certainly, and they really can't- they have a small team and a complex game they're creating. I think they are aware of how important it is to build a solid foundation and make a good first impression
The expectations need to be kept super low. I say it'll be an okay game that will grow on people and improve with time. It won't be a TS2 level revelation, but a framework with much potential. I'd expect something closer to a finished product in 2026.
Oh no, I don't think we'll ever get a finished product. I believe it's gonna be one of those games that stays beta forever. It might be playable by 2027-2028 though.
I have faith the people they trust to play test the game will be honest. They're looking for bugs and glitches not saying the clothes are ugly. I believe they want the game to be as good as possible too
I am concerned about Paralives sustaining financially, but I think the first thing we have to think about is the goal of Paralives is ‘updates’ to the game not inflated DLC packs to justify a price point. Which other games have sustained themselves with by simply charging for the game instead of being ‘free’ bait to sell overpriced packs. Also, if they make a good game they can make OTHER games…maybe smaller ones still in the simulation genra, I know its retro but people use to make a game, sell it, then make OTHER games and sell those. I do see this as an option a few years down the line for Paralives studio, not within months of launch.
Iirc, DLCs are necessary for companies that are in the stock market. Or for privately owned companies trying to make the most money. If it's just Alex and his employees, selling only a base game might be enough.
I am not all that concerned. Just look at Stardew Valley, another open-ended role-playing game with a lot of free game enhancing patches, almost nine years old and still going strong. If Paralives manages to reach that level of quality (and I believe it will), its developers have nothing to worry about.
I don't think you can compare the 2. Stardew Valley is made by only 1 guy who gets all the earnings, Paralives is a team and you have to pay people salaries
stardew is a success story. statistically, very few are, but there def are successes. paralives is a bigger project but also with a bigger team, so what Id like to do is look around and see if there are examples that are comparable- course nothing will be perfect because it's a full life sim vs a niche life sim. I think onward of the top concerns will be making enough for all on the team. I do hope they can- and am not, of course, saying that they can't. They do as of now command a substantial fan base
@@SimmerErin A lot of indie games, Paralives included, started as one man projects - after all, The Sims were a one man project that nobody believed in at the beginning (and finally developed into one corporation project that nobody believes in anymore). Some projects remained solo, others acquired collaborators (Paralives again, or Manor Lords), still others were started by a small group that remained small (Workers & Resources, Foundation); and even the ones that were not a spectacular success have a loyal fan base (Saelig, for example). No worries.
No matter what they are going to be successful. Free doesn’t mean automatic failure. There are a lot of people that want life simulation games. The minute that Paralives drops all hell is gonna break loose in terms of marketing, sim influencers, livestreamers , and casual gamers all coming together to embrace this new game and all the dlc that comes with it. Truth be told it may be a bit bleh in the beginning and have some bugs and missing features but that’s okay. :)
I certainly hope they are! but statistically, I wouldn't say no matter what for any game. I think they have, of course, done a lot well to get them to where they are today; especially with Indies, it takes a lot of work and thoughtful production
There are lots of ways to keep a Patreon clientele engaged. I am not worried about this team getting enough to eat if they are not asking me to worry about that
i personally trust the team's judgement as they have not given us any reasons to doubt them. if they think they'll be fine then i'll believe that too unless given a reason not to. as said many times this has worked for other games so why not now? and i personally wouldn't mind backing their patreon for longer either, i've been a patron for years and loved it the entire time if they decided to just keep it running as is with development updates etc i'd also continue my subscription i'm also not worried about the playtests, they did the same style play tests for the build mode already and that seemed to have went fine and for any more fine tuning we have the early access, that's kinda what that's for. if anything is buggy players will let them know and they'll fix it. we all know that that's what early access will be like, with bugs and little problems that will be worked on as we go. i think as long as everyone remembers that a game in early access is NOT finished it'll be fine, the sims 4 base game (the finished one) kinda sucked on release, it was missing sooo many features. to expect what games like the sims 4 offered after several years and in several paid dlcs, in paralives for early access is ridiculous. some people need a bit of a reality check imo
Stardew valley launched in 2016 and as of Feb. 2024 has sold 30 million copies with an estimated revenue of $450 million. Even factoring for cost of production, it's assumed that ConcernedApe has made around $45 mil in profit so that's an average of $5.5 mil per year. Considering that Paralives will most likely draw the same players that make up Stardew's player base, I think it's safe to say that having no paid DLC is not going to be a problem. It may take a year or two to really get the ball rolling, but if they've planned ahead it won't be an issue. Ideally, they shouldn't launch until they can pay for all of their employees for 2-3 years without any game profits, same as when starting a small business.
I'm also not worried about Inzoi. It'll draw some people, but the AI use has turned a lot of people off plus the art style and play style is so different that Inzoi and Paralives will barely compete.
I can't help but think of one of my favorite indie games, Ship of Heroes, which recently announced that they would release the game next year. The problem is that they have announced this for five years already. This is not vaporware, I have been one of their testers for several years, as have some well-known gaming websites. But they keep coming up with new features, while some of the basics like animations are still only almost-ready. Unlike Paradox Tectonics, the indie team does not have a corporate financier who can say "Enough is enough". And so they have been almost ready to release for all this time. The technical name for this is "feature creep" and it is not limited to games. When I was a business software developer in the 1980es, this was already a thing.
That is a big problem in the gaming industry, whether it's indie or big budget AAA games. Announcing a release before it's anywhere near ready for release. This is part of what managers and producers are supposed to do (or prevent) and a perfect example of it is the infamous Star Citizen.
@@Elwaves2925yeah but like it’s so different. if a AAA game doesn’t reveal itself until the last year of development, the game still gets made and the devs, artists, musicians etc. still get paid. if an indie project doesn’t get revealed, no one knows about it and it doesn’t get made. when games rely on community funding like this, the earlier they’re revealed, the better
@@cryingwatercolours Oh absolutely, there are definitely differences but you're completely missing the point. You're at the wrong end things. It's not about revealing the game exists to get funding, it's about when the game has been revealed for awhile, is funded and in development, then stating a release date before the game is ready. In that respect the problem exists for both indie and AAA. 🙂
@@SimmerErin The project is pretty ambitious so I don't think it's not coming out any time soon at all but I'd still love a build mode demo, would definitely pay money for it I was very skeptical at first but the game kind of grew on me
Paralives is basically being made by like 3 people and is being financially supported with, essentially, good will. I think the best thing they can do is build a strong base to the game by not getting too complicated. One of the main benefits of making all future expansions non-paid is that, when they build new features, they can integrate it more cohesively with the codebase, but that will only benefit them if the codebase is solid. I'm excited for Paralives and I'm glad to see they're not falling for all the calls for them to expand their scope massively
we are up to a dozen about now, though it did of course start as a solo project. of course, this is still a very small team! I agree building. strong base will be./ is the very most important
If there's something that I have learned from other games is that as a gamer it is better to be patient. Rushed games or DLC/updates can end up terrible. (The Sims franchise, apart from other games has already proven that). It's especially important to be patient with smaller teams. God knows how many complains I've seen people making on Twitter to CA for Stardew Valley updates, for example, and I'm just like, Jeezus....give that man a break (or his team, cause if I'm not mistaken he's not working alone anymore).
