Let's not forget how badass it is to fight Tyr on 4 separate occasions with completely different movesets. The dude even whipped out a Katana in his final fight.
It's also nice to fight him again after finishing the Valhalla, because each time he will use a different weapon as his main one He's really one of the most awesome bossfights
Not to mention the 4 weapons are from 4 different lands, katana being from (duh) japanese myth, the dual swords being egyptian, spear and shield being roman (pretty sure), and his big sword being from some place idk
@@bobertastic6541 these 4 weapons are literal representation of the mural we saw in GoW 2018 in helheim in Odin’s office back when we were searching for the unity stone. We saw the Greek pantheon and we know of it already we saw the Japanese the Egyptian and lastly the Celtic (you can even notice how it’s design is very similar to kotal khan’s blade from mortal kombat) I love this details so much
He also behaves how an Adult Aang would, he fights but he fights for peace and gives guidance to others, ya know before Kora had to make him a negligent parent
@@Gamerlord17The Macuahuitl is an Aztec weapon, but to be fair geographically the Aztec and Mayan realms are very nearby (all though they are from different time periods) so they might combine a bit of both mythologies like they did with the Norse and Celtic pantheons.
Also I would like to point out that the next step for Kratos will be to prove that he can be a unifier. A guardian. A god of war who fights to protect his land not conqueror others. So what would be dope to me is if another Pantheon waged war on Midgard in an attempt to kill Kratos because they see him as a threat now that he's reclaimed his title as God of war.
@@manjupl2788 I don't think that would be a wise idea. Kratos trained Atreus so he could survive without him. If he gets captured and needs dad to come save him that's gonna undermine all of that
@@TheNaturex20 and I think that would be the point. I will admit I'm still a little disappointed that Ragnarok itself wasn't a bigger event but I feel like that's purely because they didn't wanna copy God of war 3 and turn Kratos back into a monster. Now? Now he doesn't have to worry about that. The people of midgard recognize him as their savor and will defend him and back him. If for example Egyptian mythology attacks Midgard? Kratos would no doubt step up to defend his new home and this would be his chance to show not just Midgard but other pantheons that Kratos will not fuck with them if they don't fuck with him
I love how the DLC acknowledged that the previous games were also multi-faceted and complex. Kratos had other flaws, mistakes, shortcomings, and bad decisions besides his revenge quest like how the neglect of his previous family, ambitious conquests, and desperations.
Yep; I said that when it first dropped. The DLCs proved that the Greek saga was more complex than casu.....people thought when they downplayed them to up the 2018 game. For me, it was much less about Tyr and more about really revisiting those things that happened in the originals.
I’m also glad they don’t completely push aside all the little things he did and held Kratos accountable. Absolutely incredible redemption arc, I hope we see more.
Neglect? He fuckin' killed his previous family. He was a warrior who was bred for war and at every corner he was put down so that others could rise up.
only new fans think the early gow games had no story or emotion and werent complex. Id actually go out and say the early gow games were more complex story wise than the new ones, the new gow games walk you through the story while holding your hand to tell it to your face like your a child. the older gow games remind me of dark souls story telling, theres story in everything like the items, npcs, enemys you fight, order that things happen, and ofc gameplay and cutscenes but nowadays they have a literal character telling you to your face what the story was from the 1st gow game to the current one. its crazy to think that the new gow fans are such close minded weirdos that shrug young kratos off as just someone whos angry for no reason and killed a lot of people for no reason that they literally had to have tyr explain that he did it for a very good reason.
@@AbdoAbdo-gl8vx By the time of GoW (2018), Kratos had a literal thousand years to be all over the world. Kratos might not have known what he was doing then but he definitely did by the time he settled down with Faye.
This is entirely correct! I've been telling people that for years now. The old games are NOT complex. They touch upon things, and get you thinking but never explore those in the depth those topics need. But that's not to say they were bad games. It's just that story wasn't their focus. The game as a video game always came first. Now, the story is given a bit higher focus and now we are finally getting the depth the topics these games bring up needs. This DLC just helps people see the more complex aspects of the older games. Bringing up things that should've been brought up but were only lightly touched upon.
Another thing that I noticed was the parallels to going to actual therapy. Going to therapy often can feel like a repetitive process, just like the repetitive loop of a rogue like. Fighting with mental health often does feel like a battle. Helios represents the negative voices in our head that brings us down when we talk or think about our past. Tyr is obviously the therapist, often we "fight" against the therapist when they are trying to help us but they also offer insight into our traumas. So the parallels are very prominent
And i like how Helios, i.e. negative voices reminding past mistakes, said that he will always be with Kratos, because this way he will be vigilant to not make the same mistakes again
AYO!! This video is next level on so many points. Don't think I didn't hear Uncle Iroh's "4 Seasons" in the background. Then the break down of the DLC with the precision of a Spartan General. Touchè good sir, touchè.
5:12 Yes, people like to think that krate was morally right when destroying asgard but that isn’t the case, the story itself showcases certain consequences for the destruction of asgard and even destroying friendships with other characters.
Which is why I said can be justified, not necessarily that it was 100% morally correct. Many Asgardian and Midgardian bystanders were killed or forced to migrate to uncomfortable territory. People like Thor tryna protect his home and failing. Brok. We all know everything is a shade of gray in this series
I think it was justified. It was a sort of trolley problem, if Asgard wasn't destroyed all of the other worlds would have perished to the fimbulwinter. Kratos wasn't justified to destroy Asgard? Then was he justified to let all of the other realms to perish?
(Spoiler) It was great to see Tyr playing such an important role in the DLC. I love the plot twist of Odin disguised as a fake Tyr in the main game, but i wish i saw the real one doing something important and not being just a NPC you find after you finish the game. The Valhalla DLC gave me even more than what i expected from the real Tyr! 10/10.
I'd love to see references about Tyr having been to other mythologies, like "Kratos, you are not the first visitor in these lands", It's a great nod about him and his footsteps in various mythologies
Tyr reminded me of a much better written Episode 8 Luke Skywalker. A man who strayed away from the normal traits of the jedi because of his force of nature. He purposely exiled himself after creating the very thing he feared the most… and when the “resistance” needed him the most… he vanished. Luke’s final act is similar in vein of Tyr by not being the passive old generation of jedi… but a peacekeeper who instills a better future by maintaining balance. He doesn’t “defeat” Kylo like we imagined with someone like Obi Wan… instead he undos the mistakes he once made and instills the best for Rey.
