2x more agile that this thing and has much more dps with 8x s3 guns and 2x the missiles or more.
the funniest thing is you complain about the F8 killing C2s, but when armor comes out it wont beable to pen or damage C2s cuz the guns are tiny. it will be one of the worst most niche fighters.. you're literally complaining that something isnt in the game and its OP. by that logic mass swarms of light fighters shouldnt be allowed to win or take down corvettes or other larger ships either. that would be OP, but they do, not because of a fault of the ship. but because CIG is crap at their job 12 years in and we STILL dont have a basic armor system which is a core feature.. no actually its MORE IMPORTANT than a core feature, its a BASE feature that isnt even there.
@@nikelon8227 it doesnt have 4x S3 where TF are u getting that from? LITERALLY LOOK AT ERKURL, or use your eyes in game to look at the ship.
it has 1 S3 turret which gives you 2x S2 (in its default config, OR you can remove it infavor of 1x S3 (idk why you would do this sense its a Net DPS loss))
It also has 1x S3 weapon mount on each wing, which gives you a MAX of 3x S3 and 4x S2 for a max of 7 guns & a DPS loss vs the default loadout which is 6x S2 and 2x s3.
you can gimbal the fixed wing stations but then youre running 2x S1 and 6x S2 all gimbaled.
are you trying to count the bespoke Gimbaled S2 only nose mount guns as S3 even though they chant be changed for fixed S3 guns? How tf do you get your numbers? I have one of these i can literally show you in the loadout page, or erkul that youre talking completely out your ass right now.
IF you're going to have an opinion on something and scream about how OP it is. then you should at-least know what TF you're talking about, and the reality of what a ships loadout is in the real world. Instead of screaming about the made up Cocaine fueled boogeyman fantasies of a ship that exists entirely in your nightmares/hate boner fueled psychosis.
@@nikelon8227 so are light fighters with their insane speed and agility and ability to kill ships they shouldn't multiple times larger than them, while avoiding ALL return fire sense they can simply evasion tank the target due to having raw agility stats 20x better than the target.. but Nah Thats not Op. thats MUH SKILL HURRRRRRRRRRR. I bet ya think the earth is flat too.
what is with the obsession/mentality that new ships have to be trash or worse than the LF meta garbage?
@@nikelon8227 you cant take those gimbals off thats the point. so unless CIG messed something up in the last 2-3 weeks (which is possible they are quite dumb, but even if you could that's a bug and will get fixed, and should not get counted against the ship. though im still 80% sure you cant take those gimbals off as that was the 1st thing i tried in the past, afaik u cant even mount the turrets to the wing slots anymore and get the 10 gun setup either which was another bug it use to have)
their is no way to remove those gimbals with a tractor or port unlock. so again unless you can show me video of this, youre talking out youre ass. Your current change in tune and willingness to run away all of a sudden is because now you know youre wrong, and youre trying to leave with a poorly laid smoke screen/diversion.
Yep, its a superiority heavy fighter. Mainly meant to attack the Scythe and Glaive. A good pilot can still hang and take out an F7 and gladius with one, but an experienced arrow or F7 pilot will keep out of its forward weapons and kill it. The F8 is good as an all around heavy multirole fighter, but its not invincible as it isnt as maneuverable as a light fighter. Really comes down to the pilot, their skill, and knowing their ships pros/cons/role.
lol even the atomic bomb is not a no-brainer ultimate weapon. The commander should understand throughly how to use it, against which target for what purpose. Does this make a nuke not OP? Come on lol
It was designed to kill the vanduul stinger, wait until that comes on sale haha
I took out some of those op fighters with my fury.... and I own also one... so it comes to skill and maneuverbility...
I really do love f8c lightning. The look, and the many gun for pilot to pew pew, but honestly i need this accurate review more than hyping every new ship coming out.
Thank you so much for making this video fr. Totally agree with you on every front.
Your last words "the community is whats wrong with this game" .....is a pretty blanket statement. Im part of this community and so are the rest of your viewers...is that really the message you want me to take?
yeah and so am i, so whats your point?
don't take rants or life in general too seriously; you will never make it out alive. ;)
Or, you know... truth hurts
What exactly does that have to do with the point of the video though.
Yeah, and? It's true. Sometimes we have to acknowledge that there are issues within our own community. While it might not be the most uplifting message, we need to address problems if we want to see improvements, being a person who can’t take critics doesn’t bode well.
I agree with you Dragon, the community as a whole has degraded so much over the years it's becoming pretty much toxic on a daily. And the comment from whoever made the video is irrelevant and dumb on his part. If you don't want to deal with responses from your own rant, just stay off youtube. Taking a rant too seriously, sounds like some people taking the game too seriously.
Either way, the ship is great, it's a great fighter and the community knows it. It can make you a good pilot without any experience, and if you're a great pilot it will make you even better. But that doesn't mean there are not even better pilots that can take you down, and thats in any ship you fly. Just buy the ships that you love, thats all that matters =).
A big problem is people don't accept that they suck. They think they are really good and should always win. When they lose, they call the thing that beat them OP instead of looking at themselves.
You shouldn't get in a brawl with a heavy fighter if you're not good enough to keep your light fighter out of its fire. You can't say that it's impossible, people have posted vids of beating F8Cs easily with Arrows and Gladiuses. If you can't do it, accept that you need more practice and get good.
The first step is always accepting that you have a problem.
Not being funny A1 beat it with a damn fury! Like if he can do that then it's not op is it 😂😂
I really do agree with your statement that the community is the problem. People need to understand not every ship will be the best. It’s okay to have “meta” ships. The “Newest” and most advanced fighter in lore should be OP…. But that doesn’t make other ships bad. Oh you don’t like the F8? Well don’t fly it, you have to fight against it? Well tag team it with a buddy. You don’t have a buddy? Well then fly away. And at the end of the day the F8 isn’t that OP when a Hammerhead rolls up and absolutely wrecks havoc on a squadron of fighters… BECAUSE THATS WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED FOR. But then people will turn around and say the Large Anti Fighter ship is OP, they can’t kill it in their fighter…. Like come on guys
heck a F8C wont even beable to deal with things like Connies,corsair, redeemers when the armor system comes out cuz their guns are too small. Corvettes like you said will also completely ignore this thing.
