@@Nyrufa Yeah, those were a given for Barbarian, but still, mindflayers look lanky as fuck compared to the Fabio haired Hellboy that my Barbarian Tiefling was before.
turning yourself into a necromancer mindflayer is one of the most op things in the game you can cast max level spells all day long due to necromancer passives granting you free casts for every creature you kill
Am I the only one, who wishes for post-game content? Not necessarily expansion, but maybe NG+? Playing the game as mind flayer, or being accompanied by Karlach as illithid gives a whole another life to Disguise Self spell, as well as it gives a grip on huge power. I mean, I hate when you are given the best toys in the end of the game, when you cant have a good taste of them (ha-ha, 'Anathema', very funny, Larian) Although, I do realize, that NG+ would be probably stupid, since it would either be lvl 12 heroes beating up lvl 1 Intellect devourers, or the entirety of the game being lvl 12 characters and creatures, with rookie goblins being exactly as powerful as toughest enemies of act 3. On another hand, DLCs, if I get it correctly, are against company policy, so it's also probably not gonna happen. A pity.
@@anobstinatecephalopod4605 I am assuming they are more against releasing a game that has basically no content and wish to have a fully playable and full experience at launch. I wouldn't put it past them doing DLC for this game dragon age origins style (like awakening). But stuff like races?, they are more likely to add into the game as a base game update if at all (just my guess).
@@anobstinatecephalopod4605 It's a problem with games designed with very specific progression and endings, where there is no "game" when you beat the game, other than starting over. This isn't Skyrim where you can keep playing after beating the main storyline. Skyrim just keeps going if you want it to, letting you get more out of your highly developed player character. Locations respawn NPCs. in BG games, it's persistent, so you clear out some place and it stays cleared. It makes sense story wise as you make your way through a game, but not for replayability for your same character. All these different BG3 build videos? They're not that good until you get to endgame. By the time you get your characters where you want them to be, the game's over and you can't enjoy them as much as you want. I guess you could use some mod somewhere to cheat and get you what you want early on eventually, but the game I don't think is balanced around that. Anyways, it's a similar problem even BG1 & 2 had many years ago. You get your party to these fancy levels of power and the game is over already. I still remember way back in BG1's days, people making mods to add more levels to the game. But it didn't matter because the game was over anyways by the time you got to your max.
@@BlazingDarkness its called staff of cherished necromancy which has. Life essence harvest. It gives you one free spell use, no matter the level, per nemey you killed
I was trying to become a mind flayer the entire game, not expecting it to actually be a thing. Shoved every single one right into my eyeholes and even slept with the emperor. I was so happy when i was actually able to fully become one.
@@keklord6074 IIRC there's a glitch to keep playing as a mind flayer after you get the early transformation ending, but it prevents you from leveling up so you should make sure to hit lvl 12 before doing it
I do wish they actually gave mind flayer tav unique models based on class at least. It’s kind of unfortunate how you can’t change his armours and helmets after you become an illithid
@@pmj0128 Well mind flayers are all about using psychic powers, there's a reason you don't see any of them wield weapons. They make up for physical force with mental force
@@Stoss_ Not exactly. It's the final act, so you can expect a bit of "you've got one goal left" type vibes. It does feel a bit empty towards the latter half of act 3
@@ghiaccioreviews3369not true. You will see through your encounters humans turning into mindflayers and they are just as big and cool looking as the emperor. For some odd reason our character looks weak and small it doesn’t make sense.
@@Chaseneiz I assume it is because we are ''new generation'' mind flayer. We absorbed Orpheus's power and even before that, our relationship with parasite was unique thanks to the prism. In time we will probably look like Emperor.
illithid dont grow and change as they get older, they are what they are from the point of transformation. you could argue its a new type born from the special tadpoles, but it doesnt make much sense following illithid lore. they dont like change or unexpected outcomes. conformity is the name of the game. when a new illithid is born that isnt like the others it is often killed or banished (like gnome illithids) @@keklord6074
My MC was trying to get rid of the brain parasite from the start, i even betrayed the emperor and sided with orpheus but ultimately MC knew the ultimate sacrifice had to be made, MC then killed himself at the end.
I decided to risk it out there. Tab is very powerful and the transformation can be reversed with a wish spell. And I got 4 great friend who can help keep me on a leash to find it
@@dylanschenkelberg7399 Acording to the lore, turning into a mind flayer destroy your soul, so its not your character anymore, it is just the tadpole with your character memories.
Trade offer I get: A loyal servant, and a friend. You get: A hideous form, threats to be turned into sushi, an abomination of all that his holy, badass armor.
It would be much more tolerable if you could get a conical squid-like head instead of a round "babyface" and fully grown big tentacles. And don't give me that "ooh you're just a young mindflayer, they'll grow out". No they won't, both newborn mindflayers on Nautiloid and under the windmill transform into fully grown big tentacle form. Only you and Orpheus turn into tiny-tentacled shorties
Hmm i guess you only get this option if you also kill the steel guys and side fully with The emeperor. I decided to ally them and yet they diden't f do anything to help me in the final fight which really sucks
I game ended myself at the end, Felt the right thing, And never looked back on it now play the game again to see if those two options are the only two options becoming mindflayer or make some one else a mindflayer.
