Why So Many Spray Foam Insulation Price Increases? | This has happened 3 times in last 20 years.
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- There have been 3 instances in the last 20 years where LARGE jumps happened in raw material costs for the spray foam and coating world. This most recent one is the worst of them all, but nothing new all the same. In this video I go over the 3 factors that have contributed to this variance and instability.
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January 2021 Canada had to now be using the HFO blowing agent. So an entire country just came on line to place demand on the Honeywell supply of Solstice HFO blowing agent. This changed demand drastically, which Honeywell knew about, but then other issues compounded their ability to meet demand.
I just heard today that Honeywell's non HFO blowing agent plant has been shut down for almost a year. No wonder I can't get foam.
This has been extremely encouraging as an owner operator! Thank you!!
Great to hear!
Incredible info ... and it's such a superb channel you created ... educating sooo many people on this process. You are giving back in a huge way. Hope your week is going perfect and thanks again for making the channel
Thanks a ton
Always great videos. Nationally, we've allowed too much consolidation by large companies - that encouraged gouging, offshore patent filing and profit taking without tax, and leaves us with inflation and low production. Even lumber mill operators were found to be colluding to drive up profits 100-fold in the same way last year. Small Government deregulation allows corruption and price fixing by monopolies here now. You rely on the industry and so I hear your political correctness in the face of a leadership void that hurts everyone - created by too few big businesses holding all of the cards.
My spray foam guy just finished today the majority of the work needed, everyone in the area is having problems getting spray foam. Hes been getting 2 to 3 drum sets a week from the supplier while hes always been installing 5 to 6 sets a week..
You have mentioned previously that you were going to do more videos on the sound transmission, rodent and pest control; what happened to those? Also another video idea is would you care to comment about whether it is a good idea to spray some foam on the underside of plywood/stairs to make the assembly more rigid/ less squeaky?
Ive seen this becoming a trend in the area in luxury homes and im not sure as to the actual benefits.
Keep up the great work, loving the videos!
The bug video is coming. I just have not been motivated to make it as of yet.
Backs of stairs are fine, as are many other areas of homes like just doing rafter heels. Maybe I'll do a video just dedicated to small things like that...
Great video Mike, so much information on the supply chain. Well done.
Glad it was helpful!
I got quoted 12 grand in Arkansas for 1050 square feet of closed cell spray foam. Way too much. Sad thing, is that it will be the spray foam businesses that suffer, when people just opt to go conventional. Why isnt the government getting on top of these huge price increases. This goes beyond the market and supply/demand.
People decided not to go foam 15 years ago when prices were cheaper then. If you have a mindset that something is too expensive it always will be.... You need to see the value in what you are buying today and what it will save you tomorrow.
Know why the rich get richer? They don't have a poverty mindset, when other people are pulling back and wringing their hands, they are buying. Then prices rise again and they own wealth.
@@SprayJones I'll just go with open cell and put a vapor barrier up. It's half the price
@@SprayJones it's not that I don't want it but there is such a thing as too much money. How much energy are you going to save over the course of 10 or 15 years you'll be in a property to justify the cost?
@@AllThatWasHidden Go watch the video series on walls and SPF. Look at the air leakage and water issues of batts. Not all ROI is just utility bills, look at building damage and destruction.
In the end only you can decide what your investment is worth.
@@AllThatWasHidden Fine. That is much better and better than batts. I would too.
Pricing in Toronto (GTA) is insane. Wanted to do my garage and was quoted 5k just for the ceiling and joist bays. I can't see a payback unless you live in the house for 25+ years.
How much do you get paid per day to live and work in TO? $200? $400? $800? $1000?
Your video was pretty interesting and you have a great way of communicating to someone who has not much knowledge on the subject. Have the problems in the industry persisted? Is the price increasing or has it come down?
Hello Mr. Jones, got my quote September 2020, was ready to do the project in the spring of 2021 but guess what the dam material price doubled due to the Texas refineries freezing up over winter. Just a confirmation comment for you. BTW the job is on indefinite hold.
Thanks, another great vid. Bob in Nevada
Thanks for watching!
watching this video footage while listening to you (and btw, very good and helpful info - ty) I keep thinking it would seem to make more sense on new construction to spray foam the outside of a basement before backfilling so the mass of the concrete could contribute to stability and keeping water away from it. Am I totally off base here?
No, not off base, just VERY weather dependent. No one wants to leave the hole open while the right weather conditions align for the SPF guys.
Would you be able to do a video about the many and different types of CC spray foam brands? So speaking and explaining about the quality, manufacturing, durability, premium or low end? It may be controversial but it would be so useful to get some information on this because other than the spec sheet, the buyers really don't know what is "good quality" long lasting, durable foam. Are there foams that deteriorate over time or loose R-value, etc. Ex, If product A has a strong R value and tight cells structure per square inch, may cause it to deteriorate faster than product B that has a slightly lover R value and hold its value for a longer duration. Or are they all just pretty much the same? What's the give and take in the variety products? Are there products to avoid? It may help justify why some companies charge more for their service when they are using a better product, if that's the case,
I cannot. Someone would be butt hurt and bitch.
