@@josephinebos8325 There's no way a child could draw something like that and not have seen/been victim to the experience. BUT it's the dirty thirties. And so called 'red flags" were easily skirted around by almost everyone: the family, clergy, law enforcement, any male who might be responsible to provide answers.
His older brother or father were probably bringing prostitutes home or taking him with them to brothels. That's generally how they would see that stuff when they're young. He probably wouldn't have had access to film porn at that time like little boys do now. A little boy, like 7 or 8, once sat next to me on the bus and out of nowhere started rubbing my leg up to the crotch, and I was so shocked I just got off the bus. If it was an older guy I would have had him arrested. You don't expect it from a little child, so I think his father (or mother's boyfriend) probably watches porn with him around, or even forces him to watch. Some sickos do that - it's a form of child abuse. His mother was sitting across the aisle from him and I think she knew what he was doing.
I totally agree. OF course, a lot, A LOT of children from all demographic of life culture, poverty and wealthy backgrounds, suffer abuse. A lot of it is not even visible. But once someone crosses the threshold of adulthood, a such depravity became A CONSCIOUS CHOICE not a consequence of how the were raised. ITS NOT easy to get help. Sometimes, people have to keep trying with the mature belief that effort put in their recovery their insight, forgiveness of self to wipe off shame inflicted and to take control of your life through action. That it is worth the cost, that it can not only change your quality of life, but those around you as well,. If someone is well aware of what they're doing, that they are not mentally ill per po not a "disease* , but a scale of psychopatgy Revised Psychopath. Not all PSYCHOPATHS kill. And not "ALL KILLERS":ARE PSYCHOPATH. In fact, a lot of CEO'S ARE PSYCHOPATHS. THEY ARE GIFTED AT IMMITATING HUMAN EMOTIONS, ARE CHARISMATICIC, ARE SUCCESSFUL, MARRIED WITH CHILDREN. IF ONLY THEIR OUTSIDE MATCHED the inside, they would be easy to spot.How so so many describe serial killer next door as completely harmless, friendly,, quiet NEIGHBOURS shocked when they see the police cars at their house leaving,in cuffs and on special tv bulletin and on tv 5 Oclock news. A lot of politicians are sadistic, maligmant narcciscists psychopaths. I feel no pity for their choices to sexually and phisically ASSAULT and murder anyone, be it sex workers or SCHOOLGIRLS. ALL LIVES ARE EQUALLY PRECIOUS. THESE WHO CHOOSE TO CROSS THAT MORAL LINE, DO SO CONCIOUSLY. ITS NOT A SUDDEN RESPONSE. ITS DROM YEARS OFTEN DECADES OF FANTACI THAT SPRING FROM CHILDHOOD. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, ORGANIZED OR NOT, IS IRRELEVANT. ABUSED OR NOT, IS IRRELEVANT. I FEEL NO PITY AND QUITE FRANKLY, THEY SHOULD NOT GET DEATH PENATY, WHICH THE APPEAL FOR 12-15 YEARS AT THE COST OF MILLIONS OF TAXPAYERS. A LIFETIME IN JAIL NO WINDOWS, 23 HOURS A DAY UNTILL THEY Die. ITS MILLIONS in dollars cheaper and completely restricting their freedom. I feel more satisfaction in that.
My father and his family are from this area and as he's a Scot we always got the Sunday Post. Of course, this was all over it for months, so, as I was 14 at the time, I remember it well.
Do you know much about what his family was like? Coz no way someone develops these behaviours and be protected by their family so many times (giving false alibis, claiming stolen items were the father’s etc) did not originate from a very unhealthy family dynamic and upbringing. I wish they gone into more of that on this episode.
"his older brother had already been sent to an "approved" school". leave it to the Brits to come up with some of the most diplomatic words to describe WHERE THUGS GO.
Holy Moly the Narrator in this documentary is the first time I have actually seen his face . I have heard his voice in numerous shows but never seen him before. This as always was an awesome story , this Cat doing all the killing was nuts 🫤😳😡
A lot of Parents lie for their kids when it comes to all sorts of things. It teaches the child absolutely nothing. My mom raised me like this; she loves me more than anything. Im an only child so we are super close and always have been BUT if I did something wrong I had to deal with the consequences and my mom wasn't going to lie just bc I'm her daughter
It feels like this is the stupidest police I have ever read about cannot look at this anymore - the parents participation, the stupid police and the miserable jury who let him got. Yuck!
@@LJ-ht4zslike my old dad used to say to me Roses are red violets are blue But cops Are fucking stupid I guess these gumbys needed more proof and more bodies. Their grandfathers failed to catch jack the ripper
14:00 the parent providing an alibi speaks to the entire families gene pool, and deep seated distrust that societies representatives will do "the right thing" by you. this wasn't a petty break in by a pre-teen. by now he's proven his escalating big time. and innocent women are paying the price.
The parents who or anyone who provided an alibi should be charged and imprisoned for abetting the act and put away for a long time - life if it was a murder.
I am not making the claim the entire family is genetically defective - I am asserting anyone - friend or family provides a false alibi should be held accountable.
Back when they gave an execution date, it wasn’t for 20 years later? Imagine that. I love my boys, but if they ever committed crimes, I am certainly not giving them an alibi.
@@MsBleau Are you talking about the USA? The average cost per prisoner in the UK (last figures, 2019-2020) is £28,974 a year. There is no review every 10 years, but all lifers have a tariff set at the beginning - the minimum term they must serve. Several have whole-life tariffs.
@@pabmusic1 Yes in US death sentences have an automatic appeal which takes at least 10 yrs and the chance that they'll ever see the death penalty is slim and none.But because they are housed separately it cost twice as much to house them Most die naturally beforehand. The justice system in the US is a joke if you have money it does not pertain to you
Because if you’re not proven guilty, then you should be innocent until proven the opposite, that’s simply a fundamental human right, hasn’t history taught us anything?
What about the wild family that lived in a cave and murdered travlers....and ate them. Don't recall what era....14th century? When they say "Scotland's First Serial Killer you have to realize that trem S.K. only came about in the 1970s ? 60s? We all have had S.K.,but did identify them as such til fairly recently....40-50 years ago.
