Yea I don’t blame ya. You could just keep some stuff sleeved and not others. Like don’t sleeve the solo cards, and don’t sleeve the objective cards, etc. make it work in other ways.
I was able to get sleeved cards into the new insert without any issues. I used gamegenic sleeves and everything fit fine. And to clarify, I’ve got all the expansions too.
My errata cards where exactly the same as the other ones. So I didn't know what to throw out. You don't need all monument cards now, do you? So take out them and you get a ton of room.
@@KMReviews I do not have the solo expansion. But where you put them in your insert I just put other bits. All my cards are sleeved in the 3 card bins. The larger cardboard pieces are weird that they did not make the one side section just a tiny bigger. I also have all cardboard money as well and still had space.
@@MerrillWhiteKalEl well that makes sense why yours fits sleeved cards then. I was pointing out if you have everything it Doenst fit sleeved cards. But I’ll live, I unsleeved everything and it fits fine.
Havent gotten mine yet but I'm not too worried about the sleeved cards not fitting. Im probably just gonna sleeve the lot cards anyways. Dont really see the need to sleeve the monument cards and other stuff. Shame about the big tokens though.
Yea if you don’t sleeve absolutely every card you will be fine. Or if you don’t have the solo cards they will probly fit too. This was to show for the people who want to sleeve every single card because they advertised all sleeved cards would fit.
@@KMReviews yeah Even if I sleeve a lot of my games I don't demand inserts to take it into consideration. But since they said in a video that it fits it does cause some irritation
Yet another FAQ that is off the mark on sleeves " The new tray will not only hold the new components but will be better designed to hold the existing components as well (including sleeved cards!)" The trouble with saying including sleeved cards is that the creators never tell us the exact sleeve standard they used for this consideration. IMHO they should go ahead and support 100 micron thickness sleeves but I realize that could be a very huge debate as it does effectively double the storage and weight reqs. The tray may well have been designed to support the weight of non-sleeved cards instead of sleeved cards. I'm leaning to keep an eye on the etsy 3d printer market for inserts for this game and its expansion. Nothing yet but time will tell.
@@KMReviews Swapped my Sleeve Kings 100 micron for some random sleeves I had on hand and got them to fit ok. I'm assuming they may have been 60 microns instead of 100. Also the FFG style of the 100 micron sleeves were too tall anyway for both the original tray and the new tray anyway. Sad we can't seem to get more creators supporting the "FFG" sleeve standard of the years of yore, especially since Sleeve Kings took the standard over. Yes I agree with the tokens being weird in the way they have to lay at an angle. I think my largest concern though is that the tray itself will just succumb to the weight of everything inside in no time flat through normal wear and tear. Then what the heck am I'm going to do if this thing is in shambles? Looking forward to someone printing a 3d solution for this that can slide into the original box that is more sturdy. I don't expect a 3rd party solution to be able to support 100 micron premium sleeves (whether FFG standard or not). Doesn't seem like there is enough room for that redesign but I could be wrong. The 3d designers out there are amazing in their customization.
Really annoying that it doesn’t fit sleeved cards, really is a basic requirement imo, have had similar issues with some other pledges I had arrive recently, makes it feel like the designers don’t understand the customer at all...poor tbh!
Now I do have thick sleeves because I use dragon shield ones. Also if you don’t use the solo cards, you may be able to get close.. but it’s really annoying to me that those big tokens don’t fit in that tray with the others by millimeters. I tho k they could have adjusted a few things. But I think this is why there’s no official video showing it with sleeved cards. In the Kickstarter update he just says “I tested it with sleeved cards and it fits” but they won’t show that lol.
