Wow... soo soo thankful to God for the blessing of having this presentation and the prior one from Dr. Kietkamp available. We need to listen and ponder and make personal decisions with this information.
Praise the lord for blessing us with DR Conrad Vines presence in this series he is one of Gods great followers and teachers in these trying times…was surprised to see him there after all the confusion. 🙏☝️☝️
Before I never thought about “Religious Liberty” until Censorship against brother Dr Conard Vine ignited/burst into flames. Listening the last 2 presentations about our church history, I said: Lord, thanks for Dr Vine and his team. Powerful message here, brethren. ❤
Praise God. We need to wake up spiritually. We complain, whine, judge, criticize, compromise, get offended, depend on the church, GC etc etc but we must stop it and pick up our cross and follow Christ til the end!!! That includes me!!! Great message! Thank you, Village Church.
It is astonishing. Praise God for the outstanding servants of Him who know history and science as well as the Holy Bible. Stand up Village SDA Church more and more stand for the truth though the heavens fall. Praise the Lord.
This is a vitally important lesson. If we're not quick, or if we're unwilling, to stand firm in faith on small issues when the cost is low, then we will NIOT stand in faith on the large issues when the cost appears to be high. And we must remind one another of this, regularly and consistently. Come out of Babylon, lest ye partake of her sins and share in her plagues! Revelation 18
This is extremely informative and interesting. We need to recognise that these speakers are not talking against our leadership but pointing out that leadership is not infallible. In fact it historical shows it will go with the flow and follow current thought and philosophy. We, as members, need to learn not to follow, but to stand firm on Present Truth regardless how our leaders, friends, families stand. We must always keep in mind God will have His remnant, and we must learn to stand strong. We must look to God, not to the church. Our crisis is before us!!
Thank you so much for this eye-opening message! He used to be our pastor in the eastern part of Austria. God bless him and all the speakers as well as all listening.
Thanks for sharing the truth about our church history in Germany. Very sad how things were handled at that time. Sadly, history will most likely repeat itself towards the close of earth's history. No compromise! Stand up for liberty og conscience through God's will and his word!
I am shocked 😳. I am an Austrian Seventh Day Adventist historian and I never heard anything about it!! I was baptized 1982, so 2005, I was around, going to church every Sabbath, never heard about it. Thank you for the research, the presentation and for uploading. It sheds a lot of light on my family s sad story of being under rassist attack by the church leaders in the 1980s !! And I understand why the German SDA church, especially the north has given up all SDA principles.
The SDA church in South Africa did the same - compromise during the time of apartheid! They hid their head in the sand, while terrible suffering happened to most of the population of South Africa. The SDA church, instead of being the head, was the tail. We should have been ahead of the Anglican church who was the leading church who fought against apartheid.
This is an eye opener to me .we ain't seen nothing yet. Thank you very much for this video. Dr Vine you have to be strong .and thank you. Who can deny this. Oh God our sins are many!!!many...
thanks für showing the truth that we may see and learn und forgive - with the hope that each of us may see and learn from this tragical history and not be silent
I wish my dad was alive to hear this sermon. My dad grew up in Holland during the war. There family hid the pastor of there village because he worked for the resistance. One of the last conversations I had with my dad was….”what would you do if you knew, you were to be caught, you would all be killed?” Thank you for your sermon. Makes me stronger in my conviction.
Excellent presentation and historical factual review ⚠️ May Holy Spirit power help us currently Only to repeat what's righteous and heavenly from history and avoid these historical compromising evil decisions🙏⚠️
Possibly the leadership made those compromises , I am a Jew, and I knew Jews who were hidden in the Adventist houses including in pastor houses so the results were conversion of those Jews to Adventist Faith, is very sad to listen to a lot of critical information about the SDA leaders, if there's something that not help to our faith is better to close the lips Jesus still loves Jews and His Church so we must take up His flag of love and talk about it because Satan is moving all hints to take out our faith and go against the leaders of the Church, I trust in God only He knows who we are and His judgement is in His Hand only, we must admire His patience and Love He is seeking to save every people nevermind who is it, we must learn His amazing tolerance that He has knowing our mistakes and sins He is waiting for us, please try to talk about Him because He is perfect and look at Him we learn how to be, blessed be all the humble people because they will see the face of God.