Sorry for errors,typos. By the way when the murdering family was caught they were all killed including the children. It was somewhere in the hinterlands and I don't think there was even an organized police force. I'd like to see a story on that.Its been 40 years since I read it.
Never give an alibi.. they committed a crime, they better be ready to be held accountable for it.. don't care if you are my grandma or niece.. if you don't want to end up in prison, then don't do crimes.. simple. Continuously letting him out of prison, is like releasing a man eating shark into a full swimming pool..
In Australia there was a very similar criminal named Chris Flannery. He too boasted and was called Mr rent a kill. He too crossed the criminal underworld. He disappeared.
There are two more who were prone to mess with rdinary people (square heads as they were called) and drawing negative attention, Alphonse Gangitano and some guy whose name I don't remember (who made his girlfriends toddler vanish). Those two were killed.
Easier said then done parents don't want to believe their kids are capable of this sort of thing. Especially when your child is pleading and giving you all the reasons and places they were they just don't have a person to vouch for them. They are trying to pin it on me cause my past blah blah blah. Easier to say you wouldn't help if you aren't in them shoes.
1. kids can be notoriously awful to other kids. Not ALL of them, but in any school there will be the "popular" clique who are, frankly, beastly to others. And we see those types on UA-cam all the time now...the ones getting pulled over by police for traffic offences and behaving just unbelievably entitled and awful. Manuel would certianly have picked on by that sort. 2. He might also have been picked on by the "bully boy" types. These kids aren't usually popular, but they are physically intimidating . If Manuel was very small, they would have targetted him. 3. he had an antisocial personality, which would have meant he also failed to get on with anyone else, plus he seemed to like provoking people -though that may have developed later, once he began to feel so invulnerable. This is another feature that many serial killers share. Not having friends when young...when any skills of manipulation are not yet developed. Though people talk about how good looking and charming Ted Bundy was said to be...the people who knew him from his school and neighborhood said he had no friends. He was unpleasant, liked to cause nasty problems, and was rounded disliked.
Why did the judge direct the jury to find him not guilty of the killing of the young woman named Anne Kneilands? I disagree with the notion that there was "love" among Peter Manuel and his parents. It isn't love that makes one offer an alibi to a murderer. That is not love. From listening to this, his father encouraged him to be a criminal.
Ya never believe in all that stuff. Like "if you are innocent, you will not be punished". They didnt spare the poor husband, just because he didn't look sad enough 🙄
Thank you for sharing this story. Rehab may help for some addictions.....sexual predators.....not so, A little contradiction: "used" as opposed to "crisp new bank notes*
Two small point. 1) the map at the beginning has a blatant error - STERLING. The correct spelling is Stirling. 2) I disagree with the comment about coming to Scotland and having trouble with the different school system. He would not have had much of schooling in the USA. He also more than likely have picked up a Scottish accent and evidence of an American accent would have disappeared. Had he moved to Scotland after as a teen, he would have retained an American accent. Not 100% on the accent but that was what I was told by a speech therapist.
I was born in Scotland and moved to Australia as a 5 year old and I can say that I lost my scottish accent and picked up the Aussie one by the time I was 15 = so took me approx 10 yr to lose my accent
I disagree. My cousin lived in here in Indiana for 30 years and when she moved to Louisiana, it was weird to hear her talking like she lived her whole life in Louisiana. With him before so young, he would have picked up the Scottish accent rather quickly
What "different schooling system" when he was 5 when his parents returned to Scotland?! The only schooling system in New York for him must have been pree-school, if he was ever send there
@@th-pw8pn you start school at 5 in most cases in the US at that time also. If he even went to school in NY it would have been a very short time since they went back when he was 5 unless he went to daycare which is now called preschool in most areas.
@@Harley_Girl68 Peter was apparently born on 13th of March in 1927 so he would be one of the oldest kids in his year. He could have spent months in the US as a first grader and started school in Scotland for primary one in August/September. It's also stated he returned to Scotland in 1932 making him 5 at the time. I assume he started primary one in the UK in August/September of that year. That said, I don't know how seriously one should take the dialogue, it could easily and is probably just a mild summing up of events rather than a very accurate one. There is at least ~9 months in 1932 to play with anyway... 😀
@@th-pw8pn he wouldn’t have started school until August-September of the year he turned 5. Since we know they moved that same year. We don’t even know if he ever went to school in NY cause they didn’t say what month they moved back. So probably not a accurate statement.
I sure hope the Scottish law enforcement have LEARNED SOMETHING about finding criminals since that SERIAL FAILURES they performed while this criminal enjoyed his crimes. Listening to the Parents lying, creating false alibi for that failed "son" ??? SHAME, SHAME, SHAME. They should have been jailed for obstruction of justice.
I couldn't imagine anything more soul destroying. Your entire Family gets murdered whilst your out fishing. Then you get arrested, charged, sentenced to Jail. If it was me the murder of my Family would totally crush me & destroy my soul. I would have absolutely nothing left to fight the unjust charges. Whenever I had the chance, I would feebly & softly say I was innocent.
Only just found this channel as "the liquid bomb plot" shown up on my feed glad I watched it looks like all your videos have a similar structure so I've subbed before watching this vid
They way the men discussing the case sit their chairs so close together is giving a very "creepy Santa sez Come Sit on My Lap" vibe. They're practically playing footsie.
He was a disturbed boy,what caused that?they usually say they were abused as kids,which could be..but there were signs so early on,its tragic that this happened,both for the poir victims and families,but also for himself
Now this is what I think is VERY VERY WRONG. That people are allowed to defend themselves, I know someone who thrived on intimidation of those he abused. he enjoyed their fear, them being uncomfortable. Being able to defend himself in court would have been heaven for him. And torture for his victims.