Here are some other stats that prove this thing isnt the best. It is the highest in top speed for a fighter,
however it is
6th highest overall fighter DPS, and ranking 5th highest single pilot fighter dps.
4th or 5th highest fighter scm speed which is actually kinda surprising for a heavy.
3rd place in heavy fighter acceleration (which means its automatically slower than all light and medium fighters when it comes to changing direction)
Has the smallest guns of anything called a heavy fighter (which will screw it when armor comes out)
Dead average shields for a heavy fighter now that the shield bug has been fixed, it has the same shields as any other twin S2 shield heavy fighter, of which their are several.
And it has the fewest and smallest missiles out of any heavy fighter out there
It should be op it's the fucking f-8 lightning for fuck sake
i agree, but try explaining that to the crowd who thinks "we hate everything that isn't a light fighter, look at me im so skilled at this game cuz i have 3-4x better maneuvering than you" "Err i mean its totally all my skill and nothing else, everyone should just get good, muh tricord skills hurrr"
The F8A and F8C were always designed to be the F-22 of SC
Where the Scorpius was its direct competitor (think the YF-23) had some direct advantages over the F8A (if we draw parallels to the 5th gen competition in the US).
The thing still is the F8A is doing its job, the Scorp will be on par with the F8A once AI comes in.
However people complaining right now also have to understand. This is Tier ZERO of balancing. We are just barely heading into Tier 1 balance that is flight combat, mater mode and maneuvering. Tier 2 will probably be Defensive that is Armor and Shielding (as well probably introducing armor types: harden, reactive and reflective, and shield types: Kenetic defense, Energy and EM). Then Tier 3 will most likely be weapon rebalancing with the introduction of weapon and ship tuning. So I do find it funny that people are getting bent over due to something that's probably going to change in a few years until the final incorporation of the systems are molded into one.
I already thought it was not op, didn't think of the shields, but rest of your points I did. Using your brain is hard for a lot of people
Not to forget how wide the ship is and how large of a cross section it has from top. Get on top or below, and you have a huge target you can't miss. The community always whines about new ships, because they don't understand they have downsides too. When yhe Corsair came out, everyone was whining about it's pilot fire power, it wasn't nerfed but meanwhile nobody thinks it's OP anymore.
I 100% agree with you. People arrrre stupid. Common sense ,You’re right the ion, MSR etc Etc. Thanks for this video. I have subscribed too your site.
People always bitch about that one magical 4000 DPS number they saw in some youtube video where a guy showed a cropped screenshot from Erkul, while ignorant to the fact that to get that number, you need to abuse a glitch to equip even more guns.
But honesty makes for poor clickbait.
Only those who know jack shit about the game, complain that the F8C is OP.
Thank you for pointing it out.
Side note in edit: the A1 Spirit has the same bubble shield bug with S2 generators, so some issues may be patch-specific rather than ship-specific.
yeah i saw that, im not sure what they are doing with the ships and shields at this point tbh, cig is always doing weird stuff with out any kinda reason and creating their own problems..
Thank you for saying what was needed to be said
It's either
1- "Don't nerf me bro"
2- You truly believe what you say, naively fooled yet again by CIG. Do you really believe the bubble shield is a bug? It's an "intended bug" to make the ship feel better and more intere$ting to the player$.
I understand what you are saying here. But last night, a single f8c wiped a group of 4 of us bounty hunting. We had
Connie, Vanguard, Corsair, and an Inferno. We beat on him for 15 minutes and he took us all out. The Connie, corsair and inferno all had ballistics. We landed hit continuously. Did very little to no damage. We all had the best equipment on our ships and are all experienced PVP bounty hunters. We fought 3 different battles vs 3 different pilots, and we lost every battle. Our inferno pilot is a total sweat. It's just pointless and not fun.
The f8 is like a space f22 is supposed to be op
No clue what this game is. Got randomly recommended this vid. Very good tho.
Turn back now, for the sake of your wallet. But you're welcome to join anyway lmao
It's a game? That spaceship costs real money and it itself is not real?
@@arenomusic did you think you could buy a real space ship
@@krokenlochen Life is not fucking fair man
You live under a rock for the last 12 years?
My main problem with the F8 is it's top speed. Now I know this won't be as much of an issue with Master Modes but right now the thing is way faster than it should be. It can disengage and outrun anything including most missiles. This alone makes it OP as it can just decide to leave at any moment so there is no real danger in any encounter. Even those kills scored against it with Arrows and Glads were only because the F8 pilots didn't know enough to disengage. If they did they would have never been killed. Other than that it's fine as is once they sort out the shield problem.
If you force a ship to disengage it's a win
@@aerouant7685 No it isn't... All "Disengage" means is temporarily move away so your shields can recharge... It does not in any way mean "Run Away".
Edit: Explanation of Disengage: You mix it up with all power to weapons until your shields are at about 1/4 strength then boost straight past your opponent so they have to do a 180 to follow. In the F8 you are already out of most ship's gun range before they can even turn around and follow. Switch all power to Shields and have them back to full in a few quick seconds then switch back to all power to weapons and go back in. Players who know how to do this properly are all but invincible in the F8 right now.
Couldnt agree more on the weapon damage for Ion amd Inferno. TTK in general is laughably high. If the weapkns got buffed all arphnd... the F8c dies. The issue is that everyone wants their ship.to be indestructible, so we get this low damage meta
I'd buy the F7A. Sexy ship. I'm crossing my fingers for the Ares un-nerf lol
the F7A does actually look good. the rest of the F7s are uggggly though.. atleast imo.
facts@@TheAngriestGamer.
