Do like Lode mining or Placer mining. Let us know if you find the Chinese Drift mine we were talking about up at Osceola and if you want to see what that looks like , watch this video ua-cam.com/video/jmremdUg1hQ/v-deo.html and smash that like button ....SMASH it HARD !!!!!
I prefer placer mining. Lode mining is a lot more work, by far. I have lode and placer deposits on my claims. I only mess with the placer deposits. Good gold hunting! Take care.
I know of at least 2 mines near Oracle AZ. At one time there must have been a large group there definite signs of Chinese, nails everywhere; must have had a large fire. I found a very old Chinese vase and another important clue--broken perfume bottles.
That small-scale model you did of a creek was brilliant. I'll never forget it. Thanks again for all you do and the positivity you bring to this world. We need it
When i worked for ERI outside of Searchlight, we found an old Chinese dig. Complete with skeleton of him and his tools and gun. Had been covered up for years. A big flood came along,a real gully washer,and exposed his old camp. Was so cool. The old guy finally got a proper burial.
Osceola. My heart. 90s bob osland owned the big claim I was a 30 yr old green horn nuggets in his tromel as big as his hand. I did not touch I felt honored. He told me they had just ran everything above the road that cut his claim in half. Go work the road. I found a handful of big clunkers the biggest was 32 grams I showed them to bob. Expecting him to take them. He smiled. Do you have the fever ? He asked. Bob was a good guy. Stayed in a camper in the old townsite. He was 50 then. If he's alive he'd be 90. I'll see him again. Good folks have a place on God's creek in heaven. I hope i make it. Osceola. Jeff I never thought you'd give up the honey hole. That's why in my earlier chats 3 years ago and before I always refered to it as the big 0. The largest nugget ever in Nevada history came from there. 86 pounds. It was immediately melted and I've been in those Chinese mines. Immaculate to this day cleaned floors like it's concrete stacked rocks like a rock wall. Precision. Not like us. Race though things with excavators anyway i lit up when you said the big O⁵
Hi Rick , we knew you would like that ...... we know Bob and have worked some of his claims .... good times my brother and thanks for sharing ....we have also worked with Lynn up there on Bobs claim and have found massive Gold as well ...... there are so many Chinese drift mines up there you can't count them all ...I remember that 86 pound nugget ....stuff dreams are made of ....
Thanks for sharing your story with us. It's stories like that, that explain a lot about folks like Jeff and Pops. Good people who love the hunt as much as finding the pay streak and don't mind sharing their knowledge with green horns.
@beepseatsfindingfoodtreasu8756 I was lucky. We didn't have you tube back then. But old timers took me with them. Stay humble be appreciative of the knowledge your being given. Respect the land. Remember karma is like Kahn's wrath. It's a terrible thing to be following you. Times are different now. Way more people. And government restrictions. Why government restrictions you ask. Because some dummy ruined it for all of us. Respect the land and know it can kill you and your momma isn't there to pick up your trash. Good luck out there and Jeff is giving free classes every week. And he's not like any other channel. Everything that he and his beautiful wife lila get they give it all away. All of it. And boocoo other stuff. Nobody does that. So enjoy your ride. It's golden
That creek model you created was really cool Jeff. I always enjoy watching your channel n seeing your high energy. Thanks for this medicine to help cure my gold fever 🤒 👍💪👊⚒️⚒️
Jeff I have to say u sir r one of modern day best prospector n miner I have ever seen,I live about 15 miles from dahlonega ga n I thank u for all teachings..hope u find the motherlode cause of anyone can it will b u.
Wow! all are some great and easy idea's to get that shinny...Really like that you show the area of surrounding veins and the cleaning out the cracks...thks again Jeff. Happy Thanks Giving
Thanks for having an outdoor classroom experiment again. Sharing all this knowledge makes richer prospectors . Why isn’t Slim in any of your school videos 😊. Hi Lila 😊
Wish you could give me a crash course on dry washing. I found plenty of videos but I just never done it. Been dredging and using wet systems for years ,but my new claim is dry and rich. Worth learning how to dry mine
Most of the stuff around Osceola is so deep you can't detect it well. Still, I know one guy who used to live in Ely, he had luck detecting since he knew the lay of the land well and was out there for years. Still one of the more challenging places in NV to come up with detected gold.