I remember I picked this option just for pure and sheer curiosity. I wanted to set Orpheus free and make his people happy. It turned up to be a disappointing decision. Orpheus acted like a prick accusing my party and whole Faerun population, didn't tell anything new or thrilling. So, The Prince of the Comet took a hard decision to become a mind flayer, I recalled my ridiculous desire to bring the true leader to githyanki, so I offered myself as a sacrifice My poor kind girl transformed. She was the most beautiful flower of the whole gang, but then turned into a funny bootleg illithid. It was such pain. My pretty singing sorceress Banjovi never deserved such fate, so my next playthrough had no compromise or friendship attempts with gith people. Assholes are full of crap. They never kept their words.
it was so sad seeing my tav who had worked so hard and had saved everyone get forgotten and never remembered for all of his accomplishments and had to go into hiding so as not to be a threat. salt in the wound was Shadowheart having to leave, and then also having to pass a constitution check to not eat Gale
Oh acording to the Comments wether you become half or full depends on how much you use your lillith powers but i became half despite using the lillith powers to get crits quite alot. But perhaps it resets when you die cause i also died alot
Eyo what the fk Through dialogue and at first not wanting to embrace it but being forced by a bad roll, it made me a half Illithide. I retained my normal mortal form, albeit for receiving many of the mind flayers bonus. My paladin could fly 18m each turn, turn into that deceiver cat thingy, all while completely nothing was lost from my normal character. Seeing this spooked me a bit ngl Idk, but I really am not fond of my character turning completely. Also retain my mental state, don't feel hunger, am still an potentially emotional character and so on, with no kind of hunger plaguing me.
@@maddoxio Don't know, maybe they changed it? For me, the Emperor was very persisting, not accepting my prior No, then I had to roll. But hey, it played out okay anyways.
This might be the only way I see late game cinematics, cause I can't play this game to save my tadpole. I'm not giving up, but damn, its my first CRPG, and it's as tough as nails. 😢
My advice you to make your play through a hell of a lot easier set one character up as the throwing God, I love using Karlac, for that And another doing dual hand crossbows the game will become Easy Mode for you after that. And always keep at least 2 summons out if able it will really make the more overwhelming fights easier. And just like Friday the more turns your side gets the better your chances of winning
BRO IT'S SO HARD AAAH. I had to reload my attempts to kill Dror Ragzlin like 7 times and kept failing. I just ditched the attempt, did some exploring and came back as a level 4 and finally nailed it. I'm constantly reloading junk on a balanced playthrough and it's tough!
Thank you Lil Meep for posting this and your answers in the comments. it sucks you don't get to do much with being a mind flayer but I appreciate the information before buying. Fingers crossed there's more in the future.
Consider how nightmarishly powerful a Mind Flayer with twelve class levels actually would be. The base Challenge Rating for a Mind Flayer is 7, meaning that they'd be a challenge for a level 7 party of four characters. That's a mind flayer's baseline, what they're capable of at level zero. Add twelve levels of skills, abilities, stats boosts, feats, and spells, then add level appropriate equipment, and you have something that would easily be on par with a level 20 character.
@@onesometoomuch Inaccurate. Under 5E, Alhoons are considered a CR 10 and can cast up to level 6. However, as powerful as that is, that's still the baseline for an Alhoon. That's an Alhoon that never put in any effort to become stronger and instead just coasts by on its natural abilities. I feel like that is something that most people don't really get when it comes to how monster stats work in D&D. See, the stats for monsters given are literally for slacker monsters that never make any effort to get stronger, just getting by on the natural abilities they possess. An ogre's baseline strength is 19, meaning that without ever putting in any effort, the most out of shape ogre is still a minimum of 19 strength. Any sapient monster can gain class levels, but there's always a experience adjustment attached to that, making it harder to level up because the natural talents that monsters possess hinder their ability to grow stronger through effort and experience. Like the ogre example above, that 19 strength means that most enemies go down effortlessly, so it would have to find and fight strong foes to gain the experience needed to get stronger. However, most evil creatures are cowardly by nature, and will not risk their lives fighting strong opponents even if it meant getting stronger, preferring instead to use their superior abilities to bully the weak. Be grateful for that: A level 20 Ogre barbarian would be unimaginably strong, and a level 20 alhoon wizard would be practically a god. Heaven help anyone forced to fight an ancient green dragon that is also a level 20 cleric of Tiamat, because at that point I'm not sure who would be worshipping who.
Man, that description makes me sad we couldn’t play as one earlier in the game. The entire game I wanted to play as a mind flayer, and it sucks that not only is it a permanent and non-wild-shape-like ability, it only counts for the epilogue. And yeah, I know mind flayer a shouldn’t be able to go from human, to mind flayer, and vice versa at will, but that was my dream.
Man, that description makes me sad we couldn’t play as one earlier in the game. The entire game I wanted to play as a mind flayer, and it sucks that not only is it a permanent and non-wild-shape-like ability, it only counts for the epilogue. And yeah, I know mind flayer a shouldn’t be able to go from human, to mind flayer, and vice versa at will, but that was my dream.
Man, that description makes me sad we couldn’t play as one earlier in the game. The entire game I wanted to play as a mind flayer, and it sucks that not only is it a permanent and non-wild-shape-like ability, it only counts for the epilogue. And yeah, I know mind flayer a shouldn’t be able to go from human, to mind flayer, and vice versa at will, but that was my dream.
People still debate if ceremorphosis is the death of the host. Tav: Still playable after turning into mindflayer Me: Then the soul is still intact. If not, we won't be able to control our player... Headcanons
I think we, as players, are the embodiment of the tadpole. Just because mini-squidward doesn't get his happy ending of ceremorphosis all the time, doesn't mean our echo and drive don't linger. Like a splinter in Tav's minds eye. Slowly driving them insane.
It depends. If a God has a strangle on your soul, a puny tadpole is not going to destroy it. For example, even if you are a Mind Flayer, Bhall still has control over you, meaning your soul is still existing. Probably the same with Mystra.
I refuse to change and became like a half mind flayer. The emperor forced me to change and it was so fucked up xD like "dude...i said no" He gave me the larva and I just threw it away. The only bad thing, I forgot to try and burn it, so maybe a kid got it on my back.