Odin mocked Tyr on his passiveness and avoidance of war and exaggerated it while disguised as him. This DLC gives us a Superman vs Darkseid moment of “Time for me to cut loose and show you just how powerful I am.”
7:46 To be fair, I did remember hearing somewhere that the team at Santa Monica said they still have plenty of plans for Kratos down the road. Of course that can mean a lot of things, so who knows? It did definitely seem like this was the end of Kratos's journey and that they were getting ready to shelf him. I hope this DLC proves that wrong, and that we'll continue to see him.
Thanks for the effort on this video. The only criticism i would have about Tyr is him (or the game) not explaining how Odin captured this slick son of a UNIT like that. Did Thor and Odin both team up on him? Or maybe some devious job from Odin? Would've been cool to have this chat with him.
First off, congratulations on the OHKO run glad to have you here. And fact, they could’ve had that as a dialogue line while you’re progressing. But I can a million percent believe that Odin snuck him, or maybe that purple freeze spell that he used on Kratos and Atreus. But ain’t no way his old ass won that 1v1.
The fact that Týr wasn’t broken like many of Odin’s other victims speaks either volumes of Týr’s strength or Odin’s failure to prove he was better. Perhaps both.
8:48 maybe they could make it so when you have the Huldra Project #9 relic with Helios' head it plays an alt animation using the blindness move from GoW 3. It would be pretty nice
They're preparing him to take on his rightful role, the god of war, nothing more nothing less, everything's explained in game . You're just reading too much into it😂
@@LuckyAJC bruh did you play the dlc😂tyr has no interest in holding the title as he's been gone for so long that he's more he's viewed as more myth and legend than actually existing, he says that the realms need someone new to take the role and considering kratos won ragnarok it makes sense he'd take the spot
I was worried, GOW is about many things, but let's be real, killing gods and beasts are the selling points of the franchise, everytime something new about other lands comes into the surface, we all get excited as we can get with the possibilities of meeting new gods and monsters, to fight them... but in GOW ragnarok Kratos being so sad and avoiding conflict at all costs made me worried about the future, like, what would be a good reason to make him fight again? how would SM justify another pantheon being wiped out by Kratos since he is so terrified of killing gods now? and by finding this balance within himself I think it's fair to say that if it's for the right reason, he might fight again, I'm ready for the new god of war, not the one who is going to fight out of rage, not the one will refuse to fight out of regret, but the one who will do what he can for the good of the people, let the hero saga begins... let's do some good, let's meet some people, and let's kill some gods with no burden on our backs...
This. THIS is EXACTLY what I mean. Him simply just going to another pantheon and fucking things up would’ve been redundant story wise without a different purpose. The classics were the villain arc, the modern were the middle ground, and the future shall be the hero arc. The Anticipation had been restored for me
@@TheNaturex20 I also think norse gods were the perfect set up for this as they aren't as inrinsinctly linked to the world as the Greek pantheon was so like it allows more personal conflicts and that when ome of the gods do die not everything is messed up beyond repair
@@TheNaturex20 I don't see the Greek saga as a villain arc at all. Zeus grew paranoid and mad which drove him to start killing people and he had to be taken down. That's not including how he also tormented Kratos' bloodline. Everyone who got in the way wasn't willing to exactly listen either. Kratos even gave Hercules and Hephaestus chances to live and they attacked him. Once Zeus was dead Kratos stopped his rampage and attempted to kill himself. The Greek saga is surprisingly polarizing I guess. It always seemed kind of apparent Kratos would be dragged into the next conflict. The thing that's a little strange about Ragnorok is technically Atreus, Freya, and Mimir instigated Kratos killing Odin for 2 whole games and I can't help but feel like there could be an extremely dark set up pending between The God of War and God of Mischief 🤔 either way, Loki plays a role in why Kratos returns in the next saga.
I honestly doubt we'll get another Kratos game. I agree, a big question was, what does Kratos do after Ragnarok? But i got a whole different vibe off the ending than you for Valhalla. Like his the God of War helping the lands rebuild. Its a good stopping point for his story, having come full circle to the first game. Plus we already have a plot set up for Atreus to take over since he is literally going to different lands to find the giants that are hiding.
Yeah but how many GoW fans want to play a game only with Atreus and without Kratos? God of War without Kratos is like Super Mario without Mario This would be a bad idea from business perspective. And since gaming is business, they will do what sells better: A game with Kratos The writers will find a reason for Kratos to go on
@@DannyGaendon So it's better to keep contriving reasons to make him kill? Like be honest, what would the next GoW game be if we are Kratos? He's in a land that is in peace times, helping to try and put everything back together and being a good leader to the people. You would rather we take all that away and make him go kill God's again? Dude we have like 8 or 9 games with Kratos, with Valhalla his story has gone full circle going back to the first GoW. It's time to let Kratos go and accept a new protagonist before they pull a Disney and ruin him cause they don't want to leave the comfort zone.
The amount of character that this dlc had, the expanded depth of the characters, I love it. The devs gave more respect to the past games than the reviewers. Thank you santa monica for giving us such a wonderful gift 🙏 This dlc acts like the bloody palace in devil may cry. Aka an injection of fun a challenge whenever I want One more thing. The reason the geneva convention / rules of war exist is so that, when there IS war, there can still be some chance of peace in the end so that neither side completely destroys the other with no remorse. Maybe kratos needs to be that.
Also because a lot of the methods used during WW2 were absolutely out of pocket. For example, you can thank the Canadians for several of them being very specific, like using grenades to check for life in a building.
