Intel just can't beat AMD anymore...
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Intel: Removes 2 cores and 4 threads
Also Intel: "Let's call that a next-gen flagship!"
Lmao
In my opinion, a typical Apple move
@@lenonmelricdsouza9037 even apple never release worst performing phones lol
@Travis Clark you rich af
@@madd5 Because they thought 10 was going to be the standard just like they made 4 core the standard years ago for no reason. They realized that 6-8 is meta.
you going up in the world from 2 cents to 2 dollars XD
Inflation is out of control, smh. 😞
@@benjaminoechsli1941 lol
Jay had to adjust for inflation
Jayz2dollars!
@@legendaryhero90 yeeeeessssss
5800x is $429 and the 11900k is $614 at Microcenter near me and they're both in stock
INTEL's greed is beyond comprehension.
Yiiiiikes.
@Kylo Ren I'm deeply sorry that ypu had to buy an intel cpu 😔🙏
@@vidpetrovic8907 Please - for gamers - EITHER is equally good. The vast majority of applications are not CPU bound anymore - haven't been for a long time. Apple's got it right - they went for a LOWER powered CPU and now push compute-heavy tasks to custom silicon. And they're beating the PANTS off both Intel and AMD on power, heat, battery life, and likely soon - performance.
Shit the 10900k at least had 10 cores
AMD fighting against 2 giants(Intel and Nvidia).. Impressive
But Nvidia is astute.
They've got the GPU situation in the bag with dlss
@@watema3381 I'd still say amd is competitive but not ontop.
@@bradleychen147 Only when it comes to gaming, AMD is racing with Nvidia and they’re bumping into Nvidia’s rear end, but when it comes to creative applications (visual effects, Adobe after effects, blender, etc), AMD is way further behind due to their stubbornness, Nvidia focuses on more than just gaming, which gives them a wider audience and their cards are more stable due to the creative application userbase
Nvidia gpus all the way amd is still way behind they are only good at cpus
@@bradleychen147 Give them a bit of time. This is literally the first time they've successfully competed in top tier GPU space for a decade. I can guarantee, next gen Radeon will be leagues above what it is now. In terms of base performance Radeon beats nVidia, but nVidia has DLSS/RT, so both have their appeal.
guys, don't get distracted by those equipment.
focus on the 2 dollars. coz that's the only thing WE can actually afford.
*Just a joke. I ain't broke.*
and the only thing that's in stock.
@@tbhteaaa4079 😂😂😂😂😂
@@tbhteaaa4079 truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Mine arrived this morning 😎
THAT IS VERY TRUE!!
The only purpose the 11900K serves for me personally is making me feel even better about myself that I went for a 5900X for my next build :)
i went with the 5800x because i had to. 5900x wasn’t available anywhere unfortunately
@@sage_x2002 lol they can't really fanboy on the single core thing anymore.
I find it funny that amd can beat intel at single core like a 80w less power draw ( even with 4 extra cores)
I have a 10600k...
I don’t care if my cpu is high end or made to perfection. As i can’t buy a rtx 3080 for 4k gaming. Like 7 months after launch you can’t find any even if i payed 200 euro’s above the price marketed. Its time to return to sanity gpu market.
This is why competition is good, warfare amongst companies battling for your dollars is an awesome thing in the open market.
based take
Monke time 🐒
GPUs would like to approve your message, but they don’t :(
One of the very good things about capitalism.
It's the only time that free market capitalism is a good thing lmao
intel got caught with their pants down, when it comes to innovation. cant believe after 10 years im switching to AMD again.
You don't have to switch to AMD if you believe in Intel
Intel taking Ls from AMD and Apple with the M1 is stomping them while they are down.
@You have been Hacked yes it does when you believe in terms of decades! I believe in AMD and I always buy their stocks too, been through up and down with it and finally I reap the benefit of believing in both their product and their stock recently
I've been buying Intel since AM2 (replaced the 939), "Why" you might ask, good question. For me, Intel was simply the better "bang for the buck". For the last 10 years, not so much, but it was still measurably faster for what I wanted to do, gaming. My loyalty is my wallet, neither AMD or Intel. If AMD can provide "like" gaming performance at a lower cost, I'm one mobo and one CPU from changing over on my next build. Very simple. Buying Intel for over 10 years now, I''ve been cheering for AMD to innovate and advance. Pure competition is always much better for consumers.
dont amd is unreliable garbage take it from me i am a system builder
Intel lost a lot of things.
It's crown, it's lead, its market share, its image, it's clock, its core, it's marketing department and now, it's two cents.
But don't worry guys, they have anti-mean words technology!
Intel would still probably continue to be used in the offices, just like how the scammy Nvidia Quadro still does.
