@@mattyryon They nerfed some things in his kit yes but these 2 are really good for him: - Grey Talon: Fire Rate now scales with Spirit (0.25) - Grey Talon: Can now use multiple air dashes while using Rain of Fire - essentially when you do your full spirit build you have an auto attack that matters now + you are able to be super mobile using your 2nd ability with dashes now making your 1st ability much more deadly.. all in all he is buffed because of these things because he becomes more useful during teamfights and laning phase rather then a hot air balloon stuck in the sky :)
@@13lacklightYT the 0.25 scaling is very little, Warden gets even more than that AFTER his nerf to the scaling. The Talon changes were overall very big nerfs, since he lost 10 base damage off the charged shot, the collision size was made smaller for it, and his trap was pretty much deleted from existence since it only immobilizes half as long and just slows the other half. It is not an "all in all buff" it is a pretty substantial nerf, and it moved his WR down to the bottom 3 even
Thanks for the vid, small bit of advice. Usually for tier list videos, you showcase an image of the tierlist as you add to it, so that autists like me can just skip to either the character you just added to hear your thoughts on them or skip to the end to see the whole tier list.. Nod or shake their head, and drop you a thumbs up/thumbs down and move on.
Idk what it is with Paradox but she just feels extremely weak. The only time she's strong is when she's able to constantly gank and assist with kills but later just falls of heavily. Her first ability is really weird, never gotten any value from it outside of some poke dmg and wave clear. I feel like she could be a very cool hero with some changes to her kit. The concept is there tho.
A lot of her kit just can't compare with others.. her ultimate puts her into a dangerous position.. I think it would be really cool if she could swap with allies in her ultimate but again I don't think that is a huge fix. Feels like she just needs some changes but overall in a 1v1 she is most deadly but in a 6v6 she becomes infinitely weaker. Pocket to be is just a superior pick over her! It's unfortunate because she is quite a cool hero in terms of design and look!
@@ChocliOG yeah her main combo is wall then ulti so they swap into the wall and then shoot while they are slowed.. a great combo but so hard to setup in team fights etc.
@@13lacklightYTSeven and Warden are good against new players but weak against players who know to build stun and mobility to counter them. Wraith is probably A tier
@@ehombre Seven has one of the most craziest early game presences, he gets a free stun and a first ability to follow it up.. his whole kit is insane.. and again he forces you to essentially buy an item to make him less useful, just shows how powerful he truly is...
Yes but now Seven can ultimate with unstoppable which then nullifies knockdown.. he is still a very strong pick.. he will definitely be getting picked in ranked matches unless he gets nerfed to the ground. His lane presence is very strong as well.
4:21 Nobody ever said he is S tier lol. He's probably one of the worst in the game and most people would agree. He has the lowest pickrate of the WHOLE roster and the 3rd lowest winrate.
Viscous can literally 1 shot a squishy hero mid/late game with Ult + 1 + 1. He does a ton of damage, I really don't get the take that he's lacking in damage 😶🌫
@@Luizfernando-dm2rf I’m yet to ever see him one shot anyone - also in ranked or in a semi competitive environment people will build correctly .. atm he is just an annoying early game laner with general good durability but doesn’t have the ability to fully carry and snowball games. Compared to other heroes kits he doesn’t offer too much and he certainly doesn’t fit the S tier yet.. but again only my opinion
“Shiv gets so many kills!” Yeah lmost like hes the best at stealing them in the game lmao. Bleed CAN BE CLEANSED WITH ITEMS, YOU CANNOT CLEANSE VINDICTAS BLEED BECAUSE IT IS NOT AN EFFECT.
@@vombat0142 unfortunately it’s not an item tier list,. Although metal skin is a great item, haze is still very good right now. Metal skin is awesome though
Vin is the best character in the game by far, geist is shit. Abrams is good at stomping new players, warden is bad if you buy a single speed item, paradox and gooball are shit, mo is shit, ivy is shit, wraith, GT, shiv, bebop pocket, are all good. Mcginnis is great. Yamato is shit. Seven is fine. Kelvin is just annoying. Haze is fine i guess, you just press 4 and hope most of the time. Lash is by far the fastest character in the game making him really good. Professor is shit.
@@TheDwent i hate vindicta really. People saying shes bad because of tracklock are braindead. She has the strongest kit in the game by far. If noone has items vindicta beats EVERYONE in a 1v1 no questions asked. Lowest falloff damage besides GT. An ult with theoretically unlimited range that allows her to forgo farming creeps. An insane movement ability.
Gray Talon moves up to A tier, has received some good buffs and can do some serious damage. Still not S tier imo.
