KPOP IDOL secrets they WON'T tell you to look "PERFECT" 👀
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
- Ever wonder about the secret world of kpop beauty? Today we're sharing some of the most interesting treatments & tweakments korean kpop celebrities do to get that oh-so-desirable natural look. From the face to the body, there are areas you might not have even thought of changing... let us know what your thoughts are on beauty and the beauty standards below!
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Thanks for sharing the realities behind the industry. these “natural” beauties isn’t what we think
Anyone that actively claims natural beauty is the complete opposite usually 😹
I primarily work with celebrities and the ultra wealthy in my cosmetic dermatology practice. The amount of effort and procedures they talk about are actually a massive understatement for the amount of work and what gets done. One example, nearly every idol gets facial contouring, particularly a fat transfer to cheeks, forehead, and sometimes even the chin. Why? Aside from it making the face more youthful and people underestimating how much the "blank" areas of your face (ie. Areas without specific features like the eyes, nose, and mouth) play a role in how you look, the main reason is so that idols can be dangerously underweight while not having their faces be gaunt.
U mean same like in america and Western world and muslims country middle east with all fillers, implants, bbl, botox yeah
Well even after all this video the fans who worships their idol will denied it my cousin is a huge red velvet Irene and blackpink Jennie fan and she doesn't accept anything negetive abt them like if u say I like lisa more than Jennie she starts arguing calling her ugly etc we are really worried abt her
@@TheLurkingDermWow, that last bit explains a lot. Except it seems like a lot of the female idols do at some point lose so much weight that there's no question they have a serious issue, even if their faces still look slightly fuller.
"The subtle illusion of effortlessness, but so much effort goes into making yourself look in a certain way" Damn. I feel this on a spiritual level
I know I am guilty of this, but I think we all need to put down our phones and look around us. No one around us looks like the images in media- social media or traditional channels (magazines, tv, movies).
It’s not because everyone around each of us is ugly. It’s because no one actually looks like that. If you think about the most beautiful person you’ve seen in person, they are not flawless. Yet we don’t think they’re any less beautiful because they don’t look like what we see online.
It may be apocryphal but there’s a story about the actor Cary Grant in the 1940’s where he wanted to get into a restaurant. The maitre’d asked for his name. He replied “Cary Grant”. The maitre’d replied “You don’t look like Cary Grant.” He responded “I know, no one does.”
Looking at heavily edited photos or just people edited or looking very attractive is actually psychologically and socially damaging. Not only does it distort what is naturally possible, it also subconsciously dictates choices we make in friendships and relationships. For example, say you are meeting someone for the first time on a blind date. If you spent the hours before that looking at images that fit the above criteria, you are more likely to deem that person unattractive from the start and will pass over even trying to get to know them on a personal level. Obviously cumulative consumption also plays a role too. But if you spent the hours before that date, say, in the park or somewhere where you were observing real, unedited human beings, you will be more likely to find that same person more attractive and be more inclined to get to know their personality. You will see them much more accurately and be able to place them comparatively to others with accuracy, whereas in the first situation, your brain will be dropping them by 2 - 4 points on the attractiveness scale. That might not seem important, but it is. Someone we find attractive, we are more likely to overlook personality shortcomings, and with someone we don't find attractive, we are more inclined to look for reasons not to like then on a personal level as well. So it can wind up impacting how annoyed you might get with someone over a quirk or personality trait or disregard what they say in favor of your own interpretations, which will skew negatively. You can actually see this in K-Pop idol fans with what they are willing to put up with from an idol versus what they would put up with from a friend in real life. They also might suddenly start finding their friends more irritating, less intelligent, entitled, etc. even though nothing has really changed other than how their brain has been primed with the content they consumed beforehand.
One thing that really helped me changed my mindset was going to the beach. I remember feeling really insecure about my body but I went to the beach and saw all these different beautiful women with different body types and sizes and I remember thinking “oh yea everyone is different and the internet is made up!” 😭😭
I have acne scars and I never felt ugly because of that until I started using tiktok when the pandemic hit. I now feel ugly and am always afraid of aging (I'm 24 I don't need to think like that) and not looking perfect. I'm only now trying to heal from this because I got into this so deep within two years of pandemic.
@@yatshie8717oh my god the same thing happened to me. I was mostly fine with the way I looked but during the pandemic it really turned into an obsession.