My big potential issue is that the F8 on paper is a straight upgrade from any medium fighter. Have not tested yet but my Sabre feels like it may be obsolete.
well the F8 is a heavy fighter, its not a medium.
The F8C is a heavy that punches down, and is geared towards dogfighting like the Scorpius.
the F8A is also a heavy fighter, and its more of a generalist like the Hurricane and Vanguards, they like to punch across.
@TheAngriestGamer. I definitely understand that, and it's kind of my point. The F8 is a heavy fighter that strays too far into the category of medium. I believe the Saber is the most maneuverable of the medium fighters, and the F8 is ever so slightly slower in pitch and yaw, faster in roll and pulls more Gs according to Erkul. On top of that is has stronger hull, stronger shields, more quantum fuel, more missiles and more firepower. All I'm saying is that on paper, there is not a single category where the Sabre is better. Usually, different ships are trade-offs, but the F8 is a straight upgrade in all respects. Now granted, this is all on paper and there might be something that shows up in an actual encounter but those are my 2 cents.
@@connorbennett1517 i think some of the alien ships are classed as mediums. dont quote me though.. another part of the problem is CIG doesn't know how to class or build/design ships to fit their intended roles so it gets quite tricky. the cutty black for example is classed as a medium fighter according to CIG.
Mediums currently are just plain bad and need a lot of love.. I share the same opinion on fighters as subliminal, i think Medium fighters should be meta, with Light and heavy fighters having their own niches/roles. Lights should not be the best fighter in the universe and of story.
i should do a video on this topic at some point.
@TheAngriestGamer. Would be cool if you did a video on that. And I completely agree about the classifications. CIG just seems to spin a wheel when classifying ships. As for Mediums being Meta, as long as you mean all around decent then I agree. They should be able to punch below, above and across but not dominate in any area.
@@connorbennett1517 yeah i meant middle of the road, jack of all traits.
LF should have the best maneuvering and least firepower & defense, like they do now, but the gap in raw stats between the classes should NOT be as huge as it is now.
mediums should be middle of the road on firepower, health and maneuvering.
heavies should have the worst manuvering, highest firepower, tank, and top speed. but as a result they weigh a ton which results in them drifting and having trouble keeping up with the agility of lighter fighters.. kinda like what we have now, but again not as extreme when it comes to the difference in agility.
its impossible for a heavy fighter without a turret to beat a LF currently because the raw numbers in agility are just too overwhelming.. Unless the LF is a moron and flies straight at you.. but then thats a Skill issue on the LFs fault.
I also HATE master modes as a concept and how its implemented. we dont need to scrap the flight model we have now, it needs a heavy dosage of tuning.
Currently we have
Lfs with 200 maneuvering and like 20gs of accel.
Mediums with like 155 ish and 10g
and heavies with 120 and 6.5g
i would change the numbers to something like this
LF 200 & 10g (top speed 1.0-1.1k)
MF 175 & 8g (top speed 1.1k)
HF 150 & 6.5g (top speed 1.2k)
this is super rough and i only spent 10 seconds thinking about it, but you get the idea. it narrows the gap so its not as oppressive.
"It's not the ship, it's the pilot"
Thank you for the thoughts. You made a lot of good points. I appreciate it.😊
I bought not only for the firepower, but also the design
Balance it with scorpion (high hull, low shield). So the F8C needs high shield, low hull.
This is a classic case of the "have nots" trying to hold back those who have. I don't buy fighters, but I'm happy for everyone who received their F8C! Unfortunately, all the crying from the brokies will lead to a nerf.
Good video, the way they sold it was shitty and felt even shittier to me having not had an opportunity to purchase it due to attending citizencon and some family emergencys. Limited sales are old news but limited sales with a required in game component feel terrible as you must be at a computer that is able to run SC in order to earn / purchase it
Honestly I don't feel op while in it, I have died in it to npc's I am also not good pilot but it does give me confidence when people say it's op lol
I find it absolutely wild, that people think the F8C is OP at all.
comparing it to the vanguard, scorpius, and hurricane, you get less pilot DPS on these 3... sure, but your lesser mobility to LF meta is helped by having a 2nd gunner, that can AIM BACK AT A CHASER, something the F8C cannot do AT ALL. the Vanny has beds, storage, you can live in it. you can't in the F8. the scorpius can have an EMP. I'm seeing a trend here, all the "competitor" ships to the F8C do something that it cannot, so why is it so bad that this highly specialised, fighter destroyer, that you cannot live in. or Ewar, or defend your 6 in, is so OP?
"it has better acceleration and *braking* than arrow" riiight.... but the arrow is WAYYYY more agile, what use is any amount of guns if you can't get them on target?
"it's as fast as a racer" riiiiight except it isn't try racing a razor in your lightning, see who wins.
"faster than any light fighter" faster how? top speed, accel, pitch/yaw/roll? how does it not make sense that the DEDICATED FIGHTER SHIP has the best mobility of it's class when it's not designed to care about a co-pilot, or turret traversal or comfort features like the others? it has to have SOMETHING over the other heavies, otherwise what's the point in taking it at all?
a good squadron of players won't rely solely on the F8 in droves to be successful, in fact the best squad will likely only have 1 or 2 F8's per 3-5 Light and medium fighters, because the lights and mediums do SO much better in team fights with their increased agility, hell I'd rather be in my hornet in a squad fight, than the F8, but I'd want an F8 to call on in the squad
thats the irony, its not even more agile than ANY of the light fighters, it doesn't have the accel or roll pitch yaw rates superior to any lf.
its on part with a few medium, kinda, but even the mediums are better than this.
its true that this is one of the best heavy fighters in terms of agility, but even the scorpious and Banu Defender still out preforms it slightly in sustained turn rates and agility. so its the 3rd best heavy fighter in agility, and the best heavy in raw top speed so it can run. but it is heavy and takes awhile to counter its own mass to change directions, its not like a LF which can casually slide in any direction at 15+g
its like some people here have said, its a classic case of the have nots getting all up in a stink and trying to ruin things for everyone else, and they are joining forces with the "light fighters should be the only viable combat ship in the game" crowd and creating a huge shitstorm of feedback, that will likely lead to this ship getting the Ares treatment.