@@gustlightfall I use Intel new low budget models cause they are cheap.
And all of its lakes have run dry.
@@Synthematix Indeed they have, they don't even have mud, just dirt.
I’ve been an intel guy for a long time, but I’m glad I swapped and bought a 5800x for my new build. Seems like I made the right choice 😂
Same here
did yours have any over heating issues had to under volt my 5800x
@@cheese0069not on mine, 75c max 100% load for 30 mins at stock settings using a 360mm aio with fans at 1000 rpm (very quiet)
Messing around with settings can apparently increase performance and lower temps
Jajaja me too, i was intel-nvidia guy, but for this generation I decided to build amd ryzen 5600x with 6800xt and seems i made the right choice as well
@@cheese0069 I ordered my rig from xidax about a month ago and it’s probably gonna be here in a week or so. 3070 + 5800x so I’m excited to finally leave my 980ti 6700k in the dust
To Phil,
Thank you for the "drag to enlarge" edit.
It made our morning..!
timestamp?
@@detailedemoji4615 14:38
I've worked at my temp job for 2 months and i saved £3000 prob $3500 in your money....working is the key
@@warking4257 Are you okay? Are you on drugs?
@@warking4257 I love it when people randomly say things and make me forget what video I'm watching
i once had a quote on my profile on a hardware forum site "intel fanboy forever" but it seems that the "forever" part was a lie.. now i own a ryzen 5 3600x and im more than happy..
My first computer build in 06 was AMD, stayed AMD until about 2010 when it became obvious Intel was simply better. I switched to the first ryzen when it came out and was so glad to see AMD being relevant again. Competition forces innovation, Intel would have been happy releasing 4c/4t i5s with 5-10% performance boost for decades if Ryzen had not happened. They always claimed consumers did not need more than that and that it would be too expensive to release an i5 with more cores.
Funny, I'm an AMD fanboy on Intel. For the games I play Intel is still the best choice, AMD have closed the gap significantly but 11th gen is actually an incremental step forward and it's a shame that the mainstream channels have become so misleading. You can see a number of other channels highlighting OC vs OC performance and see a number of games where Intel beat AMD and it is like all these big channels are purposely overlooking the main reason to buiy a K CPU with a Z motherboard is to overclock, otherwise just buy a 11400 and spend more on your GPU. It's actually got into insane reasoning IMO. There is no competition from AMD for the 11400 and for the typical game that CPU makes the most sense because you will see no noticeable improvement in a typical game if you are not staring at your FPS number but it is a whole lot cheaper. And if you are a competitive gamer in a simulation or similar game where single core performance is essential then an overclocked top end Intel CPU is your best option. Unless productivity outside of games is an important factor then everthing inbetween a 11400 and a 11900K is a waste of money. If productivity is important then you should buy AMD because Intel have no competitve options. As a simracer who primarily plays iRacing in a Pimax Intel and Nvidia is my best option and as a AMD fanboy that makes me sad but I think it is more sad to watch all these BS videos and see the comments under them from the people who listen to these guys who all seem to have forgotten basic things.
@@StansTechStuff I think what you have written is incorrect. Yes the high end gaming CPU market is small, yes the number who overclock is small but I think you'll find the percentage of people who buy a 11900K and don't overclock it is smaller because those people are morons and most morons don't have enough money to buy a 11900k. If you buy a K CPU and don't OC it, you are giving up free performance. If you buy a K CPU and don't OC it you are paying extra for no good reason. The only reason to buy an Intel K CPU is because you are aware of the extra performance that comes with the OC and you specifically want that extra performance. And a key advantage of the 11th gen is the ability to OC by core and they have made it an easy thing to do. Why else would you hook up a 360mm rad? In the past all these guys got it and back then they said exactly what I'm writing here. Now they are teaching people to be dumb and throw away money. The correct advice has always been and still is, if you are looking for the best value performance save on your CPU and put it to your GPU, right now the 11400 might be the best option in that regard especially at higher resolutions unless you need performance for productivity apps. If you need the best possible gaming performance and already have the best GPU then get the best CPU for the main game/s you play and overclock it. And there is no one best so to find out which one is best for you, you need to see OC results for that game. What channels do you watch now for that information? Not these ones. But there are plenty of other channels now highlighting OC performance of AMD vs Intel with Intel winning in a lot of games.
@@theauthenticsteve The 11th gen is just a stopgap for intel so they can utilize the new PCIe 4 that AMD has BEEN using.
@@theauthenticsteve OCing also reduces the lifespan of the chip. I don't OC unless I really need it.
Intel: *"We are evolving! But backward"*
That's Intel marketing for ya. What they should say is DEvolving.