@@8ri1 I experienced the same thing at the gym. It’s insane the variety of looks in real life! Our differences is what makes us interesting and beautiful
What infuriates me is the pictures of "perfect" skin are heavily edited. They not only whitewash them, they filter it. Idols have texture! There is such a thing as video filter not only camera. These idols are starving and practice 10 hrs a day dancing sometimes. Like ballet dancers they incinerate calories being on super strict unhealthy diets. That's why you see fainting on stage. That being said it glamorizes being skinny , perfect skin with symmetrical features done by plastic surgery and needles.
I agree !!!
The hardest thing to fix about your looks: Your skin, facial features and physical body would be your FACIAL FEATURES! Only surgery can change that!
@@Jasmine215100Yep,and also if you look like in a specific way it’s probably because of your genetics,because I loook more like my father and my grandfather who I never met.
@@blackwhite5166 Yes! I look much like my late mother, my paternal grandfather and his older sister. My sister looks like my father, her two grandmothers. She and my Dad were the best-looking in our family!
Actually, idols don't spend much time dancing. That's just an excuse fans have made up to justify unhealthy weights. Idols typically spend 2 days learning choreography before shooting it in an MV. They then practice a little more and then will only do the dance for performances, which adds up to about 10 - 20 minutes per day. So in reality, idols only spend 10 hours a day dancing for 2 to 3 days per comeback. Most of their low weights come from under 500 calorie diets, something I can confirm due to 2 female idols being in my larger friend network. Their exact diet while touring is below:
Breakfast: 1/4 serving of oatmeal, plain, no salt or sugar or anything else added
Lunch: All green salad, no dressing or salt, 4 cherry tomatoes, 1/2 egg white.
Dinner: Same as above, but swap out the cherry tomatoes and egg white for 1/4 serving boiled tofu.
Beverages: Only plain water or iced americanos.
On performance and special appearances or filming days: no eating or drinking until the live show begins or group choreography shots are wrapping up. If it is a big magazine spread, extend that period of fasting for 2 days and no drinking anything (again) for at least 24 - 36 hours.
I can't tell you how unhealthy that is. It's literally about 350 - 500 calories per day. The agency also gives them stimulants and fat blockers to take regularly for weight loss and maintenance as well.
One of the main reasons people don't pick up on just how thin idols actually are (Wonyoung, for example, has lanugo as do many other idols). If you see an idol with body hair on their arms or legs that is white-ish in color, that isn't regular body hair. It's a symptom of anorexia/malnutrition and being underweight. Idols have their actual body hair removed through laser treatments. But lanugo, due to its light coloring, does not respond to permanent hair removal treatments.
The main reason fans have a hard time determining just how underweight idols are is because facial contouring via fat transfer is probably the single most popular cosmetic surgery for idols, even beyond rhinoplasty or blepharoplasty. Why? Aside from making your face look more youthful and smaller due to more detail in the "blank" areas (cheeks, chin, forehead) of the face, it covers up the unhealthy weight. When we judge someone's weight and health, we rely heavily on facial cues at a subconscious level. It's just biologically wired into us at a subconscious level from evolution dictating humans and other mammals pick out a healthy mate. So by getting a fat transfer, it lets an idol or person in general be extremely thin while not having any facial gauntness. When our eyes fail to perceive the normal facial gauntness that would accompany the BMI and weights they are at, we are heavily inclined to perceive that person as being healthy. This is why when people do tend to spot idols as being very thin, it's usually from photos where the face isn't the first thing your eyes go to. It will be screenshots taken while dancing when the idol isn't controlling their facial expressions or looking at the camera or pictures of them from behind or with their face out of focus.
Main takeaway: celebs/idols have all kinds of professional help to enhance their looks. While it’s okay to appreciate their visuals (because they do look fabulous), there’s no point in holding the same extreme standards to yourself when their image is so heavily curated. ❤
Exactly yes they are gorgeous they look great but we dont need to look like them
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some do look better before getting into "idoling" lmao but just a very very very few lucky ones.
Celebs do all that because it's a part of their job. It's important for them to look good. I don't understand why the general public feels the need to do such things to look good when it's so unnecessary to their job or life...Why do the general public even want to look as good as celebs in the first place? Honestly people are dumb af...
@@keerthi0613its bc of social media, ppl are seeing 'regular' ppl who even look hotter than celebs.
I also understand were ypu're coming from, my sis kept comparing me to a celeb and I had to ask her why are you even doing that?
It just shows she compares herself to celebs and was projecting it unto to me.
I live in Korea, and in real life, a lot of young Koreans are beautiful - flawless skin, perfect figures. That being said, there's also a special place to do your makeup in every bathroom, in addition to the normal sink. You'll always see a lot of people reapplying their makeup there.