He doesn't force you tav just doesn't want to do it. If you used any tadpoles it counts as embracing so denying partial ceremorphosis becomes a skill check. The more you use the higher the skill check gets.
@@calvintyler9281 He kinda did. I didn't ant to change, I used the tadpoles before but the partial ceremorphosis was still something I said no in the dialogues. And I won the skill checks too. So I do count that as "No, I don't want that" and him saying "yeah, you'll get use to it."
How come I didn't become one like that, but only a "half ilithid"... Whos eonly difference from the previous form is a few black veins? Unless... Is it still going to happen?
I have recently become half mind flayer, when you get to this point is there still a lot of game left to enjoy? Because i don't see the point of doing it if the game is already over, i would appreciate it if you could answer it without spoilers.
@@owenbruh9811 its near the end of the game so you can but not for long (update pc players can use a mod from nexus mods, Ring of Ceremorphosis - become a Mind Flayer mod)
Half transformation is only at the start of act 3 and makes no difference for the story. It's just for gameplay purposes (trust me, those powers are SUPER important for some of the boss fights, especially Black Hole and Mind Sanctuary). Full illithid is near the end and is an optional thing which affects the ending you get (there are several endings)
As a new player to bg3, I was hoping that evolving meant we'd get this mind flayer form and could use it at will, like a wild shape form. Not to mention, I was expecting we'd be able to use this mind flayer form much earlier on in the game and customize it. I am a little disappointed that none of those were the case, and all i can hope for is the right mod to appear at the right time, or somehow larian releases some post-game expansions.
Lae'zel breaks up with you (not a surprise there, you became the thing she hates the most), Karlach goes to hell anyway, Shadowheart has a cutscene where she tells you that even if you became an illithid you two are gonna make it work. So to put it simply, of all the companions, only shadowheart says she's good with that! As for Astarion, Wyll, Gayle and Halsin, I truly don't know.
@@colinlege9998 Wow I didn't expect Shadowheart to come through like that! Halsin basically ditches you in the 'good' ending so I assume it wouldn't be much different if you were a mindflayer
@@colinlege9998 They're right to abandon you. Mind Flayers have no souls, and can't truly feel emotions. Your personality remains because you're still young and adjusting to your new existence. But over time, you would become gradually more sociopathic, until you turn on your former lovers because they were becoming a liability.
@@Nyrufaor somehow make it work. It's how a character is made that defines the meaning of it. Probably or you go to some goblin hoard and consider it a Vegas buffet. No goblins attacking the countryside
@@articusramos808 Without emotions, you have no empathy, and thus would inevitably become a sociopath. As a mind flayer, you would only tolerate your 'partner' for as long as it continued to benefit you. But once they became a hinderance or a liability, you would abandon them immediately. The only info I could find on a mind flayer's feeding schedule states they have to eat at least 1 brain from an intelligent creature every month to remain healthy, but they can go up to 3 months without brains before starving to death. With an average age of 120 years, that's 1,440 victims they need to devour to sustain themselves, per mind flayer.
@@LilMeep_xI'm curious about the armor you get in the Emperor's old hideout, they are clearly made for an Illithid when you look at their appearance (and the Emperor made them when he was already an Illithid so it should be logial for our pc to be able to wear them)...perhaps you can put them on? Have you tried it? Does it change anything?
every illithid power you have is buffed (mind blast is once per turn instead of once per long rest for example, literally broken you can stunlock enemies with that), you get tentacle slash attack and a brain eating attack, but other than that i didnt actually check
Orpheus' psionic magic is the only thing protecting you and the emperor from the influence of the absolute. Since he's a Githyanki Prince he has innate psionic powers (not too dissimilar from a mindflayer, mind you). By eating his brain you gain his psionic resistance to the absolute and as a mindflayer you can use the netherstones.
@@mishra266The game is really bugged right now, the number of larva you consume doesn't affect anything in game sadly. The larva the emperor gives you turns you into an Half-Illithid, no matter how many tadpoles you have.
So I gotta question, is this like you actually become a mind flayer? Or is it like a you’ve become a bad guy that’s it game over thanks for playing scenario
Lmao, the narrator. I wanted to play the game, but even though I had more than recommended specs the game lagged as f*** constantly so I got it refunded on Steam. Now I see this and the narrator is just hah.
I dont understand why all western rpgs with big power dont give it to you at least at the middle so you can enjoy it through the game, like in pathfinder for example. Its always at the end and you always cant do anything with it after. And by all i mean all, its like a pattern, for some reason westerners dont want to give big power to player or dont know how to include it in to story and we end up in a situations like this there you became all powerful midnflayer but cant do shit with it because story is already ended.
... Man this really is making me glad I didn't touch BG3 You don't "become a mind flayer", you're consimed by the mind flayers and used as a host for their spawn.
I mean hell, in this case, you already have a tadpole on your head that’s being screwed with, and are now shoving a new tadpole that is even more screwed with. This isn’t exactly a normal ceremorph.
a pity that becoming a mindflayer does infact destroy your soul, that moment that happend he become nothing more than a bag of flesh, no soul or higher will in it, Tragic really.
Mindflayers can be resurrected, moreover how can anybody look at the two mindflayers free from elder brain control and say they have no soul. If they have no soul then a soul is pointless.
@@tahjsimon9058 free from the hivemind does not equal soul, a bag of flesh with nothing within/behind it is still soulless, and if you claim a soul is pointless then i fear you have not understood what a soul is. anything without a soul as no afterlife and thus cannot be truely brought back. sure you can revive a organ, aka a mindflayer, but theres no greater will behind it, a husk driven my hormones and chemicals, nothing more. there in lies the horror of a mindflayer, it is a true monster, a organ, a brain, nothing more. they where designed to be one of DnD's ultimate monsters and as far as i know that still stands, i can be wrong ofc but i doubt larian was allowed to retcon that bit of DnD History. Just because it moves and talks does not mean it has a soul, a psychopath moves and mimmics, it can talk, but it lacks something fundamental, i dont think you would consider that ''just another person'' Right? in the end its a philosofical question and its rooted in the concept of spirit and afterlife, rebirth ect. Hope that helps.