It was a nerf though lol
@@mattyryon They nerfed some things in his kit yes but these 2 are really good for him: - Grey Talon: Fire Rate now scales with Spirit (0.25)
- Grey Talon: Can now use multiple air dashes while using Rain of Fire - essentially when you do your full spirit build you have an auto attack that matters now + you are able to be super mobile using your 2nd ability with dashes now making your 1st ability much more deadly.. all in all he is buffed because of these things because he becomes more useful during teamfights and laning phase rather then a hot air balloon stuck in the sky :)
@@13lacklightYT the 0.25 scaling is very little, Warden gets even more than that AFTER his nerf to the scaling. The Talon changes were overall very big nerfs, since he lost 10 base damage off the charged shot, the collision size was made smaller for it, and his trap was pretty much deleted from existence since it only immobilizes half as long and just slows the other half. It is not an "all in all buff" it is a pretty substantial nerf, and it moved his WR down to the bottom 3 even
@@mattyryon maybe my B tier placement was all in all correct haha
Thanks for the vid, small bit of advice. Usually for tier list videos, you showcase an image of the tierlist as you add to it, so that autists like me can just skip to either the character you just added to hear your thoughts on them or skip to the end to see the whole tier list.. Nod or shake their head, and drop you a thumbs up/thumbs down and move on.
Will definitely get this done for the next tier list video.. I appreciate the advice more then you know.
Idk what it is with Paradox but she just feels extremely weak.
The only time she's strong is when she's able to constantly gank and assist with kills but later just falls of heavily.
Her first ability is really weird, never gotten any value from it outside of some poke dmg and wave clear.
I feel like she could be a very cool hero with some changes to her kit. The concept is there tho.
paradox is insane but really hard to play and do well with cus most of her abilities are skill shots and if you cant land them shes useless
A lot of her kit just can't compare with others.. her ultimate puts her into a dangerous position.. I think it would be really cool if she could swap with allies in her ultimate but again I don't think that is a huge fix. Feels like she just needs some changes but overall in a 1v1 she is most deadly but in a 6v6 she becomes infinitely weaker. Pocket to be is just a superior pick over her! It's unfortunate because she is quite a cool hero in terms of design and look!
@@ChocliOG yeah her main combo is wall then ulti so they swap into the wall and then shoot while they are slowed.. a great combo but so hard to setup in team fights etc.
This is some low elo tier list
@@PapaBearster again just my opinion, appreciate your comment though. What do you think is incorrect - curious to hear your side
@@13lacklightYTSeven and Warden are good against new players but weak against players who know to build stun and mobility to counter them. Wraith is probably A tier
@@ehombre Seven has one of the most craziest early game presences, he gets a free stun and a first ability to follow it up.. his whole kit is insane.. and again he forces you to essentially buy an item to make him less useful, just shows how powerful he truly is...
@@13lacklightYTthe most widely known thing about the game is that Seven is a noob stomper…
Yes but now Seven can ultimate with unstoppable which then nullifies knockdown.. he is still a very strong pick.. he will definitely be getting picked in ranked matches unless he gets nerfed to the ground. His lane presence is very strong as well.
4:21 Nobody ever said he is S tier lol. He's probably one of the worst in the game and most people would agree. He has the lowest pickrate of the WHOLE roster and the 3rd lowest winrate.
it was a joke my guy haha.. but yes.. he certaintly is annoying early but doesn't hold up through mid to late game.. he got some nice buffs though!
Viscous can literally 1 shot a squishy hero mid/late game with Ult + 1 + 1. He does a ton of damage, I really don't get the take that he's lacking in damage 😶🌫
@@Luizfernando-dm2rf I’m yet to ever see him one shot anyone - also in ranked or in a semi competitive environment people will build correctly .. atm he is just an annoying early game laner with general good durability but doesn’t have the ability to fully carry and snowball games. Compared to other heroes kits he doesn’t offer too much and he certainly doesn’t fit the S tier yet.. but again only my opinion
“Shiv gets so many kills!” Yeah lmost like hes the best at stealing them in the game lmao. Bleed CAN BE CLEANSED WITH ITEMS, YOU CANNOT CLEANSE VINDICTAS BLEED BECAUSE IT IS NOT AN EFFECT.
very cool to know! yep i think items like debuff remover are essential against heroes like shiv and infernus.. thanks for the info!
forgot about haze vs metal skin
@@vombat0142 unfortunately it’s not an item tier list,. Although metal skin is a great item, haze is still very good right now. Metal skin is awesome though
If everything is S tier then nothing is S tier.
@@Broomtwo good take 🤞
Vin is the best character in the game by far, geist is shit. Abrams is good at stomping new players, warden is bad if you buy a single speed item, paradox and gooball are shit, mo is shit, ivy is shit, wraith, GT, shiv, bebop pocket, are all good. Mcginnis is great. Yamato is shit. Seven is fine. Kelvin is just annoying. Haze is fine i guess, you just press 4 and hope most of the time. Lash is by far the fastest character in the game making him really good. Professor is shit.
Seems like you do t like this game 😂
@@TheDwent i hate vindicta really. People saying shes bad because of tracklock are braindead. She has the strongest kit in the game by far. If noone has items vindicta beats EVERYONE in a 1v1 no questions asked. Lowest falloff damage besides GT. An ult with theoretically unlimited range that allows her to forgo farming creeps. An insane movement ability.
lol oh boy, you know nothing..
@@Exemyy id poo ill over in lane on vin “oh but tracklock!” Soldier syndrome
@@Exemyy Going to have to agree with this comment.. meaning yours @exemyy