I participated as an audience member for an SBS variety show, and every time the cameras stopped rolling on them, people were at their mirrors fixing their faces. Plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures are so common that there's even a lack of regular doctors. It's much more rewarding to be a plastic surgeon currently. Unfortunately, people go into debt for beauty. The pressure is real, and it's affecting their mental health😢.
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oh god... lived in Korea for 5 years and you are giving me PTSD lol. It is something I grew to absolutely LOATHHHHE about the culture. god damn mirrors/reflective surfaces everywhere, people taking selcas or insta pics everywhere, insta photo op decor everywhere, people fixing their hair or makeup constantly, plastic surgery or designer brand ads everywhere, everyone trying so damn hard to appear perfect. lol it made me like... go hard the opposite way. I stopped wearing makeup because I didn't enjoy it anymore, it felt less like a "fun" thing and more like a "pressure" thing, so I stopped other than wearing concealer on blemishes lol. I was dating my now fiance then and when we'd be in an elevator or something with people fixing their hair or whatever to ~ omg look so perfect ~ ... I started messing my and my fiance's hair up in retaliation or going on dates to cafes and taking "ugly face" double chin selfies instead LOL. god damn people way too obsessed with that toxic beauty/superficial/brand name culture over there need to take a damn chill pill... seriously ruins the enjoyment of Korea after a while.
After hearing things like this for years I changed my mind on visiting SK. I don’t even listen to K-pop anymore, their VANITY will be their downfall. It’s sinful in my opinion to be so focused on outward appearances vanity is wrong on so many levels. It’s so sad to hear that a whole nation is sick with it.
They are pretty because of surgery and makeup.They do these in very young age.One of my known person said that they have monolid,tan skin,flat nose,wise face.
Being a kpop from a young age of 12y/o really shaped my thinking and made me more self-conscious of my body and skin, now 25 and im still struggling with body dismorphia and struggling with accepting my imperfections.
This video and information will for sure be beneficial for the upcoming generation.
Thank you for clarifying tge "natural" aspects of kpop
Woah! Sounds like me! Was a fan since 12 and am now 25, I still have the 'kbeauty standard' mindset 🫠
I'm also 25 and sometimes I'm telling myself that if I looked like them more id feel appreciate but I know deep down that I'm fine the way I am. It's just gonna be a long battle I fear. This whole image thingy needs to be over
I became a fan when I was 11 but now I’m about to turn 16
Girl same! I'm 25 too and I have a messed up vision of what my weight should be. I gained some weight and I hate it. I'm losing it slowly right now but I keep telling myself that no guy will ever want me at the weight I'm at. I'm 134lb height 5'2 5'3. I'm not big but for some reason I won't be happy with myself if I'm not 115lb
@@annaji4I'm the same height as you but I'm 110lbs and I'm still not satisfied with my body
One of the most popular procedures for K-Pop idols is actually facial fat transfers. Aside from how it can change your appearance, the main reason it is done is so that idols can maintain being extremely underweight without having their faces look gaunt. It tricks people into believing that the person is actually a healthy weight because it covers up the facial visual cues our eyes depend on when assessing someone's weight, since we are genetically predisposed to look for healthy traits for mating partners. It's a subconscious thing that you can't turn off.
where’d you see/read this?
Someone exposed their agency with this requiring it and they were forced into silence. It got deleted but big name agencies didn’t deny it, only stayed quiet. It’s more common in Hollywood and Bollywood than people think too
there 2 kinds of people in that regard, when it comes to losing weight, the ones that proportionally lose from everywhere in his or her body and the ones that lose from the face first and if you are an idol that loses fat from the face first, you will need fat transfers.
Doesn't this also mean if they were to gain weight, their faces would appear chubbier than it normally would because of the fat transfer
Oooh! It always unconsciously felt off to me that some idols faces looked bigger than their body, it makes sense now!
Ive always been insecure about my body but getting into kpop at 16 was a huge mistake cause i have such a warped dysphoric view on myself and body. This needs to be talked about more and they need to be shamed for givin so many girls insecurities and self hate
Yess, I had always been pretty unsure about myself and insecure about my looks and personality and as I got into kpop seeing these idol’s bodies made me so freaking insecure . Sadly I developed some other mental illnesses like depression and anxiety due to adhd and loosing control about everything going on and being insecure about myself I developed an ed.
This is SO EXTREMELY DANGEROUS! I am finally in recovery but it still effects my life and it is crazy how I developed a lot of these problems because I compared myself to kpop idols ! Please be careful and aware of this toxic industry!