Nice rant dude, agree completely. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the San"Tok Yai.
Thank you for this video... It helped me recover from BuzzCutPsycho's idiotic rant about OP and "will be nerfed"
The F8C is a "space superiority fighter". It has ONE role and that is to kill enemy fighters. Much of the "competition" are much more versitile and have multiple potential roles in the game. The F8C is designed for one role and it is perfectly tuned for that role.
The F8C is a specialized ship; it is supposed to be among the best at is specific role.
The ships peopel are comparing to the F8C are multirole ships with much more versitile options. The comparision to the Warden is a silly comparision as they are different ships for different roles. The Warden can do a lot more in game than the F8C can.
To be clear... I don't own the F8C as I can't justify the $$$ in my budget. But I can justify what it is and that it is perfect for its role.
Some other data that will make you feel good then is the F8C has:
-6th highest overall fighter DPS, and ranking 5th highest single pilot fighter dps.
-4th or 5th highest scm speed for any fighter.
-3rd place in heavy fighter acceleration (which means its automatically slower than all light and medium fighters when it comes to changing direction)
-Has the smallest guns of anything called a heavy fighter (which will screw it when armor comes out)
-Dead average shields for a heavy fighter now that the shield bug has been fixed, it has the same shields as any other twin S2 shield heavy fighter, of which their are several. it can only face tank HALF the damage it use to. wasn't even a nerf, just a fix.
-And it has the fewest and smallest missiles out of any heavy fighter out there
It does have the highest Top speed of any fighter, but with heavy fighter acceleration rates it takes time too get there, it also preforms like poo in atmo. It also has medium fighter roll rates, but the sustained Y&P turn speed is right there inline with other heavy/medium fighters.
I wonder what part of this makes this fighter so OP?? why do people hate it so much?
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Can someone tell me why the F8C needs to have a top speed of 1337 m/s? (MM coming soon is not a valid answer).
so it can break contact/reset the fight with the LFs & MFs that out turn it, and so it can dart over to where its needed quickly.
Thats like asking why a F15 is Mach 2.5 but a F16 is only Mach 2. its almost as if Heavy fighters should & DO go faster than light fighters, cuz they are built to do different things..
Its also like asking why a MBT goes 55mph and has more armor than an IFV that's limited to 43 mph. IDK billy, bit strange innit?
@@TheAngriestGamer. I do not need real life comparison - that is useless. I want to know why that ONE fighter has to be so fast that it breaks the game balance in this particular characteristic.
@@DrPet80 ok then. Its fast cuz speed is in the name. F8 Lightning *//Ba-Dum-Tss meme.gif//*
also idk if you know what LEET is or "1337", but im pretty sure the speed was a joke by the devs and will get addressed at some point..
I for one think that all heavy fighters should outrun lights and mediums, but they should have bad acceleration cuz of the mass. That way they have an 'out' if they need it, and the more agile fighters can counter less skilled heavy's that try to turn fight them. If lights and mediums do everything that a heavy does but better, then theirs no point in using heavy fighters, more firepower doesn't mean anything if you never get to use it. besides having more HP doesn't matter if all it does is prolong your suffering. they really need to revisit the whole LF/MF/HF agility curve in general. If a LF is doing 200/60/60 then a MF should be doing something like 175/51/51 and a heavy should be 150/42/42 cuz the current Agility Gaps are WAY too huge. Heavy fighters are trash cuz they are only like 120/31/31 atm and they get smoked by everything.
Also Im happy to report that the F8 got some fixes in 3.21 like i said it would in the video.
The shields have been fixed in the patch, so it is now a Front/back style shield like literally every other S2 shield is and the holes should also be addressed (or at-least less of an issue.) either way this ship is much more fragile now that it only has 10k hp per facing like it was suppose to. So that should cut down on some of the complaining, then again probably not knowing how the SC community is...
Oh the A1s shields also got fixed and are now F/B style shields too. They really need to give that ship series a 2nd S2 though..
Its a superiority fighter. Its in the name, if it has superiority, it should win. What is it superior too? Classes below it, so light or medium fighters. It should lose to heavies and above. Because of this, it needs to be able to attain control of the fight with these classes and outdo DPS in controlled fights. Which, that speed and its death by a thousand cuts approach allows it to do.
@@user-cr9ts1cp8c this is so much BS and you even do not recognise it. LOL
So you tell me, buying a $300 ship makes you the winner. And you justify it by the concept "superior fighter". LOL
Like the UA-camr here who justifies the speed by the name "Lightning". wow!
btw. the youtuber here telling a part of his audience it is just dump. Later he is justifying the superiority by RL comparison and other brain gymastics.
All to prevent his and others new toy from a serious balancing.
Balancing, you know, this thing that makes a game playable for everyone - not just the whales.
So your saying, it's not over powered, every other ship is underpowered because game systems dont exist yet and possibly wont be for years. So until other the systems are actually implemented the ship is a little over powered. Cause power is relative not theoretical. I'm stoked to see the ship out so owners can enjoy it, but the lack of game systems are highlighted now with the ship releasing ahead of them.
no im not saying everything is underpowered at the moment, im saying NOTHING Is even remotely working as it should and that people shouldn't be worried about balancing things with 1/8th of the games features implemented, and the fighter isnt over powered, and people need to stop bitching and trying to ruin things that are objectively fine and preforming within the general guidelines of where they should be given their task/purpose.
the only thing objectively under powered is the Ares Ion/inferno because their guns are useless and need to be doing 2x their current damage to even remotely be-able to do their job of anti-capital/larger ships.
the missing features wont just affect this thing, armor and weapon reworks will change EVERYTHING. Light fighters will no-longer be turbo unkillable ass cancer and be able to just gang up on big ships and tare them apart, because they wont carry guns big enough to actually threaten the larger ships or get through their armor.
currently were just flying around shooting raw damage at raw hull, so everything can kill everything.