This is just an idea I have, but they could something like kits, where all new gameplay is free. But then you can buy kits with re-skin. That no gameplay is locked. and its just costumasation stuff.
@@tramnguyen0000 So you rather the game be abandon quick because they run out of money? the creators of paralives are not a greedy giant gaming company, they are a small indie one. they need money to keep continue developing it. Its a really nice they have promise not to have an paid for DLC I just dont see it as viable to keep developing the game after release. The money the game earn on release may keep them able to continue for a couple of years but not forever.
I would like you to look into Game Dev Tycoon. They survived that's the short version. And still use patron. And maybe Alex can make another game after Paralives is finished. Some game dev companies just use patron.
Let us just give hands and keep wishing this team the best until release! I don't do Patreon (because I am compulsive and forgetful) but they have my cash when the game comes out.
A lot of games are able to sustain themselves with just the money they earn through sales. Indie games, even indie games with a small team like Paralives, don't have the same expenses as AAA companies do. A lot of the money AAA companies need is for their executives, senior producers, marketing staff, etc. This is not something indie games have to worry about. I still feel like they could develop classic EXPANSION PACKS (like The Sims 1-3) with a ton of content and sell them for like $20. There's nothing wrong with that. I think people won't mind it, as long as they don't go overboard like The Sims 4 with its 80 pieces of DLC so far.
see, that's what I'd go for, I actually think I'd enjoy that because I find some excitement in larger (not super frequent_ packs- but of course, want them to do what suits them best
Damn, you changed the title. I was looking forward to making some lunch jokes. 😄 Some of those questions, particularly the first one is impossible to answer until the game has been out. If it doesn't sell, Patreon will still be important but it could also be a huge success. I'm not worried about the concerns/comparisons to Inzoi and especially LBY. They are in a very different place than LBY ever was. Their answers are very acceptable to me and they can't add everything upfront, but without early access they need to make what they do release feel like a 'complete' game with room to grow.
yeah... I was super distracted today and had to change that rather quickly ha for sure, we can't say for sure if it will or won't be a successful model; and many answers that are no direct on because they simply cannot be
Oooh I love the idea that townies will pick from pre-made outfits! I hope we as players will be able to create and/or edit those outfits! Glad about the rabbit hole careers, I prefer them :-) And I am glad that they set realistic limits for what they will be able to do and what they plan to do. The only thing I remain concerned about is the 100% free DLC, I fear they won't be able to support the game for as long as they might be able to with paid DLC.
I don't have doubts for Paralives to have a way to sustain themselves, at least for one year or two. But I definitely agree with the fact it's a "wait and see" situation. Some people have said "Stardew Valley is fine!" But Stardew Valley doesn't have a team of thirteen people and is a farming game which doesn't really need more updates. Meanwhile, a life simulation game could probably always get more updates to simulate any type of life. So I believe Paralives will be okay as long as its player base accept that it will be a limited experience. For now the Paralives team has expressed what their limits are and that's why I like their work and communication. For me it makes complete sense that they put forward other games because I do believe the team members play multiple games. I'm worried though that the sims community and the fraction of it that will go to Paralives is mainly made of "one game player" - the sims - and their expectations will be too high. Thus in my opinion the first impression by Paralives is kind of doomed to be bad for the majority of the sims community but still considered a great game by its current supporters that follow the development and essentially more knowledgeable people in video games. The best counter attack Paralives can do to this first impression is what they already do great: communication and transparence. I hope it will be enough in the long run but my expectations for the game are low in general and I think it's key for people that will play the game to not disappoint themselves (and not because it's a bad game, just because it can't realistically do everything).
Weather friends can provide good feedback or will be biased is heavily dependent on how the playtest is conducted. "Hey, here's the game, let us know what you think" is going to be even weaker with friends than it is with randos (unless those friends are also game devs or are otherwise used to giving feedback), while "Hey, come over, play this game while we film you and screen record the gameplay" is going to get a lot better feedback with friends or strangers than (outside of finding niche bugs and interactions) since they'll then get a bunch of footage of what the pain points that the people playing might not even notice are, and also see real time the ways people are gravitating to playing the game (and that's not really something you can get public playtest feedback on that easily. They have a Massive Public Playtest coming up - Early Access - so them doing a closed family and friends playtest prior to it doesn't concern me too much. I said it closer to the Only Free Expansions announcement, but if they're unable to fund the studio based on base sales of Paralives, given the amount they're funding their studio from from Patreon, I'm not sure they'd have the sales figures for paid DLC to really help much. While we've been asked not to speculate about price so I'm not going to state the results when I've done this, I think it's informative to plug in some possible prices, sales numbers, and factor in steam's cut (and possibly other expenses - I recently heard 30% for the amount of money that eventually gets to the studio but that was accounting for taxes and other things already being taken out of their patreon money; steam's cut is 30% atm) and then compare that to how much they're getting on patreon at the moment just to get a ballpark of how many months of development various scenarios would give the studio.
i actually agree with you with regards to the expansions being free. honestly, i wish they weren't. out of all the dev teams i would want to buy expansions from, the paralives team is the one i want to give my money to the most. of course the patreon is there, but patreon isn't my style. i want to give them the sales they deserve
i suppose in the long run, it’s a good thing. the more successful indie projects without cashgrabby monetisation tactics become successful, the harder it will be for AAA companies to keep their player base loyal. at least, i hope- i hope that when indie games succeed, with developers that care for their audience’s wellbeing as well as their own, bigger companies will follow suit if even indie games could get away with say the DLC of the sims, idk where we’d be
City of hero's is a game based completely off patreon donations. It's still thriving years after they were able to get official authority to develop it.
I don't think they'll be releasing a broken, unfinished game because I know they listen very carefully to the players and try to make the best game possible.
I actually do suspect most Patreon supporters see it as something they are doing to get the game to release, and thus most likely will stop -- though I'm just one guy guessing wildly based on my own assumption about Patreon for this kind of project. I already had to stop all Patreon support for anything due to financial hardship. Since they are self-publishing (thus not having to split with a publisher), they should be OK if a reasonable portion of Sims fans get their game -- though if not I could see it becoming a problem.
idk i’m doing it to help the game release but also just to support their devs on their project. i adore the updates we get, and i’m one of those who would happily continue to pledge just for more early sneak peek content and to further support the team and NOT money hungry AAA companies
As a Patreon supporter, I can tell you my intention was to support it only until full release. I have upped my support from $3 to $5 a few months. After it is released, I’m gonna buy the game. I’m not independently wealthy and I have to consider where my resources go. My hope is that the game will release well and sales will be so good that people buy it and keep playing it. Hopefully future updates will bring in more players to buy the game.
I'm really not worried about their finances. There's a lot of hype for this game, people WILL buy it as soon as EA is released. They are already a success story right now as it is. I doubt they'll all become multi-millionaires and buy a huge studio or something but they'll live comfortably off this game even if the Patreon drops off, which I also doubt it will. A lot of people continue to support Patreons after content is released simply because they like the team, but additionally with their plan to continue updating the game people will want to continue to get news about updates. Lots of indie games with way less eyes on them do perfectly fine financially.