Rather than shaming them, let’s just work on ourselves and be good role models for our friends, younger siblings/people around us. Idols and celebs themselves are victims of these extreme beauty standards. Especially that many of them have been trainees at a very younge age, and have been constantly surroundd by people telling them they have to look and act a certain way. If you are a fan of any of them, just always comment positive things to them, things that you yourself would like to hear, how you yourself would like to be talked to. Let’s remember celebs are extremely pressured to look a certain way because they are literally burdened with how much money and time and effort their company, sponsors, mentors, families spend on them to be able to in turn make a lot of money for not just themselves but for all of those people around them, not to mention dealing with harsh criticisms from people online… it’s a billion dollar industry, have some grace for them they are people with inscurities just like you. I’m a millenial and grew up without social media in my teen years, but we still had a lot of insecurities from magazines, tv commercials, billboards, print ads, because all the models of look a certain way, just as idols do today. Every generation has their struggles, but we do have the power as consumers and as sns users on what type of media we consume and we put out there.
For me it was PS.
Knowing that alnost every kpop idol had something done, made me wanting to do it too. They all look perfect.
But think about the most perfect idol, they had so much work done thats why they look perfect. And nany fans dont realize that
I feel you. I was getting into K-pop when I was a teen because of my circle of friends, but I was much more interested in high fashion models and Western beauty standards. It's a blessing my mental health didn't deteriorate towards that direction (2000s ED epidemic). I'm in my 30s now and still constantly bodycheck but I don't hate myself as much anymore. Practically in every social interaction now, I make a conscious effort not to comment on other people's body (unless I'm explicitly asked to comment) because it could be the catalyst for someone's descent into that unhealthy and chronically unhappy mental state.
Most K Pop girls are too skinny. They would all look so much healthier and better if they gained 10 lbs. I don't get the stick thin beauty standard they have I don't think it looks right.
It's important to also add that the idols photos are HEAVILY edited so their skin is far more different than how their skin really look like. Nobody can have skin without pores.
I know someone who doesn't have pores even though she doesn't use any skincare products like sunscreen😅
edit: maybe her pores are very small
People can have these features, but it's *very* rare to have them all at once, making the ideal beauty unattainable 😮
Just a suggestion, not criticism. When you insert photos of the people you're talking about as examples, it's super helpful. It provides a clear idea of what you're talking about. But you don't do that for everyone you mention. You both reference a lot of celebrities I've never heard of so it would be more helpful if you could also insert photos of them to clearly illustrate what you're talking about. Thanks.
IU has always had a fairer skin,she even said that the photo that was shown above was just pure make up she even said that she have a fair skin.
@@blackwhite5166 she did go under injections and lightening product to enhance the paleness though. If she wasn’t tan she was not naturally pale too. For celebrities it’s quite normal for them to use this treatments.
@@dinsun1111 look for her videos at 15. She sang Queen Seon Deok OST Araro. She was pale.
It is a pretty commonly known fact she got drips to get paler. The procedure is also called iu injections in korea
@@girll0vesickis it safe?
I try not to use filters in my photos. I think it develops body dysmorphia. If you filter too much you forget how you really look. Then you’re on a Botox/Surgery surge to get it alter to look that way.
I think that is valid and very true, and the only time I use filters is when I want something to look a certain style by making it black and white, although that’s not quite the same thing.
Actually sometimes I use filters because of the opposite. Like my camera makes me look SO detailed and sharp and the lighting is so bad, sometimes I think using just a soft filter/light editing actually makes up for that and makes you look more how you actually do. So it just depends on the situation :^) texture is nothing to be self conscious of, but its also not nearly as visible to the human eye as cameras can capture/we are worried it is. Also like when I try to get a picture of a really nice sunset, my phone can never ever capture the same colours so I'll edit it to look like how I'm seeing it in person.
it’s true. there were surgeons saying that more and more people come in for procedures and show filtered pictures of themselves as what they want to look like
It's true it happened to me
@@qwertyboo you’re beautiful just the way you are
Thanks for this conversation. If I may add, since you mentioned technology tweaks, as a colorist of TV commercials and movies before, I also was told to make the skin whiter, pearly, pinkish-white especially for beauty products endorsed by celebrities. We do a LOT in post-production to make those celebrities look flawless. That’s when I realized that everything we see as consumers are manufactured. I left the industry now.