From my point of view intel is getting better and thats a good thing. AMD isn't wildly far ahead which is exactly what we want. Competition is what the consumers want and with no 3rd option Intel is the only one who challenge AMD and vice versa.
@@ragefacememeaholic5366 We also want AMD to have money for RnD, otherwise there will be no future for x86 customers. Right now intel keeps making more and more money, despite being below.
@@heyhoe168 People will keep buying Intel because of brand recognition. Intel has been a good deal for decades(for what they were offering) The only reason people are sticking with Intel is because they are comfortable with Intel and don't want to jump ship. From the Benchmarks I have seen Intel's midrange this generation is actually a pretty decent value, despite AMD dominating High end. More and more consumers will see this shift in the market over time and we may start to see a narrative that AMD is the luxury brand and Intel is the budget brand. Of course this is speculation and will take some generations but AMD will keep making money, CPUs will recover from the silicon shortage far sooner the GPUs.
@@ragefacememeaholic5366 intel but i9 10900K is better than i9 11900K. So is not any better.
The improvements are from amd. Intel was way more better than amd, and now amd is better than Intel. Now ryzen 7 = i9. The same thing happens with epyc and Xeon
I’ll be sticking with my 3700X for a while
same. mini beast
Same here, love my 3700X
Sticking with my R5 2600x until I can save for a 3700
I'm on a 3600 myself, its fine for what I use it for. What I really want to upgrade is my gpu.... gtx 1080 is really showing its age when trying to power my reverb G2.
If only I could buy a new gpu for less than 2000 fuckin dollars.
I have 3900x and yes i will use it one or two years more and change it when 5nm and 5+ghz ryzen chips are out
10875k (6:23) - Jay seems to have gotten the 10850k mixed up with the old i7 875k that launched back in '10 (on the 1156 platform) :P Can't quite blame him considering the terrible cpu names (especially in the mobile segment)
Same naming sceme, same performance. ( Just fucking kidding ofc I know not the same performance)
The gap is widening
Hi there
You're everywhere lmao
@@roccatsenseful FR
My gap
Yes except one is in stock and the other always sells out.
When LTT and Jay upload at the same time:
My happiness is immesurable and my day is great
I haven't watched the other in a few years. I'm only here and Paul's channel.
even GN uploaded
Ltt's schedule is too frickin inconsistent... and that sucks 😪
Lately I just got tired of LTT dunno why but I dont find their videos pleasant to watch
Why would I watch the other guys, they are annoying af :D
Watching this on my 5800X and 5700XT and could not be happier to be back on AMD's side for the first time in 11 years!
First build went all AMD with a 3700X and a 6800XT😄
@@ronrox14 whyd you get a 3000 CPU and not 5000? Stock issues?
@@malazan6004 In my country the 5800x comes without a cooler andcosts about 250 dollars more than a 3700x. The 3700x here was a way better deal and I preferred to spend a little more on my GPU.
@@ronrox14 spoken like someone who just made their first build lol. Your GPU will be limited by your CPU and that extra money you spent on it is just a waste.
@@GoodnotGreat88 if he's playing on 1440p or above, then cpu won't be as important in gaming unless you're playing very long games of TW:Warhammer.
So it makes sense to spend more on the gpu as 1440 and above puts more more load on the gpu.
11900k’s are already being scalped on eBay for $900, lmao. I’m more than ok with my 10850k for the next few years at least
10700k gang
ill take 10 cores 20 threads any day over downgrading to 8 cores 16 threads.
@@dab2312 how long till we have to replace 10700k?
@@maddawg4123 8 years
Lol I just built my own PC and went with the 10850K 2 for a great price of $300 so I'm happy
The 5800x is also available on AMD's website for $449.
very nice
I have checked multiple times throughout the last 3 weeks and every time I looked it was the only available ryzen 5000 series cpu
@@maxcourtney3067 its the worst value out of the entire amd line up
@@dasitmaneayylmao2729 not if it's the only one you can buy at msrp
@@dasitmaneayylmao2729 how much value does a non existent 5900x have?
Just started a build for my neighbor and went back and forth between waiting for the 11900k and snagging a 5800x right away. Very happy that I guided him to make the right purchase... obviously got the 5800x.
“Intel Inside”-COFFIN
lmao I need this on my coffin when I die or i'm not going in
COFFIN LAKE
Thank You!
*insert Coffin Dance meme music here*
I watched your 10 year old water-cooling video and I cannot believe how long you have been in the game, youre a true O.G. Jay, thank you!
@Nick Diesal your entire comment history reads like some dude who is mad and trying to crusade UA-cam. Edit: lmao he deleted his comments. Shook.
lol to think Jay was a newb when I was already ancient
cool, right
@@gustavuskranz9460 nah not at all :P
imagine be forced compared a Intel flagship CPU ,with a medium range AMD CPU , and still be slower . LOL
Oh how the times have changed
Slower but without USB issues. I prefer stability to speed.