After watching this - my mgf was born in Glascow in Scotland - after seeing this - think I'd pass it up. Also I wonder about people who get attracted to seeing so people in person. Some in US women in US would send love letters to psychopathic serial killers of women. I think there is something crazy about people who send love letters to such people
I don't understand---he gave the details of the first murder of a family, yet he was set free and proceeded to murder a bunch more people, even though they knew who it was?! Wtf
I hope that family moved away, because if all this information had been known; of how much they covered for their son, ‘harassment’ would be the least of they’re worries.
Fucking hell, the woman made an attempted rape charge against him, he is obviously a serial offender wiht a long string of previous crimes, and they BELIEVE HIM enough to say it was unproven?? People really hate women.
But what about the Bean murders - wouldn’t they be classified as earlier serial murderers - Scottish - than Manuel? I would wager that there were many others too, going back in history.
I'm confused 😕 It opens, saying he was born in New York, but then the 1st person talking about him, other than the 'narrator', I believe was Malcolm McLeod. He says "he arrives 'back' in Scotland", etc. ?? Around 2:30 onwards. Wasn't that his 1st time there? I know the parents returned to Scotland, but wasn't that his 1st time living and going to school there?
Absolutely fascinating. I stumbled onto this via Brief Case ( highly recommend) - I went to Uddingston Grammar in the 1970s, I know Hamilton, East Kilbride, had relatives in Burnside. What’s even more spooky Joe Beltramy was our neighbour and we used to play with his boys. We, and other village children, used to play together as 7-12 year olds. It was strange seeing him on film. The other parents had a great deal of respect for him and his work. He dealt with some of the worst of the worst. I think his professional life must have very stressful at times, we knew nothing of this as children. By the way, this predator returned to Scotland at FIVE, his accent by 6 would have been negligible. His “differences” hardly noticeable after a period of 6-12 months at that age. Most other children would have been delighted by the exotic “American “ boy, would have wanted to be his friend. He was damaged in other, more fundamental ways. The prison system recognised it. Police recognised it. Everyone recognised it. I’m not in favour of capital punishment, but in this instance? Mmmm.
He was someone who knows the place and was in front everyone most of the time, but they didn't realized it, so couldn't identify him and he knew it, but he's was always around talking and walking with his friends but when they comes, he would ran off to kill and come back like he didn't do anything, sometimes what you are looking for can be right in front of you, but you can't see, because you are looking in the wrong places.
It was the 1950's & even in the US at that time, unless he was a POC. He'd have gotten out because the police didn't have the forensic evidence to hold him.
@@shaylatorch , actually I do watch them! Note: I said he "keeps"/repeatedly being released (not just once & back again). In the US, we have a "3 strikes" law which sends folks to prison for years...not just a couple of years and then back on the streets 😉.
@@grettagirl2884 *In the United States, Evil people are being released time and time and time again. Too many of them are serving no jail time at all!*
Driving the victim's car a giving a police officer a lift and that didn't constitute a clue. He spent days in the victims' house and left no finger prints??!! I'm sure there's something missing in this story!
@@thegreencat9947 There’s no actual evidence that Sawney Bean existed. It's prety evident that the English created the myth of Sawney Bean & company as anti Scottish propaganda. At the time the Jacobite war & Bonnie Prince Charlie had only just taken place. & the German Hanoverian's were desperate to legitimise their position amongst the people. They may have had a legal claim but a lot of people including many Scott's saw it differently. So the Hanoverian's in revenge for the Scottish uprising against them. On behalf of Bonnie Prince Charlie demonised the Scots. With black propaganda, & outlawed much of their cultural heritage. It wasn’t until Queen Victoria, 100 odd years layer hat the Scott's. Were allowed to reclaim some of their culture & heritage.
The mystery i want to know is how did he stab a horse or a cow that's large enough to really hurt him as a child? I was raised on a farm around horses and cows. I've seen bad things happen to full size people who didn't pay attention around a horse.
What is the psychiatric rationale behind his inability to penetrate his early victims at age 16? He attacked 5 women but raped just one at age 28. He's obviously a sadist but doesn't penetrate all his female victims. Usually the sexual sadist is fulfilled by the completion of penetration excited by the profound violence and complete humiliation. He seemed to get the most satisfaction from the execution of his victims. That anomaly didn't seem to get an adequate explaination by the criminologist. Did his father share his sadistic characteristics? Maybe that's why he gave him so many alibis. He definitely had a grandiose ego in addition to being a sociopath.
Would love to have learned more about his family and childhood, because no way this behaviours came from nowhere. Not at all giving excuses for this man’s choices, but it would be helpful to find out what childhood dynamics created and/or cultivated these deviant behaviours. Huge red flags: 🚩 a young child drawing pornographic images (that has to come from being exposed to, deliberately or accidentally via neglect, pornography, possibly even having it normalised in the home… along with a possibility of him being subjected to more ‘active’ forms of sexual abuse) 🚩 violent animal abuse in childhood - I know it was a different time and families may not have been able to afford to keep a ‘close eye’ on everything their kids get up to. But it would be very hard for a young child to hide signs like taking knives out of the home, coming home with unexplained cuts regularly, blood stains on themself or clothing. Knowing how he is later in life, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn if he even bragged about those acts to family and/or friends. 🚩 desire and sexual gratification from violence towards women - that speaks to me a very unhealthy relationship he developed from a young age with females in his life. Whether it’s caused by a significant issue between him and his mother (eg Ed Kemper) and/or witnessing violence towards women (likely father abusing his mother) and where such views are normalised and maybe even encouraged. His sexual impotence and inability to develop healthy relationships with women suggests that he was possibly shamed and made to feel impotent as a child/during puberty (eg if his mother or other female figures in his life cruelly belittled him esp with regards to the topic of dating and sex… could also be possible for his father to be dealing out the mockery while in context of sex, eg if he brought pornography and/or sex workers home and while exposing his son to that he mocked his son by saying that his son wouldn’t have the courage or ability to have sex with a woman. I wonder if his father asked him to participate in sexual violence in his presence but when the young boy refused or could not, then he got mocked… sadly wouldn’t be the first case of that I’ve heard of). All speculation but certainly while this guy could have the genetics to make him susceptible to psychopathy and sadism, I would put money on there being some very significant abusive relationships and events being present in his early childhood that shaped him for his tendencies and actions later in life. I wish courts would go deeper into those in serial murders and other very significant cases so that historical abuse that very likely helped create the ‘monster’ is recognised and punished.