You guys gotta check TVXQ Changmin and how different he looks in Japanese activities and Korean activities. In Japan, he is usually tan, but in Korea he is heavily whitewashed and looks like a completely different person. 😅
This is an important video. Thanks for exploring this topic. At 41 I look pretty young for my age but I’ve noticed Botox being advertised as a “preventative” method. It’s fine to use but the advertisement around it on social media can be pressure inducing.
"oh is this also botox" i ccoudnt stop laughing 🤣😭😱
It never occured to me that someone would want to botox such a reliable muscle like the calf...
and there is so. much. DANCING. the physical demands of being an idol is so immense that the fact that relaxing/diminishing key muscles on top of sleep deprivation and malnutrition is absolutely insane.
@@indolentinkwould be interesting to see these idols aging and seeing if they physically deteriorate faster. Poor nutrition is deadly
I know a lot of transwomen who do it. Calves and an area on the shoulders. This is the first time I heard idols do it. But it makes sense. They wanna appear skinny. Transwomen wanna appear dainty.
I actually know someone who did it..
@@nancyc6309did it affect them at all? Like did they feel weaker in their legs?
This is amazing kind of content that helps people feel better about themselves that helps us realize there is nothing natural about the people we idolize!
24:23 I noticed it with Jennie. Her face in the lens of foreigners is different. Like her gummy smile is noticeable even in "idol" series she was not perfect as perfect in the korean lens.
This is not to bash Jennie. This is just an example how Korean lens/culture are filtering everything to the extent that you think they don't have any pores at all.
what are u even talking about
@@PinksInMyArea Read it again if you didn't understand what she said. Her sentences are in basic english.
Her gummy smile is surprisingly her asset. I haven't seen anyone say it's ugly, even foreigners
@@parteedbasic English yet didn’t understand sht
@@PinksInMyAreaeveryone else understood it.. you’re just dumb
Never ever trust anyone whos face or body is publicized. No one is natural. Very sad.
Some of them are... at least in the US. There are many celebrities who look the exact sae as they did before becoming famous. It's usually just the huge celebrities that you cant trust
@@ceciliagundrum9704 looking the same can also mean that the work is done well, ironically.
i think hollywood is the only entertainment industry which projects the actual natural face like if you understand what i mean
the thing about kpop idols looking darker in the past and pale now is because in the late 2000s and early 2010s their makeup was darker than today, many actually are not as light-skinned as they appear to be because nowadays idols use foundation shades that are 2-3 shades lighter than their real skintone, you can really see this in some paparazzi shots where there is a clear line between their face and neck lol
The girl on the right looks like nayeon and really pretty and cute ❤
Nayeon looks way more plastic
The "shoulder botox" area is actually the trapezius muscle. I've watched on UA-cam about women reducing the size of their trapezius for their wedding day.
I read that the armpit sweat doesn't actually stop but the sweat is redirected to other parts of the body.
There’s study that Japanese and Korea armpits don’t release as much sweatband odors. That’s why they don’t use deodorant much.
I didn't know that people were self-conscious about that muscle! If it's enough to really be noticeable, that just means you're strong!
I could see the sweat being redirected. If you can't sweat from the armpits, your body is gonna have to cool down some other way - more in other sweat glands. Or panting, maybe..?
@@anhthynguyen9253It's not about the smell, it's about the actual sweat. I've NEVER seen a kpop idol with sweaty pits, even when they're on tour and clearly sweating a lot in other places. So yes they're either using botox or those super powerful antiperspirants that basically block the sweat glands completely.
A related thing they didn't mention is that idols get their armpit hair lasered off too. Always women, sometimes men do it too. I've also heard they put makeup on their armpits to make them look smooth and even toned. Before I wondered how that would even work since a normal person would just sweat the makeup off in a seconds, but if they're blasting their armpits with botox too, then problem solved heh.
I got it done and changed my life! Tight hard trapezius muscles seem to be an inherited trait. We hold our stress in our shoulders. Plus I have been studying over a book or laptop all my life. I went to so many doctors but was finally recommended shoulder botox before my wedding and omg! The migraines are gone, and now massages actually do something. It is a medical procedure and something folks should consider if they have these type of muscle issues.
@@rosethorn0232 There sweat armpit pads that can be sticked onto the clothes.