@@lubospejchal498 what usb issues?
@@woodiemarv It disconnect USB device and it can't recognize devices. Maybe fixed in bios 1806, but it is 5th bios since I bought AMD.
@@lubospejchal498 r5-5600x here and MY FUCK!NG USB all turn off for like 3s (every 7 hour) and one time I played rank in csgo I die becuze of USB problem
I just built my first system. Referenced several of your videos and went with Ryzen 7 3700x.
hows the gpu situation?
Nice fist system :)
Congrats man
Fantastic CPU choice. What GPU did you get?
Great CPU with superb power efficiency and fighting/defeating even 10700 and 11700 intel in most productivity tasks. A 3060 Ti would be perfect for it.
I love my 5800x. Got it on thanksgiving wknd no issues so far. Runs like a charm
When Jay says "Drop the Clock" who else could only just think there was going to be a "DROP THE BASS" clip inserted
The 5800X has been available on AMD's website every time I've checked there for GPU's over the last two weeks.
The most important factor for these new launches right now, availability.
Got one for me 2 weeks ago from Amazon, then brought one from Newegg last night for my nephew's build. So yeah they are pretty available right now.
@@nucleard3 even i just got one 2 days ago... and holy F.. i never see/own that much of processor in task manager
got a 5800X at MSRP for my build last week. the funny thing is, here where I live, both the 5600X and 5900X are scalped, except the 5800X. I decide to take the 5800X over 5600X because that scalped price makes the 5600X only differs $50 from 5800X, meanwhile the 5900X sells for $799 and no stocks available.
because 5800x ovepriced, poor value/perf
So small % of people want to buy it
5800X for MSRP and I couldn't be happier, now I get to wait for next gen AMD GPU to hopefully snag a GPU upgrade
The way your lights are set up makes your background look like I can throw on a set of 3D cinema glasses and feel like I'm in the room with you!
“Warp speed...ENGAGE” I lost it 😂
Built my first PC with a 5800X and it's like I've opened a new dimension in the universe. Been using laptops with Intel for years and I'm never looking back.
Pc is different from laptops.
@@thiccnoodles8469 I get that. I could have built an Intel PC but gave AMD a try and it seems like I made the right choice, well at least to my needs.
I hear ya. It might just be the fact you went with a flagship cpu tho, laptops rarely contain the highest end components and if they do they're priced twice as much as a desktop with the same components. I used i3 and i5 my whole life (pentium 4 before I series came out) and just got an i7 this past Xmas and yeah it was pretty amazing how big of a difference a high end cpu makes on general pc usage. I only use my pc to game though I don't even browse the web on my pc due to fear of getting malware. I use my s20 ultra for media consumption and the few mobile games I play.
@@tabernaclejones6115 how the heck do you download games?
'' slow there roll with a lot of that KOOLAID THEY BEEN DRINKING" brah jay.....my dude ...... i almost fell out of my chair
Roast and rice and gravy recipe
•3-4lb need rump
•cut into slices/chunks
•s&p/garlic
•sear meat
•throw 2 cartons of beef broth, whole onion in pot
•red wine (optional for tenderness)
•Tony’s ruox mix
•Let it cook in oven for 4-6 hours at 350°
thanks
Can I cook it on the 11900K?
Does all the ingredients cost 2 dollars because some old man has two dollars below a ryzen 5 3600xt
@@iamtheunseeable9022 unfortunately no
Even Ifixit cant fix the gpu shortages
JUST KIDDING YES IT CAN
Well you can use the Istabit...to get a GPU.
Hahaha
If I was Dr. Doof, I would invent a GPU-Produce-Inator. it would make GPUs for 50% less than MSRP, and make 10k of them an hour.
Best Buy actually being the best buy is the most surprising thing for me these days.
I know it wouldnt be a "fair" test but would be interesting to see Intel's BEST offering (11900K) VS AMD's best offering (5950x or even 5900x) Especially considering the 5950x is still cheaper than the 11900K's scalped prices lol
its pretty much being put to shame by a 5800x. 5950x would be brutal
And 5950x isn't being scalped? Lmao
@@itz2eazyttv 11900k still beats 5950x in most games
Pointless, you can't buy 5950x.
