Being a Seadoo Mechanic of nearly 12 years now, I can safely say this is an excellent video on what not to do when installing a wear ring and Impeller ! Wow !!! first the impeller should never be that tight -ever !!! it should spin freely with little to no friction,if it does not ,you have done one of two things incorrect, impeller or wear ring size is incorrect period ! rule #1 never force a part to fit that doesn't, I'm really surprised your pump when installed even would allow the ski to turn over and start, probably because you shaved off enough plastic off the wear ring installing it ,but in doing so you have now damaged the wear ring and impeller, you will be lucky too if you didnt warp the actual pump, it will probably fail before long !
So due tell Pat,how long have you been a personal watercraft mechanic lol, the whole reason a wear ring is there in the first place is to prevent you from having to replace your whole pump when in the event you suck a rock or other object up and damage occurs or it wears out naturally due to sand and water wearing down the clearance between the prop blades and the ring !causing cavitation. Hence the name wear ring !the prop should never be that tight or stuck ,when properly installed it should have at least a few thousands clearance ! I have installed a million of them, how many have you done ?
@@chriscurtis8052 when I bought my 95 xp800s back in 99? Or the HX in 97, only thing I haven't done was get paid to read a manual and work on my jetskis. SBT wear ring he probably got or some other aftermarket junk, metal will shave down the plastic and he'll be good to go.
I totally agree with ehdeesign. At the first sign of binding you should have stopped. There is obviously a mismatch here somewhere. I stopped the video before the end as well as I knew there wasn't going to be a good outcome to this. The lesson here is if you have to use significant force to assemble something, then something is seriously wrong. STOP and figure out what it is before proceeding.
Thank you for the REAL video, I hate when these things are edited out! You are not an idiot... my dad says that with a little sweet oil and patience, you can stretch a gnats ass over a rain barrel! Thanks
1997 GSX my wear ring and impeller is just as tight if not more. Reinstall impeller housing onto Sea-Doo take out engine plugs so there is no compression to fight against and then use starter to shave in new wear ring
Ok got a few tips for you , do with them as you will ,. #1 - " The engine turning will always keep the impeller tight " , That is not true , I have seen many Impellers back off the shaft from not being properly installed ,. the reason they are able to back off is when the engine is spinning high RPM , then you suddenly let off the gas ,. the 3 different forces working against each other , the inertia of the spinning metal , the g-forces of it slowing down suddenly , and the intake of massive amount of water still trying to rush through the pump ,.. this will actually cause the impeller to back off the shaft until you hit the gas again and it will tighten up a little bit ,. let off the gas and the impeller will loosen itself back up .#2 - The reason your impeller is hard to install is the wear ring was probably damaged when you installed it ,. little tip on that for next time ,.. spray the pump and wear ring down with soapy water , then install the wear ring ,. it slides in much easier without having to beat the crap out of it ..a new impeller and wear ring should never be that hard to install ,. it should drop right in with actual clearance around the blades and wear ring wall ,.. unless Skat Trak did not cut your blades enough ? That is a possibility ,.. but the way you installed the impeller the wear ring it was most likely slightly damaged and deformed #3 Loctite Is not *needed* for the driveshaft impeller ,. anti seize wont hurt either ,. but one important thing to do is TQ the impeller down to proper specs ,. Seadoo paid some engineer A LOT of money I'm sure to go through every part on a ski and determine what the proper TQ specs are ,... sure you can over TQ the impeller and not use Loctite ,. even though you say TQ'n down the impeller is not even needed ,.. that makes no sense at all bro lol ,. all you are doing by over TQ'n the impeller is you are putting more pressure on the pump bearings , meaning they are going to wear out much faster and get hotter which will degrade the pump oil sooner Other than that cool video man I got a good laugh from it thanks man haha .