I put far more faith in the group at Paralives that I have supported since its inception (and received WEEKLY updates from each and EVERY week) than I will ever put in someone like EA and the Sims team again. I can't even look at the Sims without thinking of all of the money I have given them over the years while they do NOTHING to fix even the smallest of problems in the nightmare mess of a game that they now have. The team at Paralives has shown they want to work with their players to make this the best game possible for the PLAYERS and, while it may not be fully completed when launched, it will be maintained and added to until they give their customers what they want. That is more than the Sims has done for their loyal fanbase in YEARS.
Talking about ugly NPC/townie fashion the sims 4 has exactly that type of mod where townies will choose outfits from a list of pre-made fashion. I'm so glad paralives is going to do that as official part of the game. Only with mods we can make npc look good in s4 and even then their fashion will be okay but they will look awful in other ways such as terrible hair, eye, skin combos.
I think it's natural to "compare games." I worry more about people having unrealistic expectations because of what they *hope* the game will be. For instance, I suspect that one of the reasons that Life By You didn't make it is because it tried to hard to be "The Sims but more what the players want" that they "bit off far more than they could chew." I feel that Paralives has been better about reigning in expectation. And as you say, InZoi and Paralives are very different games. They will probably both have people who love them (and will play both!) For me, I'm going to stick with TS4 (although I've been playing TS3 lately. It always makes me appreciate TS4 more, even if I can't have the extensive "World Adventures" that I love in TS3 in TS4.)
yes, it is natural to compare. I think how the comparisons are handled is where the nuance lies. for instance, I do sometimes feel at least at first Paralives by some was expected to do many things that would be challenging pace and budget wise vs aaa level.
@@SimmerErin Unfortunately, it feels like many Sims players want the newer games to be "TS4 but perfect" which isn't going to happen. As I said, I think that was the downfall of LBY. I'm glad that the Paralives folks are not falling into that trap but trying to be the best at what they know they can do. I hope that people will realize why that nuance is so important! I don't know if I'll get Paralives (and I know I won't get InZoi) but I definitely wish them well. It's good to have multiple similar games out there to cater to the "subgenre" preferred by different groups. After all, there are several of the cozy games that I notice people play several of (like Ooblets, Dinkum, Coral Island, Disney Dreamlight Valley, Stardew Valley, Taonga, and the like.)
oh no paralives will not launch perfectly, but what open-live-service game didn't. minecraft during its early access (pre 1.0) was pretty barebones, and stardew valley was a mess. it will get updates and over time it will become a solid game, im sure.
I can go either way with active careers really depends how open and free the game play is. If done right like in Sims 2 active careers are amazing and I'd love to have them if done like Sims 4 with limitations like you can only play a single sim as a manager of restaurant with npcs then I don't really want development time wasted on careers.
i do hope that they are at least setting the ground work for story progression in the code so that its made to work. im just a bit wary of a huge system like that being added later (sims 4 ruined that). i know sims is a messy foundation to begin with, so maybe im overthinking the ability of game devs to introduce huge systems like that to a hopefully stable game.
I'm an "I'll believe it when I see it out" player. Until we're actually able to watch youtubers playing it who aren't backers or sponsored by them, I'm suspicious of huge ambitious kickstarter games like these.
sometimes there’s a free trial. when you see the amount of content that’s slowly built up over the years as they added to the team… it’s eye opening idk
10:31 that kinda sucks :’) not that i was expecting like whole era’s shown in the game, but maybe a couple old items here and there. maybe there will be enough customisation to sort of fake it? else i may have to learn 3d modelling or go back to recolouring other ppl’s cc for my needs… i need my victorian simulation fix!
I agree I'd like some older items eventually- I will say the q is about items with gameplay for early access so it's not ruled out however, I just in general would love a new full life sim based in an era that isn't the general 'medieval', more a specific period would be cool, 1900's to 1950's idk
I have Hope for the gamexs release. I dont want them to rush it. I want for them to take their time and not rush like EA rushed the sims 4 team. If i need to donate money to paralives i will cus i believe in them and really want them to succeed. Inzoi to me, isnt the sims nor paralives. I feel like paralives is more like the sims as far as buildmode and Cas(CAP) mode. I want both Inzoi and Paralives.... they both will replace Sims 4 for me. ❤
Well we don't know the detail about how DLC would be free or any of that, they could have perfectly successful model some other patreon games uses where if you pay one time purchase of game on steam, yes then you get all new content free but you get with delayed period compared to patreon supporters. So essentially because many want the new cool stuff they still support development with patreon money. So until anyone know more specifics about their business models I think its too soon to assume anything or for that matter they have not already considered many of those things themselves. So essentially if they use something like that people who patreon get to try the fresh beta version while it get content and patch update plus hotfixes, then delayed free version would be more tested and little more stable version. Its not like people always abandon supporting developers once game been shipped like makers of Snakes above still got patreon support even when they launched finish game and started their new project they're working on now.
I don't really care about Inzoi. I like my life-sims cartoony type, not photo-realistic. If I get early-access, I'll probably be mostly interested in the building & landscaping.
DLC should be paid for fantastical dlc. Like vampires zombies etc. As not everyone would want that so it wouldn't be logical for it to be an update. We can also include in the paid dlcs for space theme, etc.
at one point I thought they did say they were considering a supernatural dlc for the future, made it sound like they might do free updates for most core content and things like that as dlc,
I actually hope they'll keep their Patreon page. Even tho I'm not subscribed right now, I'll make sure I will once I get a job (I'm a high school student and I'll have to work in summer break to graduate)
my best wishes to you with working towards graduation/ summer job. Great you are thinking about it! I like that they have several levels of support , too
I thino i would be fine with paid dlc esp because this is an indie game. I understand their morals on this but i worry about sustainability. Im hoping for the best as paralives looks so good and ihope they are focusing on building those complex core stystems
I'm concerned about what the lack of story progression will mean for the gameplay experience. If I want to play for multiple generations with the same family will the rest of the town simply die out?