Sexual predators will never be “ cured/rehabilitated”
Nope. To the Wood Chipper with 'em i say .
Exactly. That's like a lion no longer seeking prey.
You are Clearly projecting, very unhealthy coping mechanism seek help.
Correct. Only managed if you keep them on a short leash. The urge to offend never goes away.
@@mateblack4722 same
How does someone that young just draw porn? Seems like that would be a red flag to check out his home life, not a punishment.
I was going to say the same thing.
@@josephinebos8325 There's no way a child could draw something like that and not have seen/been victim to the experience. BUT it's the dirty thirties. And so called 'red flags" were easily skirted around by almost everyone: the family, clergy, law enforcement, any male who might be responsible to provide answers.
His older brother or father were probably bringing prostitutes home or taking him with them to brothels. That's generally how they would see that stuff when they're young. He probably wouldn't have had access to film porn at that time like little boys do now. A little boy, like 7 or 8, once sat next to me on the bus and out of nowhere started rubbing my leg up to the crotch, and I was so shocked I just got off the bus. If it was an older guy I would have had him arrested. You don't expect it from a little child, so I think his father (or mother's boyfriend) probably watches porn with him around, or even forces him to watch. Some sickos do that - it's a form of child abuse. His mother was sitting across the aisle from him and I think she knew what he was doing.
I think its pretty clear that NYC corrupted him.
THANK YOU!!!!
No excuse for his childhood........ many people who had a bad childhood don't turn into murderers. From Australia.
nsw
I totally agree.
OF course, a lot, A LOT of children from all demographic of life culture, poverty and wealthy backgrounds, suffer abuse. A lot of it is not even visible. But once someone crosses the threshold of adulthood, a such depravity became A CONSCIOUS CHOICE not a consequence of how the were raised. ITS NOT easy to get help. Sometimes, people have to keep trying with the mature belief that effort put in their recovery their insight, forgiveness of self to wipe off shame inflicted and to take control of your life through action. That it is worth the cost, that it can not only change your quality of life, but those around you as well,. If someone is well aware of what they're doing, that they are not mentally ill per po not a "disease* , but a scale of psychopatgy Revised Psychopath. Not all PSYCHOPATHS kill. And not "ALL KILLERS":ARE PSYCHOPATH. In fact, a lot of CEO'S ARE PSYCHOPATHS. THEY ARE GIFTED AT IMMITATING HUMAN EMOTIONS, ARE CHARISMATICIC, ARE SUCCESSFUL, MARRIED WITH CHILDREN. IF ONLY THEIR OUTSIDE MATCHED the inside, they would be easy to spot.How so so many describe serial killer next door as completely harmless, friendly,, quiet NEIGHBOURS shocked when they see the police cars at their house leaving,in cuffs and on special tv bulletin and on tv 5 Oclock news.
A lot of politicians are sadistic, maligmant narcciscists psychopaths. I feel no pity for their choices to sexually and phisically ASSAULT and murder anyone, be it sex workers or SCHOOLGIRLS. ALL LIVES ARE EQUALLY PRECIOUS.
THESE WHO CHOOSE TO CROSS THAT MORAL LINE, DO SO CONCIOUSLY. ITS NOT A SUDDEN RESPONSE. ITS DROM YEARS OFTEN DECADES OF FANTACI THAT SPRING FROM CHILDHOOD. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, ORGANIZED OR NOT, IS IRRELEVANT. ABUSED OR NOT, IS IRRELEVANT. I FEEL NO PITY AND QUITE FRANKLY, THEY SHOULD NOT GET DEATH PENATY, WHICH THE APPEAL FOR 12-15 YEARS AT THE COST OF MILLIONS OF TAXPAYERS. A LIFETIME IN JAIL NO WINDOWS, 23 HOURS A DAY UNTILL THEY Die. ITS MILLIONS in dollars cheaper and completely restricting their freedom. I feel more satisfaction in that.
And many do!!
@@guylainelavoie7571
You wrote a Thesis...
Not an excuse but perhaps an explanation. Not all abused people become killers, but most killers have have been abused.
My father and his family are from this area and as he's a Scot we always got the Sunday Post. Of course, this was all over it for months, so, as I was 14 at the time, I remember it well.
Do you know much about what his family was like? Coz no way someone develops these behaviours and be protected by their family so many times (giving false alibis, claiming stolen items were the father’s etc) did not originate from a very unhealthy family dynamic and upbringing. I wish they gone into more of that on this episode.
Thanks for sharing that information. Small world.
"his older brother had already been sent to an "approved" school". leave it to the Brits to come up with some of the most diplomatic words to describe WHERE THUGS GO.
It seems that the brother was rehabilitated because he is not mentioned anymore
@Louis Liu you're offended because of understatement? Really? Must be nice to have so few problems that this becomes an issue...
@@bruggeman672???
@@honkytonk4465 what's the confusion?
In the US in the 70s they called it "training" school.
Holy Moly the Narrator in this documentary is the first time I have actually seen his face .
I have heard his voice in numerous shows but never seen him before.
This as always was an awesome story , this Cat doing all the killing was nuts 🫤😳😡
Fred Dineage. Awesome narrator!
This mans voice is absolutely amazing
Old Fred from the kid's tv program back in the day called HOW
He does the worlds most evil killers too
@@blumajick
I LOVE THAT SHOW!!!
I thought it sounded like the same dude
"...one of the wuuuurlds most EEEEVIL killahs!"
Maybe that's why i fall sleep with this horrendos Crimea🤔
why they let him go SO many times, its very frustrating
Really mind-numbing
True
It's based on the Canadian system..."hugs for thugs".
I have the impression from many cases I know, the UK's police is very poor in performance.
Reminds me of Dahmer
Because the Father lied for his bad seed son he killed many more. That “Father” has blood on his hands.