Amazing presentation! I am very grateful for this faithful pastor. I read some of the articles that discuss the silence of SDA church during Nazi era, however I never heard a sermon or lecture in the church that so well explained the problem. Why? If the Church cannot admit what it did wrong in the past, how can it hope that the same mistake won't be repeated again.
What happened in Germany is very similar to what happened during the p a n d e m ic, there are many similarities, for example, if you were not vaccinated (jew), you were not allowed to enter the church. The same pattern in our leadership in the past and I believe will be in the future. Thank you for this so vital information.
I Listen and weep as I hear the heart wrenching story of this family. I praise God that I choose to lose my job than to go against my concience. I have incurred a lot of debt BUT, I rather to have my health than to be in a situation similar to this family. The truth is that many people suffered the same result or worse and has been testifying of what happened to them. It doesn't matter what brand of the shot they got. There are credible witnesses on every side. My mother took Pfizer, and I am here contending with the same issue.She had 3 strokes within a 5 month period in addition ,there is brain bleeding and cognitive issues which is now showing itself as dementia. There are no medical answers, you are referred to a bunch of specialists who they themselves dosen't know what is happening. The test results are always negative.... there's no answers or reasonable explanation.....the only explanation is the poison, which was manufactured by Satan and his disciples. May God help us to stay clear of Babylon and her gifts that she is offering to the whole world.
I wonder if those magazines had to be vetted by Nazis before they were published. With the type of hostile society then, someone was possibly forced to write or publish those magazines in an effort not to unravel the progress of the regime. That does not sound like the church and we should be careful but if this was the disappointing response to those laws then we should be vigilant that we stand firm and brave when the test of our time is come.
I would say that is what the Pastor was referring to when he said the church paid a high price because they had to then reflect the message of the regime.
Why can’t you see that World War One and two was a shaking in the Adventist church where the faithful stayed on the platform of truth and the tares stayed in the fallen organisation. The shaking began back there
12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me thad did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him: 13 Bat it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance. Psalm 55, 12. 13.
When sacrifice of life, being faithful unto death is presented, many will find out they were just social church attendees never having faced the Spirit of Truth 🙏🕊🍇
Conrad Vine is an incredible man to walk into that snake pit and have to endure the knives in the back. What a noble man.......certainly can't say the same about Ron Kelly. He should resign!
It's interesting that at the end of these talks Conrad Vine's comments are cut short, we are not allowed to hear his commentary on the presentation... so sad.
If those occupying positions of responsibility were as fully resolved to obey God’s law as they are to make laws for governing those in their service, our institutions would be managed along right lines. Those who occupy positions of trust are to make it their highest aim to know God, as revealed in His Word; for to know Him aright is life eternal. Josiah proposed that those highest in authority unite in solemnly covenanting before the Lord to cooperate with one another in bringing about a reformation. “The king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the Lord, to walk after the Lord, and to keep His. GCB April 1, 1903, page 30.9-GCB April 1, 1903, page 30.10
I'd like to hear the official position of the members of Village SDA Church now, not of their pastor. The same ones who attended the above presentation and then commented in shock on the facts presented. I'd like to hear it, because from Nazi Common Good to COVID-19 Common Good we have unfortunately witnessed, though in a more subtle way, the same attack on our liberty of conscience, Christian principles, and SDA truths. It's paramount to learn from our past, embrace it, and stand up or else we are condemned to repeat the same sins. Silence is the worst answer; in fact it follows the same lukewarm attitude and path described in the Laodicean Church age. We must work for unity within the Church, but also compromise and sin must be denounced and exposed. A change of position in the GC has to take place sooner rather than later (maybe 60 years from now). Christ is coming soon, and the next correction of the Church (see Matthew 18 and 25/the sheep and the goats) is going to be The Judgment. Since Abel's assassination, the "You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish." has justified the propaganda machine of satan's regime up to now. We cannot claim to be part of the true remnant and hide ourselves behind the bush. GOD knows our spiritual position before asking, as He did with Adam. In Jeremiah 44, the supposed remnant, after the destruction of both Nation and Jerusalem, was still stubbornly proclaiming: "... for the word you have spoken to us in the name of the LORD, we will not listen to you! Instead, we will do everything we vowed to do: We will burn incense to the queen of heaven and offer drink offerings to her, just as we, our fathers, our kings, and our officials did in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. ...