yes, as imperfect as dlc models are, I almost always prefer them to other models; now, paralives hasn't given any indication they would use a store/ microtransactions. seems they hope sales of the base and pattern will support them
They should 100% make people pay for DLC but if they do they should make the DLC worth paying for, I get there trying to satisfy everyone and not milk people like EA but they are small dev team and worked hard and deserve it
Both games seem good so far as I CAN SEE. I really am looking MORE forward to InZoi though. I LIKE where it's going so so far. Para lives seems intersting as well. I just think InZoi is going to HAVE So much MORE going on it. Such as the fair or amusement park where the beach is. I still think it's pretty cool that the zoi CAN RIDE most of the rides. The even HAVE roller coasters that the zoi CAN Actually RIDE. Plus the cars that showed Windows going up and down. I really thought that wax awsome. NOY even Sims 4 HAS Cars or vars thst CAN Have windows going up and down like they showed in INZOI. I JUST CAN'T WAIT FOR inzoi to come out. But I MAY TRY Paralives too at some point WHEN it come out. We'll see. :) Thank for posting and HOPE you have a NIce Chritmas holiday and A happy New year too. Also O am HOPEIN that the New year of 2025 will be Better than this soon to go year od 2024. But MAY it be a BETTER one this time around. Take care Erin. 🤩❤👍✌🎄🍾
yeah, while I have some things I wish were not rabbit holes honestly in 3, it does mostly feel balanced out because of the open world, and most rabbit holes offer something in the way of immersion. I don't see rabbit holes as inherently good or bad
This is probably a very unpopular opinion these days, but I’m actually in FAVOR of the paid dlc model. A lot of players seem to think that game devs are “generous” and “care more about their players” if they release free dlcs or extra content. but for some reason a lot of ppl seem to forget that every company that’s making a game exists to make a PROFIT, not to be besties with the fans of their games and “treat them”. And companies that release free DLCs or extras, I GUARANTEE you that they are making up that lost potential revenue in some other ways. No company will willingly swallow the cost of something or cut themselves out of potential profit when they can pass that cost onto their customers and still profit. And companies that release free DLCs are MORE likely to nickel and dime their customers in other ways in my personal experience. So if I have to pay for dlc in order to not be nickel and dimed in other areas then so be it.
I think they are taking a litttttle bit to long to realese it tbh alot of hype so people are gonna expect ALOT once realesed. Inzoi and paralives are diffrent games but... i think they should kinda realese it before inzoi comes out lol because i no once inzoi is out thats all il be playing and ive heard thousands say the same. So i can see why there bringing inzoi into it lol.. i will deffiantly play the game i just feel like there is wayyy to much hype for a very very long time now lol and its time to realese. ❤
@cryingwatercolours oh i no that! Thats why im saying i think its beimg hyped a little toooo much so i prey people wont expect too much for early access and beyond.
so inzoi produced quote quickly, and this was helped by both being a larger prominent studio and generative AI. they are also backed by investors..., paralives relies all on its fan support to even develop, so imo, it is better for them to get things right vs try to outpace a big company of course I have no idea of the timeline for inzoi.
if something does happen (hope not!) it'd be a lot differently handled, as LBY was pulled by the larger company. I don't see the exact same things happening in that way
I don't understand why they would want to make DLC for free. I don't pay a single dime for any of the sims 4 content, but I'm willing to pay for things with actual value. Making DLC requires so much work and effort, how are they gonna sustain themselves or even motivate themselves to do it when there's no reward? I would love to pay for expansions in the future to support them if the content actually does what it does, expand the game, unlike the sims 4.
I mean, being too overambitious could lead to the game not making it at all. Just like with LifeByYou. They should rather tone down the variety of items and features and add them little by little afterwards. Also, since CC will play a big role here, creators need some challenges too.
Errr the carreer rabbit holes is a big bad boom for me lol i think il just wait for inzoi. I hate rabbit holes sorry lol ive had many years of that with sims lol.
@gg69155 ofcourse they do but more is open then not! And im mainly talking carreers for me i need them to not be rabbit holes for me to enjoy the game properly. Inzoi im sorry but there is no loading screens and all carrerrs are NOT rabbot holes other cafes and shops etc also are not rabbit holes and many more to come. Im just saying paraloves sounds like its rabbit hole town lol and i had enough of that for a wile.. not saying i wont support or play the game im just saying how i feel :)
@@KarinaCermakova-c7nhuh it’s literally open world and it’s careers and schools that are rabbit hole. we saw them go into a cafe last year so it’s not like there will be no accessible community lots
i’d actually prefer just getting the traditional way of paid-dlc along the lines, if it means supporting these indie developers and keeping the game running. most important is that the base game is solid and works tho.
I don't see that happening. they have their full names and information on their web page and the money they get sustains them per month but is no fortune to live off
I find this game rudimentary by comparison to other games. It reminds me of games on commodore 64 and I think subscriptions would never appeal to me. I have no interest in this game or inzoi.
@@SimmerErin visually/graphically, it seems like a game created before the original sims and of fb games. The flow/movement seems slow and I really do not like that circle beneath the feet.
2:47 no seriously, im baffled when i see people who support paralives also support inzoi. like at face value, yeah it’s another life sim, but they’re values also oppose each other so much.
a lot of people are looking for a game and aren't persuaded one way or another by other factors ; I think what perplexes me more is that I just really don't see them in the same sub category so to speak. while both simulation games, a cozy indie game vs inzoi is just very different? I don't think one succeeding spells something for the other.
@@cryingwatercolours I would like to play both games, I don’t see why I wouldn’t. I play lots of different styles of games and whatever is well done, I’m interested in checking out.
Regardless of the details of release, we can at least appreciate that they aren't rushing it.
certainly, and they really can't- they have a small team and a complex game they're creating. I think they are aware of how important it is to build a solid foundation and make a good first impression
Yes!!!
The expectations need to be kept super low. I say it'll be an okay game that will grow on people and improve with time. It won't be a TS2 level revelation, but a framework with much potential. I'd expect something closer to a finished product in 2026.
not sure about the fully finished product but since early access is 2025, I'd say 2026 at the earliest yeah
Oh no, I don't think we'll ever get a finished product. I believe it's gonna be one of those games that stays beta forever. It might be playable by 2027-2028 though.
@@hpatdh077 no it's wiil be good
@@hpatdh077 it's will be good for me
@@hpatdh077 why do you think so?
I have faith the people they trust to play test the game will be honest. They're looking for bugs and glitches not saying the clothes are ugly. I believe they want the game to be as good as possible too
I do agree with the last statement. I don't have any doubts they want to produce a solid game
I am concerned about Paralives sustaining financially, but I think the first thing we have to think about is the goal of Paralives is ‘updates’ to the game not inflated DLC packs to justify a price point. Which other games have sustained themselves with by simply charging for the game instead of being ‘free’ bait to sell overpriced packs.
Also, if they make a good game they can make OTHER games…maybe smaller ones still in the simulation genra, I know its retro but people use to make a game, sell it, then make OTHER games and sell those. I do see this as an option a few years down the line for Paralives studio, not within months of launch.
it would be awesome if they could make more games in the future. what a dream that would be for them
Iirc, DLCs are necessary for companies that are in the stock market. Or for privately owned companies trying to make the most money. If it's just Alex and his employees, selling only a base game might be enough.
They also have a massive framework to work off of with the base of Paralives. Maybe they'd venture into making spinoffs like the sims used to do?
I am not all that concerned. Just look at Stardew Valley, another open-ended role-playing game with a lot of free game enhancing patches, almost nine years old and still going strong. If Paralives manages to reach that level of quality (and I believe it will), its developers have nothing to worry about.