@@heavynomad1939 Bruh are you sure? Even the 5900X curb stomped 11900K
derbauer did an pretty good day 1 analysis on why the chopped off 2 cores. TLDR, the new cores are ~24% bigger in terms of die size. Also the the new Xe GPU is a bigger portion of the overall die. So an 8-core Rocket Lake die is overall bigger that a 10-core Cofee Lake R die, despite having 2 less cores. It looks like that most of the gains of the new architecture were based on being made in 10nm, not 14nm. The new core arch is more complex (avx-512 is a bigger portion of the core). Its definately the last hoorah of the much refined 14nm. Probably the most succesfull process technology in history, but stayed a year too long...
They should ditch fkin apu fpr their top line cpus.
Not a year too long. 4 years too long.
@Jesus is Lord I hope you didn't try to fit it in a sandy bridge board...
@@SpartanArmy117
I have i7 6700. The Intel improvements are small cakes compared to when I go to Ryzen this year or next.
If you push those 11000 series CPUs to their boasted numbers, the power draw is severe.
@@SpartanArmy117 Not being able to get your fab process to 7nm is not better or competitive. They've done the best they can with their giant corporate failure. And that is all.
Built my first PC before Christmas and I’m very happy I aligned with AMD
welcome to pcmasterrace
Welcome to the amd 👪
You aligned with amd?? Wow you must be better than intel users for sure lol
@Nick Diesal Yeah Maybe 🤷♂️
@Nick Diesal Your wallet was smacked too?
Don't forget J, micro center also has 5800X for 449.99. Item# eBay 124628149567 also has it for 439.99 less than msrp.
On the plus side, new gen coming out had made the i7 10700k only $220 at microcenter right now. Its actually a pretty good deal at that price.
Just wanted to say those graphs looked really slick. Great job!
You can get the 5800x direct from AMD for 449.00. It's only the 5900's that are tough to get currently.
Here in the UK, the 11900k is £530 on Pre order, and the 5800x is £430 available to buy today. No brainer!
I have over £900 in cash in my desk drawer right now. I'm not handing over a penny until prices get back to what they were. A fool and his money are soon parted.
Sure, that makes sense (somewhat) if you need the money more than you need the parts. For me I don’t think it’s likely we’ll see a price drop that’d justify the wait for me anytime soon.
prices won't come down
I built mine with 900 in covid season, r5 3600, 2060, and more goodies, just gotta check the right spots
@@hannessteffenhagen61 At least try to hide the whites of your eyes, lol.
AHAHHAH he thinks prices will come down!, prices never come down. GPU manufacturers normalized mining pricing for all consumers, expect the same from future CPU releases.
AMD all the way Jay, thanks for all your hard work fellas
Intel i5 11400 ain't too bad for gaming tho
Went with a 5900x myself and love it, also the 5800x is available via AMD direct buy, same MSRP price of $450. Have to watch those scalpers on Amazon
The 5900x is so overkill, isn't it? Love this thing. Even runs cooler while pulling far more watts than a 5800x. I cool mine with a Fuma 2 Rev B. 58-62C in the vast majority of games.
Only BF2042 can push it to 65C, but that game pushes it to 110 watts and 50% usage.
just bought a 5800x so happy to see this haha
5800x + 3090. I have been more than happy with this setup. 😁
@@GimpyDingo I'm on a 3090 with a 3900X and I'm happy with me too. One day I'll turn on overlay (LIV, my virtual reality compositor for avatar capture doesn't play well with overlays, so I haven't been using mine) to see how much GPU and CPU I use during heavy vr recording sessions.
@Drifters Smorgasbord still a nice setup. :) Glad I pulled the trigger on the 3090. This shortage is ridic!
@@AliciaBrownSugar I don't do any capture in VR, but going from a 3770/gtx 1080 to my current setup I can set supersampling to 2x and every game is silky smooth!
@@TheJimyyy 2 gens of newer cpu beats older cpu. News at 11.
@6:24 10850k* The bargain top tier chip.
In Germany you can get the 5800x for 430 euros. Sometimes even less. Last week I saw it for 399 on discount. The 11900 for 470 euros has it pretty hard
bought yesterday my ryzen 7 5800x, can't wait for it to join the party
If i were u i would get i9 10850k but its good either way
It cant even handle a 3070 lol.
@@Xirpzy what cant handle a 3070m
Just checked 590 euro almost 700 dollar (that's with 21% saletax though) for a 11900k and 469 euro, 550 dollar (taks included again) for a 5800x in belgium atm
Yeah, Intel is worse and costs more. At least last gen they had the benefit of being slightly cheaper (not so much when you have to factor in a Mobo upgrade between generations too, but still).
This gen they neither have the cost benefit nor the performance benefit. They literally are dead out of the box.
21% sales tax? My guy that's disgusting
@@egonieser availability and features makes a big difference. I went i5 10400 because of the motherboard choice I had available near me. (the integrated graphics is a bonus for anyone like me who's still waiting for a decent GPU. HD Graphics sucks but at least my PC isn't a big paper weight)
@@SmarterThanAll that's reality in Belgium
We have 25% sales tax here in Denmark, I got a i5 10600K for 180 dollars (145 euro) a couple of months ago - Fairly decent price imo.