(and) The women added, “When we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes impressed with her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”." It is a matter of free choice, but whatever we are going to sow now, we will harvest later on. We have been warned. Regarding the 144,000 we read: "...and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are blameless. ...Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: ...; and their works do follow them." Responsibility is the price of freedom, and it's personal. No denomination or organization can change and avoid that. In fact, leaders are judged before and more severely than the others (investigative judgment). Revelation 2:16 reads; ""Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth." That means that our leaders are accountable for those under their spiritual care. No surprises if they are removed and punished meanwhile leading others astray, and teaching them to compromise. The same strange fire they kindle will be the true witness against them, as it was for Aaron's sons. I hope our leaders can repent sooner rather than later, and change their mind, intellect, will, way of thinking, opinions, views, and worldly accommodations. Ellen G. White proclaimed the following: "We have far more to fear from within than from without. The hindrances to strength and success are far greater from the Church itself than from the world. Unbelievers have a right to expect that those who profess to be keeping the commandments of GOD and the faith of Jesus, will do more than any other class to promote and honor, by their consistent lives, by their godly example and their active influence, the cause which they represent. But how often have the professed advocates of the truth proved the greatest obstacle to its advancement! The unbelief indulged, the doubts expressed, the darkness cherished, encourage the presence of evil angels, and open the way for the accomplishment of satan's devices.-Selected Messages 1:122 (1887 - LDE 156.2)."
So the lesson for today seems to be that the SDA church threw its own Jewish members under the bus when it became popular to do so. Instead of rallying around them with love, help, and protection. God help us not repeat this terrible atrocity!
I used to think Matthew 13:39 where it says the harvest is the end of the world and the reapers are the angels referred to the angels in heaven at the second coming separating people. One group for heaven, and one for the fire. However, because the wicked are destroyed by the brightness of his coming, it can’t be for that time as the fire takes place as the end of the 1000 years. I now realise that the reaper angels are people, the ministry. The first, second and third angels who preached from the time of the end starting with William Miller. The 2300 days ended in 1844. 1798 was the beginning of the end so the beginning of the harvest of the end of the world is 1844. It says weeks of the harvest but they are not literal weeks. Sr White says in TIM 234.2 that God sends forth His reapers. They are people through the ministry to gather the tares. It’s the preaching of the ministry that separates people. The judgement was preached from 1798 to 1844. It was the announcement that the harvest is ready. People either responded or rejected the first angels message. EW 118.1 says the third angel is to select the wheat from the tares. God uses fallen men to preach the gospel, not angels who have never fallen. The third angel is binding people in bundles. Sr White says in 2SM 113.3 back then that divisions will come in the church. The work will grow deeper and become more ernest… What does that mean? “Alot of Seventh-day Adventists today that have no idea what she's talking about. She's talking about since 1888, splintering and separation within the church will take place and then the work will go more and more deeply into splintering and separating of the wheat and the tears. That's what she is saying here. Basically, she says the wheat and the tears are now together growing together for the harvest. It will get more and more earnest.” The work of contending for the faith began in Sr White’s time. It’s not future. Every one will reveal the character of the bundle with which he is binding himself. 1888 995.2 Gods people are to pull apart: The wheat is being bound up for the heavenly garner. The true people of God are now bound up for the heavenly garner. The true people of God are now pulling apart, and the tares are being bound in bundles ready to burn. Decided positions will be taken. 1888 995.2 Jeremiah 8:20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended and we are not saved. Those people who are waiting for the harvest to take place when Jesus comes are going to discover ‘we've missed the boat. The harvest is past.’ Revelation 14: 15 …for the harvest of the earth is ripe (DRIED). 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. “Most people read that and say, see, that's the harvest time. No the harvest time has already taken place but there's been weeks of it prophetically speaking. Years of it and now the wheat is taken into the garner.”
It would be welll to remember that history tends to repeat itself. How the church treated the Hewish people is how they are now treating non trinitarians. Shameful!