Also as i said before about the weapons, their is little to no difference between size 1 and size 4 guns right now cuz everything has the same range, similar damage, same velocity etc etc etc. that also will not be the case in the future.
@@TheAngriestGamer. I dont think you're grasping the over/under powered is relative to what is, not relative to what will be. I understand adding systems to the game will drastically affect the meta of the game and the power levels of certain things. You say the ship isnt overpowered but that it is a ship that does exactly what it's designed to. By that logic the fact that, by the standards of game play currently, most other ships are not performing according to their intended design. So technically the fact that this ship is performing to a standard that will be balanced by the addition of future systems means that it is over performing, or overpowered, based on the lack of said systems that will lower the ships abilities to, for instance, take on ships more easily than they would when things like armor are involved. So when other systems come online the ship will fall into its niech. I'm not saying the ship should be nerfed, I'm saying they shouldnt have released a ship that is over powered due to the lack of systems to balance it. Now we just wait on the tug of war of either leave it as the most powerful solo ship in the game until these systems come online, which could be quite some time, or nerf the ship. Neither of which is a fun or sustainable position.
basically, the game is not finished, the game is not only about fighting and firepower, everything could be changed at anytime, so comparing only about "how strong the ship is in battle" is kinda pointless and only creates anxiety among the community.
I understand ur points about ship armor in the future, but right now, the ship is objectively OP. It is very maneuverable for having 8 weapons, and while having 8 smaller weapons instead of a few bigger weapons might be worse in the future, right now it's OP. I do agree that CIG should fix the ship first, but I think it should also still have some nerfs to keep it from being the only fighter that people use. (Given that they have it) I don't want the F8C to be nerfed into the ground like some other ships (cough, Ares Ion), it should be powerful, but also shouldn't be this good compared to other ships.
I agree wholeheartedly I got spanked by a hurricane easily and also got spanking from arrow because he was on a way better skill lvl than me lol
Agreed, especially the last sentence.
Exactly on point .
I’m glad the F8 is tuned the way it is. Now the Ares need to be tuned up for their role as well. A slow-firing, slow maneuvering, devastating fixed size 7 anti-capital ship weapon.
Bingo, Axe its mobility so its the worst turning and acceleration of anything called a "fighter" (it wont matter anyway because it will still be worlds faster and better at turning that anything its suppose to be attacking)
Then CRANK THAT S7 damage WAYYYY up to 'USEFUL' levels...
thats right. the Current ares are SO BAD at its job, that were not even going for OP. were begging for it to simply be "useful".
Im think 7.2k dps for the inferno with a range of 5700m and a 16m spread at max range, and 6k for the ion with a spread of 4m and range of 7.4k.
I also think they need to lower the ROF of the inferno to like 600-800 RPM which will help with desync issues and helps the server track less data. Same thing with the ion, id like to see it go down to 60 RPM or something, so it doesnt feel like a laser repeater, its suppose to be a cannon/sniper.
it also means that the individual bullet damage will go up so it feels like a big S7 gun, instead of a marshmallow hose.
Don't hide behind "future balance", "future ai blades", and future ideas like armor as you need to support your point of view. Remember, like you said yourself, their idea of "soon TM" spans decades. The ship in-game today is OP when compared to other ships in its class... and frankly, other ships outside its class.
id like to direct you to the description and the pinned comments.
Whose ass did you pull those numbers out of?
@@krist0_citizen erkul when comparing them to other fighters in the game.
I share your concerns about many size 2 being kinda bad later on with armor. I always hoped that as the civilian model, it would have kept the wing mounts as the 2x s4 and 2xs3 guns so it could still punch in its weight and that the canard and top turrets would be sized down as we have with the chance to upgrade these later with f8a parts. The armor and base components could be a lower tier, but I would find it hard to believe that Anvil would be making bespoke weaker wing mounts just to accommodate a civ version of their flagship fighter. Even the Idris-P keeps the spinal mount but just ships with it empty to be upgraded later.
Great points and subbed!
Armor and full component play will change everything for this game. Drake won't look so trash, ships won't blow up as much, and when radar and scanning is truly in most of you will die before you even knew you was fighting
My issue with it is why would I fly a vanguard over the F8 Lightning.
For a bed and a turret with 2 size 2’s :c
Maybe u answered it.
Having AI Blade and one larger gun will have more puncture on larger ships I suppose.
@@Vioblight this TBH, Right now their isn't much of a point. But if/when they fix weapon balance (assuming they don't cock it up even more than it is now) you will see how that 1 S5 will probably outdo the range and damage of all 6 S2s + the ability to shoot something behind you with the turret and blade is nothing to scoff at. Infact a S5 nose mount means you can probably out-range most of the AA guns shooting back at you and snipe at bigger targets.
Ontop of that after adding the armor systems in, it will become even more apparent as to the pros and cons each fighters design takes vs the other.
The vanguard will beable to do damage to things that the F8s simply cant, the vanguard also has WAY more missiles than the F8s (assuming they even get those working too)...
CIGs excuse is "were going to do balance passes later, were working on systems". And while that is valid at a superficial glance, you're setting yourself up for future work and failure because youre going to have to redo things over and over and over.
Instead of having an idea of where you're going, and per-desigining/positioning yourself to have most of the core traits in place, then going through with a light pass and doing fine tuning once everything is in.
Instead CIG is doing none of that, and is hell bent on coming back 3-4 years later and going, "Were going to totally scrap this system that we NEVER balanced or turned cuz its not working", and then were going to replace it with a totally new system that we're ALSO not going to balance or tune, only to do it all over again in another 3-5 years.. well DUHHH no shit its not working.
