Its really nice to hear how the entire conversation was down to the basics! Keeping it simple and iterating constantly was something that could be taken away.
Incredible conversation! Kunal Shah and Shreyas Doshi really hit the nail on the head when it comes to managing a product. Their discussion on second-order thinking, the balance between natural talent and hard work, elevating quality and the traits of a good product thinker was truly insightful. Thank you for sharing this video, it has left me with so much food for thought.
truth bombs ☺️ 11:27 if it feels good it's not good for you 22:04 natural talent 26:17 alpha doesn't come from common knowledge 29:29 compunding nature of knowledge 40:10 resumes as prisons 44:15 curiosity, performance arts, strategy games, brain processing power, shamelessness 52:30 liabilities to non liabilities 53:40 embrace your learning style 55:55 love for the craft 56:36 thinking about your craft in free time 57:38 learning machines 1:01:35 want son to identify his calling by pursuing joy 1:10:11 employee having a founder mindset 1:12:19 difference between happy and happier
Points: you don't have to be worldclass. Being good at something would also do the job. Being great would put you in the top 5%. So hardwork & passion works 👍
Unfortunately I haven't got a chance to be around skillful people, There is no regret, I am watching this super episodes from #Cred curious. Thanks Kunal !!
Wow, that's truly an astonishing and captivating conversation! I'm deeply moved and it has sparked new thoughts and questions. Especially about the power of things that are beyond explanation. Kudos to the entire team at Cred!
47:10 You find more people in india who are yes-men, they need instructions to work. I saw many threads on reddit where people when asked to comment about indian employees, many complained about the same thing. They do whatever the boss says diligently without questioning even if there was a mistake. They continue doing the things without taking the initiative and correcting the mistake. Hence I think we need more people who manage employees hence more product managers.
Kunal please start a manufacturing company that manufactures say solar cells , with a value creation of 1 billion dollars instead of companies with a valuation of 1 billion dollars. Then I'm gonna respect you
There’s a little bit of power flex/ struggle that I notice in this conversation. The body language of both is set up to show how I’m the more powerful one on the stage.. 😂
Hey Kunal can you talk more about instinct navigation? The topic that you mentioned in traits section, like how does one convince that you have this gravelling instinct and it should be executed upon, or best yet how to sell yourself as a person who has a great instinct, because 1. How can you prove that? 2. Why should someone take that risk with you ( lets say as an employee or as a job interviewer )
That was a really average conversation tbh. The analogy of measuring a product KPI vs measuring how you are as a partner has so many logical fallacies. You SHOULD measure everything in the product world where the data is ‘available’ , the decision can be data informed or data driven, but it always has to be coupled with domain knowledge and intuition. Data guides your decisions, doesn’t override it.
Dear editors. Your intro / outro music volume is much more than the main audio. users on earphones or headphones tune up the volume to max for vocals and the loud music all of a sudden just hurts.
- as always kunal sir you are awesome, i know you don't read comments but admiring you, I do for myself that if something good do's in India, then it feel's my reasponsibilty to prasie them, don't know why but I do - and 2nd thing i would like to see Vala Afsar on one of these chairs - just curious to know him
Am I the only one who felt there is just too much awkwardness in the whole Convo? I like the way Kunal asks, seeing Shreyas coming up with a counter and his slow approach of answering questions nobody asked is bit of weird.
Hey!! You guys are doing great work. Can a college student someone like me attend CRED curious podcast live ? If yes, what's the process of registering it??
Is it just me or everyone can exactly relates to sheryash about the thoughts he exactly has....I mean thats how I feel and trying to make it as the most lazy ass guy to make it in life with day trading because I need money to hire good people
This is to update to all people using cred, to stop using the same app. Its a scam. It talks about been a credit card payment portal. We had an instance where we paid credit card amount through cred and it didn’t get credited to the credit card and the money is lost. Cred is not taking any responsibility for it and it was a big cc bill which cred just ate up.