@@tahjsimon9058 At the very end of the game our skeletal friend will be mocking Dead Three and will mention that when their followers turn into illithids they wont have soul or gods wont have their soul or something like that I dont excactly remember... Was something about souls and gods... But I have feeling that "soul" in that case is not what prevents person from beeing a "bag of flesh" or have anything to do with will. Both Emperor and Omeluum definitely have more free will then many other npcs
How bout you dont put spoilers in titles and thumbnails of your videos for those that have yet to have the pleasure of playing it? Ive finished it but this would suck for someone that hasn’t
Me, barbarian becoming a mindflayer: "NO, MY GAINS."
this was me when i had to do it but thankfully i had an elixir of cloud giant on me, then i basically just became a super intelligent squid barbarian
Traded gains for brains...
Fortunately, Raphael's archives have a set of gauntlets and amulet which give you even more gains!
@@Nyrufa Yeah, those were a given for Barbarian, but still, mindflayers look lanky as fuck compared to the Fabio haired Hellboy that my Barbarian Tiefling was before.
Just equip the 23 Str gloves, GAINS AND THEN SOME
turning yourself into a necromancer mindflayer is one of the most op things in the game you can cast max level spells all day long due to necromancer passives granting you free casts for every creature you kill
Am I the only one, who wishes for post-game content? Not necessarily expansion, but maybe NG+? Playing the game as mind flayer, or being accompanied by Karlach as illithid gives a whole another life to Disguise Self spell, as well as it gives a grip on huge power. I mean, I hate when you are given the best toys in the end of the game, when you cant have a good taste of them (ha-ha, 'Anathema', very funny, Larian)
Although, I do realize, that NG+ would be probably stupid, since it would either be lvl 12 heroes beating up lvl 1 Intellect devourers, or the entirety of the game being lvl 12 characters and creatures, with rookie goblins being exactly as powerful as toughest enemies of act 3. On another hand, DLCs, if I get it correctly, are against company policy, so it's also probably not gonna happen. A pity.
@@anobstinatecephalopod4605 I am assuming they are more against releasing a game that has basically no content and wish to have a fully playable and full experience at launch. I wouldn't put it past them doing DLC for this game dragon age origins style (like awakening). But stuff like races?, they are more likely to add into the game as a base game update if at all (just my guess).
@@anobstinatecephalopod4605 It's a problem with games designed with very specific progression and endings, where there is no "game" when you beat the game, other than starting over. This isn't Skyrim where you can keep playing after beating the main storyline. Skyrim just keeps going if you want it to, letting you get more out of your highly developed player character. Locations respawn NPCs. in BG games, it's persistent, so you clear out some place and it stays cleared. It makes sense story wise as you make your way through a game, but not for replayability for your same character.
All these different BG3 build videos? They're not that good until you get to endgame. By the time you get your characters where you want them to be, the game's over and you can't enjoy them as much as you want.
I guess you could use some mod somewhere to cheat and get you what you want early on eventually, but the game I don't think is balanced around that.
Anyways, it's a similar problem even BG1 & 2 had many years ago. You get your party to these fancy levels of power and the game is over already. I still remember way back in BG1's days, people making mods to add more levels to the game. But it didn't matter because the game was over anyways by the time you got to your max.
wait what necromancer ability gives you free casts of high level spells?
@@BlazingDarkness its called staff of cherished necromancy which has. Life essence harvest. It gives you one free spell use, no matter the level, per nemey you killed
something about the option "ill do it later" fucking cracked me up way too much
Slightly disappointed that Larian didn't implement a Gnome-sized ceremorph model.
I was trying to become a mind flayer the entire game, not expecting it to actually be a thing. Shoved every single one right into my eyeholes and even slept with the emperor. I was so happy when i was actually able to fully become one.
I wish we could enjoy being a mind flayer longer instead of just using our new powers for ending....
@@keklord6074ua-cam.com/video/bSypgtN0Fqs/v-deo.htmlsi=RnOBF25phBJxjcFI for your next game
@@keklord6074 the most powerful powers, mindblast and blackhole, you can use the whole 3rd act
*Lae'zel Disapproves*
@@keklord6074 IIRC there's a glitch to keep playing as a mind flayer after you get the early transformation ending, but it prevents you from leveling up so you should make sure to hit lvl 12 before doing it
“I’m sure in time you will learn how to do it… gracefully”
He always has to get one zinger in 😂
I do wish they actually gave mind flayer tav unique models based on class at least. It’s kind of unfortunate how you can’t change his armours and helmets after you become an illithid
Act 3 doesn't have the same care given to it so it lines up. Maybe we'll get a definitive edition with all our valid criticisms addressed
@@nicholasmiranda6013 Agreed, but I can appreciate the option. I'd personally like to become a swole flayer.
@@pmj0128
Well mind flayers are all about using psychic powers, there's a reason you don't see any of them wield weapons. They make up for physical force with mental force
@@nicholasmiranda6013 oh is it like "railroaded"?
@@Stoss_ Not exactly. It's the final act, so you can expect a bit of "you've got one goal left" type vibes. It does feel a bit empty towards the latter half of act 3
Why does our mindflayer look so… weird? Why don’t we get glowing orange eyes or a decent build, ESPECIALLY if we were Barbarians😂😂
Fr dude we look hella weak 😂
I'm assuming it's due to the fact that you're a freshly turned Mind Flayer
@@ghiaccioreviews3369not true. You will see through your encounters humans turning into mindflayers and they are just as big and cool looking as the emperor. For some odd reason our character looks weak and small it doesn’t make sense.