You went out of your way to ensure any new stuff comes online doesn't meshes well with whats already there. So you cant be any less efficient with your dev time if you tried. It's Lack of a long term vision, bad dev practices combined with clown world managers/directors that don't let you finish tuning something before throwing you onto the next task the nano-second the previous thing is barely functional. Functional does not = finished... is leading to a mess of development time. its a miracle we even have what we have right now.
I hate moving/touching or redoing the same thing 3-4-5-6-7+ times like CIG does. its insanity.. What could you have gotten done in that time you wasted if you had just done it properly in the 1st place?
Doesnt need a nerf, specially CIG nerf, but it needs some fixing anf tuning, the shield single buble, the 10 guns and the top speed, it should go down inline with heavy fighters, 1100-1200, right now you can break contact almost at will
Other than that is fine, specially when armor comes online SoonTM 😂😂😂
The bugs are in almost every ship in the verse, beside the front guns glitch that can disdapear and there is no fix for it
the player who has skill equal to his opponent but pilots the F8C has a huge advantage. I don't want to wait 2 years before they ad ''armor'' spec and blablabla. How come players who own this ship can't understand this? This ship is too strong and it's not cool in pvp.
There's a reason everybody and their mother used it, most def op no matter how upset it makes you.
6th highest overall fighter DPS, and ranking 5th highest single pilot fighter dps.
3rd or 4th highest scm speed for other heavy fighters (which is dead average and means its automatically worse than mediums and lights)
3rd place in heavy fighter acceleration (which again means its automatically slower than all light and medium fighters when it comes to changing direction)
Has the smallest guns of anything called a heavy fighter (which will screw it when armor comes out)
has the fewest and smallest missiles out of any heavy fighter out there
Dead average shields for a heavy fighter now that the shield bug has been fixed, it has the same shields as any other twin S2 shield heavy fighter, of which their are several.
only has the best top speed, barely has the highest hull HP by like 200 which is nothing, and has the 2nd best role rate of a heavy fighter to show for it which is on par with or lower than mediums and lights..
yeah man. its totes OP....
Dragging the facts across your face aside, Im not saying/implying its bad. Merely that its not OP.
its doing what its suppose to and being a competent anti-fighter fighter that isnt a gladius/arrow/bucc and ppl hate it for that. i cant wait for armor to come out and watch the LF players SCREAM and rage quit the game when they cant even kill connies half the time let alone a corvette or other XL ship like a HH/Perse/galaxy etc cuz the armor is too thick for their tiny guns.
Totaly agree with you buddy, they need to stop nerfing ships, its total BS , theres not going to be any game left by the time all the whinners are finished with it, my daily runner is a modified Harbinger but i'm not a good dog fighter by any stretch of the imagination but getting better, if i get cought in the cross-hairs of an F-8 I have no business being there, live to fight another day.
Thank you, honestly ... thank you!
It all ends in tears anyway
Yeah, its a non military civilian superiority fighter what ever that means.
Well said! I'll save this video to send to the cry babies.
I thought this ship is also free when you complete S42?
Agree with you
I felt S3 repeaters already being shit vs stronger ships.
Tunas don't prey on sharks ;).
CIG rushed it out to make a quick cash grab. It will get fixed at somepoint in the next decade :)
the f8c would not be op if it wasnt bugged, alas it is
theres literally not much else to the argument than that
well the shields are getting fixed in the .1 patch in a couple days so dont worry.
All of this prove to me that: Ares need to be un-nerf. The ship go nerf for the light fighter meta and now complaining about the F8C.
It's roll is too good atm, it also has an unusually high top speed & I 100% agree with your point about the bubble shield, that needs fixing asap. I have done some pvp with it and right now it just feels way to agile & completely shatters the balance, there is literally no point flying anything else, especially in atmosphere. I would ask that CIG please for the love of god fix the existing issues but don't over nerf it, & buff the other fighters so they have a chance to compete.
Look at the ships cross section, this ship is wiiiiddee, it makes sense it has a good roll, but as we all know a big cross section isn't exactly a good thing!
I don't hunt rabbits with a cannon
Ur missing out. The explosions never stop being satisfying.
Instant like for using cannons like a pro
Title says it all.
Oh my, a rant about game balance in a game mady by a company that cant balance anything? Gonna need popcorn for this.
facts, CIG is dumb as hell and haters use "balance" as a buzzword to try and slaughter anything that people have fun with that isnt a light fighter, and it bugs the shit out of me.
Thank you for this. People forget that armor is going to be a thing. All fighters are currently punching above their weight class. I think that when armor comes in there will be a lot of fighter pilots upset they cant take down an Idris by themselves
>complains ship was locked behind non existent content
>uses non existent content as excuse for underpreforming ships
Completely agree with you. Need more people making videos like these!
I think it is a disgusting mentality. The ship I own is not as good so there for it must be nerfed, NERF IT!!! how bout you ask for your ship to be buffed?
Sounds like: I need to give this man Like and Subscribe.
That would be appreciated.
I also just setup a new discord if you or anyone else ever wants come hangout or talk to me. Totally optional, but If you're interested, the Link should be in the video Desc. When ya get there just click the thumbs up icon in the rules channel, then go to the Roles channel and react to the ones you want. That will verify/add roles/access to the different channels.
I got news feeds for the different games.
PS: the F8s shields got fixed with today's patch like i knew/said they would. so now they are 10k front/10k back and you don't have to shoot through all 20k anymore. its much more fragile and inline with other ships now.