Another important factor is how easy it is to upgrade the CPU in an existing ryzen system theres literally 3 generations of compatible chips availible to choose from, i ran my 5800x with a $100 B450 motherboard for a while with no problems its such a flexible ecosystem
B&H has the 5800X for $450 also
I didn’t understand much in here, other than I’m glad I went with Ryzen 5 for my first build.
that's exactly was my thought
I was in a micro Center today and they had at least five 5800X available not to mention the 5600X they had. All at MSRP.
The 5800x was also available at Micro Center for 449.99. Also if you build at micro center they worked with me on getting a GPU and I ended up getting a 3060 ti the second the allotment was available which happened to be 5 mins after I was purchasing so I just waited about 20 mins for approval on GPU and was back in two days to pick up and since they built it they offered a 3 year full build warranty. I would highly recommend going to your local Micro Center.
Bruh Micro centre Creating fake accounts
This Account was created 8 hours ago
So This is fake
@@Scypher_Tzu not at all
like micro center would need sales right now
Went with a 5800X a few weeks back $429.99 regular price at my local Mirco Center and they had a case full of them. Made that decision extremely easy for me and I am 100% happy with the absolutely insane level of performance I am getting in return.
Yeah but we're did you get a GPU?
Big fan of the Black Ops 2 Multiplayer Menu Music during the spec overview
“Its evolving, just backwards”
-Swedish men
after watching this I just went and ordered a 5800X for 449 off newegg
Welcome to team red!
@@tonyp114 iv been Team read for a while just upgrading from a 1600
Good for AMD glad to see them back on the level and in most cases on the top. "Intel" for far to long have had to much power on the market to manipulate their customers. That alone makes me happy even if I never buy another cpu.
And don't forget that with Intel if you are doing an upgrade you will most likely need to replace the motherboard too
I think I'm more interested in the 11400F, since it is shipping at a price of less than $170.
Same here, far more interested in CPUs around the $200 price point than anything above.
Or you could lose a marginal amount specwise and get a 10400F for even less. or go AMD.. the 5600x is the best value processor right now iirc. Beating out even intels i7 10th gen
The F is the grade of that chip
Indeed, the 10400F beats the Ryzen 5 3600 in terms of price per performance. This has been an available option for a while, yet all the yt reviewers are just so busy pushing Ryzen products. More people should know about this option, I'm sad I didn't include it.
@@kaynex1039 Of course the AMD Hype was at a all time high the last months.
I have the X570-P too, im my main PC. Pretty decent board, its so average that i actually keep it in my main rig, rather than some fancier boards i have, just to deter all kinds of unnecessary "tweaking" and messing about, to keep the systems reliable.
About less cores, I thought it was because rocket lake arch is built for 10nm, but it was backported to 14nm, thus no space for more than 8 cores.
One day I’ll be able to follow along word for word 🤣 just nodding and smiling rn
😆
Been there lol. Jay isnt too hard to follow. Wanna mindfuck go watch some techjesus vids @gamersnexus. My fav 2 techtubers hands down
I remember that all too well. You’ll get there good buddy.
Took me 2 years in regards to going from watching Jay and Linus just for fun, to watching them for actual reviews because I started building systems for myself and friends. Been my main hobby since 2018
i feel you buddy
To why they removed 2 cores: the 11. gen was supposed to be on 10nm but was backported to 14++++++, so the die would have been too large
Jay on the 11700k, "it wasn't that important to me..."
We need a thuglife .gif
its hilarious when u think the i9 is supposed to be one of there best cpu's yet its around the same tier as the 5800x.....i would love too see the comparison too a 5900x or even the 5950x lolol
I believe it's listing for a similar price to the 5900X (which mops the floor with it)... That's assuming no scalping.
@@paranoidrodent ye on overclockers i think the 5900x is like 640£ lol
atc gamer nexu to see it compared to so many other cpus including the ones you listed
gamers nexus sorry my keyboard isnt working properly lately
I’m not at all displeased with my choice of a 5900x in my build
I got my 5800x from B and H shipped into Canada at MSRP. USD to CAD conversion + import fee handled by B and H + 2.5% credit card fee was still cheaper and actually in stock as compared to in Canada and came in less than a week. A piece of dust caused two RAM slots to not work, when I checked for bent pins I saw a decent sized little dust thing, I blew it out and everything worked! Before I reseated the CPU I thought that maybe it was an old incompatible BIOS so I paid a computer store to update the BIOS and they just had to move the RAM module. It was the CPU preventing boot the whole time.