I really enjoy these 'exploring old mines' videos Jeff. Plenty of old diggings here in Australia and these Chinese drifts are the spookiest and most fun 😊
@@Askjeffwilliams I wonder if a largemouth bass would appreciate them, I'll take a dozen, if you dig I'm up! Lol! Put 'em in a bag of that pay dirt! Lol! 🤣
Mr. Jeff Williams... you are so extremely fun to watch and have all the great insights on prospecting... might sound like a broken record but I don't care about all that... lol... so I am an old timer and have been digging super rare old bottles forever but recently gave it up because of major abuse on my body... lol... can't sit around and do nothing when there's treasure out there... lol... so I've been homeless for the last seven months but it's okay because I'm healing and trying to find a fun new direction... made it to Florida now and loving it but would love to experience your madness of finding shiny nuggets for first time... so would you ever require an extra hand to help you get to the mother lode in any way... I'm still super strong and very capable of handling any project??
How about a brecciated zone between the hanging walls and vein the replacement or deposit is quartz in a green schist type material. I wish you could see this Jeff.
Thanks for another awesome video! Was thinking about coming to Nevada for a vacation and to look for nuggets. Just have to figure out how to get my metal detector on the airplane, lol.
Ok Dan Hurd's video is done now on to Jeff's. Wish you guys could put them out at different times. Would make it nice to have a gold video morning one after an other. Dan's live chat is so cool, nice to talk to the group and Dan too. Ever think about doing a live chat on video premiers Jeff?
Hey Jeff, I bought a home in Sugar Hill, Georgia and the subdivision was once prospected for gold in the 1800's. I was told by a local who used to live in my area and she tells me it could be a mine in my backyard that had been buried. My backyard has a lot of large divots but one in particular seems to get deeper over the years. Could it be one of those Chinese mine such as the one you're showing on this episode? I've considered digging but am afraid I'll fall in.🤔
Hey Jeff I know you always "keep your nose in the wind, and your eyes along the skyline" Del Gue, do you ever come across crystals (besides gypsum) quarts, amethyst?
I have a shop vacuum with a hose similar to the one you are using in this video. The hose develops a respectable static charge that keeps you on your toes around saw dust. Sparks, you know. Anyway, do you wash that hose out later? If the dry washer mat uses static electricity, it makes me wonder if something similar isn't happening in the hose as well.
Awesome video! Do you have an estimate of how many ounces of gold you have found in your whole lifetime? Cause it sure seems like there’s some good gold wherever you are!
How can I get printed USGS maps of my local area? I have found on the USGS site the GAM19 SantaAna 1965 map which looks like it has a LOT of useful data. But having it in hand held map/book form would be useful for my explorations.
Q. Gold in crystal and Tin mines at Torrington NSW? . I think I'm seeing flakes and pickers when I chip at my Crystal seàm. I hear it's usually lower and not in crystal layers. ? Should I check all crystal seams for gold contact zones .am I missing riches in gold for all my hard digging?
You are such a crack-up, I love it. Great episode, I really needed this science class😊 I need to get my Keene dry washer out. I had it for two years and haven’t used it once. Jonathan is really good using it in Gold Canyon. Gaiters maker great dust masks, and it protects my neck from the sun and slows up the turkey neck process 🤣🤣 Take care hero.
Has Jonathan had any luck finding gold out there? I'm on the other side in AJ. I found really good specimens by my place but I haven't had enough $$ to get a dry washer or rock crusher to process my samples.
@ Hi, yes, Jonathan and I have always gotten gold there. Jonathan runs his material through the dry wash into a gold pan, then runs it through the dry wash again. I will take samples of the double run tailings and pan it out to see if we missed anything. I have never gotten enough shiny to make an effort to go through the double run tailings. Which for us lays to rest that the dry wash loses up to 30% of gold. I normally run the electric jack hammer off a generator while Jonathan feeds the dry wash. As for the dry wash and rock crusher, it’s worth every effort to save, work extra hours, sell things etc. to get these tools to enhance your prospecting and mining and of course a Gold Monster 1000. We also use a Bauer cordless shop vac for crevices. Enjoy and live the dream 💪🏻
Glad i have titanium underpants and i watch your video which is awesome Jeff...my 3rd pair of pants blew straight to the Kuiperbelt in space...now the greys 👽will go after them! Greetings from the Netherlands Jeff and Lila 🎉😂
Well I must get in my boat take a car ride across America Walk miles and find that Chinese drift mine So hold my beer 🍺 lol lol Nicely done Sony jim lol Cheers 🍻 guys CrouchOz
15 min 11 sec into video jeff says he doesn't see anything, ( meaning gold ) couple seconds later you hear him say do the Williams Wiggle, POW ,SMASH BOOM SHAZAM THE UNIVERSE PROVIDES GOLD , REMEMBER ALL THE WILLIAMS WIGGLE IS REAL !!!! GOD BLESS ALL, BE SAFE
11:32 I don't get it. You don't test what you are throwing away. If there's multiple targets in that scoop, your method may lose all but 1. Tip some into your hand, float hand over detector, toss if no sound. Everything is then in the scoop.