I honestly dont understand people who sleeve games. I used to do it but honestly its such a giant waste of money. Dont drink at the table and you are set. You are never going to play games enough to damage the cards by "use" and if you are unlucky and destroy the game, you can either try to get replacement cards or rebuy the game and you will still be way ahead in your spendings. Sleevers are basically an insurance that never pays off but inconvenience you on top of it. That being said, I really appreciate your video :)
Honestly I feel the same way. With HUGE decks sleeving can make shuffling easier the way they slide together. But when I first got into gaming I was convinced sleeving was necessary because I knew a guy who would play trick taking games and knew what every card was based on every little ding. I’ve learned over time that was a rarety and I’ve slowly desleeved my games. I agree it’s way too expensive for what it does. That’s why I desleeved this one too lol. Now I have a ton of extra
@@KMReviews Yah I think I went through the same path. Thought sleeving was a must. Also when you start getting into board games you have this illusion youll play a game dozens of times but then you quickly realize that in reality, you end up playing the vast majority of games only a few times because you might, like me get many games lol But yah, I guess there are exceptions...if you know your favorite game youll play a TONS and its out of print, I suppose it may be worth it but this should be the exception.
A Foundations of Rome-related video might not be the BEST example of your "rebuy the game and still be ahead" philosophy. 😂But even a deck builder with 300 cards is what, 6 packs of under $4 Gamegenic sleeves? If they're standard card size sleeves, you can even get the bulk 200 ct sleeves for around $9 from Game Nerdz. Something like Splendor, which is easily replaced, I don't sleeve, but I do sleeve pretty much everything else. And it isn't even so much protection, it is about the infinitely more satisfying shuffling with sleeved cards. 🤩
@@RickKoeppen If you play a game very often and you shuffle a lot, its totally worth it. For 99.99999% of people, its not worth it because we dont play game nearly as often as we should to make it worthwhile. But at the end of the day, its your money and your life so whatever makes you happy. Id rather save the money since the hobby is expensive enough as is.
Thanks for sharing. I use Dragon Shields as well. Not quite ready to de-sleeve everything.
Yea I don’t blame ya. You could just keep some stuff sleeved and not others. Like don’t sleeve the solo cards, and don’t sleeve the objective cards, etc. make it work in other ways.
I was able to get sleeved cards into the new insert without any issues. I used gamegenic sleeves and everything fit fine. And to clarify, I’ve got all the expansions too.
@@robertmitchell3030 would love to see a video on how. It’s probly just a matter of the thickness of the sleeves.
My errata cards where exactly the same as the other ones. So I didn't know what to throw out.
You don't need all monument cards now, do you?
So take out them and you get a ton of room.
You do need all the monument cards be because they are different. You essentially have 2 versions for each building.
Expected deliver was June 2023, I received mine in May 2024.
That's just not ok.
I completely agree. Especially for something so simple.
Mine fit all my sleeved cards fine. I use sleeve kings.
You fit the solo cards and everything too?
@@KMReviews I do not have the solo expansion. But where you put them in your insert I just put other bits. All my cards are sleeved in the 3 card bins. The larger cardboard pieces are weird that they did not make the one side section just a tiny bigger. I also have all cardboard money as well and still had space.
@@MerrillWhiteKalEl well that makes sense why yours fits sleeved cards then. I was pointing out if you have everything it Doenst fit sleeved cards. But I’ll live, I unsleeved everything and it fits fine.
Havent gotten mine yet but I'm not too worried about the sleeved cards not fitting. Im probably just gonna sleeve the lot cards anyways. Dont really see the need to sleeve the monument cards and other stuff.
Shame about the big tokens though.
Yea if you don’t sleeve absolutely every card you will be fine. Or if you don’t have the solo cards they will probly fit too. This was to show for the people who want to sleeve every single card because they advertised all sleeved cards would fit.
@@KMReviews yeah
Even if I sleeve a lot of my games I don't demand inserts to take it into consideration.
But since they said in a video that it fits it does cause some irritation
Yet another FAQ that is off the mark on sleeves " The new tray will not only hold the new components but will be better designed to hold the existing components as well (including sleeved cards!)" The trouble with saying including sleeved cards is that the creators never tell us the exact sleeve standard they used for this consideration. IMHO they should go ahead and support 100 micron thickness sleeves but I realize that could be a very huge debate as it does effectively double the storage and weight reqs. The tray may well have been designed to support the weight of non-sleeved cards instead of sleeved cards. I'm leaning to keep an eye on the etsy 3d printer market for inserts for this game and its expansion. Nothing yet but time will tell.