@@BrokensoulRider goddamn I didn't even know that part. I only knew the surface level stuff like the germans' response to shotgun and flamethrowers. Thanks for the info
You're welcome. :) You can look up a lot of WW2 stuff around Canadians. They're fucking psychos. We love our little crazy hocky-loving hat.@@ImDaRealBoi
I love so much the fact that the 4 weapons Tyr uses are literal representation of the mural we saw in GoW 2018 in helheim in Odin’s office back when we were searching for the unity stone. We saw the Greek pantheon and we know of it already we saw the Japanese the Egyptian and lastly the Celtic (you can even notice how it’s design is very similar to kotal khan’s blade from mortal kombat) I love these details so much
I love the last few lines in the very ending when Kratos talks to his younger self. I don't remember them perfectly but it's basically: "You're cruel and selfish, but you're more than that, you've always been more than what others saw" Fits both to his character and as a reflection of the original series as a whole, sure it was violent, all about the gameplay and brutality with less focus on story, despite that, the story and its themes always been there, it always had meaning, I hear often how people say "the norse games matured the franchise", and while I understand what they are trying to say, Kratos story in greece has always been, to me at least, one of a very well written tragedy, the greek and norse games will forever complete what each other had to say. One shows a path of revenge leading to destruction and loneliness, ending with a self sacrifice, and the other is a path of redemption and rebuilding, with the payoff of the hope that came with said sacrifice. Like some others pointed out, this DLC doesn't change the greek games, it only explores them more in depth, shows what's already been there on more perspectives.
Absolutely. Always hate that some the developers for the Norse sage we're talking mad shit about the old gow games. Goes to show that those guy didn't understood them. They we're always deep with great gameplay. Glad this dlc reflected on the deeper messages and story classic gow was telling.
I see no lies here. It’s time to get rid of that false narrative once and for all. People don’t realize the New games only hit so hard BECAUSE of the old games BECAUSE of that initial build up. The God of War series as a whole is one of the best video game stories ever made.
Thank you, great video, i liked your thoughts and memes. Týr was definitely a big surprise in all of this. This little DLC has too much big surprises actually 😅
Tyr really did save the whole god of war series. At first, people saw him as a dissapointment. Always acting like a pacifist, revealing that he was odin all along and when the real him was found locked up, he had nothing to do other than meditate and waving his arms around since he missed the whole ragnarok thing. Alot of people would have preferred to see the real him participate in ragnarok. Some people may still do. But now? Now in valhalla he gets to show what he can do. He shows that he is everything the stories about him as the god of war. Not just as a fighter but also as a guide. He showed kratos a path for him. He saved the god of war series by living up to his reputation. And for that, i'd like to honor him by showing everyone here this song:ua-cam.com/video/s8-kflR8WPc/v-deo.htmlsi=kmQeQkwJzWQXTF-P
The franchise was nowhere close to die tf you smoked? The DLC is epic but not a reason to falsify something such as the franchise being near to die when it never did.
But that wasn't even the real Tyr throughout the main game. It was Odin disguising as Tyr. You don't meet the real Tyr through the main story till will wayy later in some snowy prison area if i remember correctly.
The other thing I think for the future of the God of War games is combat. I think what we got in Valhalla. I think they should combine the aspects of the old God of War games with the open world elements of the Norse games. We can have the straight up beat up looting to get upgrades for weapons and health. Also having the freedom to explore and find different places we can find loot and other places to explore while also there should bring back one of those finding arena challenges we had a neat Greek saga of the games.
We see tyr used different weapons in Dlc like Egyptian sword or katana, hopefully we see tyr adventure in those lands cause kratos have work in 9 realms but tyr is free, that can be fun
Kratos was a monster. Dude decided that today was leg day, and wasn't gonna be doing any lifting. So when it came time to go under a gate, he decided to rescue a princess, just so he could use her body to gum up the gate mechanism and hold it open for him. He takes giving his muscles 24 hours of recovery very seriously.
I will always say this. I never downplayed Tyr ever. The fact that Odin used Tyr to decieve us just shows the amount of respect all forms of life have for him. Odin locked Tyr up to prevent his demise but he wasn't expecting Kratos who filled Tyrs shoes as War. Tyr travelled everywhere and knows more and I can even say is way stronger then Kratos. He is just fighting to teach not to kill.
Playing these games, I was excited to see tyr get proper development and become a cool character and was really disappointed to find out that he wasn’t really a character at all, this dlc did him mad justice
This DLC not only for future gow player but old gow player as well. It ties all together, Kratos is now Wise man know when and when not to get hands dirty.
As someone who has over one hundred hours of gow 2018, has it platinum, bought and read its novel, and hell even has it as my profile, gow Ragnarok was probably the most disappointing game I have ever played in my life and I genuinely did not want to touch any of the newer gow games for a long time but goddamn did this dlc revive my love for the franchise. It improved on everything that I had problems with Ragnarok like its combat, story, lore and TYR. This is the God of War Tyr (no wonder why Odin was so scared of him) and I am so glad we got to see the real him this time
tyr didn't just give kratos therapy. tyr gave ALL of us therapy. you get a man that is internally tough and thinks therapy is shit. get him hooked on god of war. have him try valhalla and he'll see that therapy ain't that bad.
Therapy isn't bad, but sometimes people need different kinds of therapy. I have a feeling a lot more men might find therapy helpful if it involved building something during the process.
Most therapy is bad bc most psychologists have no field experience. they just judge you off ur symptoms n give you meds. tyr actually been wjere kratos was and knows more about him through valhalla. teaches him with the only language he knows which is fighting mashed with wisdom@@HSuper_Lee
The thing is, videogames where killing everything in sight as violently as possible IS my therapy so when the game begins to lecture me on things it encouraged me to do at one point I find it pretentious. Also didn't appreciate the fact I was getting nerfed to give Tyr a chance while he got to use his whole kit and summon help 😅
its a rougelike. you are not weak, you start from 0 and build ur way up and story wise tyr is your friend. he is just sparring hence the yielding at the end@@Do0mSl4yer95
Kratos has Inhuman level's of strength. We see him regularly lift huge pillars so he can crawl under them. But a gate, a common gate in a palace... Kratos was like, "Nah, I'm gonna take this woman I just rescued from God's knows what, and stuff her body into the gear mechanism to hold the gate open for me. I ain't got time for any lifting, today is leg day." Kratos was a monster. He deserved bad things to happen to him. I am happy he's trying to atone though.
@@broderickblack No. It's never right to use an innocent person to prop open a gate with their corpse. Dude can punch out a minator or cyclops but can't lift a gate? Ridiculous
@@mr.mediocregamer9653 @mr.mediocregamer9653 Bruh he spared a fate worser than the death given, besides who cares about a sex slave of the gods Kratos granted a mercy killing it.