You have been deceived. Our church has the testimony of Christ which is the spirit of prophecy. Our inspired messenger states there is a triune Godhead which is composed of 3 persons.
Ashamed having become an adventist. I would rather go back to evangelical church with a good leader. In spite of the spirit of prophecy, i think this whole sda business is thoroughly corrupt... Not talking about individual members, though, and some leaders that actuually have a heart of flesh. Like this pastor .
Please keep your eyes on Jesus and stay in the truth. Don't get distracted by the drama. Consider Walter Veith and his position towards the church despite its failures.
You did not come into an organization, you came into TRUTH. That is what matters. God is the God of truth, He is in control, he will purge and purify His church by whatever method He chooses.
Wow... soo soo thankful to God for the blessing of having this presentation and the prior one from Dr. Kietkamp available. We need to listen and ponder and make personal decisions with this information.
Now I understand the GC reaction in 2020, no surprise. Folding under pressure.
Thank you for speaking up! We must stand firm on Rock!!!!
May God help us in the future to do much better on standing up for conscience and not being silent.
The church had just gone over liberty of conscious recently!
Praise the lord for blessing us with DR Conrad Vines presence in this series he is one of Gods great followers and teachers in these trying times…was surprised to see him there after all the confusion. 🙏☝️☝️
Before I never thought about “Religious Liberty” until Censorship against brother Dr Conard Vine ignited/burst into flames. Listening the last 2 presentations about our church history, I said: Lord, thanks for Dr Vine and his team. Powerful message here, brethren. ❤
The irony is that the head of the SDA religious liberty department (Ganuone Diop) is justifying the cancelation of Conrad Vine.
Praise God. We need to wake up spiritually. We complain, whine, judge, criticize, compromise, get offended, depend on the church, GC etc etc but we must stop it and pick up our cross and follow Christ til the end!!! That includes me!!! Great message! Thank you, Village Church.
It is astonishing. Praise God for the outstanding servants of Him who know history and science as well as the Holy Bible. Stand up Village SDA Church more and more stand for the truth though the heavens fall. Praise the Lord.
Amen. God has outstanding servants. Praise Him!
This is a vitally important lesson. If we're not quick, or if we're unwilling, to stand firm in faith on small issues when the cost is low, then we will NIOT stand in faith on the large issues when the cost appears to be high. And we must remind one another of this, regularly and consistently.
Come out of Babylon, lest ye partake of her sins and share in her plagues! Revelation 18
This is extremely informative and interesting. We need to recognise that these speakers are not talking against our leadership but pointing out that leadership is not infallible. In fact it historical shows it will go with the flow and follow current thought and philosophy. We, as members, need to learn not to follow, but to stand firm on Present Truth regardless how our leaders, friends, families stand. We must always keep in mind God will have His remnant, and we must learn to stand strong. We must look to God, not to the church. Our crisis is before us!!
Thank you so much for this eye-opening message! He used to be our pastor in the eastern part of Austria. God bless him and all the speakers as well as all listening.
Thanks for sharing, glad to see Dr. Conrad Vine speaking. May God protect and bless His faithful children with His divine protection.
Thanks for sharing the truth about our church history in Germany. Very sad how things were handled at that time. Sadly, history will most likely repeat itself towards the close of earth's history. No compromise! Stand up for liberty og conscience through God's will and his word!
I am shocked 😳. I am an Austrian Seventh Day Adventist historian and I never heard anything about it!! I was baptized 1982, so 2005, I was around, going to church every Sabbath, never heard about it.
Thank you for the research, the presentation and for uploading.
It sheds a lot of light on my family s sad story of being under rassist attack by the church leaders in the 1980s !!
And I understand why the German SDA church, especially the north has given up all SDA principles.
The SDA church in South Africa did the same - compromise during the time of apartheid! They hid their head in the sand, while terrible suffering happened to most of the population of South Africa. The SDA church, instead of being the head, was the tail. We should have been ahead of the Anglican church who was the leading church who fought against apartheid.
@@richardkoker8749 Do you know of sources where I could read on South African response?
How sad! May we do better in the future!
@@eldridgelombard4796 the South African response to? Apartheid or what happened in Germany?
They are still doing the same to foreigners today, sadly...