I agree since sleeves can vary with thickness. But I’m more disappointed with it not fitting the tokens the way they should.
@@KMReviews Swapped my Sleeve Kings 100 micron for some random sleeves I had on hand and got them to fit ok. I'm assuming they may have been 60 microns instead of 100. Also the FFG style of the 100 micron sleeves were too tall anyway for both the original tray and the new tray anyway. Sad we can't seem to get more creators supporting the "FFG" sleeve standard of the years of yore, especially since Sleeve Kings took the standard over. Yes I agree with the tokens being weird in the way they have to lay at an angle. I think my largest concern though is that the tray itself will just succumb to the weight of everything inside in no time flat through normal wear and tear. Then what the heck am I'm going to do if this thing is in shambles? Looking forward to someone printing a 3d solution for this that can slide into the original box that is more sturdy. I don't expect a 3rd party solution to be able to support 100 micron premium sleeves (whether FFG standard or not). Doesn't seem like there is enough room for that redesign but I could be wrong. The 3d designers out there are amazing in their customization.
Really annoying that it doesn’t fit sleeved cards, really is a basic requirement imo, have had similar issues with some other pledges I had arrive recently, makes it feel like the designers don’t understand the customer at all...poor tbh!
Now I do have thick sleeves because I use dragon shield ones. Also if you don’t use the solo cards, you may be able to get close.. but it’s really annoying to me that those big tokens don’t fit in that tray with the others by millimeters. I tho k they could have adjusted a few things. But I think this is why there’s no official video showing it with sleeved cards. In the Kickstarter update he just says “I tested it with sleeved cards and it fits” but they won’t show that lol.
I honestly dont understand people who sleeve games. I used to do it but honestly its such a giant waste of money. Dont drink at the table and you are set. You are never going to play games enough to damage the cards by "use" and if you are unlucky and destroy the game, you can either try to get replacement cards or rebuy the game and you will still be way ahead in your spendings. Sleevers are basically an insurance that never pays off but inconvenience you on top of it.
That being said, I really appreciate your video :)
Honestly I feel the same way. With HUGE decks sleeving can make shuffling easier the way they slide together. But when I first got into gaming I was convinced sleeving was necessary because I knew a guy who would play trick taking games and knew what every card was based on every little ding. I’ve learned over time that was a rarety and I’ve slowly desleeved my games. I agree it’s way too expensive for what it does. That’s why I desleeved this one too lol. Now I have a ton of extra
@@KMReviews Yah I think I went through the same path. Thought sleeving was a must. Also when you start getting into board games you have this illusion youll play a game dozens of times but then you quickly realize that in reality, you end up playing the vast majority of games only a few times because you might, like me get many games lol
But yah, I guess there are exceptions...if you know your favorite game youll play a TONS and its out of print, I suppose it may be worth it but this should be the exception.
@@rb4551 yes I have so many I’m
Lucky if I play a game once a year lol
A Foundations of Rome-related video might not be the BEST example of your "rebuy the game and still be ahead" philosophy. 😂But even a deck builder with 300 cards is what, 6 packs of under $4 Gamegenic sleeves? If they're standard card size sleeves, you can even get the bulk 200 ct sleeves for around $9 from Game Nerdz. Something like Splendor, which is easily replaced, I don't sleeve, but I do sleeve pretty much everything else. And it isn't even so much protection, it is about the infinitely more satisfying shuffling with sleeved cards. 🤩
@@RickKoeppen If you play a game very often and you shuffle a lot, its totally worth it. For 99.99999% of people, its not worth it because we dont play game nearly as often as we should to make it worthwhile. But at the end of the day, its your money and your life so whatever makes you happy. Id rather save the money since the hobby is expensive enough as is.