@@Chaseneiz I assume it is because we are ''new generation'' mind flayer. We absorbed Orpheus's power and even before that, our relationship with parasite was unique thanks to the prism.
In time we will probably look like Emperor.
illithid dont grow and change as they get older, they are what they are from the point of transformation. you could argue its a new type born from the special tadpoles, but it doesnt make much sense following illithid lore. they dont like change or unexpected outcomes. conformity is the name of the game. when a new illithid is born that isnt like the others it is often killed or banished (like gnome illithids) @@keklord6074
My MC was trying to get rid of the brain parasite from the start, i even betrayed the emperor and sided with orpheus but ultimately MC knew the ultimate sacrifice had to be made, MC then killed himself at the end.
hey hey hey no way my guy whos been avoiding eating those worms gonna have to kill himself must be a way free man no wayyy
Yep sacrificial mc's are a staple.
@@theepicduck6922 actually not as much lately, they always get good ending where they survive.
Glad this one gave a choice to end it entirely.
I decided to risk it out there. Tab is very powerful and the transformation can be reversed with a wish spell. And I got 4 great friend who can help keep me on a leash to find it
@@dylanschenkelberg7399 Acording to the lore, turning into a mind flayer destroy your soul, so its not your character anymore, it is just the tadpole with your character memories.
and here im building a breath-taking guardian with blonde hair and pale skin only for her to become squidward hah
Literally me :D I feel so wrong
Trade offer
I get:
A loyal servant, and a friend.
You get:
A hideous form, threats to be turned into sushi, an abomination of all that his holy, badass armor.
Weird that nobody disapproved
i wanna be a mini Cthulu too 😂🎉
Lol
It would be much more tolerable if you could get a conical squid-like head instead of a round "babyface" and fully grown big tentacles.
And don't give me that "ooh you're just a young mindflayer, they'll grow out". No they won't, both newborn mindflayers on Nautiloid and under the windmill transform into fully grown big tentacle form. Only you and Orpheus turn into tiny-tentacled shorties
Probably because the incubation process on those ships advance the progression.
Hmm i guess you only get this option if you also kill the steel guys and side fully with The emeperor. I decided to ally them and yet they diden't f do anything to help me in the final fight which really sucks
Steel guys? All you have to do is eat the tadpoles you get including the "juiced" up ones.
I game ended myself at the end, Felt the right thing, And never looked back on it now play the game again to see if those two options are the only two options becoming mindflayer or make some one else a mindflayer.
Or just leave it to your sort-of-friendly neighborhood Mind Flayer Emperor.
A mind flayer bard would be weird or hilarious
Mind flayer bard: I roll to seduce the kraken
That's a great idea for my next playthrough 😂
Deal. I want to be an eldritch mass with maniac tendencies.
Thank you i have been looking for this since launch! Think you could show some gameplay of it?
Yes I can
I remember I picked this option just for pure and sheer curiosity. I wanted to set Orpheus free and make his people happy. It turned up to be a disappointing decision. Orpheus acted like a prick accusing my party and whole Faerun population, didn't tell anything new or thrilling.
So, The Prince of the Comet took a hard decision to become a mind flayer, I recalled my ridiculous desire to bring the true leader to githyanki, so I offered myself as a sacrifice
My poor kind girl transformed. She was the most beautiful flower of the whole gang, but then turned into a funny bootleg illithid. It was such pain. My pretty singing sorceress Banjovi never deserved such fate, so my next playthrough had no compromise or friendship attempts with gith people. Assholes are full of crap. They never kept their words.
it was so sad seeing my tav who had worked so hard and had saved everyone get forgotten and never remembered for all of his accomplishments and had to go into hiding so as not to be a threat.
salt in the wound was Shadowheart having to leave, and then also having to pass a constitution check to not eat Gale
It’s wild how in your face spoilers are now. You can’t even try to avoid them anymore lol!
General Tullius becoming a mind flayer
Mind flyers keep their word better then githyanki lol
Being a race of psychic mind readers, lying isn’t something they really do, they’ll still be sneaky and tricky but not liars
Oh acording to the Comments wether you become half or full depends on how much you use your lillith powers but i became half despite using the lillith powers to get crits quite alot. But perhaps it resets when you die cause i also died alot
I only became half Illithid in my playthrough. Either way, it felt fitting for my Warlock. lol
Hot take
I prefer the tav mindflayer design over the normal ones
They look so much more unique and squidlike
Eyo what the fk
Through dialogue and at first not wanting to embrace it but being forced by a bad roll, it made me a half Illithide. I retained my normal mortal form, albeit for receiving many of the mind flayers bonus. My paladin could fly 18m each turn, turn into that deceiver cat thingy, all while completely nothing was lost from my normal character.
Seeing this spooked me a bit ngl
Idk, but I really am not fond of my character turning completely. Also retain my mental state, don't feel hunger, am still an potentially emotional character and so on, with no kind of hunger plaguing me.
I don't recall having to roll to resist but then I didint use any of the tadpole powers and im told thats probably why.
@@Exarch_Of_Justice Could be, I used like 2 tadpoles until that moment
@@__-tp4tmI had every available tadpole swimming in my noggin around that time and didn't have to roll to resist it
@@maddoxio Don't know, maybe they changed it?
For me, the Emperor was very persisting, not accepting my prior No, then I had to roll.
But hey, it played out okay anyways.
Open your eyes
Open your mind
Praise like a squid
Dont pretend to be nice
mindflayer got that good good
This might be the only way I see late game cinematics, cause I can't play this game to save my tadpole. I'm not giving up, but damn, its my first CRPG, and it's as tough as nails.