I hope this video is not taken down anytime soon... or even disable the comment. this need to be said. not only kpop industry, any entertainment industry has this beautify look. technology has advanced, so does beauty industry etc. it's kinda sad to see how delusional nowadays. for example like that subreddit photo. she's asking to get rid of her skin texture?? like girl your skin looks literally normal and almost no texture at all. the high expectations we have on ourselves are very concerning 😢
Just came back from a 3 week stay in Seoul and was refreshing to see that the people on the street were just normal looking and going about their business. Granted, there seemed more cute girls than guys tbh but then I started seeing the same nose job on these girls so it became easy to see who had plastic surgery versus who did not. And yes, the oppas of k-drama land do NOT walk the streets of Seoul LOL. But there was a lof young women constantly preening and adjusting their hair, looking at their makeup in the subways (you can see your reflectioni in the doors/windows when the subway goes underground). Narcissus would have fit right at home in Seoul I think LOL.
So... I'm a K-pop fan, and I'm still new to the whole genre, even though it's been almost three years. Anyway, even though I haven't personally experienced feeling insecure about my body or appearance or wanting to look like the idols I listen to as most other fans have gone through, I've always understood that, just like other music industries, there were things K-pop idols were and still are forced to do to be more conventionally attractive.
Some of the things Fel and Ro mentioned, I've seen. For example, when BTS posted selfies of themselves, I noticed there was always a certain angle in each picture, or their faces looked a bit different, usually smaller by using a filter. Some other idols I watch talked about in live streams how they wanted to lose weight, usually by barely eating, even though they are already so small and most likely underweight.
If you look up 'south korea plastic surgery' the first thing that will pop up is part of an article that reads, "South Korea is often dubbed the “plastic surgery capital of the world,” boasting the highest number of cosmetic surgeons per capita than anywhere else on the planet, beating the US and Brazil to the top spot. Estimates by Expert Market Research put its market value at $1.95 billion during 2018-22." More than likely, most, if not all, of these idols have undergone treatments or some form of cosmetic surgery.
Now, when it comes to these things, I don't think we should blame the idols themselves or judge them for this because: 1. Most K-pop idols enter the industry when they're really young, and kids are very impressionable. Usually, while they're still trainees, they'll get some of these treatments and surgeries done before officially debuting. 2. Even if they are older than the typical age at which most idols debut, all of the East Asian beauty standards are incredibly unrealistic and harmful, but unfortunately popular, especially in their own countries. 3. They don't really have a choice, to be honest.
It's a sad, but real reality that we SHOULD discuss, not ignore.
I am old enough to be these idols' mother and I would never want my daughter to be pressured into all those surgeries, injections, treatments...even someone who started with an healthy self esteem would be crushed... that's a really sick industry that unfortunately affects the standards of a whole generation. Not that we are doing much better in the west mind you...😢
i can think of several female idols trying to break with the beauty standards (esp. irt light skin, being super skinny) despite the criticism they receive for it. more power to them! i hope more and more especially younger idols have the courage to follow in their footsteps and just be themselves, maybe that will help turn the societal tide...
but if we look at old (and new) hollywood, the same practices exist(ed) in the west too! in old hollywood for example, they were very fond of using special lights specifically to make the female lead's eyes sparkle, paired with a very soft focus on her face in close-ups. now the problem is more that all these things have become more subtle, which tricks especially younger people into thinking it's all natural.
Hwasa is the first in my list for sure
Hwasa. I like her for that. The only thing that I didn't like is that she wanted to create new beauty standards but still had something done
Also Hyolin
These people are told what to do. So I wouldn't even use them as people to look up to, we are in 2024 and I can't believe I have to write this comment, if you belong in an agency ,then you are told what to do
@@annanowak9620I like Hwasa, but I don't think it's fair to her that she's had to shoulder the burden of breaking stereotypes she is still struggling with. Especially when it's touted as a Hwasa vs other idols paradigm. She didn't have much of a choice in the matter. She still got objectified, just in the backhanded way of being considered beautiful in spite of this or that.
She does seem to have confidence and value herself, and has come to terms on some level with the "you're so brave" nonsense, but she also had an entire episode of a reality show where she binge ate late at night to such an extent that she made herself ill. She was starving. She struggles with dieting before promotions and comebacks. She enhances her features with makeup (and likely other industry standard procedures), wears extensions much of the time, and if I'm not mistaken, she recently got breast augmentation. For every system she seems to buck, there is another she is giving into. She's human. Very talented and very industry savvy, but human just the same. I don't think she signed up to be a beacon of alternative beauty standards. I think she just wants to feel beautiful in a way that is possible for her and people superimposed their own personal meaning onto that.
She is selling an image just like so many other kpop idols, and while she may be as close as you can get to a person who owns that image, she has actively been saying through her music and interviews for years that she feels immense pain and pressure, too. So I always feel a bit bad for her when I see her touted as an example of idols who break convention. Maybe? But sometimes she hates herself and she has to process that through and for an audience that can be so unforgiving when you aren't who you sell yourself as. She's supposed to be a confident inspiration, and she will get harsher criticism when she doesn't love herself. Even self-love is a product for consumption.