Absolutely the wearing should only be leasing 8 16th from the impeller I miss a good wearing a should ride smoothly I put it in the freezer and ice drinks a little bit before it gets room temperature to go back is it easier way to install I like working on outdrive and a pinion gear has to go down right same thing works on a jet engine on an airplane and the vacuum section for a high-speed it back into itself to wear a ring
Numpty 🙈 !! As soon as you felt it go that tight why not stop and see what was wrong instead of messing up another wear ring before your even finished installing it ! Lol
Guys here is the best solution for a proper jet pump/wear ring/impeller installation.. 1Go to Ebay and buy a brand new pump with new bearings / lube/ect. for $364 from Bay Area power sports... 2.when asked if you want the square trade agreement for $24.95 ,accept it...(this will warranty our new pump UNCONDITIONALLY for 1 year...we all pick up sandy,garavel,obstructions..) 3. (optional step but advised since your existing impeller is most likely getting worn anyway) buy new impeller with same unconditional warranty. 4. take new parts, assemble, and install on Seadoo. 5.ENJOY !!! time is money.. these newer pumps are nylon/abs and can damage easily when the old ring is being worked on... If you can afford it just buy new parts.You are far better off. Im not being sarcastic, im being honest.
This video is "WHAT NOT TO DO" he needs the proper wear ring... clearances are all wrong for that impeller. Too many people selling crap on ebay stating it fits dozens of different model skis..... well it doesn't... obviously. Too tight can catch and spin the wear ring around till its destroyed. impellers flex slightly under load. that one is now junk from all the forcing it in.
I had a similar problem......not near as hard as yours.......BUT.......when I put it back on I forgot to take my rag out that was holding the shaft up......and of course when I put it in the water, it sucks the rag right in and destroyed the new wear ring.......woo hoo.......lol......at least I had a spare ring and I didn't mess the engine up......lol.......ah yes, the fun of DIY.....lol........ride on man !!!!!
First rule of mechanical assembly. If you have to use significant force, then something is VERY wrong. I cannot even watch this to the end, cause I already know the outcome.
Awesome video. I've literally just come up against the same thing. Good to know if I persist it'll work out. Love the honestly man great stuff. Cheers mate....Dan :-)
This is correct but an easy way of bending a tail blade causing a shutter in your ski as you ride, it should be tight enough that the ski will turn over and with the engine power the prop will cut its own path ensuring the tightest fit possible, however your correct you should have removed the prop again and ensure it is still true pitch
just off to do this myself! I got an aftermarket wear ring which left a 1mm gap around my impeller...so I got the impeller built up 1mm, now its at tight as a Nuns nunny. Im hoping the tight bit is just at the outter edge and will just slip into place below this...wish me luck
The impeller SHOULD NOT touch the wear ring but should be very close tolerance. This is video for when you buy junk parts online like a cheap wear ring.
@Sea Life Never even got to test it dang piece of crap ski, But it looked pretty good, probably little looser than oem clearances, be careful with shallow water and it should be fine, I paid $14 for a blue wear ring, wasnt a big job so if you diy its worth a shot
I have a question did you clean the pump before you put the were ring that's what happens wen you dont look good but eventually the propel will were out ring
i had a new impeller and wear ring put in my seadoo and it wont turn over since! impeller is too tight, exactly like in this vid! so im currently working on wearing down the wear ring just like you have done but im wondering how freely your impeller spun before you put back on the seadoo???
Ezekiel Pearce Yikes, I already feel bad for you. Mine didn't go back on the seadoo until I could spin everything with minimal effort, while still having a bit of resistance.
Ezekiel Pearce absolute madness is right!! I think I was just the unlucky victim of poor quality control. One other person on here said it happened to them too, but that's all I've heard so far.
Wow I didn't expect it to be stiff like that! Obviously it worked out but it didn't seem like it at first. do you have any idea if that's normal? Also im glad u posted this vid up cuz ill be buying a seadoo soon and if that were to happen to me I will just have to put in some elbow grease and it should be good! keep up the seadoo vids the good weather is approaching!!