That's worth a conspiracy charge and America and he would go to jail if you were charged
@@manleynelson9419 Remember there were TWO brothers that were off to "approved" schooling. The older brother was also in trouble.
A lot of Parents lie for their kids when it comes to all sorts of things. It teaches the child absolutely nothing. My mom raised me like this; she loves me more than anything. Im an only child so we are super close and always have been BUT if I did something wrong I had to deal with the consequences and my mom wasn't going to lie just bc I'm her daughter
Don’t snitch especially on Family.
@@joeholtster1891the liars are just as responsible for the murders as he is. Anyone who lies for a psycho is an idiot and a bit crazy themselves.
What we see almost always with these predators is escalation
Yes - and that THEY don’t want to die, so they’ll do anything to avoid getting the death penalty.
Financial crimes, drug crimes, sexual battery and rape--leads to murder.
How ridiculous! They had this guy several times and just let him go.
It feels like this is the stupidest police I have ever read about cannot look at this anymore - the parents participation, the stupid police and the miserable jury who let him got. Yuck!
Also listening to the two men discussing it they too seem to be lacking - like they talking about an afternoon in the park
That's how it usually goes.
The police can't belive it or they don't have the proves.
@@LJ-ht4zslike my old dad used to say to me
Roses are red violets are blue
But cops
Are fucking stupid
I guess these gumbys needed more proof and more bodies. Their grandfathers failed to catch jack the ripper
They did not have the proof, without that they cannot hold him, and when he did get to court the jury believed him and not his victim.
14:00 the parent providing an alibi speaks to the entire families gene pool, and deep seated distrust that societies representatives will do "the right thing" by you. this wasn't a petty break in by a pre-teen. by now he's proven his escalating big time. and innocent women are paying the price.
@Louis Liu not really no, that is simply your prejudice showing
@bruggeman672 how so?
@@j.c.nightwalker5322 you claim the entire family is genetically inferior based on the actions of the killer and his father. That's textbook prejudice
The parents who or anyone who provided an alibi should be charged and imprisoned for abetting the act and put away for a long time - life if it was a murder.
I am not making the claim the entire family is genetically defective - I am asserting anyone - friend or family provides a false alibi should be held accountable.
Back when they gave an execution date, it wasn’t for 20 years later? Imagine that. I love my boys, but if they ever committed crimes, I am certainly not giving them an alibi.
In UK there was never a "Death Row" system like in the US. Those condemned to death were pretty much executed forthwith, within weeks or months.
In the days when Britain had capital punishment the execution occurred during the week following the third Sunday after sentencing.
@@pabmusic1if only. It cost 60k a yr w automatic 10yr appeals. Only to never end up happening
@@MsBleau Are you talking about the USA?
The average cost per prisoner in the UK (last figures, 2019-2020) is £28,974 a year.
There is no review every 10 years, but all lifers have a tariff set at the beginning - the minimum term they must serve. Several have whole-life tariffs.
@@pabmusic1 Yes in US death sentences have an automatic appeal which takes at least 10 yrs and the chance that they'll ever see the death penalty is slim and none.But because they are housed separately it cost twice as much to house them Most die naturally beforehand. The justice system in the US is a joke if you have money it does not pertain to you
I wish the US had a "not proven" verdict. Here we have "Not Guilty" which people treat as proof of innocence!
In the UK, many people think not proven means innocent. Pick your poison.
But that not guilty is based on being proven "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" so it IS "not proven."
Let’s not get it twisted though because over there the sentences are even more of a joke.
Because if you’re not proven guilty, then you should be innocent until proven the opposite, that’s simply a fundamental human right, hasn’t history taught us anything?
@@loriegosnell9355 We don't lock up 13 year olds with a whole life tarrif. The US has a long and shameful history of locking up innocent people.
No way he was first serial killer. People have been killing on that island for thousands of years.
What about the wild family that lived in a cave and murdered travlers....and ate them. Don't recall what era....14th century? When they say "Scotland's First Serial Killer you have to realize that trem S.K. only came about in the 1970s ? 60s? We all have had S.K.,but did identify them as such til fairly recently....40-50 years ago.
Sorry for errors,typos. By the way when the murdering family was caught they were all killed including the children. It was somewhere in the hinterlands and I don't think there was even an organized police force. I'd like to see a story on that.Its been 40 years since I read it.
@@CjJohnson-kf1oz Sawnee Bean. Help?
@@thegreencat9947 sounds very familiar,not sure. Thanks,I will check it out.
@@CjJohnson-kf1oz it's what you are looking for. Some Scotts say no..but others...say yes.
Never give an alibi.. they committed a crime, they better be ready to be held accountable for it.. don't care if you are my grandma or niece.. if you don't want to end up in prison, then don't do crimes.. simple.
Continuously letting him out of prison, is like releasing a man eating shark into a full swimming pool..
In Australia there was a very similar criminal named Chris Flannery. He too boasted and was called Mr rent a kill. He too crossed the criminal underworld. He disappeared.
Yep, not many in Australia were glad to see the back of that Flannery duckhead.
There are two more who were prone to mess with rdinary people (square heads as they were called) and drawing negative attention, Alphonse Gangitano and some guy whose name I don't remember (who made his girlfriends toddler vanish). Those two were killed.
Yes in Australia, we have the notorious back packer serial killings, and lord knows how many missing people are still buried in that forest.
Oh well
@@zmac8689 oh baby.....who knows?
Recently found this channel.
Interesting stories.
Thanks for sharing.
A disturbing case of someone who slipped through the cracks for far to long.
I wouldn't say that Peter Manuel "slipped through the cracks". Seems more that the doors were opened for him.
I love my sons but in no way would I cover for them if they did stuff like this 😒 the parents should be convicted too
Easier said then done parents don't want to believe their kids are capable of this sort of thing. Especially when your child is pleading and giving you all the reasons and places they were they just don't have a person to vouch for them. They are trying to pin it on me cause my past blah blah blah. Easier to say you wouldn't help if you aren't in them shoes.
@@jordancampbell5010 never said it would be easy…
Yes I feel exactly the same way
I couldn't either.