@@broderickblack She was human, she did nothing to deserve her death and Kratos was being a monster for doing what he did. She was a sex slave so it was ok to kill her? You know that right now kids are being trafficked for sex. Do they deserve to be killed?
I know this is off topic,but you forgot to add 2 more things in your odin vs zeus video. You were supposed to add in who was the worst father and who had the better drip
Damn you’re right. I believe Odin has the superior drip, Zeus was pretty typical and was carried by his imposing physique But I think Zeus was the worst father (even tho Odin is not far) considering Zeus has wayyy more kids and don’t even interact with them. Odin be bullying Thor but at least that man is present I guess 🤣.
Zeus even when he was infected by the evil fear at least addressed kratos as his son. He cared enough for ares to bury him. The way odin addresses his sons comes off the way a commander addresses his soldiers and that's all his sons and everyone else was to him. He asked loki if he found anything noteworthy as if his son heimdall being dead wasn't noteworthy. To him he was simply another casualty. He even treated his own daughter-in-law like a soldier like it was normal. Also, zeus talked to athena in a gow novel so he did talk to his children just not that often
Also I was wondering how the draupnir spear will give kratos the "6th sense" that brok talked about in order to kill vali or are you gonna explain it in part 9
I'm pretty sure that the first thing Kratos would have to deal with as the new god of war Is the bullshit the elves are always getting into with eachother. Like the 2018 game explicitly mentions that at this point, they just go to war because it's what they've always known. The only reason they cooperated in ragnarok Is because "get along or fucking die" isn't really a choice.
If he is staying in Norse and this is the last Norse game. Does that mean the next pantheon we will play as atreus? I don't mind, but I hope for at least a cameo.
Loki’s search for the remaining Giants has a higher chance of putting him at odds with other pantheons, while Kratos is staying to help the realms rebuild. I think we will see Sigrun make a cameo in a future title given the events of Valhalla, Kratos without a doubt will return to Greece and that is where we will possibly get the father-and-son reunion
I think that the green rift Odin was obsessed with will be the catalyst for future games. Atreus will come across more leads on it in his search for the giants (probably in his own spinoff game) and find out they are more important than he realized and ask Kratos for help in solving it all.
I can't wait to see this channel explode. Your videos are so good. I love your takes. I just know there's gonna be a y=×^2 curve to this thing. Just a matter of time.
I havent been the biggest fan of the new series I admit, most of the time it feels like a game made by people who wanted to make a movie. However I do kind of appreciate what they tried to do here with the DLC having Kratos come to terms with what he did in Greece That said I think the best characterization of Kratos comes from the original series, more accurately the 2 PSP games and Ascension as those are the closest we come to seeing Kratos the human before Kratos the god. And how the attempts of the gods to make Kratos less human to better fit his role ended up turning him into the monster that brought about the destruction of the Greek pantheon
Let's not forget how badass it is to fight Tyr on 4 separate occasions with completely different movesets. The dude even whipped out a Katana in his final fight.
Hypest shit to witness istg
It's also nice to fight him again after finishing the Valhalla, because each time he will use a different weapon as his main one
He's really one of the most awesome bossfights
I can't wait to see Atreus grown up fighting against samurais
Not to mention the 4 weapons are from 4 different lands, katana being from (duh) japanese myth, the dual swords being egyptian, spear and shield being roman (pretty sure), and his big sword being from some place idk
@@bobertastic6541 these 4 weapons are literal representation of the mural we saw in GoW 2018 in helheim in Odin’s office back when we were searching for the unity stone. We saw the Greek pantheon and we know of it already we saw the Japanese the Egyptian and lastly the Celtic (you can even notice how it’s design is very similar to kotal khan’s blade from mortal kombat) I love this details so much
Tyr looks like aang if he were a Viking.
Got the tattoos and everything. And I also think his 4 weapons could represent the 4 elements. They knew what they were doing
@@TheNaturex20 Yes.
@@TheNaturex20 those weapons are most definitely foreshadowing. Mayan, Egyptian and Japanese.
He also behaves how an Adult Aang would, he fights but he fights for peace and gives guidance to others, ya know before Kora had to make him a negligent parent
@@Gamerlord17The Macuahuitl is an Aztec weapon, but to be fair geographically the Aztec and Mayan realms are very nearby (all though they are from different time periods) so they might combine a bit of both mythologies like they did with the Norse and Celtic pantheons.
Also I would like to point out that the next step for Kratos will be to prove that he can be a unifier. A guardian. A god of war who fights to protect his land not conqueror others.
So what would be dope to me is if another Pantheon waged war on Midgard in an attempt to kill Kratos because they see him as a threat now that he's reclaimed his title as God of war.
Cool idea or atreus kidnapped by the egyptianz and kratos going to rescue him alone would be insane
@@manjupl2788 I don't think that would be a wise idea. Kratos trained Atreus so he could survive without him. If he gets captured and needs dad to come save him that's gonna undermine all of that
Man that would be on another level. One pantheon Against another? That’s gonna make Ragnarok look like a goofy ass skirmish.
@@Gamerlord17 oh yeah forgot about that.
I just want a kratos solo long adventure again lol
@@TheNaturex20 and I think that would be the point. I will admit I'm still a little disappointed that Ragnarok itself wasn't a bigger event but I feel like that's purely because they didn't wanna copy God of war 3 and turn Kratos back into a monster.
Now? Now he doesn't have to worry about that. The people of midgard recognize him as their savor and will defend him and back him.
If for example Egyptian mythology attacks Midgard? Kratos would no doubt step up to defend his new home and this would be his chance to show not just Midgard but other pantheons that Kratos will not fuck with them if they don't fuck with him
Týr is that one friend who helps you when you’re going through depression and mental troubles.
Tyr is Gail Lewis change my mind
Never heard of it
I love how the DLC acknowledged that the previous games were also multi-faceted and complex. Kratos had other flaws, mistakes, shortcomings, and bad decisions besides his revenge quest like how the neglect of his previous family, ambitious conquests, and desperations.