How do you know it was a chinese drift mine and not an Irish or Italian drift mine ?? and don't tell me because the tailings pile looked like the Great Wall
Do like Lode mining or Placer mining. Let us know if you find the Chinese Drift mine we were talking about up at Osceola and if you want to see what that looks like , watch this video ua-cam.com/video/jmremdUg1hQ/v-deo.html and smash that like button ....SMASH it HARD !!!!!
I prefer placer mining. Lode mining is a lot more work, by far. I have lode and placer deposits on my claims. I only mess with the placer deposits. Good gold hunting! Take care.
Yeah someone has already cleaned the bottom of that waterfall? I seen the guy clean it out you just need to go look in the mirror there Jeff LOL
I know of at least 2 mines near Oracle AZ. At one time there must have been a large group there definite signs of Chinese, nails everywhere; must have had a large fire. I found a very old Chinese vase and another important clue--broken perfume bottles.
That small-scale model you did of a creek was brilliant. I'll never forget it. Thanks again for all you do and the positivity you bring to this world. We need it
When i worked for ERI outside of Searchlight, we found an old Chinese dig. Complete with skeleton of him and his tools and gun. Had been covered up for years. A big flood came along,a real gully washer,and exposed his old camp. Was so cool. The old guy finally got a proper burial.
If i ever get depressed. I just watch your vids Dude.
rock on my brother
Osceola. My heart. 90s bob osland owned the big claim I was a 30 yr old green horn nuggets in his tromel as big as his hand. I did not touch I felt honored. He told me they had just ran everything above the road that cut his claim in half. Go work the road. I found a handful of big clunkers the biggest was 32 grams I showed them to bob. Expecting him to take them. He smiled. Do you have the fever ? He asked. Bob was a good guy. Stayed in a camper in the old townsite. He was 50 then. If he's alive he'd be 90. I'll see him again. Good folks have a place on God's creek in heaven. I hope i make it. Osceola. Jeff I never thought you'd give up the honey hole. That's why in my earlier chats 3 years ago and before I always refered to it as the big 0. The largest nugget ever in Nevada history came from there. 86 pounds. It was immediately melted and I've been in those Chinese mines. Immaculate to this day cleaned floors like it's concrete stacked rocks like a rock wall. Precision. Not like us. Race though things with excavators anyway i lit up when you said the big O⁵
Hi Rick , we knew you would like that ...... we know Bob and have worked some of his claims .... good times my brother and thanks for sharing ....we have also worked with Lynn up there on Bobs claim and have found massive Gold as well ...... there are so many Chinese drift mines up there you can't count them all ...I remember that 86 pound nugget ....stuff dreams are made of ....
Thanks for sharing your story with us. It's stories like that, that explain a lot about folks like Jeff and Pops. Good people who love the hunt as much as finding the pay streak and don't mind sharing their knowledge with green horns.
@beepseatsfindingfoodtreasu8756 I was lucky. We didn't have you tube back then. But old timers took me with them. Stay humble be appreciative of the knowledge your being given. Respect the land. Remember karma is like Kahn's wrath. It's a terrible thing to be following you. Times are different now. Way more people. And government restrictions. Why government restrictions you ask. Because some dummy ruined it for all of us. Respect the land and know it can kill you and your momma isn't there to pick up your trash. Good luck out there and Jeff is giving free classes every week. And he's not like any other channel. Everything that he and his beautiful wife lila get they give it all away. All of it. And boocoo other stuff. Nobody does that. So enjoy your ride. It's golden
Osceola mining and its water ditches are another remarkable story of the effort and ingenuity of those early miners. Talk about inspiring…
That creek model you created was really cool Jeff. I always enjoy watching your channel n seeing your high energy. Thanks for this medicine to help cure my gold fever 🤒 👍💪👊⚒️⚒️
More fun time in the desert thanks Jeff
I wish I had a friend like Jeff
Not that I'll ever do this, but it's still interesting to learn something.