7:31 Meanwhile, I work out my calves to make them more muscular and defined. 😂
I personally think their legs are ugly. They have no feminine shape and they look weak. I personally prefer a Princess Kate type of leg for the ideal leg shape, toned and curvy.
I’m so blown away by the trap and calf botox! 😮
I’m in Los Angeles and the procedures in Asia are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper than here! I just came back from Japan and paid literally 1/3 what I would’ve paid here in Los Angeles for Botox, filler and Lujuran. Thank you for having these conversations. I would love to see more a perspective from women in their late 30s-40s too if you ever build more content like this!
Oh my god, this is so true. The high expectations of beauty standards are unattainable. Back then, I often heard how girls complained about how their skin was not "white" enough, because it was a thing in my country. Though I find that any person can be beautiful, regardless of their skin color. I didn't recall hearing complaints about skin texture from a smooth-skinned perspective until these days. I don't mean to be salty or invalidate a person's feelings. Of course, even a good looking person could feel insecure too. In the end, it's just our expectations that make us unhappy. But the sad thing is, our society normalizes it, and some even encourage many vulnerable people to achieve that so-called beauty standard.
Why is skinny good??? Toned is so much sexier and impressive. It exudes strength. These people who get botox to reduce their functional muscle volume... are going to suffer once they hit their 50s
It’s good for photography in Asian’s aesthetics. I don’t know about other idols but Blackpink girls is living pretty healthy if you follow them for a long time cuz they do have time break in between the schedules so use them as example is not accurate.
Botox only lasts a few months. After that your muscles go back to normal
@@anhthynguyen9253it’s so weird that you think they are an exemption to all of these. They are actually the leading examples of all this procedures and standards. I have been in kpop and it’s amazing how fans turn a complete blind eye when their idols are being exposed to reality. They are healthy? Extreme weight loss is very evident in all the members even though they are already petite and skinny. Everyone of them have gotten surgery yes all of them. And it’s not to insult them but it’s just the truth. You guys need to be for real rn. What in the world
@@raygin6581unfortunately that's only half true because the longer you use botox the longer this effect lasts and can actually be hurtful and look bad and unnatural if you suddenly stop going for treatments.
@@yatshie8717 that not true lol
I really love this video because I don’t filter my photos ever because i really don’t know how. I’m 47 and I’m aging gracefully. I see my skin hair and body changing before my eyes and I’m ok with that. I only wear makeup when I go out. At work I wear chapstick and that’s it. I love being natural. My hair is natural as well as my body. As women I think we are hard on ourselves because we are pressured to look a certain way when realistically they don’t look that way. So this is a great video great job😊
I am +20 but I also dont filter my photos. Not because I dont know how, but because I would feel fake. That person wouldn't be me and I dont like that
I appreciate this kinda video because it explains how some things aren't what they seem. The nose thing is crazy! I didn't know that. Also, a reminder that most K-pop idols we see are like 16-25!!! Plus all the maintenance work they get plus professional makeup plus natural beauty and such. I gotta remind myself all the time.
As a 16 year old I used to feel so incomplete and ugly seeing these celebrities online, but with proper exposure I feel way more confident in myself, cause I know if i got crooked teeths it's something I'm born with, if I got darker skin it's my genetics and if my eyes are not perfect almonds it's again my ancestors that gave me this and I'm happy and proud to carry these with me.
Loved this💜💜💜 This is why you are one of the few influencers I trust and enjoy. You are legitimately showing healthy ways of self improvement in a way that is natural, accessible, and realistic. I'm in the early stages of menopause so your gut health videos were an instant hit with me. And same for the skin care since most items replace what my skin needs naturally. Keep up the good work. Our young girls and women desperately need to learn to see themselves this way instead of how media and society say they should look and be.
I second this... let me just continue being the lovely flower child I've mastered as a way of life.❤ Healthy lifestyle - eat organic, most important mindset, live, and let live. Respect everyone's right to pursue happiness, be kind. Say no to materialism.
hey just letting you guys know, michael jackson didnt bleach his skin. he had a skin condition called vitiligo. so the comment about him wanting to get melanin inhibiting injections doesnt make any sense.
He did bleach his skin, vitiligo doesn't change your entire skin tone evenly.....