Yep; I said that when it first dropped. The DLCs proved that the Greek saga was more complex than casu.....people thought when they downplayed them to up the 2018 game. For me, it was much less about Tyr and more about really revisiting those things that happened in the originals.
I’m also glad they don’t completely push aside all the little things he did and held Kratos accountable. Absolutely incredible redemption arc, I hope we see more.
Neglect? He fuckin' killed his previous family. He was a warrior who was bred for war and at every corner he was put down so that others could rise up.
If anything it makes me happier the "simplified look" on the Greek saga so far, seems to just be Kratos' perspective on it.
only new fans think the early gow games had no story or emotion and werent complex. Id actually go out and say the early gow games were more complex story wise than the new ones, the new gow games walk you through the story while holding your hand to tell it to your face like your a child. the older gow games remind me of dark souls story telling, theres story in everything like the items, npcs, enemys you fight, order that things happen, and ofc gameplay and cutscenes but nowadays they have a literal character telling you to your face what the story was from the 1st gow game to the current one.
its crazy to think that the new gow fans are such close minded weirdos that shrug young kratos off as just someone whos angry for no reason and killed a lot of people for no reason that they literally had to have tyr explain that he did it for a very good reason.
Also tyr is the key to go to other pantheons (he knows how to travel between mythologies)
Dude, Kratos knows as well, and from what we've seen, you can literally walk to another pantheon (or use a boat)
What tyr knows is how to fast travel lmao
@@Delta_2209 syre but i don't think kratis did it knowingly
@@AbdoAbdo-gl8vx By the time of GoW (2018), Kratos had a literal thousand years to be all over the world. Kratos might not have known what he was doing then but he definitely did by the time he settled down with Faye.
There is a comic, and its canon i belive, where kratos defeats a huge monster in egypt, and he talks to the gods there.
Kratos easily, without a doubt, on the top five best video game characters of all time.
It's a shame that weird mountain man isn't Kratos.
Kratos, Ezio Auditore, and Arthur Morgan are my favorite of all time
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This DLC probably deserves best Playstation exclusive game of 2023.
God of War Valhalla is game of the year
No tyr showed you a perspective about the old games you didn't see ,the games didn't change only your perspective
This is entirely correct! I've been telling people that for years now. The old games are NOT complex. They touch upon things, and get you thinking but never explore those in the depth those topics need. But that's not to say they were bad games. It's just that story wasn't their focus. The game as a video game always came first. Now, the story is given a bit higher focus and now we are finally getting the depth the topics these games bring up needs.
This DLC just helps people see the more complex aspects of the older games. Bringing up things that should've been brought up but were only lightly touched upon.
This DLC does so much for the franchise
Another thing that I noticed was the parallels to going to actual therapy. Going to therapy often can feel like a repetitive process, just like the repetitive loop of a rogue like. Fighting with mental health often does feel like a battle. Helios represents the negative voices in our head that brings us down when we talk or think about our past. Tyr is obviously the therapist, often we "fight" against the therapist when they are trying to help us but they also offer insight into our traumas. So the parallels are very prominent
And i like how Helios, i.e. negative voices reminding past mistakes, said that he will always be with Kratos, because this way he will be vigilant to not make the same mistakes again
AYO!! This video is next level on so many points. Don't think I didn't hear Uncle Iroh's "4 Seasons" in the background. Then the break down of the DLC with the precision of a Spartan General. Touchè good sir, touchè.
5:12 Yes, people like to think that krate was morally right when destroying asgard but that isn’t the case, the story itself showcases certain consequences for the destruction of asgard and even destroying friendships with other characters.
Which is why I said can be justified, not necessarily that it was 100% morally correct. Many Asgardian and Midgardian bystanders were killed or forced to migrate to uncomfortable territory. People like Thor tryna protect his home and failing. Brok. We all know everything is a shade of gray in this series
I think it was justified. It was a sort of trolley problem, if Asgard wasn't destroyed all of the other worlds would have perished to the fimbulwinter. Kratos wasn't justified to destroy Asgard? Then was he justified to let all of the other realms to perish?
krate
The same thing happen during gow 3 Kratos want Zeus death but all the gods are in the way, and killing those god destabilize Greek.
Who is krate ?
(Spoiler) It was great to see Tyr playing such an important role in the DLC. I love the plot twist of Odin disguised as a fake Tyr in the main game, but i wish i saw the real one doing something important and not being just a NPC you find after you finish the game. The Valhalla DLC gave me even more than what i expected from the real Tyr! 10/10.
I'd love to see references about Tyr having been to other mythologies, like "Kratos, you are not the first visitor in these lands", It's a great nod about him and his footsteps in various mythologies
Tyr - Kratos therapist with Keanu Reeves vibes.
Tyr reminded me of a much better written Episode 8 Luke Skywalker. A man who strayed away from the normal traits of the jedi because of his force of nature. He purposely exiled himself after creating the very thing he feared the most… and when the “resistance” needed him the most… he vanished. Luke’s final act is similar in vein of Tyr by not being the passive old generation of jedi… but a peacekeeper who instills a better future by maintaining balance. He doesn’t “defeat” Kylo like we imagined with someone like Obi Wan… instead he undos the mistakes he once made and instills the best for Rey.
Odin mocked Tyr on his passiveness and avoidance of war and exaggerated it while disguised as him. This DLC gives us a Superman vs Darkseid moment of “Time for me to cut loose and show you just how powerful I am.”
7:46
To be fair, I did remember hearing somewhere that the team at Santa Monica said they still have plenty of plans for Kratos down the road.
Of course that can mean a lot of things, so who knows? It did definitely seem like this was the end of Kratos's journey and that they were getting ready to shelf him. I hope this DLC proves that wrong, and that we'll continue to see him.
Tyr was cooking up the perfect therapy session and heard you talking shit so he had to clear his name with those boss fights
Týr, god of therapy
The god of Týrapy
Tyr is quite literally the Avatar of Norse Mythology 😂
Tyr came through in this dlc
Hell yeah, it was everything we needed
Thanks for the effort on this video.
The only criticism i would have about Tyr is him (or the game) not explaining how Odin captured this slick son of a UNIT like that. Did Thor and Odin both team up on him? Or maybe some devious job from Odin? Would've been cool to have this chat with him.