Thanks! Your channel rocks!!
thanks Susan
Jeff I have to say u sir r one of modern day best prospector n miner I have ever seen,I live about 15 miles from dahlonega ga n I thank u for all teachings..hope u find the motherlode cause of anyone can it will b u.
thanks David
Thank you Jeff @@Askjeffwilliams
Wow! all are some great and easy idea's to get that shinny...Really like that you show the area of surrounding veins and the cleaning out the cracks...thks again Jeff. Happy Thanks Giving
you betcha Michael, glad you liked it
TY for sharing!!! God Bless!!!
C'mon, Jeff, let's Go Find Some Gold! Sunday morning gold strike, is right here!
That's how to get it done indeed fam. Loads of great info always 😊. Keep on having fun getting that Au and living the dream. Gold Squad Out 🤠
thanks
Great stuff again!! I Like it!! Thanks!!!!
I want to find some gold too !!! ⛏🎧 and you know i`m smashing that like button hard 👍👍
hahahahha you find Gold all the time my brother .... we need to get out and use that excavator for some serious Gold .....now smash it again
Thank's Jeff I'm enjoying watching dry sifting and panning Au fun times!!!; )
thats great Richard
Great Tip Jeff !
Thanks for having an outdoor classroom experiment again. Sharing all this knowledge makes richer prospectors . Why isn’t Slim in any of your school videos 😊. Hi Lila 😊
you betcha Tina ....... he was my teacher
@@Askjeffwilliams oh,, no wonder he’s out playing
Those old chinese miners were brilliant, I never would have thought to knock in riffles into a pan or had the knowledge to make a drift mine.
WOW I HEARD YOU MENTION ELY MY DAD MY BROTHER AND ME USED TO GO DEER HUNTING UP AROUND MT. ELY BACK IN THE 70’S BEAUTIFUL PLACE ❤
yes it is
LIKE!!!УДАЧИ ДЖЕФФ!!!
Great fun video!! Those little flakes would bring a smile to my face. 😊 As always, great gold prospecting tips and tricks. 👍
I love This show. it's like my saturday morning cartoons
thanks
Placer gold will always just LIDAR unless a big flood moves it.
I had to read that twice before I got it.
Wish you could give me a crash course on dry washing. I found plenty of videos but I just never done it. Been dredging and using wet systems for years ,but my new claim is dry and rich. Worth learning how to dry mine
try this video ...you will love it ua-cam.com/video/0d_PUUTTLWo/v-deo.html
So come on… let’s GOOOO!
Most of the stuff around Osceola is so deep you can't detect it well. Still, I know one guy who used to live in Ely, he had luck detecting since he knew the lay of the land well and was out there for years. Still one of the more challenging places in NV to come up with detected gold.
I really enjoy these 'exploring old mines' videos Jeff. Plenty of old diggings here in Australia and these Chinese drifts are the spookiest and most fun 😊
but they can have the most Gold in them
I think you meant hydrodynamics, I love that episode.
Hey Jeff, good Sunday brunch morning! Your Chinese drift mine must be the only one with my buddies 🪱🪱🪱! Lol! ⛏️⚒️💪👍🤠
hahahhha only one we know of
@@Askjeffwilliams I wonder if a largemouth bass would appreciate them, I'll take a dozen, if you dig I'm up! Lol! Put 'em in a bag of that pay dirt! Lol! 🤣
Mr. Jeff Williams... you are so extremely fun to watch and have all the great insights on prospecting... might sound like a broken record but I don't care about all that... lol... so I am an old timer and have been digging super rare old bottles forever but recently gave it up because of major abuse on my body... lol... can't sit around and do nothing when there's treasure out there... lol... so I've been homeless for the last seven months but it's okay because I'm healing and trying to find a fun new direction... made it to Florida now and loving it but would love to experience your madness of finding shiny nuggets for first time... so would you ever require an extra hand to help you get to the mother lode in any way... I'm still super strong and very capable of handling any project??