Mandalorian: This is the way... Jay: this is the way... 🤣 Nice to see this point of AMD reborn
That music during the benchmarks goes dummy hard!!
Switched fully to AMD and found the Corsair DDR4 3200 from my Intel system worked flawlessly in the Asus B450 motherboard. Ryzen 5 3600 and XFX 5700 XT Thicc III Ultra ($400), both overclocked and as stable as my Intel i6600K and GTX 1070 were. And I still have the option to upgrade to a Ryzen 5xxx CPU. Love it.
I bought a 5600X 2 weeks ago and I couldn't be happier. That thing is fast! It brought a new life to my 1080 Ti, which was bottlenecked in some games by my 2700X. I've been buiding my PCs for almost 25 years and this is the most impressive CPU I've bough since the Pentium 4c (first one with dual channel and 800 Mhz FSB). Paired with 1 gb of ram and a Radeon 9800, I was able to max out Farcry when even the guys at PC Gamer Magasine couldn't. They were saying that almost no one in the world had a PC to max out Farcry...well, I was. :) I'm impressed that much with the 5600X. I run Cyberpunk ultra at 2k. With my 2700X, in some places, it was very stuttery even at mid-high settings, now it runs far better at ultra even with the same GPU. It's crazy good. Good job AMD.
I have a rtx 2080 which is very similar to what you have and I've noticed my 2700x doing the same thing. I'd really like a 5600x, even with my X470 board
did you sell your old 2700x?
I bough 5600x about month ago, with MSI X570 mobo, 32Gb RAM 3200 MHz, NVMe 2 500Gb 970 EVO Plus SSD, and used Gigabyte RX570 GPU (that also needed to be serviced and also had to install proper BIOS, because there was some really weird BIOS in it) - anyway currently I'm really happy that build that PC, even with older GPU I'm able to play Cyberpunk and RDR2 with pretty decent graphics quality and FPS.
Imagine a Ryzen 7 beating an i9 thats pretty sad lol
im using a nice 7 2700x!not sure which intel i5-7 it goes up against, getting 5 3600x next month!
@sw4gr1d an 11400 Should beat it, it’s a 2 year difference lmaooo that’s like comparing 1st gen ryzen to 3rd gen ryzen, ofc it’s gonna be better(assuming the company actually improves their shit which intel doesn’t).
@sw4gr1d fucking wot, are you stupid? The 3600 launched at $200 2 YEARS AGO, ofc the 11400 is cheaper, it has to be otherwise it would never sell! You're comparing an oleder generation to the newest generation and acting like its a surprise that it developed? The 3600 was not overpriced when it was released, I'd argue it had some of the highest value of 2019, but in 2021 with the prices the market is at atm, then no it is not a good deal, IMO you should be going for 8 cores if you're going to build a PC this year, so I would say neither the 11400F/11400 or Ryzen 5 3600 are really worth your time in 2021, ESPECIALLY with DDDR5 and AM5 on the way soon I'd just wait til the new platforms.
@@NickTeProductions it's overpriced I got my xeon for $45
Bought a 5900x back in December and absolutely love it. Won't be going back to Intel for years to come.
Coffin Lake: Intel Inside (R)
Amd with the 16 core 32 thread 5950x right now 😎
@C a l a m i t y
Probably more than that actually xD. I mean, depending on what your doing even basic ass tasks today like browsing and video streaming can be done by a Core 2 duo from 2010's, only if the system had an SSD it'd work fast
Thanks for the heads up! I was able to score a 5800x from BB. Their queue system works well as they release stock gradually. Now, to get a GPU... 🤨
I saw this coming miles away, that's why I pick 5800X at the time when many reviewers shitting on it.
Payed off for ya too as it being the "Red Headed Step Child" of the generation, it's alot of times is the easiest to pickup.
Yeah didn't quite understand the hate for the 5800x, couldn't be happier with mine and got it at MSRP
At the time the software for the 5800x was horrible, that's why people didn't like it. With the new updated drivers and BIOS tweeks it has gotten a lot better.
@@bond1_mjblosser smart people understood the fact that the 5800x has gimped ccx
thats why no one smart wanted one, and they saved for a 5950x or just got a 10850k or 10900kf
3400g here could not be happier.
Man ive been telling my friends since ryzen came out intel is going to lose the ground its gained. The model of tye chips and how the mobo future proofing for builds idk just makes sense in the long run and one if tye first time ive actually seen this level of foresight from a corp at that level.
Well if Intel can get it's next chips on TSMC nodes...even if they have to licence them, then Intel could storm ahead. But yeah right now outside of the bargain bucket 10400 chips, Intel has big problems.... Luckily for them AMD cannot fill orders and Intel will still sell all it can make to it's business clients.