How considerate, feeding the cat the salmon as a special treat.
He was 5 years old when he returned to Scotland. How could he have been such an outcast?
Cause it's good for the story. Probably had nothing to do with the move he was probably struggling then but no help ever came. So they teased him
1. kids can be notoriously awful to other kids. Not ALL of them, but in any school there will be the "popular" clique who are, frankly, beastly to others. And we see those types on UA-cam all the time now...the ones getting pulled over by police for traffic offences and behaving just unbelievably entitled and awful.
Manuel would certianly have picked on by that sort.
2. He might also have been picked on by the "bully boy" types. These kids aren't usually popular, but they are physically intimidating . If Manuel was very small, they would have targetted him.
3. he had an antisocial personality, which would have meant he also failed to get on with anyone else, plus he seemed to like provoking people -though that may have developed later, once he began to feel so invulnerable.
This is another feature that many serial killers share. Not having friends when young...when any skills of manipulation are not yet developed. Though people talk about how good looking and charming Ted Bundy was said to be...the people who knew him from his school and neighborhood said he had no friends. He was unpleasant, liked to cause nasty problems, and was rounded disliked.
He was probably bullied because he was different and weird, not when he was 5, lol, but when he was a bit older.
Oh come on they have to make him the victim first
Why did the judge direct the jury to find him not guilty of the killing of the young woman named Anne Kneilands? I disagree with the notion that there was "love" among Peter Manuel and his parents. It isn't love that makes one offer an alibi to a murderer. That is not love. From listening to this, his father encouraged him to be a criminal.
Their lack of morality - points to a trait in the family. Father, mother, son
"...his father encouraged him to be a criminal." *His mother may have encouraged him as well.*
Burke and Hare in the 1820s have a better case to have been Scotland's first.
My great grandfather was killed by a serial killer. So was his mother. I wish my grandmother had told me about it when she was alive😢.
Probably too traumatized to relay it. Like war veterans who don't discuss their trauma.
Did the parent even get charged for obstruction and hindrance, cover up of a murder investigation? Any charge(s) at all?
Probably not!,the judicial system is up sh**t creek without a puddle!
Sorry...paddle!😅
And where was the mother in all of this?
Wait. He met with the husband and admits to the murders but they can't arrest him? That part was really confusing.
Ya never believe in all that stuff. Like "if you are innocent, you will not be punished". They didnt spare the poor husband, just because he didn't look sad enough 🙄
Thank you for sharing this story. Rehab may help for some addictions.....sexual predators.....not so, A little contradiction: "used" as opposed to "crisp new bank notes*
His parents should have been convinced too! Sounds like they enabled him.
Convicted too
The embodiment of "The Bad Seed"...for so many...it begins in childhood.
No, these bastards are born, not made!!!
Damn, these cops couldn't catch the clap in a brothel.
They knew who it was, they just could not get the evidence against him.
Charming.
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They just kept letting this guy go.
Two small point. 1) the map at the beginning has a blatant error - STERLING. The correct spelling is Stirling. 2) I disagree with the comment about coming to Scotland and having trouble with the different school system. He would not have had much of schooling in the USA. He also more than likely have picked up a Scottish accent and evidence of an American accent would have disappeared. Had he moved to Scotland after as a teen, he would have retained an American accent. Not 100% on the accent but that was what I was told by a speech therapist.
I was born in Scotland and moved to Australia as a 5 year old and I can say that I lost my scottish accent and picked up the Aussie one by the time I was 15 = so took me approx 10 yr to lose my accent
I disagree. My cousin lived in here in Indiana for 30 years and when she moved to Louisiana, it was weird to hear her talking like she lived her whole life in Louisiana. With him before so young, he would have picked up the Scottish accent rather quickly
Serial Killer don’t have a motive. None of them. Sometimes they think they have a reason but never a motive.
What?
He was a sociopath. He had full cognitive understanding of right and wrong and did not care.
How can a full confession with details not released in media not be enough for an arrest?
Good question.
What happened to the falsely imprisoned Martin?
What "different schooling system" when he was 5 when his parents returned to Scotland?! The only schooling system in New York for him must have been pree-school, if he was ever send there
I was wondering that too maybe the school of life, But not traditional schooling at that age.
You start school at 5 years old in the UK. Primary school is "grade" 1 to 7. Secondary school is 1 to 6. You leave secondary school at 18. 🙂
@@th-pw8pn you start school at 5 in most cases in the US at that time also. If he even went to school in NY it would have been a very short time since they went back when he was 5 unless he went to daycare which is now called preschool in most areas.
@@Harley_Girl68 Peter was apparently born on 13th of March in 1927 so he would be one of the oldest kids in his year. He could have spent months in the US as a first grader and started school in Scotland for primary one in August/September. It's also stated he returned to Scotland in 1932 making him 5 at the time. I assume he started primary one in the UK in August/September of that year.
That said, I don't know how seriously one should take the dialogue, it could easily and is probably just a mild summing up of events rather than a very accurate one. There is at least ~9 months in 1932 to play with anyway... 😀
@@th-pw8pn he wouldn’t have started school until August-September of the year he turned 5. Since we know they moved that same year. We don’t even know if he ever went to school in NY cause they didn’t say what month they moved back.
So probably not a accurate statement.
He was hanged in the Scottish gallows in 1958 and he was quoted to say turn up the radio, l'll go quietly! He was 31!:
I sure hope the Scottish law enforcement have LEARNED SOMETHING about finding criminals since that SERIAL FAILURES they performed while this criminal enjoyed his crimes. Listening to the Parents lying, creating false alibi for that failed "son" ??? SHAME, SHAME, SHAME. They should have been jailed for obstruction of justice.
I couldn't imagine anything more soul destroying. Your entire Family gets murdered whilst your out fishing. Then you get arrested, charged, sentenced to Jail.
If it was me the murder of my Family would totally crush me & destroy my soul. I would have absolutely nothing left to fight the unjust charges.
Whenever I had the chance, I would feebly & softly say I was innocent.