Hey Jeff, I am not a miner but love the channel. Have you ever tried adding a dust separator to your shop vac like used in woodworking? 👍😎
Thanks brother!
you betcha Bradley
How about a brecciated zone between the hanging walls and vein the replacement or deposit is quartz in a green schist type material. I wish you could see this Jeff.
Good morning everybody!
good morning Ed
Thanks Guys for the adventure and schooling Stay safe And. GOD bless. TANK
It is our favourite Gold guy. ❤
Thank you for sharing brother. Be safe 🙏
you betcha my brother
Another great video Jeff 👍
thanks
So Come on .Lets Goooooooooo !
The man and his General 😊
Love it when Jeff drops into Prof. Geology jaw jacking mode …
Thanks for another awesome video! Was thinking about coming to Nevada for a vacation and to look for nuggets. Just have to figure out how to get my metal detector on the airplane, lol.
you betcha and just tell them it identifies as a head cushion
Good morning thanks Jeff
good morning and you betcha
Ok Dan Hurd's video is done now on to Jeff's. Wish you guys could put them out at different times. Would make it nice to have a gold video morning one after an other. Dan's live chat is so cool, nice to talk to the group and Dan too. Ever think about doing a live chat on video premiers Jeff?
yes we have ....just need to set it up
Hey Jeff, I bought a home in Sugar Hill, Georgia and the subdivision was once prospected for gold in the 1800's. I was told by a local who used to live in my area and she tells me it could be a mine in my backyard that had been buried. My backyard has a lot of large divots but one in particular seems to get deeper over the years. Could it be one of those Chinese mine such as the one you're showing on this episode? I've considered digging but am afraid I'll fall in.🤔
its possible and you can always rope off and dig it so you down fall in
Hey Jeff I know you always "keep your nose in the wind, and your eyes along the skyline" Del Gue, do you ever come across crystals (besides gypsum) quarts, amethyst?
I have a shop vacuum with a hose similar to the one you are using in this video. The hose develops a respectable static charge that keeps you on your toes around saw dust. Sparks, you know. Anyway, do you wash that hose out later? If the dry washer mat uses static electricity, it makes me wonder if something similar isn't happening in the hose as well.
I know....right ....yes we wash it after every outing
Awesome video! Do you have an estimate of how many ounces of gold you have found in your whole lifetime? Cause it sure seems like there’s some good gold wherever you are!
Already smashed the like button.
Morning guys
good morning John
Your poor little wife. Lol your Nuts . Lol
Good morning from Southeast South Dakota
good morning SWM
Enough to buy cup coffee!😊
Nice Video Jeff 🤠⛏️ Great Information 👍 Thank you for sharing with us 🙏 God Bless
you betcha
"AU" let's go 👍
I saw Slime walking the Hill to the top of the placer gold drift mine on my left view over Jeffs Shoulder at 8 minutes and 40 seconds.
I saw that to
Great video..
Hi Jeff, thanks :)
hey Ryan
How can I get printed USGS maps of my local area? I have found on the USGS site the GAM19 SantaAna 1965 map which looks like it has a LOT of useful data. But having it in hand held map/book form would be useful for my explorations.
Q. Gold in crystal and Tin mines at Torrington NSW? . I think I'm seeing flakes and pickers when I chip at my Crystal seàm. I hear it's usually lower and not in crystal layers. ? Should I check all crystal seams for gold contact zones .am I missing riches in gold for all my hard digging?
I would check it
👍
What's your opinion on the fisher pulse pin pointer?
its pretty good and we will be doing a review on that here in a few
@Askjeffwilliams I was thinking of getting that fisher pi or the xp MI or both, I just hate charging stuff lol
You are such a crack-up, I love it. Great episode, I really needed this science class😊 I need to get my Keene dry washer out. I had it for two years and haven’t used it once. Jonathan is really good using it in Gold Canyon. Gaiters maker great dust masks, and it protects my neck from the sun and slows up the turkey neck process 🤣🤣 Take care hero.
they are really good machines ...easy to set up ...never thought about using gaiters for that ....thanks Ernie
Has Jonathan had any luck finding gold out there? I'm on the other side in AJ. I found really good specimens by my place but I haven't had enough $$ to get a dry washer or rock crusher to process my samples.