😢
Good luck on your playthrough 👍🏽
just dont play on the hardest difficulty
There is a lot to learn but this game is very forgiving since you can just respec your character with a low cost.
My advice you to make your play through a hell of a lot easier set one character up as the throwing God, I love using Karlac, for that And another doing dual hand crossbows the game will become Easy Mode for you after that. And always keep at least 2 summons out if able it will really make the more overwhelming fights easier. And just like Friday the more turns your side gets the better your chances of winning
BRO IT'S SO HARD AAAH. I had to reload my attempts to kill Dror Ragzlin like 7 times and kept failing. I just ditched the attempt, did some exploring and came back as a level 4 and finally nailed it. I'm constantly reloading junk on a balanced playthrough and it's tough!
Imagine if you could turn on the Emperor here and feed on him and free Orpheus lol
Thank you Lil Meep for posting this and your answers in the comments. it sucks you don't get to do much with being a mind flayer but I appreciate the information before buying.
Fingers crossed there's more in the future.
Np man
This has to be canon.
Hope not becoming a flayer is a terrible idea
😂 Terrible idea.
Time to go to the Upside Down 😂
Consider how nightmarishly powerful a Mind Flayer with twelve class levels actually would be. The base Challenge Rating for a Mind Flayer is 7, meaning that they'd be a challenge for a level 7 party of four characters. That's a mind flayer's baseline, what they're capable of at level zero. Add twelve levels of skills, abilities, stats boosts, feats, and spells, then add level appropriate equipment, and you have something that would easily be on par with a level 20 character.
20 level wizard mindflayers do exist. And they sometimes turn into lich, called Alhoon.
@@onesometoomuch Inaccurate. Under 5E, Alhoons are considered a CR 10 and can cast up to level 6. However, as powerful as that is, that's still the baseline for an Alhoon. That's an Alhoon that never put in any effort to become stronger and instead just coasts by on its natural abilities.
I feel like that is something that most people don't really get when it comes to how monster stats work in D&D. See, the stats for monsters given are literally for slacker monsters that never make any effort to get stronger, just getting by on the natural abilities they possess. An ogre's baseline strength is 19, meaning that without ever putting in any effort, the most out of shape ogre is still a minimum of 19 strength.
Any sapient monster can gain class levels, but there's always a experience adjustment attached to that, making it harder to level up because the natural talents that monsters possess hinder their ability to grow stronger through effort and experience. Like the ogre example above, that 19 strength means that most enemies go down effortlessly, so it would have to find and fight strong foes to gain the experience needed to get stronger.
However, most evil creatures are cowardly by nature, and will not risk their lives fighting strong opponents even if it meant getting stronger, preferring instead to use their superior abilities to bully the weak. Be grateful for that: A level 20 Ogre barbarian would be unimaginably strong, and a level 20 alhoon wizard would be practically a god. Heaven help anyone forced to fight an ancient green dragon that is also a level 20 cleric of Tiamat, because at that point I'm not sure who would be worshipping who.
Man, that description makes me sad we couldn’t play as one earlier in the game. The entire game I wanted to play as a mind flayer, and it sucks that not only is it a permanent and non-wild-shape-like ability, it only counts for the epilogue. And yeah, I know mind flayer a shouldn’t be able to go from human, to mind flayer, and vice versa at will, but that was my dream.
Man, that description makes me sad we couldn’t play as one earlier in the game. The entire game I wanted to play as a mind flayer, and it sucks that not only is it a permanent and non-wild-shape-like ability, it only counts for the epilogue. And yeah, I know mind flayer a shouldn’t be able to go from human, to mind flayer, and vice versa at will, but that was my dream.
Man, that description makes me sad we couldn’t play as one earlier in the game. The entire game I wanted to play as a mind flayer, and it sucks that not only is it a permanent and non-wild-shape-like ability, it only counts for the epilogue. And yeah, I know mind flayer a shouldn’t be able to go from human, to mind flayer, and vice versa at will, but that was my dream.
I'm on the road to this and my MC is a Paladin haha
Honesty was hoping we would look like a ulitharid
Brains live 🧠 brains, woops that's from return of the living dead.
That’s dope asf
People still debate if ceremorphosis is the death of the host.
Tav: Still playable after turning into mindflayer
Me: Then the soul is still intact. If not, we won't be able to control our player...
Headcanons
I think we, as players, are the embodiment of the tadpole. Just because mini-squidward doesn't get his happy ending of ceremorphosis all the time, doesn't mean our echo and drive don't linger.
Like a splinter in Tav's minds eye. Slowly driving them insane.
He turned into anklepants
It's not a fusion. It eats your mind and replaced it. You changed in your body. Your character died.
I'm pretty sure the context is different due to the events of the story. Like, i dont think the Durge loses its connection to Bhaal.
It depends. If a God has a strangle on your soul, a puny tadpole is not going to destroy it. For example, even if you are a Mind Flayer, Bhall still has control over you, meaning your soul is still existing. Probably the same with Mystra.
nope, you're still you, your soul just became non-apostolic.
@@kaantax8666 Ie, a soulless husk. Like all Mind Flayers.
@@Mare_Man nope, you still have a soul
Nice armor at least lol
I refuse to change and became like a half mind flayer. The emperor forced me to change and it was so fucked up xD like "dude...i said no"
He gave me the larva and I just threw it away. The only bad thing, I forgot to try and burn it, so maybe a kid got it on my back.
He doesn't force you tav just doesn't want to do it. If you used any tadpoles it counts as embracing so denying partial ceremorphosis becomes a skill check. The more you use the higher the skill check gets.
@@calvintyler9281 He kinda did. I didn't ant to change, I used the tadpoles before but the partial ceremorphosis was still something I said no in the dialogues. And I won the skill checks too. So I do count that as "No, I don't want that" and him saying "yeah, you'll get use to it."