@@eldridgelombard4796more important is to look for a lack of response
This is an eye opener to me .we ain't seen nothing yet.
Thank you very much for this video.
Dr Vine you have to be strong .and thank you.
Who can deny this.
Oh God our sins are many!!!many...
I stand with Dr Vine. This is proof our leaders have no understanding?
They sell themselves time and time again!
Yes, Conrad Vine is a man of God
God Bless Dr Vine!
This is horrible. We were sold out then as well as now! Dr. Vine, I stand with you!
Praise God for this message. Thank you for this. ❤ I love you you stood up for anyone who is being cancelled and convicted those who are compromising!
thanks für showing the truth that we may see and learn und forgive - with the hope that each of us may see and learn from this tragical history and not be silent
Painfully honest and very needed. Thank you!
When I see Pr Conrad Vine, I say, Lord thanks for the Truth - thou Word. Man who stands even if every one bows down.
I wish my dad was alive to hear this sermon. My dad grew up in Holland during the war. There family hid the pastor of there village because he worked for the resistance.
One of the last conversations I had with my dad was….”what would you do if you knew, you were to be caught, you would all be killed?”
Thank you for your sermon. Makes me stronger in my conviction.
Excellent presentation and historical factual review ⚠️ May Holy Spirit power help us currently Only to repeat what's righteous and heavenly from history and avoid these historical compromising evil decisions🙏⚠️
Thank you for this tremendous and knowledgeable presentation. History seems to repeat itself "Cause and Effect" in reality. May God help us.
Possibly the leadership made those compromises , I am a Jew, and I knew Jews who were hidden in the Adventist houses including in pastor houses so the results were conversion of those Jews to Adventist Faith, is very sad to listen to a lot of critical information about the SDA leaders, if there's something that not help to our faith is better to close the lips Jesus still loves Jews and His Church so we must take up His flag of love and talk about it because Satan is moving all hints to take out our faith and go against the leaders of the Church, I trust in God only He knows who we are and His judgement is in His Hand only, we must admire His patience and Love He is seeking to save every people nevermind who is it, we must learn His amazing tolerance that He has knowing our mistakes and sins He is waiting for us, please try to talk about Him because He is perfect and look at Him we learn how to be, blessed be all the humble people because they will see the face of God.
Amen..
AMEN to everything you have said!!!
Thank you, Pastor Erbes as usual you have done your homework
Amazing presentation! I am very grateful for this faithful pastor.
I read some of the articles that discuss the silence of SDA church during Nazi era, however I never heard a sermon or lecture in the church that so well explained the problem. Why? If the Church cannot admit what it did wrong in the past, how can it hope that the same mistake won't be repeated again.
Thank you for this information. 😢
😢 sad history in the church but God is merciful 🙏 may we learn to stand for truth tho the heavens fall 🙏
History has been repeated, in a lesser sense, but the church saved itself for the common good!
What a betrayal! Well, Pastor Veith said that our brother Esau will come for us and this proves his position!
What happened in Germany is very similar to what happened during the p a n d e m ic, there are many similarities, for example, if you were not vaccinated (jew), you were not allowed to enter the church. The same pattern in our leadership in the past and I believe will be in the future. Thank you for this so vital information.
GOOD TO SEE PASTOR CONRAD VINE !!! PITY PASTOR KELLY HASNT KEPT THE FAITH & STUCK UP FOR HIM BUT THE OPPOSITE !!!😔😔😔😭😭😭💔🙏🪔🕯
I Listen and weep as I hear the heart wrenching story of this family.
I praise God that I choose to lose my job than to go against my concience. I have incurred a lot of debt BUT, I rather to have my health than to be in a situation similar to this family.
The truth is that many people suffered the same result or worse and has been testifying of what happened to them. It doesn't matter what brand of the shot they got. There are credible witnesses on every side.
My mother took Pfizer, and I am here contending with the same issue.She had 3 strokes within a 5 month period in addition ,there is brain bleeding and cognitive issues which is now showing itself as dementia.
There are no medical answers, you are referred to a bunch of specialists who they themselves dosen't know what is happening. The test results are always negative.... there's no answers or reasonable explanation.....the only explanation is the poison, which was manufactured by Satan and his disciples.