@shreyas Doshi, at one point you mentioned that one should contentiously look out for the craft, and should be working on that if they want to achieve it and on the other hand you said the hardwork isn't going to help you. Can you shed some more light, how is it possible? I mean a person can't work on his craft without hardwork. My definition of hardwork is to put in more efforts than the usual one.
to the person who is editing, please adjust the volume of music and the individual's music to the same level. i got an ear pain when entering and exiting the video
- no, it all basic - the world around you look like complex but it actually simple - you should work for the sake of joy, becomes curioser and curiosser day by day whatever you are doing........ - life your life by exploring every opportunity you have to explore,.just simple
Can anyone from you help me please I'm stuck at a minor problem in my life Actually I'm feeling bored and unproductive at my 1st year of college, I don't have any interest in college, or studies so feeling kind of depressed from few months (DU,Bcom)
@@hariprasadd4523 they always share the form on linked in for external audiences just follow on linked in or have a few folks from CRED in your linkedin network easy
I don't agree with the luck or natural gift or working hard as factors to be a great PM - i believe its level of awareness, the kind of people you're exposed to and the level of involvement in what you do. Interesting takeways: - think about your self differentiator when you climb higher in ur career - Convert your liabilities to non liabilities - Identify your learning style - be it reading or applying in real life - Look answers for yourself and not for others Am curious on the healthy PM ratio - possible to get insights on how different 1:3 PMs vs 1:8 PMs? + and - side of each ratio? why this difference exists in the 1st place?
kunal your videos right now might have low viewership but gradually people are going to have a shift in a decade ..when social media would be an outdated concept ...right now its new hence no one is realising how bad it is for our lives...
10:00 This fucking thing happens to me daily on WhatsApp... Such a suckeed up human being I fuckin am... Though I hate this irrational madness deep down I still can't avoid it
Totally useless conversations and Kunal generally doesn't take negative feedback, so happy get blocked here. But its useless for any startup founder. going by whims is not a scientific way to build products.
There's no scientific way in start-up from 0 to 1 phase once you have fingering out product market fit. Then u have get scientific way to how to scale build system and process and scale 1 to 10 and 10 to 100. 0 to 1 is art.
@@sompurashvetayogesh8947 I don't think it is unscientific. 0 to 1 can/must be taken scientifically by creating experiments and checking hypotheses to help in building better product to the choosen market. It is based on customer needs sometimes apparent & sometimes not. Surely shooting in the dark is unscientific.
If some founder , say nithin speaks against raising VC money , Kunal comes to defend it, coz he's self obsessed, instead of respecting the views of the other person
Amazon became Amazon because they measure everything and take data based decisions across the entire organisation, not sure what these blokes are talking about 😅
Its really nice to hear how the entire conversation was down to the basics! Keeping it simple and iterating constantly was something that could be taken away.
The problem is if say things what Shreyas has just spoken in PM interviews, you'll not be selected 90% of the times.
Incredible conversation! Kunal Shah and Shreyas Doshi really hit the nail on the head when it comes to managing a product. Their discussion on second-order thinking, the balance between natural talent and hard work, elevating quality and the traits of a good product thinker was truly insightful. Thank you for sharing this video, it has left me with so much food for thought.
Dazzling everyone with simplifying complex concept - way to go Kunal. ❤
truth bombs ☺️
11:27 if it feels good it's not good for you
22:04 natural talent
26:17 alpha doesn't come from common knowledge
29:29 compunding nature of knowledge
40:10 resumes as prisons
44:15 curiosity, performance arts, strategy games, brain processing power, shamelessness
52:30 liabilities to non liabilities
53:40 embrace your learning style
55:55 love for the craft
56:36 thinking about your craft in free time
57:38 learning machines
1:01:35 want son to identify his calling by pursuing joy
1:10:11 employee having a founder mindset
1:12:19 difference between happy and happier
Great conversation .Loved the mindset Shreyas Doshi caries . So many lessons.
feels so good when peeps talk on the same or above the bandwidth of how you think.
Points: you don't have to be worldclass. Being good at something would also do the job. Being great would put you in the top 5%. So hardwork & passion works 👍
Also don't chase for happier if you are happy
what products Shreyas launched during his career ? not questioning, trying to find out. anyone has any idea ?
Love too see Mahendra Singh dhoni on cred curious .....
Unfortunately I haven't got a chance to be around skillful people, There is no regret, I am watching this super episodes from #Cred curious. Thanks Kunal !!
This is the exact video I was looking for. Very high quality discussion. Thanks a lot.
Wow, that's truly an astonishing and captivating conversation! I'm deeply moved and it has sparked new thoughts and questions. Especially about the power of things that are beyond explanation. Kudos to the entire team at Cred!