I ate it and now I’m half illithid and look like I have corpspaint on my face
Do you het any good passives? Why go full mindflayer?
What powers does this give you
I beat this game 3 times. Never chose this 😅
How come I didn't become one like that, but only a "half ilithid"... Whos eonly difference from the previous form is a few black veins? Unless... Is it still going to happen?
companions having same stance triggers me >:v reee
Nooo Laezel :(
How do you turn a party memeber into one
I have recently become half mind flayer, when you get to this point is there still a lot of game left to enjoy? Because i don't see the point of doing it if the game is already over, i would appreciate it if you could answer it without spoilers.
Not a lot
@@LilMeep_x thanks
Half mind flayer is just for gameplay purposes and really has no bearing on the outcome of the game.
Ngl i was so disappointed when i turned into one😭 i was playing as a half orc tallest size it seems so weird seeing it short and skinny
They should of let us customize him when he turned full mind flayer
ngl I don't like how tav's illithid looks
I like the Larian redesign with the glowing eyes, but the player mind flayer looks like a 2e mind flayer
Your companions 😐😐
They look like the things from doctor who
The ood😂
ultrakill?
oohhh!!!!. Can you play the rest of the game as a mind flayer? its this a beginning, middle or ending game thing?
Literally the ending about 1hr worth of play as a mind flayer
@@LilMeep_x What are the powers associated with it? Out of curiosity.
Nice!!!@@LilMeep_x
@@authorindisguise5173 It gives you the ilithid powers but enhanced. You get another action for example.
Is this one of the endings or is this something you can play around with in open world?
You have to pick yourself or someone in your group to be it and it’s one of the endings
@@LilMeep_xcan you play as a mindflayer in the main game??
@@owenbruh9811 its near the end of the game so you can but not for long (update pc players can use a mod from nexus mods, Ring of Ceremorphosis - become a Mind Flayer mod)
why I don't have the same larva and why I turn into a hybrid and not entirely... I don't understand >
Half transformation is only at the start of act 3 and makes no difference for the story. It's just for gameplay purposes (trust me, those powers are SUPER important for some of the boss fights, especially Black Hole and Mind Sanctuary).
Full illithid is near the end and is an optional thing which affects the ending you get (there are several endings)
I'm not becoming a Mind flyer, and i will kill every single mind flyer i see.
Yooo, what outfit does your Shadoheart have? it looks good!
It’s the armor you get when you do her trials and I painted it red with white
As a new player to bg3, I was hoping that evolving meant we'd get this mind flayer form and could use it at will, like a wild shape form. Not to mention, I was expecting we'd be able to use this mind flayer form much earlier on in the game and customize it. I am a little disappointed that none of those were the case, and all i can hope for is the right mod to appear at the right time, or somehow larian releases some post-game expansions.
Can you somehow avoid anyone turning into one?
Give him the stones if you trust him
Cthulu
HOW DO YOU DO THIS?!
Near the ending of the game keep siding with the emperor
Can you have your with people as a mind flayer?
Do you mean romance options? It depends on the character ,some will refuse and some will accept
Can you still play when you turn into a mind flayer or is it game over
Only like 30 minutes then you beat the game
How does this change your romance epilogue with companions, out of curiosity?
Lae'zel breaks up with you (not a surprise there, you became the thing she hates the most), Karlach goes to hell anyway, Shadowheart has a cutscene where she tells you that even if you became an illithid you two are gonna make it work.
So to put it simply, of all the companions, only shadowheart says she's good with that!
As for Astarion, Wyll, Gayle and Halsin, I truly don't know.
@@colinlege9998 Wow I didn't expect Shadowheart to come through like that! Halsin basically ditches you in the 'good' ending so I assume it wouldn't be much different if you were a mindflayer
@@colinlege9998 They're right to abandon you. Mind Flayers have no souls, and can't truly feel emotions. Your personality remains because you're still young and adjusting to your new existence. But over time, you would become gradually more sociopathic, until you turn on your former lovers because they were becoming a liability.
@@Nyrufaor somehow make it work. It's how a character is made that defines the meaning of it. Probably or you go to some goblin hoard and consider it a Vegas buffet. No goblins attacking the countryside
@@articusramos808 Without emotions, you have no empathy, and thus would inevitably become a sociopath. As a mind flayer, you would only tolerate your 'partner' for as long as it continued to benefit you. But once they became a hinderance or a liability, you would abandon them immediately.
The only info I could find on a mind flayer's feeding schedule states they have to eat at least 1 brain from an intelligent creature every month to remain healthy, but they can go up to 3 months without brains before starving to death. With an average age of 120 years, that's 1,440 victims they need to devour to sustain themselves, per mind flayer.
Can you wear armor as a Mind Flayer? Can you at least customize the cloak you made?
No you can’t
@@LilMeep_xI'm curious about the armor you get in the Emperor's old hideout, they are clearly made for an Illithid when you look at their appearance (and the Emperor made them when he was already an Illithid so it should be logial for our pc to be able to wear them)...perhaps you can put them on? Have you tried it? Does it change anything?
@@colinlege9998You are only a mindflayer for like 20 minutes and the game ends
What does this change about your character mechanically?
You get more times to attack on a enemy
every illithid power you have is buffed (mind blast is once per turn instead of once per long rest for example, literally broken you can stunlock enemies with that), you get tentacle slash attack and a brain eating attack, but other than that i didnt actually check
What do you get for becoming a full mindflayer?
Google is not very helpfull and only talks about illathid powers you get from becoming half illathid
From what I played more attack turns before your turn is over
Can someone explain to me why we kill orpheus in the end? Isn't he protecting us from getting mind controlled?