Only just found this channel as "the liquid bomb plot" shown up on my feed glad I watched it looks like all your videos have a similar structure so I've subbed before watching this vid
I remember as a kid of about 12 or so being terrified that Manuel would come to my home in Paisley and kill me!
He killed Gordon Ramsay’s uncle
@@SSNESS 😳
I was 10 in 1968 , living in lanarkshire and was told Bible John might get me.
@@stevegreenhorn934 Who was "Bible John"?
This is really interesting video but I’m a little sceptical Scotland had no serial killers before the 1950s.
They way the men discussing the case sit their chairs so close together is giving a very "creepy Santa sez Come Sit on My Lap" vibe.
They're practically playing footsie.
He was a disturbed boy,what caused that?they usually say they were abused as kids,which could be..but there were signs so early on,its tragic that this happened,both for the poir victims and families,but also for himself
All right, I gotta watch, I guess, but right off the bat: Who dubbed him the "first" serial killer in Scotland? What about Burke and Hare?
I thought the Romans had that down....or almost.
They were only convicted of one murder so they don't technically count as serial killers under the law.
They are considered a duo, not single killer. Seems obvious
What about Sawney Bean?
I was listening to this while going to sleep, but I happened to open my eyes at 9:08 and got the fright of my life, lol!
Lol 😄
This monster should have been kept in prison after he did the first violent offence. The length of sentences for violent crimes is insane.
Now this is what I think is VERY VERY WRONG. That people are allowed to defend themselves,
I know someone who thrived on intimidation of those he abused. he enjoyed their fear, them being uncomfortable. Being able to defend himself in court would have been heaven for him. And torture for his victims.
His father should have gotten a life sentence for covering for him.
His mother was probably covering for him as well.
I don't believe he's the 'first' . But believe he maybe the first that we now report on.
People sit way to close to each other on these shows.
After watching this - my mgf was born in Glascow in Scotland - after seeing this - think I'd pass it up. Also I wonder about people who get attracted to seeing so people in person. Some in US women in US would send love letters to psychopathic serial killers of women. I think there is something crazy about people who send love letters to such people
Not only do some people send love letters to prisoners, they marry them while they're still in prison!
Unbelievable. They let the violent criminal off again and again. And they arrested an innocent man
His father should have been sent to prison for the false alibi
I don't understand---he gave the details of the first murder of a family, yet he was set free and proceeded to murder a bunch more people, even though they knew who it was?! Wtf
Why didn't the police leave him to the local villains.......sorted
I hope that family moved away, because if all this information had been known; of how much they covered for their son, ‘harassment’ would be the least of they’re worries.
Love the voice of the first criminologist
What different education system? If he returned to
Glasgow at age of 5, he hadn't gone to school yet in new york city.
Never seen so many commercials. Other than that? Excellent
I find it very strange that when he is interviewing one of the guests, they are sitting so close to each other. Everyone of them, what’s up with that!
Obviously this interview was pre-Covid.
they are sitting closer than is usual, i agree, but a lot of it is also the effect of camera settings and lens choices
Fucking hell, the woman made an attempted rape charge against him, he is obviously a serial offender wiht a long string of previous crimes, and they BELIEVE HIM enough to say it was unproven?? People really hate women.
What a ridiculous thing to say 😕
That’s Scotland. Where women are 2nd class citizens.
"People really hate women." *Ignorant comment.*
@@ponderouspathfinder2175 "That’s Scotland. Where women are 2nd class citizens." *Another ignorant comment.*
It appears that way
Not the first . The first of Scotlands serial killers to correctly be called a serial killer . Serial killers have always been among us .
No discrimination against serial killers,please!
Good thing the justice system let him go. Well done!
I dont understand how he was free to commit these murders he showed the cops he was a repeat offender
But what about the Bean murders - wouldn’t they be classified as earlier serial murderers - Scottish - than Manuel? I would wager that there were many others too, going back in history.
Psychopaths don't "find it difficult to admit they've done something wrong."
They simply don't give a shit.
"Aggressive psychopath" you say?
Well then! Best let him go!
Anyone else like their theme song? I love the bass.
I'm confused 😕 It opens, saying he was born in New York, but then the 1st person talking about him, other than the 'narrator', I believe was Malcolm McLeod.
He says "he arrives 'back' in Scotland", etc. ??
Around 2:30 onwards. Wasn't that his 1st time there? I know the parents returned to Scotland, but wasn't that his 1st time living and going to school there?
Why do they always say, he became a loner. He was born a loner and later became famous for it...And for got sakes...We know you`r Fred..
Fred keeps on introducing himself… 😂
Omg the guy who is the narrator of worlds most evil killers…
The father obstructed justice by lying and providing alibis.
Bad seeds begin at conception. Evil and then the parents need hard consideration for such depravity.
"Bad seeds begin at conception." *Not true.*
@@billwilson5341 proof?
Scotland's first serial killer caught!
Second oldest profession in some countries!
Absolutely fascinating. I stumbled onto this via Brief Case ( highly recommend) - I went to Uddingston Grammar in the 1970s, I know Hamilton, East Kilbride, had relatives in Burnside. What’s even more spooky Joe Beltramy was our neighbour and we used to play with his boys. We, and other village children, used to play together as 7-12 year olds. It was strange seeing him on film. The other parents had a great deal of respect for him and his work. He dealt with some of the worst of the worst. I think his professional life must have very stressful at times, we knew nothing of this as children.
By the way, this predator returned to Scotland at FIVE, his accent by 6 would have been negligible. His “differences” hardly noticeable after a period of 6-12 months at that age. Most other children would have been delighted by the exotic “American “ boy, would have wanted to be his friend. He was damaged in other, more fundamental ways. The prison system recognised it. Police recognised it. Everyone recognised it. I’m not in favour of capital punishment, but in this instance? Mmmm.
He was someone who knows the place and was in front everyone most of the time, but they didn't realized it, so couldn't identify him and he knew it, but he's was always around talking and walking with his friends but when they comes, he would ran off to kill and come back like he didn't do anything, sometimes what you are looking for can be right in front of you, but you can't see, because you are looking in the wrong places.