First off, congratulations on the OHKO run glad to have you here.
And fact, they could’ve had that as a dialogue line while you’re progressing. But I can a million percent believe that Odin snuck him, or maybe that purple freeze spell that he used on Kratos and Atreus. But ain’t no way his old ass won that 1v1.
The fact that Týr wasn’t broken like many of Odin’s other victims speaks either volumes of Týr’s strength or Odin’s failure to prove he was better. Perhaps both.
This whole thing is basically the Viking verion of "Kratos meets Jesus"
I would genuinely pay for the next dlc. Damn i was ready to pay for this one when i knew it was free
8:48 maybe they could make it so when you have the Huldra Project #9 relic with Helios' head it plays an alt animation using the blindness move from GoW 3. It would be pretty nice
I wasn’t expecting A god of war MADTERPIECE to trick me into a 6 hour therapy session
I hope I am not the only one that believes that tyr and freya are preparing him for something, we just do not know what.
They need a new god of war and believe he's the best choice, that's what him going to Valhalla was all about
They're preparing him to take on his rightful role, the god of war, nothing more nothing less, everything's explained in game . You're just reading too much into it😂
@@finger3306tyr is the God of war. the Norse don't need kratos.
@@LuckyAJC bruh did you play the dlc😂tyr has no interest in holding the title as he's been gone for so long that he's more he's viewed as more myth and legend than actually existing, he says that the realms need someone new to take the role and considering kratos won ragnarok it makes sense he'd take the spot
You didn't play the dlc@@LuckyAJC
I was worried, GOW is about many things, but let's be real, killing gods and beasts are the selling points of the franchise, everytime something new about other lands comes into the surface, we all get excited as we can get with the possibilities of meeting new gods and monsters, to fight them... but in GOW ragnarok Kratos being so sad and avoiding conflict at all costs made me worried about the future, like, what would be a good reason to make him fight again? how would SM justify another pantheon being wiped out by Kratos since he is so terrified of killing gods now? and by finding this balance within himself I think it's fair to say that if it's for the right reason, he might fight again, I'm ready for the new god of war, not the one who is going to fight out of rage, not the one will refuse to fight out of regret, but the one who will do what he can for the good of the people, let the hero saga begins... let's do some good, let's meet some people, and let's kill some gods with no burden on our backs...
This. THIS is EXACTLY what I mean. Him simply just going to another pantheon and fucking things up would’ve been redundant story wise without a different purpose. The classics were the villain arc, the modern were the middle ground, and the future shall be the hero arc. The Anticipation had been restored for me
@@TheNaturex20 I also think norse gods were the perfect set up for this as they aren't as inrinsinctly linked to the world as the Greek pantheon was so like it allows more personal conflicts and that when ome of the gods do die not everything is messed up beyond repair
@@TheNaturex20 I don't see the Greek saga as a villain arc at all. Zeus grew paranoid and mad which drove him to start killing people and he had to be taken down. That's not including how he also tormented Kratos' bloodline. Everyone who got in the way wasn't willing to exactly listen either. Kratos even gave Hercules and Hephaestus chances to live and they attacked him. Once Zeus was dead Kratos stopped his rampage and attempted to kill himself. The Greek saga is surprisingly polarizing I guess.
It always seemed kind of apparent Kratos would be dragged into the next conflict.
The thing that's a little strange about Ragnorok is technically Atreus, Freya, and Mimir instigated Kratos killing Odin for 2 whole games and I can't help but feel like there could be an extremely dark set up pending between The God of War and God of Mischief 🤔 either way, Loki plays a role in why Kratos returns in the next saga.
Imagine the Atreus sections in future games replaced with Tyr sections
I honestly doubt we'll get another Kratos game. I agree, a big question was, what does Kratos do after Ragnarok? But i got a whole different vibe off the ending than you for Valhalla. Like his the God of War helping the lands rebuild. Its a good stopping point for his story, having come full circle to the first game. Plus we already have a plot set up for Atreus to take over since he is literally going to different lands to find the giants that are hiding.
Yeah but how many GoW fans want to play a game only with Atreus and without Kratos?
God of War without Kratos is like Super Mario without Mario
This would be a bad idea from business perspective. And since gaming is business, they will do what sells better: A game with Kratos
The writers will find a reason for Kratos to go on
@@DannyGaendon So it's better to keep contriving reasons to make him kill? Like be honest, what would the next GoW game be if we are Kratos? He's in a land that is in peace times, helping to try and put everything back together and being a good leader to the people.
You would rather we take all that away and make him go kill God's again? Dude we have like 8 or 9 games with Kratos, with Valhalla his story has gone full circle going back to the first GoW. It's time to let Kratos go and accept a new protagonist before they pull a Disney and ruin him cause they don't want to leave the comfort zone.
“A fraud, then turned into a yoga 🧘🏿♂️ instructor” 🤣 😂😂😂
The amount of character that this dlc had, the expanded depth of the characters, I love it. The devs gave more respect to the past games than the reviewers. Thank you santa monica for giving us such a wonderful gift 🙏
This dlc acts like the bloody palace in devil may cry. Aka an injection of fun a challenge whenever I want
One more thing. The reason the geneva convention / rules of war exist is so that, when there IS war, there can still be some chance of peace in the end so that neither side completely destroys the other with no remorse. Maybe kratos needs to be that.
Also because a lot of the methods used during WW2 were absolutely out of pocket. For example, you can thank the Canadians for several of them being very specific, like using grenades to check for life in a building.
@@BrokensoulRider goddamn I didn't even know that part. I only knew the surface level stuff like the germans' response to shotgun and flamethrowers. Thanks for the info
You're welcome. :) You can look up a lot of WW2 stuff around Canadians. They're fucking psychos. We love our little crazy hocky-loving hat.@@ImDaRealBoi
“all the, ATREUS” dawg i felt this to my soul at a certain point I was just like, BOY, DO NOT LIE TO ME AGAIN BOY.