@@brokeandtired yeah that is the way of things. Really makes you think where things would stand without covid hitting.
My bet is Intel is going on a long-term plan. They can't compete at the moment with AMD but they have the advantage of building their own and they just invested 20 billion into opening 2 new places to build the CPUs. Intel has a few rough years ahead and I think they know it. I'd put money on that they are laying the groundwork for sorting themselves out and getting ahead again in 3-5 years.
@@Jack29245 for sure im not saying in any way that amd has won out right. I deff see a comeback for intel. A tug of war is healthy. Promotes innovations
@@brokeandtired I doubt they'll get much out of TSMC given they're publicly saying they're only using them as a stop gap while telling everyone they're going to make chips for others on their own fabs. It's almost like they don't actually want to use them but doing it in a way that it doesn't look like they're the ones saying no.
Inspired by your last build video I swapped from Intel to a 5800X (with the Asus Tuf Gaming X570 motherboard) yesterday. My system is now very much GPU limited.
i remember hearing that a guy before you said same words during pentium era between 3 and 4..that means...INTEL GONNA RELEASE A MONSTER CPU BASE ON GOLDEN COVE ARCHITECTURE..
Can't wait for the reviews of the other Intel Bulldozers.
Hey there... When i upgraded my pc from a AMD FX-8150 with 16 gb ram, i did check a lot of info about Intel and AMD cpu... I went with a AMD Ryzen 9 3900X with 64 gb ram, thats what i could get that was in stock. Ryzen 9 5900X and 5950X are still not in stock yet... Glad i did it, the noise from my system, is great. Reading a CD/DVD/BluRay makes more noise than the rest of my pc... BTW water cooled with a standard corsair H115i Platinum...
I'd really love to know where, and by whose hand, the root of all this scalping is actually happening..
The company's themselves along with the usual grime. Dont forget scalping is what amazon and the like do everyday as the domestic customer cant get to manufacturers etc. MSI were literally caught red handed scalping their own stuff!
It wont stop untill the mining becomes unprofitable. Miners are willing to pay a lot more for a card than your average gamer
lol.. The size of that Intel box is hilarious... Nice to see AMD killing it now!
They needed to justify the price somehow... at least now when you buy intel you get a free dog house for your chihuahua.
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I swear Intel naming just gone nuts. All those number can easily confuse customers
this video aged well
The 11900K was backported from 10nm to 14nm so they were originally planing with a more space efficient process. The new architecture includes AVX512 now (which needs space) and a larger iGPU. The die of this CPU is huge. They simply had no space for 10 cores under this IHS.
However this thing is an embarrassement even for a 8c/16t CPU. Then you look at the price...
The 11900k didn't even sell out this morning when I was at my MC . As 12 pmest my MC still has 5 in stock at $615.
$615? Wow. Surprised anyone bought one of those.
Why not they just buy I9 10850k it's only 380$? And also 10c 20t
This experiment by Intel sounds like a waste of perfectly good sand.
Sand in swimwear.
Someone's been watching Steve
Microcenter has loads of 5800Xs for 429.99.
They've got > 25 at the Philly store.
5800X on amazon uk £425 with free delivery
11900k on ebuyer uk £429.99 but there is a delivery charge
I would still pick the AMD due to being in stock, cheaper and a much better cpu all round.
But that is just my thoughts and pick which ever fits your build and have fun.
I think you were looking at the wrong chip on Ebuyer, the i9-11900k is £529.98
@@b0bst3r yeah just checked, still picking AMD due to not wanting to buy a new mobo plus have to flush out all the amd software, good catch as didn't want to give bad intel.
Yes I did mean the plan on words too lol
@@gamingwithsmokeydan Yah AMD all the way for me too, currently on a 3600 and pondering if I need to upgrade.
@@b0bst3r sitting on a 3600x which I plan to upgrade to a 5600x and gift my dad my cpu for gaming, though with the price difference not much from a 5600x to a 5800x I may go with the 5800x depending on funds, stock and if a 3070 gpu is not in stock for a decent price.
@@gamingwithsmokeydan The 5800X makes more sense as an upgrade. Not that the 5600X is bad, it's not, just you're getting a more obvious uplift given it's a generation AND a tier above the 3600X.
When Intel finally masters the 7 nanometer process, AMD may already be on the 5 or 3 nanometer process.
Unless Intel skips and goes directly to the 3 nanometer process.
My 7700k is still doing everything I need, and I haven't even overclocked it at all so far
I just checked Newegg, and the 11900k are all sold out at $900 to $1100 so people got them. LOL
for once I actually hope scalper bots bought all of them.
the long time waited Intel vs AMD true test.