I don't think you can compare the 2. Stardew Valley is made by only 1 guy who gets all the earnings, Paralives is a team and you have to pay people salaries
stardew is a success story. statistically, very few are, but there def are successes. paralives is a bigger project but also with a bigger team, so what Id like to do is look around and see if there are examples that are comparable- course nothing will be perfect because it's a full life sim vs a niche life sim. I think onward of the top concerns will be making enough for all on the team. I do hope they can- and am not, of course, saying that they can't. They do as of now command a substantial fan base
@@SimmerErin A lot of indie games, Paralives included, started as one man projects - after all, The Sims were a one man project that nobody believed in at the beginning (and finally developed into one corporation project that nobody believes in anymore). Some projects remained solo, others acquired collaborators (Paralives again, or Manor Lords), still others were started by a small group that remained small (Workers & Resources, Foundation); and even the ones that were not a spectacular success have a loyal fan base (Saelig, for example). No worries.
Stardew Valley going strong??
No matter what they are going to be successful. Free doesn’t mean automatic failure. There are a lot of people that want life simulation games. The minute that Paralives drops all hell is gonna break loose in terms of marketing, sim influencers, livestreamers , and casual gamers all coming together to embrace this new game and all the dlc that comes with it. Truth be told it may be a bit bleh in the beginning and have some bugs and missing features but that’s okay. :)
I certainly hope they are! but statistically, I wouldn't say no matter what for any game. I think they have, of course, done a lot well to get them to where they are today; especially with Indies, it takes a lot of work and thoughtful production
There are lots of ways to keep a Patreon clientele engaged. I am not worried about this team getting enough to eat if they are not asking me to worry about that
yes, they of course have many options hey could pursue should revenue or interest drop, depending on the situation
i personally trust the team's judgement as they have not given us any reasons to doubt them. if they think they'll be fine then i'll believe that too unless given a reason not to. as said many times this has worked for other games so why not now? and i personally wouldn't mind backing their patreon for longer either, i've been a patron for years and loved it the entire time if they decided to just keep it running as is with development updates etc i'd also continue my subscription
i'm also not worried about the playtests, they did the same style play tests for the build mode already and that seemed to have went fine and for any more fine tuning we have the early access, that's kinda what that's for. if anything is buggy players will let them know and they'll fix it. we all know that that's what early access will be like, with bugs and little problems that will be worked on as we go.
i think as long as everyone remembers that a game in early access is NOT finished it'll be fine, the sims 4 base game (the finished one) kinda sucked on release, it was missing sooo many features. to expect what games like the sims 4 offered after several years and in several paid dlcs, in paralives for early access is ridiculous. some people need a bit of a reality check imo
Not everyone will but I think the key is for them to just do the best they can, simple as that sounds; I suspect early access may last a fair bit too.
Stardew valley launched in 2016 and as of Feb. 2024 has sold 30 million copies with an estimated revenue of $450 million. Even factoring for cost of production, it's assumed that ConcernedApe has made around $45 mil in profit so that's an average of $5.5 mil per year. Considering that Paralives will most likely draw the same players that make up Stardew's player base, I think it's safe to say that having no paid DLC is not going to be a problem. It may take a year or two to really get the ball rolling, but if they've planned ahead it won't be an issue. Ideally, they shouldn't launch until they can pay for all of their employees for 2-3 years without any game profits, same as when starting a small business.
I'm also not worried about Inzoi. It'll draw some people, but the AI use has turned a lot of people off plus the art style and play style is so different that Inzoi and Paralives will barely compete.
I can't help but think of one of my favorite indie games, Ship of Heroes, which recently announced that they would release the game next year. The problem is that they have announced this for five years already. This is not vaporware, I have been one of their testers for several years, as have some well-known gaming websites. But they keep coming up with new features, while some of the basics like animations are still only almost-ready. Unlike Paradox Tectonics, the indie team does not have a corporate financier who can say "Enough is enough". And so they have been almost ready to release for all this time. The technical name for this is "feature creep" and it is not limited to games. When I was a business software developer in the 1980es, this was already a thing.
very well said! I think it must be all too easy to fall into that trap... I do hope that indie eventually makes it out
That is a big problem in the gaming industry, whether it's indie or big budget AAA games. Announcing a release before it's anywhere near ready for release. This is part of what managers and producers are supposed to do (or prevent) and a perfect example of it is the infamous Star Citizen.
Look for "The Mythical Man-Month" by Fred Brooks. It's a really good book even if you aren't a software developer.
@@Elwaves2925yeah but like it’s so different. if a AAA game doesn’t reveal itself until the last year of development, the game still gets made and the devs, artists, musicians etc. still get paid.
if an indie project doesn’t get revealed, no one knows about it and it doesn’t get made. when games rely on community funding like this, the earlier they’re revealed, the better
@@cryingwatercolours Oh absolutely, there are definitely differences but you're completely missing the point. You're at the wrong end things. It's not about revealing the game exists to get funding, it's about when the game has been revealed for awhile, is funded and in development, then stating a release date before the game is ready. In that respect the problem exists for both indie and AAA. 🙂
even if its launch not successful, I still kind of want paralives as a building sim, the build tools look so good
oh absolutely. the building tools alone look very promising- course I do hope it launches well as a full game too
@@SimmerErin The project is pretty ambitious so I don't think it's not coming out any time soon at all but I'd still love a build mode demo, would definitely pay money for it
I was very skeptical at first but the game kind of grew on me
Paralives is basically being made by like 3 people and is being financially supported with, essentially, good will.
I think the best thing they can do is build a strong base to the game by not getting too complicated.
One of the main benefits of making all future expansions non-paid is that, when they build new features, they can integrate it more cohesively with the codebase, but that will only benefit them if the codebase is solid.
I'm excited for Paralives and I'm glad to see they're not falling for all the calls for them to expand their scope massively
3 people is massive exaggeration they have like 12 people now
Y'all be doing this for no known reasons. There's more than 3 people doing this. Stop with the false info
we are up to a dozen about now, though it did of course start as a solo project. of course, this is still a very small team! I agree building. strong base will be./ is the very most important
If there's something that I have learned from other games is that as a gamer it is better to be patient. Rushed games or DLC/updates can end up terrible. (The Sims franchise, apart from other games has already proven that). It's especially important to be patient with smaller teams. God knows how many complains I've seen people making on Twitter to CA for Stardew Valley updates, for example, and I'm just like, Jeezus....give that man a break (or his team, cause if I'm not mistaken he's not working alone anymore).
This is just an idea I have, but they could something like kits, where all new gameplay is free. But then you can buy kits with re-skin. That no gameplay is locked. and its just costumasation stuff.
so kinda like bb and cas kits, just without the paid big packs? I think that could be ok
@@SimmerErin Yes, and it would give them an ability that sims cant, expand on things, because its not locked behind a paywall.
@@josefineandersen2165 I would be cool with that, I would also trust them not to overdo it
Nope. That's microtransactions. That goes against the entire idea of this game. The day they come out with that bs I will stop paying.
@@tramnguyen0000 So you rather the game be abandon quick because they run out of money? the creators of paralives are not a greedy giant gaming company, they are a small indie one. they need money to keep continue developing it. Its a really nice they have promise not to have an paid for DLC I just dont see it as viable to keep developing the game after release. The money the game earn on release may keep them able to continue for a couple of years but not forever.
I would like you to look into Game Dev Tycoon. They survived that's the short version. And still use patron. And maybe Alex can make another game after Paralives is finished. Some game dev companies just use patron.
sure, thanks for the suggestion!