Freezer would shrink it all. Of anything put just the impeller in the freezer. Wouldn’t help though it’s clearly not the right part. Don’t take this guys advice.
To remove the wear ring from the pump assembly the freezer is the only way to go - no chiseling, cutting, swearing etc. pop the new ring in the freezer and it taps right in. I've done this 3x on 2 different skis. It works!
Being a Seadoo Mechanic of nearly 12 years now, I can safely say this is an excellent video on what not to do when installing a wear ring and Impeller ! Wow !!! first the impeller should never be that tight -ever !!! it should spin freely with little to no friction,if it does not ,you have done one of two things incorrect, impeller or wear ring size is incorrect period ! rule #1 never force a part to fit that doesn't, I'm really surprised your pump when installed even would allow the ski to turn over and start, probably because you shaved off enough plastic off the wear ring installing it ,but in doing so you have now damaged the wear ring and impeller, you will be lucky too if you didnt warp the actual pump, it will probably fail before long !
wrong, you want a tight fit. Thats the whole reason you put in a new wear ring.
So due tell Pat,how long have you been a personal watercraft mechanic lol, the whole reason a wear ring is there in the first place is to prevent you from having to replace your whole pump when in the event you suck a rock or other object up and damage occurs or it wears out naturally due to sand and water wearing down the clearance between the prop blades and the ring !causing cavitation. Hence the name wear ring !the prop should never be that tight or stuck ,when properly installed it should have at least a few thousands clearance ! I have installed a million of them, how many have you done ?
@@chriscurtis8052 when I bought my 95 xp800s back in 99? Or the HX in 97, only thing I haven't done was get paid to read a manual and work on my jetskis. SBT wear ring he probably got or some other aftermarket junk, metal will shave down the plastic and he'll be good to go.
OMG the comic relief from this was amazing thanks for posting as most ppl wouldn't ever admit they screwed up
I like the effort. Looks like a 155mm ring in a 159mm impeller. She's gonna be tight and have some of the tightest clearances. Nice vid like it.
I totally agree with ehdeesign. At the first sign of binding you should have stopped. There is obviously a mismatch here somewhere. I stopped the video before the end as well as I knew there wasn't going to be a good outcome to this. The lesson here is if you have to use significant force to assemble something, then something is seriously wrong. STOP and figure out what it is before proceeding.
Thank you for the REAL video, I hate when these things are edited out! You are not an idiot... my dad says that with a little sweet oil and patience, you can stretch a gnats ass over a rain barrel! Thanks
1997 GSX my wear ring and impeller is just as tight if not more. Reinstall impeller housing onto Sea-Doo take out engine plugs so there is no compression to fight against and then use starter to shave in new wear ring
Omg unreal this guy does not know how much hes wrecked it lol
Ok got a few tips for you , do with them as you will ,. #1 - " The engine turning will always keep the impeller tight " , That is not true , I have seen many Impellers back off the shaft from not being properly installed ,. the reason they are able to back off is when the engine is spinning high RPM , then you suddenly let off the gas ,. the 3 different forces working against each other , the inertia of the spinning metal , the g-forces of it slowing down suddenly , and the intake of massive amount of water still trying to rush through the pump ,.. this will actually cause the impeller to back off the shaft until you hit the gas again and it will tighten up a little bit ,. let off the gas and the impeller will loosen itself back up .#2 - The reason your impeller is hard to install is the wear ring was probably damaged when you installed it ,. little tip on that for next time ,.. spray the pump and wear ring down with soapy water , then install the wear ring ,. it slides in much easier without having to beat the crap out of it ..a new impeller and wear ring should never be that hard to install ,. it should drop right in with actual clearance around the blades and wear ring wall ,.. unless Skat Trak did not cut your blades enough ? That is a possibility ,.. but the way you installed the impeller the wear ring it was most likely slightly damaged and deformed #3 Loctite Is not *needed* for the driveshaft impeller ,. anti seize wont hurt either ,. but one important thing to do is TQ the impeller down to proper specs ,. Seadoo paid some engineer A LOT of money I'm sure to go through every part on a ski and determine what the proper TQ specs are ,... sure you can over TQ the impeller and not use Loctite ,. even though you say TQ'n down the impeller is not even needed ,.. that makes no sense at all bro lol ,. all you are doing by over TQ'n the impeller is you are putting more pressure on the pump bearings , meaning they are going to wear out much faster and get hotter which will degrade the pump oil sooner Other than that cool video man I got a good laugh from it thanks man haha .