I think you get his powers that’s why we eat his brain
Orpheus' psionic magic is the only thing protecting you and the emperor from the influence of the absolute. Since he's a Githyanki Prince he has innate psionic powers (not too dissimilar from a mindflayer, mind you).
By eating his brain you gain his psionic resistance to the absolute and as a mindflayer you can use the netherstones.
@@LilMeep_x it is weird that balduran doesn't just do that himself though right?
@@dasuberpandayou can choose for him to eat orphs brain.
Clan of Dr. ZOIDBERG will rule the world!!!
Bad End.
1:29-1:40 What does that mean?
Lost the feeling that many mortals have, explains cold calculated conscience that Mindflayers have in the first place.
how tf do you become a full mind flayer? i literally will drop this game if i can no longer do that i dont want to be half.
SPOILER
you can become mind flayer somewhere early in Act 3. The sequence from the cinematic is like last few minutes of the game.
@@Kheti I didn't completely become a flayer, just a hybrid and I don't understand why >< yet I absorbed a lot of larvae and used the powers
@@mishra266The game is really bugged right now, the number of larva you consume doesn't affect anything in game sadly. The larva the emperor gives you turns you into an Half-Illithid, no matter how many tadpoles you have.
@@mishra266 you can only become a full-blooded illithid near the end of the game. No matter what you do, there's no option to transform earlier.
Why can’t we get the emperors armour 😢
Bro was dripped out fr fr
@@LilMeep_x fr
Why would anyone do this on purpose? I thought the point was to avoid this one. I guess things change in act 3. But i haven't done it yet.
So I gotta question, is this like you actually become a mind flayer? Or is it like a you’ve become a bad guy that’s it game over thanks for playing scenario
You become one and can play for about a hour or so this is in the ending
@@LilMeep_x awww what a shame, still pretty cool though. Thanks
Lmao, the narrator. I wanted to play the game, but even though I had more than recommended specs the game lagged as f*** constantly so I got it refunded on Steam. Now I see this and the narrator is just hah.
I’ve never had a problem running the game
How much of the game is actually out?
The full game already released on pc on the 3rd of August
ayo wtf?
lol
I dont understand why all western rpgs with big power dont give it to you at least at the middle so you can enjoy it through the game, like in pathfinder for example. Its always at the end and you always cant do anything with it after. And by all i mean all, its like a pattern, for some reason westerners dont want to give big power to player or dont know how to include it in to story and we end up in a situations like this there you became all powerful midnflayer but cant do shit with it because story is already ended.
yup.........hate it. it got talked up SOOOOOOOOO much but nothing you can do will make you into one until the VERY end
No one who makes all-encompassing statements about "western" games deserves to have their opinion taken seriously.
@@Mare_Man 🤡🤡🤡
@user-xe4yk8gk3z Thanks for the self-portrait, dunno why you put it here though.
@@Mare_Man 🤡🤡🤡
awwww, you know i had hoped there would be a mindflayer customization, this is kinda dissapointing.
Same
... Man this really is making me glad I didn't touch BG3
You don't "become a mind flayer", you're consimed by the mind flayers and used as a host for their spawn.
That's the whole reason you didn't play it? Missing out so much that I'm sorry for you
Wow you sound like a jackass.
I mean, there’s so much magic and psyonics and such, there’s definitely ways around that.
I mean hell, in this case, you already have a tadpole on your head that’s being screwed with, and are now shoving a new tadpole that is even more screwed with. This isn’t exactly a normal ceremorph.
a pity that becoming a mindflayer does infact destroy your soul, that moment that happend he become nothing more than a bag of flesh, no soul or higher will in it, Tragic really.
Mindflayers can be resurrected, moreover how can anybody look at the two mindflayers free from elder brain control and say they have no soul. If they have no soul then a soul is pointless.
Some spoilers, but if you dig. The Emperor isn't strong a contender for having a soul@@tahjsimon9058
@@tahjsimon9058 free from the hivemind does not equal soul, a bag of flesh with nothing within/behind it is still soulless, and if you claim a soul is pointless then i fear you have not understood what a soul is.
anything without a soul as no afterlife and thus cannot be truely brought back.
sure you can revive a organ, aka a mindflayer, but theres no greater will behind it, a husk driven my hormones and chemicals, nothing more. there in lies the horror of a mindflayer, it is a true monster, a organ, a brain, nothing more.
they where designed to be one of DnD's ultimate monsters and as far as i know that still stands, i can be wrong ofc but i doubt larian was allowed to retcon that bit of DnD History.
Just because it moves and talks does not mean it has a soul, a psychopath moves and mimmics, it can talk, but it lacks something fundamental, i dont think you would consider that ''just another person'' Right? in the end its a philosofical question and its rooted in the concept of spirit and afterlife, rebirth ect.
Hope that helps.
But they do have a soul and or higher will that’s literally the whole plot with the emperor 😂😂 have u played that game at all??
@@tahjsimon9058 At the very end of the game our skeletal friend will be mocking Dead Three and will mention that when their followers turn into illithids they wont have soul or gods wont have their soul or something like that I dont excactly remember... Was something about souls and gods... But I have feeling that "soul" in that case is not what prevents person from beeing a "bag of flesh" or have anything to do with will. Both Emperor and Omeluum definitely have more free will then many other npcs
How bout you dont put spoilers in titles and thumbnails of your videos for those that have yet to have the pleasure of playing it? Ive finished it but this would suck for someone that hasn’t
They shouldn’t be looking stuff up 🤷🏽♂️
I can’t turn into it how come? I only got the option to eat it and become half 🥲
This is at the ending bro
@@LilMeep_x ahhh okay I see I just finish started act 3 rn!!
@@SynixWiredenjoy the rest of the game 👍🏽
I have done this like 20 times and never got the acheivment? what gives?
Voice doesn´t fit.
Je préfère tué la larve que de ressemblé a un monstre.