Let us just give hands and keep wishing this team the best until release! I don't do Patreon (because I am compulsive and forgetful) but they have my cash when the game comes out.
I'm actually very excited to get my hands on this game. It has been a treat watching it come together.
I am too, very much so
A lot of games are able to sustain themselves with just the money they earn through sales. Indie games, even indie games with a small team like Paralives, don't have the same expenses as AAA companies do. A lot of the money AAA companies need is for their executives, senior producers, marketing staff, etc. This is not something indie games have to worry about. I still feel like they could develop classic EXPANSION PACKS (like The Sims 1-3) with a ton of content and sell them for like $20. There's nothing wrong with that. I think people won't mind it, as long as they don't go overboard like The Sims 4 with its 80 pieces of DLC so far.
see, that's what I'd go for, I actually think I'd enjoy that because I find some excitement in larger (not super frequent_ packs- but of course, want them to do what suits them best
Damn, you changed the title. I was looking forward to making some lunch jokes. 😄
Some of those questions, particularly the first one is impossible to answer until the game has been out. If it doesn't sell, Patreon will still be important but it could also be a huge success.
I'm not worried about the concerns/comparisons to Inzoi and especially LBY. They are in a very different place than LBY ever was. Their answers are very acceptable to me and they can't add everything upfront, but without early access they need to make what they do release feel like a 'complete' game with room to grow.
yeah... I was super distracted today and had to change that rather quickly ha
for sure, we can't say for sure if it will or won't be a successful model; and many answers that are no direct on because they simply cannot be
Oooh I love the idea that townies will pick from pre-made outfits! I hope we as players will be able to create and/or edit those outfits! Glad about the rabbit hole careers, I prefer them :-)
And I am glad that they set realistic limits for what they will be able to do and what they plan to do. The only thing I remain concerned about is the 100% free DLC, I fear they won't be able to support the game for as long as they might be able to with paid DLC.
that'd be great, yeah it's actually quite a solid and straight forward approach
I don't have doubts for Paralives to have a way to sustain themselves, at least for one year or two. But I definitely agree with the fact it's a "wait and see" situation. Some people have said "Stardew Valley is fine!" But Stardew Valley doesn't have a team of thirteen people and is a farming game which doesn't really need more updates. Meanwhile, a life simulation game could probably always get more updates to simulate any type of life. So I believe Paralives will be okay as long as its player base accept that it will be a limited experience. For now the Paralives team has expressed what their limits are and that's why I like their work and communication. For me it makes complete sense that they put forward other games because I do believe the team members play multiple games.
I'm worried though that the sims community and the fraction of it that will go to Paralives is mainly made of "one game player" - the sims - and their expectations will be too high. Thus in my opinion the first impression by Paralives is kind of doomed to be bad for the majority of the sims community but still considered a great game by its current supporters that follow the development and essentially more knowledgeable people in video games. The best counter attack Paralives can do to this first impression is what they already do great: communication and transparence. I hope it will be enough in the long run but my expectations for the game are low in general and I think it's key for people that will play the game to not disappoint themselves (and not because it's a bad game, just because it can't realistically do everything).
yes, people do often bring up stardew but the scope of the game / complexity is quite different too
As soon as the game launches, I'll be there giving all my money
Weather friends can provide good feedback or will be biased is heavily dependent on how the playtest is conducted. "Hey, here's the game, let us know what you think" is going to be even weaker with friends than it is with randos (unless those friends are also game devs or are otherwise used to giving feedback), while "Hey, come over, play this game while we film you and screen record the gameplay" is going to get a lot better feedback with friends or strangers than (outside of finding niche bugs and interactions) since they'll then get a bunch of footage of what the pain points that the people playing might not even notice are, and also see real time the ways people are gravitating to playing the game (and that's not really something you can get public playtest feedback on that easily.
They have a Massive Public Playtest coming up - Early Access - so them doing a closed family and friends playtest prior to it doesn't concern me too much.
I said it closer to the Only Free Expansions announcement, but if they're unable to fund the studio based on base sales of Paralives, given the amount they're funding their studio from from Patreon, I'm not sure they'd have the sales figures for paid DLC to really help much. While we've been asked not to speculate about price so I'm not going to state the results when I've done this, I think it's informative to plug in some possible prices, sales numbers, and factor in steam's cut (and possibly other expenses - I recently heard 30% for the amount of money that eventually gets to the studio but that was accounting for taxes and other things already being taken out of their patreon money; steam's cut is 30% atm) and then compare that to how much they're getting on patreon at the moment just to get a ballpark of how many months of development various scenarios would give the studio.
i actually agree with you with regards to the expansions being free. honestly, i wish they weren't. out of all the dev teams i would want to buy expansions from, the paralives team is the one i want to give my money to the most. of course the patreon is there, but patreon isn't my style. i want to give them the sales they deserve
i suppose in the long run, it’s a good thing. the more successful indie projects without cashgrabby monetisation tactics become successful, the harder it will be for AAA companies to keep their player base loyal. at least, i hope- i hope that when indie games succeed, with developers that care for their audience’s wellbeing as well as their own, bigger companies will follow suit
if even indie games could get away with say the DLC of the sims, idk where we’d be
yeah, I'd be happy to buy some dlc for them were they to ever change their minds
@@cryingwatercolours perhaps, though I wouldn't say the dlc model is the worst of ways to monetize- imo, usually the best eve if it can be overdone
City of hero's is a game based completely off patreon donations. It's still thriving years after they were able to get official authority to develop it.
I don't think they'll be releasing a broken, unfinished game because I know they listen very carefully to the players and try to make the best game possible.
I actually do suspect most Patreon supporters see it as something they are doing to get the game to release, and thus most likely will stop -- though I'm just one guy guessing wildly based on my own assumption about Patreon for this kind of project. I already had to stop all Patreon support for anything due to financial hardship. Since they are self-publishing (thus not having to split with a publisher), they should be OK if a reasonable portion of Sims fans get their game -- though if not I could see it becoming a problem.
idk i’m doing it to help the game release but also just to support their devs on their project. i adore the updates we get, and i’m one of those who would happily continue to pledge just for more early sneak peek content and to further support the team and NOT money hungry AAA companies
As a Patreon supporter, I can tell you my intention was to support it only until full release. I have upped my support from $3 to $5 a few months. After it is released, I’m gonna buy the game. I’m not independently wealthy and I have to consider where my resources go. My hope is that the game will release well and sales will be so good that people buy it and keep playing it. Hopefully future updates will bring in more players to buy the game.
I'm really not worried about their finances. There's a lot of hype for this game, people WILL buy it as soon as EA is released. They are already a success story right now as it is. I doubt they'll all become multi-millionaires and buy a huge studio or something but they'll live comfortably off this game even if the Patreon drops off, which I also doubt it will. A lot of people continue to support Patreons after content is released simply because they like the team, but additionally with their plan to continue updating the game people will want to continue to get news about updates. Lots of indie games with way less eyes on them do perfectly fine financially.