I acually felt that this was like a conclussion for Kratos's development, like this is a comfortable resting point for his story
I could actually see that as well
I love so much the fact that the 4 weapons Tyr uses are literal representation of the mural we saw in GoW 2018 in helheim in Odin’s office back when we were searching for the unity stone. We saw the Greek pantheon and we know of it already we saw the Japanese the Egyptian and lastly the Celtic (you can even notice how it’s design is very similar to kotal khan’s blade from mortal kombat) I love these details so much
The God of War series never needed saving until Trashnarock's release.
Also mimir says it best, a god of war is needed so rules of conflict can be set.
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I love the last few lines in the very ending when Kratos talks to his younger self. I don't remember them perfectly but it's basically:
"You're cruel and selfish, but you're more than that, you've always been more than what others saw"
Fits both to his character and as a reflection of the original series as a whole, sure it was violent, all about the gameplay and brutality with less focus on story, despite that, the story and its themes always been there, it always had meaning, I hear often how people say "the norse games matured the franchise", and while I understand what they are trying to say, Kratos story in greece has always been, to me at least, one of a very well written tragedy, the greek and norse games will forever complete what each other had to say.
One shows a path of revenge leading to destruction and loneliness, ending with a self sacrifice, and the other is a path of redemption and rebuilding, with the payoff of the hope that came with said sacrifice.
Like some others pointed out, this DLC doesn't change the greek games, it only explores them more in depth, shows what's already been there on more perspectives.
Absolutely. Always hate that some the developers for the Norse sage we're talking mad shit about the old gow games. Goes to show that those guy didn't understood them. They we're always deep with great gameplay. Glad this dlc reflected on the deeper messages and story classic gow was telling.
I see no lies here. It’s time to get rid of that false narrative once and for all. People don’t realize the New games only hit so hard BECAUSE of the old games BECAUSE of that initial build up. The God of War series as a whole is one of the best video game stories ever made.
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My favorite game of all times (Never played that in my life)
Having tyr and kratos as friends is so badass. I still think they wasted Tyr in the main story but it’s still great to see him in the DLC
the story from tyr and odin is so crazy
Thank you, great video, i liked your thoughts and memes. Týr was definitely a big surprise in all of this. This little DLC has too much big surprises actually 😅
Just got my sub lil bro 😎 keep up the good work.
Tyr really did save the whole god of war series. At first, people saw him as a dissapointment. Always acting like a pacifist, revealing that he was odin all along and when the real him was found locked up, he had nothing to do other than meditate and waving his arms around since he missed the whole ragnarok thing. Alot of people would have preferred to see the real him participate in ragnarok. Some people may still do. But now? Now in valhalla he gets to show what he can do. He shows that he is everything the stories about him as the god of war. Not just as a fighter but also as a guide. He showed kratos a path for him. He saved the god of war series by living up to his reputation. And for that, i'd like to honor him by showing everyone here this song:ua-cam.com/video/s8-kflR8WPc/v-deo.htmlsi=kmQeQkwJzWQXTF-P
Banger 🔥
love that video, not even finished watching. This is simply amazing
The franchise was nowhere close to die tf you smoked? The DLC is epic but not a reason to falsify something such as the franchise being near to die when it never did.
But that wasn't even the real Tyr throughout the main game. It was Odin disguising as Tyr. You don't meet the real Tyr through the main story till will wayy later in some snowy prison area if i remember correctly.
The DLC was pretty great, if not kinda better than the last half of Ragnarok
The other thing I think for the future of the God of War games is combat. I think what we got in Valhalla. I think they should combine the aspects of the old God of War games with the open world elements of the Norse games. We can have the straight up beat up looting to get upgrades for weapons and health. Also having the freedom to explore and find different places we can find loot and other places to explore while also there should bring back one of those finding arena challenges we had a neat Greek saga of the games.
We see tyr used different weapons in Dlc like Egyptian sword or katana, hopefully we see tyr adventure in those lands cause kratos have work in 9 realms but tyr is free, that can be fun
Kratos was a monster. Dude decided that today was leg day, and wasn't gonna be doing any lifting. So when it came time to go under a gate, he decided to rescue a princess, just so he could use her body to gum up the gate mechanism and hold it open for him. He takes giving his muscles 24 hours of recovery very seriously.
I will always say this.
I never downplayed Tyr ever. The fact that Odin used Tyr to decieve us just shows the amount of respect all forms of life have for him. Odin locked Tyr up to prevent his demise but he wasn't expecting Kratos who filled Tyrs shoes as War.
Tyr travelled everywhere and knows more and I can even say is way stronger then Kratos. He is just fighting to teach not to kill.
Bro absolutely COOKED with this one
I knew that haveing 2 god of wars would of been an amazing idea and it turned out better then I imagined.
God. I just wish that people would just stop fucking bitching about Atreus. He’s a good character, for fuck’s sake, quit whining.
I’m sorry I just hate him so much I can’t stop bitching.
@@TheNaturex20 Sounds like your problem. Not ours.
Rome:*invades midgard *
Mars(ares) upon seeing who is defending in the frontlines:i should not have come here... I SHOULD NOT HAVE COME HERE
Yow the avatar music bangs
Playing these games, I was excited to see tyr get proper development and become a cool character and was really disappointed to find out that he wasn’t really a character at all, this dlc did him mad justice
I never imagined Tyr would be this cool.
This DLC not only for future gow player but old gow player as well. It ties all together, Kratos is now Wise man know when and when not to get hands dirty.
Watched the whole thing twice, this is great.
Tyr can't save something that don't need saving.
As someone who has over one hundred hours of gow 2018, has it platinum, bought and read its novel, and hell even has it as my profile, gow Ragnarok was probably the most disappointing game I have ever played in my life and I genuinely did not want to touch any of the newer gow games for a long time but goddamn did this dlc revive my love for the franchise. It improved on everything that I had problems with Ragnarok like its combat, story, lore and TYR. This is the God of War Tyr (no wonder why Odin was so scared of him) and I am so glad we got to see the real him this time
The series ended perfectly at 3. Now the writers are trying to milk the series for everything it's worth and we're acting like it's the second coming.
Buddy GOW3 ends on a cliffhanger lol
Great analysis, great delivery.
Rouge likes are always great
Very interesting video, good job brother
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@NATURE904 when we gon get part 8 of the rewrite
tyr didn't just give kratos therapy.
tyr gave ALL of us therapy.
you get a man that is internally tough and thinks therapy is shit. get him hooked on god of war. have him try valhalla and he'll see that therapy ain't that bad.
