Always loved the oblique kick, and honestly feel like it's underused as just a push/press as opposed to a kick. Pushing with that oblique foot on the inside or outside of the knee is an easy way to topple someone over without causing damage
Yes thank you Sensei Iain, this is a great series you are sharing with us! I particularly like the logic behind this technique, I learned this kick when I was in Canada, and it is very useful close in. The kata you made is certainly coming together for us. I look forward to seeing the complete kata at the end. From what you have shown so far I think it flows well!
Very interesting technique. It's possible to derive it from many katas, Heian Yodan, Jion, (using the oblique kick instead of Mae geri), and even Tekki Shodan (Naihanchi). Very practical and effective. Thank you!
You mentioned that the roundhouse kick is relatively new to karate. What about the roundhouse kick in Muay Thai? Does that predate the karate version? Did karate incorporate the roundhouse from Muay Thai? Rick Roufus fought Kitsongrit in 1988 and Kitsongrit beat Roufus with only one kick, which was the round kick to the legs. Seems very effective. Hooe to see you at another UFAF convention.
Hi Iain, do you have any thoughts on what to do if your leg kick is VERY effective? So let's say you have a strong grip, and the surface you are fighting on is a little slippery (e.g wet pavement). Have you seen the kicked person essentially fall forward because their leg has been shunted out from under them? Do you think there's any possibility of them then grabbing at your lower extremities and tangling you so that escaping is difficult (even if it's only a panic reaction to falling rather than intentionally grappling)? Thanks for your great work making this material so accessible.
That is definitely possible … which is why we see counters to that potential in Saifa, Seisan, Hangetsu, etc. Ideally we want to move offline as they drop, but if we can’t, and the enemy lunges for the legs, we need way to deal with it.
The use of kicks in the old school seems to be primarily for low line attacks. Please give me your thoughts on the use of spinning back kicks for self defense purposes. I have never seen one in an old school kata and assume there are good reasons why. Thanks.
@practicalkatabunkai Ideally the person falling is not in a position to bearhug your legs and trip you, but even a one-handed hook around an ankle could make escape tricky. Also theoretically their entire back and head are exposed, but I doubt many of us train to bend forward at the waist and punch downwards. Stamping with the other foot (assuming it's free) seems the best option to me but that could be legally iffy.
The more I watch you (and a few others), the more I see Karate as this Tesla or Edison or whoever got his stuff stolen from who. "This is boxing" "This is wing chu" This is the art of arms and legs that people have been doing for millenia.
I can't tell you for sure (too much history), but here's a though: A spinning back kick is definitely a long range technique, which requires a lot of practice to mitigate the risks. I'm sure it had been tried before, but Karate mostly dealt with this close "infighting" as opposed to long range styles like styles of kickboxing. If you already are in clinch range and have begun neutralizing your opponent's weapons, you would have to give all that up for a back kick as it requires you to turn around and have at least enough room to chamber and fire the kick. If you use the kick at range then it's just a long range attack that does nothing to immobilize the attack or neutralize their attacking limbs. So in short, I think it's just not a very "Karate" style of attack. Interesting side note: I was told by an old Korean Master that even traditional Korean martial arts were not super fond of roundhouse kicks as you see them today
@sway71 Very interesting. The standing back kick to the rear has some merits. The low round kick to the legs seems to be number one. When I watched the YT video of Rick Roufus vs. Kitsongrit it was the only technique the Thai fighter used to win.
At the TKD school I trained at we practiced that kick. Called it a “stomp kick.”
Always loved the oblique kick, and honestly feel like it's underused as just a push/press as opposed to a kick. Pushing with that oblique foot on the inside or outside of the knee is an easy way to topple someone over without causing damage
love this series, thanks for uploading! I wonder if i can get the people at my dojo to try a handful of these :D
Yes thank you Sensei Iain, this is a great series you are sharing with us! I particularly like the logic behind this technique, I learned this kick when I was in Canada, and it is very useful close in. The kata you made is certainly coming together for us. I look forward to seeing the complete kata at the end. From what you have shown so far I think it flows well!
Very interesting technique. It's possible to derive it from many katas, Heian Yodan, Jion, (using the oblique kick instead of Mae geri), and even Tekki Shodan (Naihanchi). Very practical and effective. Thank you!
thanks Iain
This series had renewed my interests in Karate
Excelente!!! Oss!!!
You mentioned that the roundhouse kick is relatively new to karate. What about the roundhouse kick in Muay Thai? Does that predate the karate version? Did karate incorporate the roundhouse from Muay Thai? Rick Roufus fought Kitsongrit in 1988 and Kitsongrit beat Roufus with only one kick, which was the round kick to the legs. Seems very effective. Hooe to see you at another UFAF convention.
Hi Iain, do you have any thoughts on what to do if your leg kick is VERY effective? So let's say you have a strong grip, and the surface you are fighting on is a little slippery (e.g wet pavement). Have you seen the kicked person essentially fall forward because their leg has been shunted out from under them? Do you think there's any possibility of them then grabbing at your lower extremities and tangling you so that escaping is difficult (even if it's only a panic reaction to falling rather than intentionally grappling)? Thanks for your great work making this material so accessible.
That is definitely possible … which is why we see counters to that potential in Saifa, Seisan, Hangetsu, etc. Ideally we want to move offline as they drop, but if we can’t, and the enemy lunges for the legs, we need way to deal with it.
The use of kicks in the old school seems to be primarily for low line attacks. Please give me your thoughts on the use of spinning back kicks for self defense purposes. I have never seen one in an old school kata and assume there are good reasons why. Thanks.
@practicalkatabunkai Ideally the person falling is not in a position to bearhug your legs and trip you, but even a one-handed hook around an ankle could make escape tricky. Also theoretically their entire back and head are exposed, but I doubt many of us train to bend forward at the waist and punch downwards. Stamping with the other foot (assuming it's free) seems the best option to me but that could be legally iffy.
The more I watch you (and a few others), the more I see Karate as this Tesla or Edison or whoever got his stuff stolen from who.
"This is boxing"
"This is wing chu"
This is the art of arms and legs that people have been doing for millenia.
Indeed, we find common methods across the arts: ua-cam.com/video/GCa7nEMNclk/v-deo.htmlsi=pnVuMwe1mu9LkDbd
I dont see spinning back kicks in the old school katas. Is it because the use of them in real life altercations is too risky?
I can't tell you for sure (too much history), but here's a though: A spinning back kick is definitely a long range technique, which requires a lot of practice to mitigate the risks. I'm sure it had been tried before, but Karate mostly dealt with this close "infighting" as opposed to long range styles like styles of kickboxing. If you already are in clinch range and have begun neutralizing your opponent's weapons, you would have to give all that up for a back kick as it requires you to turn around and have at least enough room to chamber and fire the kick. If you use the kick at range then it's just a long range attack that does nothing to immobilize the attack or neutralize their attacking limbs. So in short, I think it's just not a very "Karate" style of attack.
Interesting side note: I was told by an old Korean Master that even traditional Korean martial arts were not super fond of roundhouse kicks as you see them today
@sway71 Very interesting. The standing back kick to the rear has some merits. The low round kick to the legs seems to be number one. When I watched the YT video of Rick Roufus vs. Kitsongrit it was the only technique the Thai fighter used to win.
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