I put far more faith in the group at Paralives that I have supported since its inception (and received WEEKLY updates from each and EVERY week) than I will ever put in someone like EA and the Sims team again. I can't even look at the Sims without thinking of all of the money I have given them over the years while they do NOTHING to fix even the smallest of problems in the nightmare mess of a game that they now have. The team at Paralives has shown they want to work with their players to make this the best game possible for the PLAYERS and, while it may not be fully completed when launched, it will be maintained and added to until they give their customers what they want. That is more than the Sims has done for their loyal fanbase in YEARS.
Talking about ugly NPC/townie fashion the sims 4 has exactly that type of mod where townies will choose outfits from a list of pre-made fashion. I'm so glad paralives is going to do that as official part of the game. Only with mods we can make npc look good in s4 and even then their fashion will be okay but they will look awful in other ways such as terrible hair, eye, skin combos.
that would indeed be ideal as an official feature
I think it's natural to "compare games." I worry more about people having unrealistic expectations because of what they *hope* the game will be. For instance, I suspect that one of the reasons that Life By You didn't make it is because it tried to hard to be "The Sims but more what the players want" that they "bit off far more than they could chew." I feel that Paralives has been better about reigning in expectation. And as you say, InZoi and Paralives are very different games. They will probably both have people who love them (and will play both!)
For me, I'm going to stick with TS4 (although I've been playing TS3 lately. It always makes me appreciate TS4 more, even if I can't have the extensive "World Adventures" that I love in TS3 in TS4.)
yes, it is natural to compare. I think how the comparisons are handled is where the nuance lies. for instance, I do sometimes feel at least at first Paralives by some was expected to do many things that would be challenging pace and budget wise vs aaa level.
@@SimmerErin Unfortunately, it feels like many Sims players want the newer games to be "TS4 but perfect" which isn't going to happen. As I said, I think that was the downfall of LBY. I'm glad that the Paralives folks are not falling into that trap but trying to be the best at what they know they can do. I hope that people will realize why that nuance is so important!
I don't know if I'll get Paralives (and I know I won't get InZoi) but I definitely wish them well. It's good to have multiple similar games out there to cater to the "subgenre" preferred by different groups. After all, there are several of the cozy games that I notice people play several of (like Ooblets, Dinkum, Coral Island, Disney Dreamlight Valley, Stardew Valley, Taonga, and the like.)
@@junerussell6972 Oh I agree, you said it so well! I have seen that pattern
I want you to be able to work out certain parts or a paras body specifically i think it would be cool to build curves or abs specifically
oh no paralives will not launch perfectly, but what open-live-service game didn't. minecraft during its early access (pre 1.0) was pretty barebones, and stardew valley was a mess. it will get updates and over time it will become a solid game, im sure.
I don’t know what it is about this game, but my brain just won’t let me believe it’s coming out until they at least open up early access
It's always possible for a game to fail to launch, but unlike many games that do, I feel more confident due to the extension info they've provided
Thats good about the blush, but I don't know why they want to have the blush where it is on the preview Parafolk lol
I can go either way with active careers really depends how open and free the game play is. If done right like in Sims 2 active careers are amazing and I'd love to have them if done like Sims 4 with limitations like you can only play a single sim as a manager of restaurant with npcs then I don't really want development time wasted on careers.
i do hope that they are at least setting the ground work for story progression in the code so that its made to work. im just a bit wary of a huge system like that being added later (sims 4 ruined that). i know sims is a messy foundation to begin with, so maybe im overthinking the ability of game devs to introduce huge systems like that to a hopefully stable game.
I'm an "I'll believe it when I see it out" player. Until we're actually able to watch youtubers playing it who aren't backers or sponsored by them, I'm suspicious of huge ambitious kickstarter games like these.
sometimes there’s a free trial. when you see the amount of content that’s slowly built up over the years as they added to the team… it’s eye opening idk
I understand- there's nothing wrong with healthy skepticism.
Also they might abandon the whole project after ea, once they made the money.
10:31 that kinda sucks :’) not that i was expecting like whole era’s shown in the game, but maybe a couple old items here and there. maybe there will be enough customisation to sort of fake it? else i may have to learn 3d modelling or go back to recolouring other ppl’s cc for my needs… i need my victorian simulation fix!
I agree I'd like some older items eventually- I will say the q is about items with gameplay for early access so it's not ruled out
however, I just in general would love a new full life sim based in an era that isn't the general 'medieval', more a specific period would be cool, 1900's to 1950's idk
I have Hope for the gamexs release. I dont want them to rush it. I want for them to take their time and not rush like EA rushed the sims 4 team.
If i need to donate money to paralives i will cus i believe in them and really want them to succeed.
Inzoi to me, isnt the sims nor paralives. I feel like paralives is more like the sims as far as buildmode and Cas(CAP) mode. I want both Inzoi and Paralives.... they both will replace Sims 4 for me. ❤
I’d rather support Paralives, I’ve heard shady things about the company developing Inzoi
are you talking about the use of micro transactions, gen AI, or something else/
Hope and Cope are one letter off for a reason.
they have rather distinct meanings. there is nothing to "cope" about when a game isn't even out.
@SimmerErin Nor will it ever be lol.
Well we don't know the detail about how DLC would be free or any of that, they could have perfectly successful model some other patreon games uses where if you pay one time purchase of game on steam, yes then you get all new content free but you get with delayed period compared to patreon supporters. So essentially because many want the new cool stuff they still support development with patreon money. So until anyone know more specifics about their business models I think its too soon to assume anything or for that matter they have not already considered many of those things themselves.
So essentially if they use something like that people who patreon get to try the fresh beta version while it get content and patch update plus hotfixes, then delayed free version would be more tested and little more stable version. Its not like people always abandon supporting developers once game been shipped like makers of Snakes above still got patreon support even when they launched finish game and started their new project they're working on now.
I don't really care about Inzoi. I like my life-sims cartoony type, not photo-realistic.
If I get early-access, I'll probably be mostly interested in the building & landscaping.
DLC should be paid for fantastical dlc. Like vampires zombies etc. As not everyone would want that so it wouldn't be logical for it to be an update.
We can also include in the paid dlcs for space theme, etc.
at one point I thought they did say they were considering a supernatural dlc for the future, made it sound like they might do free updates for most core content and things like that as dlc,
I actually hope they'll keep their Patreon page. Even tho I'm not subscribed right now, I'll make sure I will once I get a job (I'm a high school student and I'll have to work in summer break to graduate)
my best wishes to you with working towards graduation/ summer job. Great you are thinking about it! I like that they have several levels of support , too
I thino i would be fine with paid dlc esp because this is an indie game. I understand their morals on this but i worry about sustainability. Im hoping for the best as paralives looks so good and ihope they are focusing on building those complex core stystems
I'm concerned about what the lack of story progression will mean for the gameplay experience. If I want to play for multiple generations with the same family will the rest of the town simply die out?
OR conversely, I'd think time would not go by for them at all? like they would not age or move forward w/ their lives if you didn't play them
I’ve always worried about DLC being free. I would imagine it may end up like DDLV and have to charge later on.
yes, as imperfect as dlc models are, I almost always prefer them to other models; now, paralives hasn't given any indication they would use a store/ microtransactions. seems they hope sales of the base and pattern will support them
@ I hope so too it looks like a great game! I just hope tying to keep it totally free doesn’t end up and a hindrance.