Therapy isn't bad, but sometimes people need different kinds of therapy. I have a feeling a lot more men might find therapy helpful if it involved building something during the process.
Most therapy is bad bc most psychologists have no field experience. they just judge you off ur symptoms n give you meds.
tyr actually been wjere kratos was and knows more about him through valhalla.
teaches him with the only language he knows which is fighting mashed with wisdom@@HSuper_Lee
The thing is, videogames where killing everything in sight as violently as possible IS my therapy so when the game begins to lecture me on things it encouraged me to do at one point I find it pretentious. Also didn't appreciate the fact I was getting nerfed to give Tyr a chance while he got to use his whole kit and summon help 😅
its a rougelike. you are not weak, you start from 0 and build ur way up
and story wise tyr is your friend. he is just sparring hence the yielding at the end@@Do0mSl4yer95
"Saved" is a bit much for a series that isnt dying
Analysis, fire. Editing, fire. Gameplay, FIRE!!!
This was a banger video
Finally getting the recognition 🎉🙏
Kratos has Inhuman level's of strength. We see him regularly lift huge pillars so he can crawl under them. But a gate, a common gate in a palace... Kratos was like, "Nah, I'm gonna take this woman I just rescued from God's knows what, and stuff her body into the gear mechanism to hold the gate open for me. I ain't got time for any lifting, today is leg day."
Kratos was a monster. He deserved bad things to happen to him.
I am happy he's trying to atone though.
You all still are bringing that up, Kratos was in the right there bruh.
@@broderickblack No. It's never right to use an innocent person to prop open a gate with their corpse. Dude can punch out a minator or cyclops but can't lift a gate? Ridiculous
@@mr.mediocregamer9653 @mr.mediocregamer9653 Bruh he spared a fate worser than the death given, besides who cares about a sex slave of the gods Kratos granted a mercy killing it.
@@broderickblack She was human, she did nothing to deserve her death and Kratos was being a monster for doing what he did.
She was a sex slave so it was ok to kill her? You know that right now kids are being trafficked for sex. Do they deserve to be killed?
@@mr.mediocregamer9653 Let's not talk about what humanity deserves, bruh it would only end up in one way.
When I saw tyr here the only thing I could think about is your reaction to this
I know this is off topic,but you forgot to add 2 more things in your odin vs zeus video. You were supposed to add in who was the worst father and who had the better drip
Damn you’re right.
I believe Odin has the superior drip, Zeus was pretty typical and was carried by his imposing physique
But I think Zeus was the worst father (even tho Odin is not far) considering Zeus has wayyy more kids and don’t even interact with them. Odin be bullying Thor but at least that man is present I guess 🤣.
Zeus even when he was infected by the evil fear at least addressed kratos as his son. He cared enough for ares to bury him. The way odin addresses his sons comes off the way a commander addresses his soldiers and that's all his sons and everyone else was to him. He asked loki if he found anything noteworthy as if his son heimdall being dead wasn't noteworthy. To him he was simply another casualty. He even treated his own daughter-in-law like a soldier like it was normal. Also, zeus talked to athena in a gow novel so he did talk to his children just not that often
@@DanielRodriguez-mc4bp Actually you might be right…
Also I was wondering how the draupnir spear will give kratos the "6th sense" that brok talked about in order to kill vali or are you gonna explain it in part 9
@@DanielRodriguez-mc4bp Yeah it’ll be explained for sure
Bro the weapon upgrade combos too. Makes a weapon the strongest slaughtering machine
Technically if you get a specific Relic you could use Helios to "Blind" enemies
That dlc is what kratos needed a therapy session
Great video man
8:46 HE HAS A POINT! I wanted to use the head
I'm pretty sure that the first thing Kratos would have to deal with as the new god of war Is the bullshit the elves are always getting into with eachother. Like the 2018 game explicitly mentions that at this point, they just go to war because it's what they've always known. The only reason they cooperated in ragnarok Is because "get along or fucking die" isn't really a choice.
If he is staying in Norse and this is the last Norse game. Does that mean the next pantheon we will play as atreus? I don't mind, but I hope for at least a cameo.
Loki’s search for the remaining Giants has a higher chance of putting him at odds with other pantheons, while Kratos is staying to help the realms rebuild. I think we will see Sigrun make a cameo in a future title given the events of Valhalla, Kratos without a doubt will return to Greece and that is where we will possibly get the father-and-son reunion
I think that the green rift Odin was obsessed with will be the catalyst for future games. Atreus will come across more leads on it in his search for the giants (probably in his own spinoff game) and find out they are more important than he realized and ask Kratos for help in solving it all.
This video is so FYE 🔥 This the video we needed. This is the video that needed to explain how great Kratos could be
The last three seconds got me 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Bro, I SAID THAT SAME SHIT ABOUT HELIOS!!!!
ngl i still think i want a atreus game or portions in the next game
Honestly I’d be down to see some Atreus updates. Give him some more tools to play with
Can't wait to start the DLC. I just bought the game and I want to finish the story at the very least
It's official, his new name is Avatar Tyr!
AvaTýr
@@blackroomrob4205 I love it and I hate it. You have my like. Now get out
Fuck it I’m using both!
I can't wait to see this channel explode. Your videos are so good. I love your takes. I just know there's gonna be a y=×^2 curve to this thing. Just a matter of time.
I actually enjoyed this video
The fact you think GOW needed saving in the first place is hilarious
I havent been the biggest fan of the new series I admit, most of the time it feels like a game made by people who wanted to make a movie.
However I do kind of appreciate what they tried to do here with the DLC having Kratos come to terms with what he did in Greece
That said I think the best characterization of Kratos comes from the original series, more accurately the 2 PSP games and Ascension as those are the closest we come to seeing Kratos the human before Kratos the god. And how the attempts of the gods to make Kratos less human to better fit his role ended up turning him into the monster that brought about the destruction of the Greek pantheon
the god of war franchise was never on the verge of death
i like Tyr but in ragnarok story he was out and not invout at all
but they fix him here and I really love it
I didnt know.
This man its capable of acknowledge his mistakes and Say I was wrong.
Just like kratos.