@ You got it my brother 💪🏻
@ Hi, yes, Jonathan and I have always gotten gold there. Jonathan runs his material through the dry wash into a gold pan, then runs it through the dry wash again. I will take samples of the double run tailings and pan it out to see if we missed anything. I have never gotten enough shiny to make an effort to go through the double run tailings. Which for us lays to rest that the dry wash loses up to 30% of gold. I normally run the electric jack hammer off a generator while Jonathan feeds the dry wash. As for the dry wash and rock crusher, it’s worth every effort to save, work extra hours, sell things etc. to get these tools to enhance your prospecting and mining and of course a Gold Monster 1000. We also use a Bauer cordless shop vac for crevices. Enjoy and live the dream 💪🏻
How far East on Hwy 50 from Major's Station Bar & Grill? 9.9 miles?
Glad i have titanium underpants and i watch your video which is awesome Jeff...my 3rd pair of pants blew straight to the Kuiperbelt in space...now the greys 👽will go after them! Greetings from the Netherlands Jeff and Lila 🎉😂
hahahahahha I wonder if they make a Kryptonite pair of underpants
Kryptonite are in my socks...and those socks are on the moon Jeff...🌪👙☄️👍
Jeff Williams for BGMOAT 2024. Best gold miner of all time😂🎉
and I approve this message
Well I must get in my boat take a car ride across America
Walk miles and find that Chinese drift mine
So hold my beer 🍺 lol lol
Nicely done Sony jim lol
Cheers 🍻 guys
CrouchOz
Im at jalama beach i have a vein just up the creek a few bends an gaspers creek is my original claim
Bring Marijuana products Marlboro reds an 2liter mtn dews
Can of top rolling tobacco
15 min 11 sec into video jeff says he doesn't see anything, ( meaning gold ) couple seconds later you hear him say do the Williams Wiggle, POW ,SMASH BOOM SHAZAM THE UNIVERSE PROVIDES GOLD , REMEMBER ALL THE WILLIAMS WIGGLE IS REAL !!!! GOD BLESS ALL, BE SAFE
hi jeff, here is my question- F these veins are as obvious as they appear to be WHY has no one "claimed" the area?
that is a good question so we may have to claim it
And hitt that button HAAAAAAAAAARD....
now hit it again hahhahahhaa
At least with a dry washer you don't have to worry about getting wet😂 great video see you next week ✌️👍🙂
I thought all that Osceola was all claimed up but it's been a few years since I checked it
nope there is still some open land there
Hello Jeff it's Charlie from Alamogordo New Mexico home of Egypt
Hi Charlie
Good morning Jeff whats uppp So comon lets Goooooooo
good morning Dirt Blaster
What type gps do you use?
Garmin
FYI the Jewelers Loupe link to amazon is broke..
we will fix that
Hey Jeff.u forgot your Mask !😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I know...right
Ikut menyìmak kawan luabiasa🖒🖒
How do you teach in your country?
I like all the jaw jacking and science class stuff Jeff!!!
11:32 I don't get it. You don't test what you are throwing away. If there's multiple targets in that scoop, your method may lose all but 1. Tip some into your hand, float hand over detector, toss if no sound. Everything is then in the scoop.
Dude, in all that dust the only thing I could think of was that I think you left your windows down!
I doubt that the Chinese miners could keep up with Jeff! If you could mine enthusiasm i'd place a claim on the Williams strike!
You got a claim jumper at 8:40 or is that the wife?
I know...right
Hey Jeff .Who needs A Gym ! When u could be a Gold miner !
exactly
Ya clay is really difficult but maybe put it in a tub or pond and rinse it out see where it goes?
You didn't talk about the green rock in the red rock
long story short it has started to change into Greenschists by regional metamorphism
Hi you have to get to know about shiaa
You forgot to tell us what is the relationship between basalt and the green color.. I was waiting to hear your explanation 😢
long story short it has started to change into Greenschists by regional metamorphism
U had me at chinese
Quit jaw jack get it done!❤
💪
Yeah! And your going to get wet! I mean dry!
How do you know it was a chinese drift mine and not an Irish or Italian drift mine ?? and don't tell me because the tailings pile
looked like the Great Wall
hahhhahahahaaa
PS: Maybe the bigger gold is deeper.