They should 100% make people pay for DLC but if they do they should make the DLC worth paying for, I get there trying to satisfy everyone and not milk people like EA but they are small dev team and worked hard and deserve it
Both games seem good so far as I CAN SEE. I really am looking MORE forward to InZoi though. I LIKE where it's going so so far. Para lives seems intersting as well. I just think InZoi is going to HAVE So much MORE going on it. Such as the fair or amusement park where the beach is. I still think it's pretty cool that the zoi CAN RIDE most of the rides. The even HAVE roller coasters that the zoi CAN Actually RIDE. Plus the cars that showed Windows going up and down. I really thought that wax awsome.
NOY even Sims 4 HAS Cars or vars thst CAN Have windows going up and down like they showed in INZOI. I JUST CAN'T WAIT FOR inzoi to come out. But I MAY TRY Paralives too at some point WHEN it come out. We'll see. :) Thank for posting and HOPE you have a NIce Chritmas holiday and A happy New year too. Also O am HOPEIN that the New year of 2025 will be Better than this soon to go year od 2024.
But MAY it be a BETTER one this time around. Take care Erin. 🤩❤👍✌🎄🍾
Im also excited about rabbit holes sims 3 did it so well and sims 4 despite promising no rabitholes quickly fell ofd
yeah, while I have some things I wish were not rabbit holes honestly in 3, it does mostly feel balanced out because of the open world, and most rabbit holes offer something in the way of immersion. I don't see rabbit holes as inherently good or bad
This is probably a very unpopular opinion these days, but I’m actually in FAVOR of the paid dlc model. A lot of players seem to think that game devs are “generous” and “care more about their players” if they release free dlcs or extra content. but for some reason a lot of ppl seem to forget that every company that’s making a game exists to make a PROFIT, not to be besties with the fans of their games and “treat them”. And companies that release free DLCs or extras, I GUARANTEE you that they are making up that lost potential revenue in some other ways. No company will willingly swallow the cost of something or cut themselves out of potential profit when they can pass that cost onto their customers and still profit. And companies that release free DLCs are MORE likely to nickel and dime their customers in other ways in my personal experience. So if I have to pay for dlc in order to not be nickel and dimed in other areas then so be it.
I think they are taking a litttttle bit to long to realese it tbh alot of hype so people are gonna expect ALOT once realesed. Inzoi and paralives are diffrent games but... i think they should kinda realese it before inzoi comes out lol because i no once inzoi is out thats all il be playing and ive heard thousands say the same. So i can see why there bringing inzoi into it lol.. i will deffiantly play the game i just feel like there is wayyy to much hype for a very very long time now lol and its time to realese. ❤
if you think it’s taking too long you’re in for a shock when you realise we aren’t getting the full game for a while yet
@cryingwatercolours oh i no that! Thats why im saying i think its beimg hyped a little toooo much so i prey people wont expect too much for early access and beyond.
so inzoi produced quote quickly, and this was helped by both being a larger prominent studio and generative AI. they are also backed by investors..., paralives relies all on its fan support to even develop, so imo, it is better for them to get things right vs try to outpace a big company
of course I have no idea of the timeline for inzoi.
hi as long as they don't pull a "life by you" on me I am not worried...
if something does happen (hope not!) it'd be a lot differently handled, as LBY was pulled by the larger company. I don't see the exact same things happening in that way
I don't understand why they would want to make DLC for free. I don't pay a single dime for any of the sims 4 content, but I'm willing to pay for things with actual value. Making DLC requires so much work and effort, how are they gonna sustain themselves or even motivate themselves to do it when there's no reward? I would love to pay for expansions in the future to support them if the content actually does what it does, expand the game, unlike the sims 4.
Idk, I would prefer a paid dlc model.. maybe they see the anger against paid dlc in communities?
I'm admittedly not interested in inzoi at all now that I know they use AI art. Can't support the murderer of human creativity and curiosity.
I mean, being too overambitious could lead to the game not making it at all. Just like with LifeByYou. They should rather tone down the variety of items and features and add them little by little afterwards. Also, since CC will play a big role here, creators need some challenges too.
that certainly is true
Errr the carreer rabbit holes is a big bad boom for me lol i think il just wait for inzoi. I hate rabbit holes sorry lol ive had many years of that with sims lol.
Inzoi has rabbit holes too...
@gg69155 ofcourse they do but more is open then not! And im mainly talking carreers for me i need them to not be rabbit holes for me to enjoy the game properly. Inzoi im sorry but there is no loading screens and all carrerrs are NOT rabbot holes other cafes and shops etc also are not rabbit holes and many more to come. Im just saying paraloves sounds like its rabbit hole town lol and i had enough of that for a wile.. not saying i wont support or play the game im just saying how i feel :)
@@KarinaCermakova-c7nhuh it’s literally open world and it’s careers and schools that are rabbit hole. we saw them go into a cafe last year so it’s not like there will be no accessible community lots
paralives does plan to add active careers, to clarify- just not during early access
@@SimmerErin thats awsome! I will be looking forward to that. ❤️
i’d actually prefer just getting the traditional way of paid-dlc along the lines, if it means supporting these indie developers and keeping the game running. most important is that the base game is solid and works tho.
I tend to as well... for a few reasons. Like I said, I do get it can be way overdone and not handled well, but that tends to be my preference
I just don’t care about the cartoon style, but hyped for Inzoi ❤
I just hope it's playable
I think inzoi and paralives are no competition. Inzoi is launching next year hopefully, while paralives still has a few years of development left.
they're very different games, and arguably in different subgenres. Both can exist.
I have the feeling that they will release the game in early access, collect the revenue, and never update the game again.😢
I don't see that happening. they have their full names and information on their web page and the money they get sustains them per month but is no fortune to live off
I find this game rudimentary by comparison to other games. It reminds me of games on commodore 64 and I think subscriptions would never appeal to me. I have no interest in this game or inzoi.
rudimentary in what way? compared to what games?
@@SimmerErin visually/graphically, it seems like a game created before the original sims and of fb games. The flow/movement seems slow and I really do not like that circle beneath the feet.
@@allforoneandoneforall it very much resembles the style of other cozy Indies, including current ones.
Flop 😊
Huh????
@@ariannapommells my thoughts exactly
2:47 no seriously, im baffled when i see people who support paralives also support inzoi. like at face value, yeah it’s another life sim, but they’re values also oppose each other so much.
a lot of people are looking for a game and aren't persuaded one way or another by other factors ; I think what perplexes me more is that I just really don't see them in the same sub category so to speak. while both simulation games, a cozy indie game vs inzoi is just very different? I don't think one succeeding spells something for the other.
Many people just go ANYTHING but ea
@@cryingwatercolours I would like to play both games, I don’t see why I wouldn’t. I play lots of different styles of games and whatever is well done, I’m interested in checking out.
I don't get it. You don't want people to be looking forward to both?