Wheare to look my hours in SC?! The s2 size and guns are ok, but the pitch, yaw , tricord are overpowered, so they will downgrate it for shure, or stay for years +- same in as few ships what playble in pvp, its really good bouth so this why all cry for real, bc exp pilots take it and easy kill, ho are noob die like noob wharewer he uses.
my merlin stomped an F8C :D
exactly, ppl act like this thing is out turning light fighters and it doesn't.
pretty much every snub/light fighter and even medium will kill this cuz their stats are all better than this thing aside from maybe top speed.
if they just fix the shield bug it will be fine, heck even the Scorpius (another heavy fighter) has better turning than this, but ppl dont complain about that.
as a terrible pilot, i think the only thing that saved me was by the way the guy was flyin, he seemed pretty new! most shots missed. but still, only took a few passes to drop him@@TheAngriestGamer.
Take a S2 away so it is on par with other heavy fighters when it comes to shield strength. (Or push the other heavy fighters up one notch and also give them 2xS2, which I personally would see as the worse of the two options.)
I think it would still be a fantastic anti heavy fighter/ anti Ares brawler and would be nice and vulnerable against those pesky light fighters that just outmanuvere you. something the other heavy fighters can easily deal with thanks to their turrets.
But I agree, the F8C overall is in a well rounded version.
But thank Fuck the F8A won't be buyable.
Agree to the extent other ships are actually under powered. Here is my point.
The wife and I often 1v1 in like ships. In equal ships we split 50/50 wins/loses.
We each got several gold tickets, and the only equal 50/50 fights we had were when we were both in the lightning. Otherwise, it didnt matter what I or her flew from light fighters to heavy fighters, whoever was in the lightning won, every single time.
So yes, compared to other fighters lack of power it is in fact over powered and it will be nerfed hard soon, Id bet money on that.
That you say its okey and dont recognize its actualy OP now just shows how little you actualy know. Every good known pilot said its OP and its obvious from its stats alone. Its faster than any light fighter, fast as racer ships, it has better acceleration and breaks than arrow. Its too nible for heavy fighter and has more dps than full balistic vanguard and has even more hp and better shields than vanguard harbringer. How you can be so arrogant and think you are soo right and everybody around who knows game obviously better and play longer is beyond me. Hope this is last video from you youtube offered me...
you clearly didn't A watch the video.
or B couldn't understand why the points being made were so important and impactful.
also i dont care what "so called good pilots" say, youre literally using the appeal to authority logical fallacy...
if a bunch of farmers come out and say an apple is a banana. it doesn't make it true, and just cuz a gaggle of additional morons who aren't farmers all start calling apples bananas and parroting people who were either trolling or or maliciously lying, this still doesn't make it any more true, its still wrong. Im sorry that things have fixed objective meanings and in this example the apple is in-dead an apple and not a banana, despite what the so called "experts/farmers" say.
I realize this might be abit too esoteric for you and ya probably wont beable to draw the parallels or connect the dots to what im saying.
Either way im not going to sit here and argue with you or try to educate you, so you're free to leave like you wanted, and wont be missed.
go ahead and blacklist my channel it if offends you so much, that way you don't come back or see it again in your feed.
have a nice day 07
@@TheAngriestGamer. I agree with you. This ship is just right (given they fix the issues that you listed) for what an advanced fighter should be and the so called good fighters are just hurt because you cannot joust this ship. PVP should not be jousting. I hate what they did to the Ares because of the same reason. So called good fighters crying "My small fighter is dying to a size 7 cannon!!". Well it should be. Don't fly straight into it and actually learn combat and how to out perform each ship not joust everything. I'm by no means a good fighter but even I know that ship PVP in this game is so broken.
Yeah, the points weren't very well defined in this video (the reply is even more convoluted). The first two points (he has two different point #1s so technically the first THREE points) were kind of just tangents over made up arguments, but I get what he's trying to say - this ship is going to punch down. It will be able to go up against a Vanguard, but it will not be able to do what the S5 nose gun on the Vanguard can once we get armor.
@@jmcnear6688 lol yeah basically XD
Whaaaa Muh light fighter cant solo the universe and dies on occasion.. clearly the new ship is OP, nerf it CIG. whaaaa
@@arenomusic it was a low effort video, and the points were decently defined.
yes you are correct, this ship (the F8C) will punch down, ares punches up, and the vanguard punches across.. even the F8A is on the edge and could be considered as punching across because of its bigger weapon mounts.
as for the other points, they aren't made up. The forums, youtube and SC discords are FILL Of Light fighter babies SCREAMING that something new came out and dares to challenge them, or doesnt fit in their little narrow 1v1 AC view of "a good ship should be", or that a new/any ship is able to kill them in a headon.
it happens every time we get something with alot of forward firepower.. and alot of the multi crew fighter pilots are all bitching that the F8 has so many pilot controlled guns.
So i pointed out several facts and reasons/considerations in this video on why those people need to calm the hell down.
Ohh. So its not faster than all mediums and 95 pct of lights.
I just suck.
Glad i came over to be enlightened by your whale noises.
yeah man, just swipe that credit card 2 git gud.
(joking aside this was recorded during the free fly. They have sense fixed the shields like i said they would, so its alot easier to kill now)
also mediums are terrible right now, that's an issue with the whole line and not really this ships fault. That's like blaming airplanes because terrorists that crash them into buildings exist..
the whole set of metrics between light medium and heavy fighters in general needs to be redone.
IMO heavy should have the best fire power, defense, and highest top speed. BUT, the worst agility, and bad acceleration/direction changing ability.
Mediums should be middle of the road everything imo, the perfect balanced fighters.
and lights should be these squishy, lower firepower, lower top speed, but stupidly agile annoying things that you can stuff 2 of them in the same hanger space that 1 heavy takes up.
Kinda like the F15 vs F16 irl.
but currently ingame, most heavy's are useless, every medium is 100% totally useless, and the light fighters are the "do everything unicorn god fighters". Needless to say what we currently have in game is complete crap.
@@TheAngriestGamer. Most Firepower. check. Most durability. check.
Most speed. no! The speed of 1337m/s is a game braker. It is unnassacary. It ruins the PU game experience.