Absolutely the wearing should only be leasing 8 16th from the impeller I miss a good wearing a should ride smoothly I put it in the freezer and ice drinks a little bit before it gets room temperature to go back is it easier way to install I like working on outdrive and a pinion gear has to go down right same thing works on a jet engine on an airplane and the vacuum section for a high-speed it back into itself to wear a ring
Numpty 🙈 !! As soon as you felt it go that tight why not stop and see what was wrong instead of messing up another wear ring before your even finished installing it ! Lol
Guys here is the best solution for a proper jet pump/wear ring/impeller installation..
1Go to Ebay and buy a brand new pump with new bearings / lube/ect. for $364 from Bay Area power sports...
2.when asked if you want the square trade agreement for $24.95 ,accept it...(this will warranty our new pump UNCONDITIONALLY for 1 year...we all pick up sandy,garavel,obstructions..)
3. (optional step but advised since your existing impeller is most likely getting worn anyway) buy new impeller with same unconditional warranty.
4. take new parts, assemble, and install on Seadoo.
5.ENJOY !!!
time is money.. these newer pumps are nylon/abs and can damage easily when the old ring is being worked on...
If you can afford it just buy new parts.You are far better off.
Im not being sarcastic, im being honest.
"Wow, this is tight... how is this possible, I used vaseline " 🤣🤣🤣
This video is "WHAT NOT TO DO" he needs the proper wear ring... clearances are all wrong for that impeller. Too many people selling crap on ebay stating it fits dozens of different model skis..... well it doesn't... obviously. Too tight can catch and spin the wear ring around till its destroyed. impellers flex slightly under load. that one is now junk from all the forcing it in.
I had a similar problem......not near as hard as yours.......BUT.......when I put it back on I forgot to take my rag out that was holding the shaft up......and of course when I put it in the water, it sucks the rag right in and destroyed the new wear ring.......woo hoo.......lol......at least I had a spare ring and I didn't mess the engine up......lol.......ah yes, the fun of DIY.....lol........ride on man !!!!!
Hahaha, aw brutal!! Sorry to hear that, lol. I bet the re-replacement went twice as quick though.
First rule of mechanical assembly. If you have to use significant force, then something is VERY wrong. I cannot even watch this to the end, cause I already know the outcome.
What's the outcome then?
The outcome is it works fine
Reinstall just the impeller back onto the Sea-Doo take out your spark plugs and use the power of the starter to turn it over and shave the ring in
Awesome video. I've literally just come up against the same thing. Good to know if I persist it'll work out. Love the honestly man great stuff.
Cheers mate....Dan :-)
I'm dealing with the exact same problem right now, and I can't even describe how bad it sucks!!!
Persevere! It sucks, but you'll get it fitted right eventually. Don't be afraid to sand down the impeller edges every now and then too.
This is correct but an easy way of bending a tail blade causing a shutter in your ski as you ride, it should be tight enough that the ski will turn over and with the engine power the prop will cut its own path ensuring the tightest fit possible, however your correct you should have removed the prop again and ensure it is still true pitch
just off to do this myself! I got an aftermarket wear ring which left a 1mm gap around my impeller...so I got the impeller built up 1mm, now its at tight as a Nuns nunny. Im hoping the tight bit is just at the outter edge and will just slip into place below this...wish me luck
Best of luck man! Let me know how it goes.