Good comment. Punctuation would help.
It's only going to get worse. People are mad!
@@thegreencat9947 It's not the "social circumstances" that are the issue.
I can't understand why he keeps being released from prison after, in the USA, he would have been held for several years, if not life 😕.
It was the 1950's & even in the US at that time, unless he was a POC. He'd have gotten out because the police didn't have the forensic evidence to hold him.
Oh right, because the prison system works so well in the US 🙄
The US releases repeat offenders all the time. You need to watch more true crime shows
@@shaylatorch , actually I do watch them! Note: I said he "keeps"/repeatedly being released (not just once & back again). In the US, we have a "3 strikes" law which sends folks to prison for years...not just a couple of years and then back on the streets 😉.
@@grettagirl2884 *In the United States, Evil people are being released time and time and time again. Too many of them are serving no jail time at all!*
Who could this killer be? After releasing the worst psychopath they've ever seen. Terrible police work.
The guy was driving their car!! The police didn’t notice?
Driving the victim's car a giving a police officer a lift and that didn't constitute a clue. He spent days in the victims' house and left no finger prints??!! I'm sure there's something missing in this story!
In Australia the English Scottish and Irish committed the worse crimes against Humanity.
If they let him go they could’ve at least put 24/7 surveillance on him
Uddingston...it was Brainworming me. I have found my copy of the collected works of Robert Burns published by the Uddingston Burns Club. Anyone? 🤓
I remeber him i was about 14 at the time he was all over the newspapers for the longest time
Could you do a follow up about the parents
You dont know if he was the ''first'' in Scotland
Technically you are correct. First documented, perhaps. By no means first ever. 😕
Edited for misspelling technically.
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@@empressoftheknownuniverse Sawney Bean
@@thegreencat9947 There’s no actual evidence that Sawney Bean existed. It's prety evident that the English created the myth of Sawney Bean & company as anti Scottish propaganda.
At the time the Jacobite war & Bonnie Prince Charlie had only just taken place. & the German Hanoverian's were desperate to legitimise their position amongst the people. They may have had a legal claim but a lot of people including many Scott's saw it differently.
So the Hanoverian's in revenge for the Scottish uprising against them. On behalf of Bonnie Prince Charlie demonised the Scots. With black propaganda, & outlawed much of their cultural heritage. It wasn’t until Queen Victoria, 100 odd years layer hat the Scott's. Were allowed to reclaim some of their culture & heritage.
@@itwasagoodideaatthetime7980 O.K. But it's still a good story.💖🤝😊
What about Burke and Hare they killed 16 people in 1828 ish.
His mother made a statement: "He's a good boy, a very good boy".
At five years old he would not have any education in the U.S. then so what are they talking about. that he had a different education system
The mystery i want to know is how did he stab a horse or a cow that's large enough to really hurt him as a child?
I was raised on a farm around horses and cows. I've seen bad things happen to full size people who didn't pay attention around a horse.
The city should sue the law makers for letting a guy like that walk freely even with all the evidences.
"The city should sue the law makers..." Genius!
The authorities have themselves to blame for every killing after they knowingly released a serial killer, and should be prosecuted according!!!!!!
If he were a dog he would have been put to sleep by now for aggression
What happened to Bible John?
Maybe a video on him is well overdue.
Everyone telling this story is very pleased with themselves in the telling of the story. Is that a Scottish thing or an English thing?
What is the psychiatric rationale behind his inability to penetrate his early victims at age 16? He attacked 5 women but raped just one at age 28. He's obviously a sadist but doesn't penetrate all his female victims. Usually the sexual sadist is fulfilled by the completion of penetration excited by the profound violence and complete humiliation. He seemed to get the most satisfaction from the execution of his victims. That anomaly didn't seem to get an adequate explaination by the criminologist. Did his father share his sadistic characteristics? Maybe that's why he gave him so many alibis. He definitely had a grandiose ego in addition to being a sociopath.
His mother may have been a sadist who abused her sons.
Would love to have learned more about his family and childhood, because no way this behaviours came from nowhere. Not at all giving excuses for this man’s choices, but it would be helpful to find out what childhood dynamics created and/or cultivated these deviant behaviours.
Huge red flags:
🚩 a young child drawing pornographic images (that has to come from being exposed to, deliberately or accidentally via neglect, pornography, possibly even having it normalised in the home… along with a possibility of him being subjected to more ‘active’ forms of sexual abuse)
🚩 violent animal abuse in childhood - I know it was a different time and families may not have been able to afford to keep a ‘close eye’ on everything their kids get up to. But it would be very hard for a young child to hide signs like taking knives out of the home, coming home with unexplained cuts regularly, blood stains on themself or clothing. Knowing how he is later in life, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn if he even bragged about those acts to family and/or friends.
🚩 desire and sexual gratification from violence towards women - that speaks to me a very unhealthy relationship he developed from a young age with females in his life. Whether it’s caused by a significant issue between him and his mother (eg Ed Kemper) and/or witnessing violence towards women (likely father abusing his mother) and where such views are normalised and maybe even encouraged. His sexual impotence and inability to develop healthy relationships with women suggests that he was possibly shamed and made to feel impotent as a child/during puberty (eg if his mother or other female figures in his life cruelly belittled him esp with regards to the topic of dating and sex… could also be possible for his father to be dealing out the mockery while in context of sex, eg if he brought pornography and/or sex workers home and while exposing his son to that he mocked his son by saying that his son wouldn’t have the courage or ability to have sex with a woman. I wonder if his father asked him to participate in sexual violence in his presence but when the young boy refused or could not, then he got mocked… sadly wouldn’t be the first case of that I’ve heard of).
All speculation but certainly while this guy could have the genetics to make him susceptible to psychopathy and sadism, I would put money on there being some very significant abusive relationships and events being present in his early childhood that shaped him for his tendencies and actions later in life. I wish courts would go deeper into those in serial murders and other very significant cases so that historical abuse that very likely helped create the ‘monster’ is recognised and punished.