May God help us to stay clear of Babylon and her gifts that she is offering to the whole world.
I wonder if those magazines had to be vetted by Nazis before they were published. With the type of hostile society then, someone was possibly forced to write or publish those magazines in an effort not to unravel the progress of the regime. That does not sound like the church and we should be careful but if this was the disappointing response to those laws then we should be vigilant that we stand firm and brave when the test of our time is come.
I would say that is what the Pastor was referring to when he said the church paid a high price because they had to then reflect the message of the regime.
SDA lost their core beliefs in the Martin/Barnhouse meetings of 1955-56. Only ML Andreasen protested as much as he could see.
Why can’t you see that World War One and two was a shaking in the Adventist church where the faithful stayed on the platform of truth and the tares stayed in the fallen organisation.
The shaking began back there
12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me thad did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:
13 Bat it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance. Psalm 55, 12. 13.
Very sobering.
When sacrifice of life, being faithful unto death is presented, many will find out they were just social church attendees never having faced the Spirit of Truth 🙏🕊🍇
That was quite a carol into our ears.
And the SDA conference sold us up the river during- C-19
Conrad Vine is an incredible man to walk into that snake pit and have to endure the knives in the back. What a noble man.......certainly can't say the same about Ron Kelly. He should resign!
How dare you say that about Pastor Ron Kelly... Take your disgusting comment away if you have any sense in your head.
It's interesting that at the end of these talks Conrad Vine's comments are cut short, we are not allowed to hear his commentary on the presentation... so sad.
If those occupying positions of responsibility were as fully resolved to obey God’s law as they are to make laws for governing those in their service, our institutions would be managed along right lines. Those who occupy positions of trust are to make it their highest aim to know God, as revealed in His Word; for to know Him aright is life eternal.
Josiah proposed that those highest in authority unite in solemnly covenanting before the Lord to cooperate with one another in bringing about a reformation. “The king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the Lord, to walk after the Lord, and to keep His. GCB April 1, 1903, page 30.9-GCB April 1, 1903, page 30.10
I'd like to hear the official position of the members of Village SDA Church now, not of their pastor. The same ones who attended the above presentation and then commented in shock on the facts presented. I'd like to hear it, because from Nazi Common Good to COVID-19 Common Good we have unfortunately witnessed, though in a more subtle way, the same attack on our liberty of conscience, Christian principles, and SDA truths. It's paramount to learn from our past, embrace it, and stand up or else we are condemned to repeat the same sins. Silence is the worst answer; in fact it follows the same lukewarm attitude and path described in the Laodicean Church age. We must work for unity within the Church, but also compromise and sin must be denounced and exposed. A change of position in the GC has to take place sooner rather than later (maybe 60 years from now). Christ is coming soon, and the next correction of the Church (see Matthew 18 and 25/the sheep and the goats) is going to be The Judgment. Since Abel's assassination, the "You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish." has justified the propaganda machine of satan's regime up to now. We cannot claim to be part of the true remnant and hide ourselves behind the bush. GOD knows our spiritual position before asking, as He did with Adam. In Jeremiah 44, the supposed remnant, after the destruction of both Nation and Jerusalem, was still stubbornly proclaiming: "... for the word you have spoken to us in the name of the LORD, we will not listen to you! Instead, we will do everything we vowed to do: We will burn incense to the queen of heaven and offer drink offerings to her, just as we, our fathers, our kings, and our officials did in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. ...(and) The women added, “When we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes impressed with her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”." It is a matter of free choice, but whatever we are going to sow now, we will harvest later on. We have been warned. Regarding the 144,000 we read: "...and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are blameless. ...Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: ...; and their works do follow them." Responsibility is the price of freedom, and it's personal. No denomination or organization can change and avoid that. In fact, leaders are judged before and more severely than the others (investigative judgment). Revelation 2:16 reads; ""Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth." That means that our leaders are accountable for those under their spiritual care. No surprises if they are removed and punished meanwhile leading others astray, and teaching them to compromise. The same strange fire they kindle will be the true witness against them, as it was for Aaron's sons. I hope our leaders can repent sooner rather than later, and change their mind, intellect, will, way of thinking, opinions, views, and worldly accommodations. Ellen G. White proclaimed the following: "We have far more to fear from within than from without. The hindrances to strength and success are far greater from the Church itself than from the world. Unbelievers have a right to expect that those who profess to be keeping the commandments of GOD and the faith of Jesus, will do more than any other class to promote and honor, by their consistent lives, by their godly example and their active influence, the cause which they represent. But how often have the professed advocates of the truth proved the greatest obstacle to its advancement! The unbelief indulged, the doubts expressed, the darkness cherished, encourage the presence of evil angels, and open the way for the accomplishment of satan's devices.-Selected Messages 1:122 (1887 - LDE 156.2)."