This is must for product managers
47:10
You find more people in india who are yes-men, they need instructions to work. I saw many threads on reddit where people when asked to comment about indian employees, many complained about the same thing. They do whatever the boss says diligently without questioning even if there was a mistake. They continue doing the things without taking the initiative and correcting the mistake.
Hence I think we need more people who manage employees hence more product managers.
Kunal please start a manufacturing company that manufactures say solar cells , with a value creation of 1 billion dollars instead of companies with a valuation of 1 billion dollars. Then I'm gonna respect you
He doesn't need your respect.
Firstly do something then advice
@@Anishk21 not doing anything is still better than burning VC money, on a worthless company that was bought for leesser than sold.
@@vaishakh3 XD
@@vaishakh3 cope xD
There’s a little bit of power flex/ struggle that I notice in this conversation. The body language of both is set up to show how I’m the more powerful one on the stage..
😂
Hey Kunal can you talk more about instinct navigation? The topic that you mentioned in traits section, like how does one convince that you have this gravelling instinct and it should be executed upon, or best yet how to sell yourself as a person who has a great instinct, because 1. How can you prove that? 2. Why should someone take that risk with you ( lets say as an employee or as a job interviewer )
I loved the analogy of RRR with A/B testing.. Kunal was in super form !
That was a really average conversation tbh. The analogy of measuring a product KPI vs measuring how you are as a partner has so many logical fallacies. You SHOULD measure everything in the product world where the data is ‘available’ , the decision can be data informed or data driven, but it always has to be coupled with domain knowledge and intuition. Data guides your decisions, doesn’t override it.
Dear editors. Your intro / outro music volume is much more than the main audio. users on earphones or headphones tune up the volume to max for vocals and the loud music all of a sudden just hurts.
Anyone who made any notes of key points please share it!
- as always kunal sir you are awesome, i know you don't read comments but admiring you, I do for myself that if something good do's in India, then it feel's my reasponsibilty to prasie them, don't know why but I do
- and 2nd thing i would like to see Vala Afsar on one of these chairs
- just curious to know him
Am I the only one who felt there is just too much awkwardness in the whole Convo? I like the way Kunal asks, seeing Shreyas coming up with a counter and his slow approach of answering questions nobody asked is bit of weird.
Paras chopra is in audience, bring him next time for a talk
Hey!! You guys are doing great work. Can a college student someone like me attend CRED curious podcast live ? If yes, what's the process of registering it??
I want to attend these, in person, very badly @cred !!
I literally live 200m away from CRED office in Indiranagar 😐
Is it just me or everyone can exactly relates to sheryash about the thoughts he exactly has....I mean thats how I feel and trying to make it as the most lazy ass guy to make it in life with day trading because I need money to hire good people
Akshat Shrivastava ji nazar nahi aa rahe comment section me.
1:09:00 I can relate so much. I am used to thinking the same way.
Loved it! Keep them coming.
IMO, Second order thinking comes well to those who care a lot about consequences.
This is to update to all people using cred, to stop using the same app. Its a scam. It talks about been a credit card payment portal. We had an instance where we paid credit card amount through cred and it didn’t get credited to the credit card and the money is lost. Cred is not taking any responsibility for it and it was a big cc bill which cred just ate up.
57:04 (pre-context)
57:37 Truth bomb about work-life balance
Aren't those chairs wierd?
They are..
Same like the CRED app. Visually stunning, practically foolish & gimmicky.
@@vigneshmoorthy6047 Kunal Shah seemed pretty comfortable in that. Eg 1:07:02
@@vigneshmoorthy6047 i think you are not his target customer.
Pushing the algorithm ❤️
Dude, how do I attend these sessions in person?!
Reminded me of the book "BLINK" by Malcolm Gladwell
@shreyas Doshi, at one point you mentioned that one should contentiously look out for the craft, and should be working on that if they want to achieve it and on the other hand you said the hardwork isn't going to help you. Can you shed some more light, how is it possible? I mean a person can't work on his craft without hardwork. My definition of hardwork is to put in more efforts than the usual one.
How can we attend this session ?
to the person who is editing, please adjust the volume of music and the individual's music to the same level. i got an ear pain when entering and exiting the video
Where this is happening?? I want to attend
This is Pure Gold 🪙
How to attend these events?