Very interesting. How about a vid aimed at builders and customers where you how you want a site prepared....heating, woodwork, battens, a refrigerator for cokes, covering things up, how long it takes. Basically if you walked in to a building site and it was all perfect for you - what would you see. So a customer or a builder can know what to do before you get there and while you are there.
That was covered in Q&A video #2. We answer prep questions.
Another great video. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
Hi Spray Jones I was considering doing spray foam on a 40x60x16 clear span metal building instead of the rolls you can get with one side with a white tarpy material from the building company. What do you think? How about prep or anything you can tell me . I'm in USA California. I'm installing the building myself so I was thinking spray foam to ease the assembly of the building.
Jon, I love your videos. You made me consider spray foam seriously. How can I contact you and ask for advice ? My house is brick bult with arround 550sq m to insulate.
I have a question.. I just paid 2800$ for closed cell spray in my crawl space on my mobile home.. And there are alot of spots they didnt hit right or left gaps/ open spots with no foam.. Can i use " great stuff cans to fill these on the existing foam thy sprayed? Is it the same? Like insulation wise? Or whats my best bet?
Get them back! Ouch! You pay it should be full and complete.
If you are buggered on a return, yes you can use can foam....
Get them back. If they won’t come back make sure to get their name out there as a bad company. But at least try to let them make it right.
I wonder about what back door deals go on when companies like Honeywell or 3M end up with a monopoly on chemicals or technologies.
Ask the politicians lol
Your not kidding price went way up and I was luck enough to get a set at that . My supplier told me the same thing . I'm very concerned my jobs are just about to start up again and now this .well no one said it would be easy lol . My machine has been parked for 8 months did a glycol flush then filled with DOP I'm stressed about getting it going again really don't need supply troubles
It should flush out fine with DOP in it.
Best advice, buy chemical when you can and don't wait for the work, if you do you may have the work but no foam...
Do you have a film on them studs? They look shiny.
Yes
can we spay foam the pipes
Did material "go up" (supply and demand) or the value of the currency "go down" from governments printing extra currency? (Probably some of both)
Material went up, way up.
Honeywell has the patent on blowing agent and their CEO is on WEF with Klaus Schwab and great reset....
I had same, a customer priced 1.5” styrofoam for under concret he asked me to price 1” of foam and I was 10% less installed foam on a 40x80 floor than he could get styrofoam never mind he would have to get vapour barrier and all the Labour! Amd he didn’t have time to do it anyway
We picked up a full house where the previous SPF guy tried to double his asking price.
@@SprayJones I forwarded your videos to several customers about how thick foam should they Go and other videos you are a huge help in educating customers!!
I can buy a whole rig for what they want to spray with four spray sets
Lol... and I can buy a used lathe for what some machinist wants to charge me to make my parts...
@@SprayJones well i rather do that and get training and make money than theow it away sending some one and their family on a all inclusive paid holiday cause thats what they exspect pay for my rig and ill do it
Recently started building a shed to breed rodents in and got some quotes for getting the walls and roof sprayed.... I knew it wasn't gonna be cheap but oh my, one quote for 2in of closed cell was gonna cost what it cost in materials to build the darn thing..
That is normal and proper. You can't have bicycle prices for owning a car.
is it safe on pex A tubing?
What is A tubing? Pex we do all the time...
40$ an hour In foam business won’t work lol. I did 3 jobs lately be cause 3 diff contractors couldn’t do it equiptment broke down couldn’t chemical etc.... that’s happens when u don’t price right u can’t even afford to repair equiptment.
Yup! We are doing major overhauls right now. Geny motor rebuild and a new to us E30 to replace a 20 year old machine.
Got a couple in our area one just quoted $2.11 for 2" thick small garage 14x20
At the end of day he will be paying the customer 🤦
@@paulcormier7036 For sure. Wait until he has to buy parts and do repairs.
@@SprayJones I had My generator quit due to overcrank last week beeing booked solid still a very bad thing. Thank God it was a sensor and a blown starter so only 1K repair I was about prepared to run to Edmonton to pick up a refurbished 10-15k unit or brand new one for 24k if it wasn’t for charging appropriate for my work I couldn’t even think of replacing the generator it would’ve been tough but it would not through me out of business as I’m only doing this for 3 years now.
I hope I get another 7 years out of my h25 and Perkins generator 😃 befor major rebuild
🤣😂🤣😂 somebody just got called "underbrush". The reality of someone going out of business is sad, im not laughing at that. Best wishes to everyone.
Bleeding heart shows up.... I see all the "me too" companies that show up for 18 - 36 months, spray off ratio foam for half price, get people freaked out about the system, steal business away from the legit people and make foam look bad. Everything this channel is against.
So yes they are under brush and low, and need go away - the industry needs it and their small tears save homeowners giant tears from hiring those morons.
@@SprayJones I apologize if it seemed like I was suggesting that you were laughing at anyone. Or would that be bleeding also? Anyways, I understand benefits to forest fires.