That is the SDA i was born into. What assembly am i a part of now?
So the lesson for today seems to be that the SDA church threw its own Jewish members under the bus when it became popular to do so. Instead of rallying around them with love, help, and protection. God help us not repeat this terrible atrocity!
I used to think Matthew 13:39 where it says the harvest is the end of the world and the reapers are the angels referred to the angels in heaven at the second coming separating people. One group for heaven, and one for the fire. However, because the wicked are destroyed by the brightness of his coming, it can’t be for that time as the fire takes place as the end of the 1000 years.
I now realise that the reaper angels are people, the ministry. The first, second and third angels who preached from the time of the end starting with William Miller.
The 2300 days ended in 1844. 1798 was the beginning of the end so the beginning of the harvest of the end of the world is 1844.
It says weeks of the harvest but they are not literal weeks.
Sr White says in TIM 234.2 that God sends forth His reapers.
They are people through the ministry to gather the tares. It’s the preaching of the ministry that separates people. The judgement was preached from 1798 to 1844. It was the announcement that the harvest is ready. People either responded or rejected the first angels message.
EW 118.1 says the third angel is to select the wheat from the tares. God uses fallen men to preach the gospel, not angels who have never fallen.
The third angel is binding people in bundles. Sr White says in 2SM 113.3 back then that divisions will come in the church. The work will grow deeper and become more ernest…
What does that mean?
“Alot of Seventh-day Adventists today that have no idea what she's talking about. She's talking about since 1888, splintering and separation within the church will take place and then the work will go more and more deeply into splintering and separating of the wheat and the tears. That's what she is saying here. Basically, she says the wheat and the tears are now together growing together for the harvest. It will get more and more earnest.”
The work of contending for the faith began in Sr White’s time. It’s not future.
Every one will reveal the character of the bundle with which he is binding himself. 1888 995.2
Gods people are to pull apart:
The wheat is being bound up for the heavenly garner. The true people of God are now bound up for the heavenly garner. The true people of God are now pulling apart, and the tares are being bound in bundles ready to burn. Decided positions will be taken. 1888 995.2
Jeremiah 8:20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended and we are not saved.
Those people who are waiting for the harvest to take place when Jesus comes are going to discover ‘we've missed the boat. The harvest is past.’
Revelation 14: 15 …for the harvest of the earth is ripe (DRIED). 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
“Most people read that and say, see, that's the harvest time. No the harvest time has already taken place but there's been weeks of it prophetically speaking. Years of it and now the wheat is taken into the garner.”
So sad.
Deception Christ warned against. Don’t be fooled
It would be welll to remember that history tends to repeat itself. How the church treated the Hewish people is how they are now treating non trinitarians. Shameful!
You have been deceived. Our church has the testimony of Christ which is the spirit of prophecy. Our inspired messenger states there is a triune Godhead which is composed of 3 persons.
Ashamed having become an adventist. I would rather go back to evangelical church with a good leader. In spite of the spirit of prophecy, i think this whole sda business is thoroughly corrupt... Not talking about individual members, though, and some leaders that actuually have a heart of flesh. Like this pastor .
The adventist movement is one thing and the adventist leadership/organization is another. Don't be confused.
And do you think the evangelical churches in nazi Germany did better??? The also compromised.
Please keep your eyes on Jesus and stay in the truth. Don't get distracted by the drama. Consider Walter Veith and his position towards the church despite its failures.
You did not come into an organization, you came into TRUTH. That is what matters. God is the God of truth, He is in control, he will purge and purify His church by whatever method He chooses.