What we have to do, to be a part of this interview
What stupid conversation, if Shreyas has so great natural talent, he might as well start a company and build the next Facebook!
Kunal Lord 🛐
Why??
He is an excellent Entrepreneur
That's it
That is the thing ye bhadwe bhagwan bana lete hai, bhai cred ko profitable hone de fir bana lena bhagwan xd
@@Md_sadiq_Md 100% Agreed
@@kyachannelhey5895 bcoz he gave us so many insights about how the world works
how to attend cred curious?
Ye talk thodi high level wali thi…….. anyone else also felt same ?
- no, it all basic
- the world around you look like complex but it actually simple
- you should work for the sake of joy, becomes curioser and curiosser day by day whatever you are doing........
- life your life by exploring every opportunity you have to explore,.just simple
By high level I meant it was deep.
Can anyone from you help me please I'm stuck at a minor problem in my life
Actually I'm feeling bored and unproductive at my 1st year of college, I don't have any interest in college, or studies so feeling kind of depressed from few months (DU,Bcom)
What it takes to be there listening live
Anybody have an update
@@hariprasadd4523 they always share the form on linked in for external audiences just follow on linked in or have a few folks from CRED in your linkedin network easy
Kunal Shah should come to shark tank( at least in third season) he will prove to be more interesting than doglapan
Always insightful ❤️✌️
I don't agree with the luck or natural gift or working hard as factors to be a great PM - i believe its level of awareness, the kind of people you're exposed to and the level of involvement in what you do.
Interesting takeways:
- think about your self differentiator when you climb higher in ur career
- Convert your liabilities to non liabilities
- Identify your learning style - be it reading or applying in real life
- Look answers for yourself and not for others
Am curious on the healthy PM ratio - possible to get insights on how different 1:3 PMs vs 1:8 PMs? + and - side of each ratio? why this difference exists in the 1st place?
please bring Anand Gandhi back
Shreyas is cringy and so difficult to listen to. Kunal is brilliant as usual :)
It always learning episode. kunal shah you are great brings us knowledge thanks all you doo for usss
kunal your videos right now might have low viewership but gradually people are going to have a shift in a decade ..when social media would be an outdated concept
...right now its new hence no one is realising how bad it is for our lives...
so what was meant to say, if its born talent should i stop trying new things that iam interested in but maybe they dont align with my intelligence ?
InCREDulous
Kunal brother 👑
Why is he so angry? 😂 Classic dad material for Russell Peters - 53:45 😊
"Grit"
16:06 is he paras chopra?
Shreya is often in the apple pie position
Gold Stuff
Who is he?
can we please wear shoes?
Sir please make a video in Hindi 🙏
What is pm…..?
10:00 This fucking thing happens to me daily on WhatsApp... Such a suckeed up human being I fuckin am... Though I hate this irrational madness deep down I still can't avoid it
Which world cup is he talking about?
may be foodball
Why should Elon solve recurring transaction? lol - Founder of CRED , Kya yaar? @01:13:00
Only fore CRED users
Super boring speaker
2x is your friend
Totally useless conversations and Kunal generally doesn't take negative feedback, so happy get blocked here. But its useless for any startup founder. going by whims is not a scientific way to build products.
There's no scientific way in start-up from 0 to 1 phase once you have fingering out product market fit. Then u have get scientific way to how to scale build system and process and scale 1 to 10 and 10 to 100. 0 to 1 is art.
@@sompurashvetayogesh8947 I don't think it is unscientific. 0 to 1 can/must be taken scientifically by creating experiments and checking hypotheses to help in building better product to the choosen market. It is based on customer needs sometimes apparent & sometimes not. Surely shooting in the dark is unscientific.
If some founder , say nithin speaks against raising VC money , Kunal comes to defend it, coz he's self obsessed, instead of respecting the views of the other person
True
Extremely boring. One of the worst CRED curious.
Video no.81
Kunal sir I request you to go to Sandeep Maheshwari Show. We will get a lot of learnings from your the conversation
In microwave measurements are relative and that's why we use S parameters 😂
Amazon became Amazon because they measure everything and take data based decisions across the entire organisation, not sure what these blokes are talking about 😅
32:30
Kunal chappal pahenta hai
Call mc stan to your podcast bro