Edit: telling your audience they are dumb is a complete No Go! Especially if the concerns are justified.
@@DrPet80 yes feed me more light fighter fanboy tears.
And no they are NOT justified at all, they only want to see something they don't like Unjustly nerfed.
With the way you whiners complain about this thing, you make it sound like its the best thing to ever exist and is 1 shoting capitalships/has invincibility hacks/ and is just teleporting around the map with god powers.
None of which is the case. Its literally only number 1 and & half ish categories.
Trolling aside i'm going to have to respectfully stick with the title of the video.
& Sense you're clearly someone who can't use erkel to see that this thing is like
6th highest fighter DPS - check
5th highest single pilot fighter dps - check.
3rd/4th highest (aka dead average) scm speed for other heavy fighters (which means its automatically worse than mediums and lights) - check
3rd place in heavy fighter acceleration (which again means its automatically slower than all light and medium fighters when it comes to changing direction) - check
Has the smallest guns of anything called a heavy fighter (which will screw it when armor comes out) - check
Dead average shields for a heavy fighter now that the shield bug has been fixed - check
And has the fewest and smallest missiles out of any heavy fighter out there - check.
Ill give you best in top speed (but personally i think all heavy fighters should have higher tops peed than mediums or lights, sense the mediums and lights have better turning and acceleration & directional agility than heavy's). It does technically have the highest Hull HP of any heavy fighter currently, though only by a tiny fraction. nothing about its HP is wildly out of line or the norm.
but what about this lineup seems OP to you??
Lastly you seem to be misunderstanding somethings. Their are 3 things you need to be aware of.
1st is the people who watch my videos generally fall into 1 of 2 categories.
A: The people who were able to watch this video and get a chuckle out of it and move on. Those people are fine even if they didn't agree with what i said. (statistically this makes up about 70% of my traffic)
B: People like yourself who are the other 30% and are going to come here and try to act like im the "badyguy" for doing a skit, or venting my opinion in my own personal chunk of yt. Mind you this is an opinion formed with hard facts and logic.
Lastly: I am not some PR guy required to walk on eggshells because i gotta make some company look good. i am a free thinking human like most other people. Sure i have a small youtube channel, but im just a and random dude online with his own opinion. I'm not afraid to voice that opinion, especially ones that go against the "light fighter mafia's™" incessant whining and drive to make the game worse.
But the most important thing you should know is I AM NOT the bigger man. I am not above sitting here and trolling someone in the comments of my videos (if i have the free time to do so), especially if i don't agree with what they are saying. i will absolutely sit down and provide a Spicy opinion/reply that goes against the "light fighter mafia's wishes", especially if what they are saying is outright silly/hostile/intellectually dishonest in their claims. Or if it has the potential to move the game in a worse/less fun direction like what these claims that you & all the F8C/New ship haters constantly spew.
Whats next? If CIG adds a Hammer to the game that can both drive nails AND pull them out with a claw (aka do what a hammer is suppose to do). Are you going to scream and complain that its too OP sense we don't have any other hammers, or that its doing what it suppose to?
i bet ur the kinda person who would play warthunder russia and think they are balanced/not biased.
Or that would complain that the Idris S10 rail gun 1 shots corvettes.
I bet ur the kinda person who complained that the ion was 1-2 tapping light fighters when it 1st came out, despite it being the light fighters fault for flying down a huge gun-barrel and not using its 5 to 1 agility advantage to avoid the forward firing arc.
Again trolling aside.
Im happy to have an honest debate or discussion with you on things in the game, my discord is open for everyone to come in whenever they want and do that. But you gotta get rid of your own biases 1st, and look at things objectively and holistically.. which you clearly aren't doing by hating on things like the F8 which havent done anything wrong.. except maybe not being CCUable and 260$ standalone.. that was pretty scummy..
Don't get mad at people trying to explain the facts to you just because you cannot understand the purpose of the ship.
To compare with real-world fighters...
The F8C is the F-22 ... they are both designed for one purpose and one purpose only... to destroy other fighters. Thus the term air (space) superiority fighters
by comparision...
The Vanguard Warden (and several other in game fighters) are multipurpose fighters, much like the F-35
The Warden is a lot more versitile and has many more uses in game than the F8C. Much liek the F-35 can do more than the F-22 but the F-22 is a better pure fighter than the F-35.
The Arrow and the Gladius are light fighters, and while they can dogfight well, their primary role is NOT air (space) superiority. They are designed to be cheap and maneuverable to go against larger ships in numbers (i.e. they are anti-bomber ships).
@@webbygaming1583 Basically this ^
Light fighters are short range defensive/harassment fighters. And they are small so you can stuff multiple of them in the deck space of what 1 heavy fighter would take up.
i would of thought their size and fuel range would have given that away but i guess not sense most people are relatively low resolution thinkers. In-fairness though sense they can currently kill everything under the sun because armor isn't in the game, most people cant see their intended role.
LFs have been disgustingly over-preforming for a long time, and should NOT be the yard stick everything is measured against.
Mediums should be the base metric.
Lfs are suppose to be a niche unit that are deployed in mass for defensive work against the large slow anti-capital torps, bombers, and used 1vX against larger fighters, and anti boarding craft operations, as well as some very very light A2G tactical support.. Im quite looking forward to Rockets and Small bombs combing back to the game.
no. U.
I do say, you make an excellent point with AI blades and I hadn't even considered that.
My stance was mostly "I don't like it when CIG lies about stuff repeatedly and tries to gaslight you afterwards." and "combat balance is pretty irrelevant because it's missing so many features, so they will probably do a cynical cash grab and nerf it"
You are wrong, this ship is OP and needs a Nerf
what's dumb is buyng 300 usd ship every fucking patch XD
For real, this was recorded during my rental time.
300$ is a dang car payment, and the car actually works and gets used daily..
Chris needs to stop doing so many drugs in the office and make everything half off permanently.
Sigh….smh