Best part when you say: What have i done here.! it feels like a permenent fixture now..
Did a lot of rings.. they can be hard time to get in.
you keep your calm.. but i know.. :)
W Jansen haha... And you're absolutely right.
Wrong wear ring! Replace with thinner wearing!
If your doing the impeller AND wear ring ALWAYS install the impeller first freeze the housing and ring and they just slide together
Nobody learns SHIT when things go right but we learn lots when things go WRONG!!! Haha
Hahaha amen to that!
The impeller SHOULD NOT touch the wear ring but should be very close tolerance. This is video for when you buy junk parts online like a cheap wear ring.
Boy am I glad I just went with a super cheap wear ring and left the impeller alone completely lol
@Sea Life Never even got to test it dang piece of crap ski, But it looked pretty good, probably little looser than oem clearances, be careful with shallow water and it should be fine, I paid $14 for a blue wear ring, wasnt a big job so if you diy its worth a shot
Aftermarket parts are a pita sometimes, specs are not correct.
I'm guessing without watching the rest of the video, you installed the wrong size wear ring?
*Update* I was wrong. Dang that sucks.
That is definitely the wrong propeller or wearing diameter for the application
I have a question did you clean the pump before you put the were ring that's what happens wen you dont look good but eventually the propel will were out ring
i had a new impeller and wear ring put in my seadoo and it wont turn over since! impeller is too tight, exactly like in this vid! so im currently working on wearing down the wear ring just like you have done but im wondering how freely your impeller spun before you put back on the seadoo???
Ezekiel Pearce Yikes, I already feel bad for you. Mine didn't go back on the seadoo until I could spin everything with minimal effort, while still having a bit of resistance.
Bogie Wheelz did you ever figure out why it is so tight? Is it the wrong wear ring? This is absolute madness
Ezekiel Pearce absolute madness is right!! I think I was just the unlucky victim of poor quality control. One other person on here said it happened to them too, but that's all I've heard so far.
Also it should be said that your TDR exhaust sounds Dirty as fuck man!! Way better when its in water!
Wow I didn't expect it to be stiff like that! Obviously it worked out but it didn't seem like it at first. do you have any idea if that's normal? Also im glad u posted this vid up cuz ill be buying a seadoo soon and if that were to happen to me I will just have to put in some elbow grease and it should be good! keep up the seadoo vids the good weather is approaching!!
Seems like there might be a device to wear that propeller into place Better I think it might be called the engine an gasoline lol
What if you would've put the whole assembly in the freezer?
Freezer would shrink it all. Of anything put just the impeller in the freezer. Wouldn’t help though it’s clearly not the right part. Don’t take this guys advice.
To remove the wear ring from the pump assembly the freezer is the only way to go - no chiseling, cutting, swearing etc. pop the new ring in the freezer and it taps right in. I've done this 3x on 2 different skis. It works!
Leave it in freezer for about 3 hrs
eh men bro, just did both drives with upgraded ipmellers
on my challenger.
Did you ever get the seadoo back onto the water?
I did thanks! Runs great and has excellent power out of the hole. It's actually for sale now as I got myself an XP 800.
Right on, hopefully you've get some vids of the new one soon!
The ring was put in the right orientation rite??? Their tapered
Josh Fletcher certainly was, because there's a lip that sits over the outer edge, only allowing it to fit in one direction.
Does it still alive mor videos please
Putting wear ring in the freazer first before you install the inpeller to $shaft
That would make it shrink and it already doesn’t fit you dumbass.
@@richie2dicks468 🤣🤣🤣🤣 same shit I was thinking 😂😂😂
Wow! this video is what not to do. You probably ruined the pitch of the impeller and gouged the hell out of the wear ring.
Jim Smith nope and nope, impeller looked good and the wear ring had no visible damage to it.
wrong wear ring
Numbnut Canadians...
Impeller is bent.should not be like that.