@@canesugar911 yeah ! and his skin wasnt changed evenly. he in fact used creams to try and even out his vitiligo to make it less apparent and starkly obvious. literally all it takes is a quick google search lmao
Fun Fact: there is no difference between the Botox used for cosmetic procedures and the toxin that causes botulism 😀
So please be aware that getting Botox (or Dysport, Xeomin, etc) is quite literally causing paralysis to the muscle(s). So the “L shoulders” are achieved by paralyzing the trapezius muscle, causing it to atrophy (and become smaller).
Not trying to dissuade anyone or say Botox is bad (I’ve had Botox myself), just know it is a semi-permanent cosmetic procedure that also has significant physiological effects as well. Like you will be physically weaker.
This is simply not true, yes botox is derived from the toxin of the botulism bacteria but to say they are the same is wrong and misinformation.
Thank you for sharing this
Now, I don't even want to imagine how the kpop idols will be/look like when they get older
Will they still going to be in-demand or tossed away like a broken doll?
People's perception of beauty is what needs to change. Anything natural or normal is what should be actually considered & perceived as beautiful.
Awesome video! It's really hard not to fall for those insane beauty standards
Thanks for sharing these informations. Even more frustrating part among all these are influencers trying these celebrities procedures and stating that all those are attained by certain skincare or food/drinks that they are promoting is actually sick. There is this one Korean plastic surgeon in TikTok and Instagram who actually states the procedures and treatments that are done by most adored celebrities so that teenagers won't compare themselves to those celebs. Of course, these are personal preferences of one's choice, but that's not really a choice for certain age groups trying so hard to fit in socially. That's the whole point of realising BEAUTY WITHIN. I'm looking at these procedures now at age of 25 and deciding not to get pulled in those IT GIRL dream body but if I was in my teen years while being vulnerable to others opinion and bullying of certain part of my body or skin texture which we all have gone through, I would have definitely considered taking these procedures if given chances and that's scary. Honestly, people who shares these awareness are GEMS.
Regarding tanned idols: I remember Sistar, particularly Hyolyn, were pretty tan and celebrated for their "honey skin"
Idols with tan skin are always typecast as "exotic" and "sexy", so that's a whole different can of worms.
Hwasa was called ugly, and she is gorgeous! There is hope that more diversity will be accepted, but it's not an easy change in the culture.
SNSD Yuri's nickname was Black Pearl because of her beautiful "tan" skin. Yuri is a literal goddess
Her body is so beautiful
it’s kinda crazy tho that she got that nickname for being a little tan. it’s kind of a backhanded compliment
@@grasstastesbad While I do remember her being tan was seen as a negative during debut, the term Black Pearl was meant to highlight how her tan skin makes her beautiful because a Black Pearl "is extremely rare, and largely considered one of the most beautiful kinds of pearls in the world." So her nickname Black Pearl is not a backhanded compliment but an FU to haters
How do kpop idols and trainees not eat, barely drink water, not sleep, dance all day, exercise ontop of that 6-7 days a week and still dance like crazy, perfectly on stage and not look even a hint tired. Is there a pill or drink they take or injection??
Not into kpop but can make a reasonable guess of caffeine and nicotine. Both legal. Both beloved by many workers in high stress environments. Korea is also a huge coffee consumer if I remember correctly
Honestly from all of the behind the scenes footage I've seen, not seeming tired is part of the performance. Once they go backstage they are exhausted.
Also, I think it's considered professional in kpop to not show that you're tired. Look at Wonyoung - everyone knows that her schedule's super demanding but she never shows that she's tired and people praise her for it.
Personality plays another factor. If you are a workaholic or someone with unusually high drive to reach your goals, being tired is "not allowed".
Korean is known to take vitamin supplement very seriously. You can check ‘’what’s in their bag? ‘’ videos.
@@silynita I bet the industry is saturated with this personality type because you have to be ambitious and incredibly determined to debut, let alone have a career in this cutthroat industry. I remember, Jisoo of Blackpink said that she's never been afraid to take on challenges. I think her mindset is the standard for idols. To relentlessly go after your goals even though it might seen hopeless/endless.
that was an eye opening video, thank you so much for making us feel a little bit better :)
This just made me feel SO SO SO much better with myself, thank you for this video, it's amazing to know at what extent the idols have to go through to fit into the industry, it's sickening.
There needs to be a human face version of touching grass. Even when we're out of the house, these Internet faces are in front of us on our phones. Eventually our realities become so distorted and we think "normal" is really is absurdly filtered, styled and surgically perfected face.
I wish i could show this video to all these young kpop fans. Your fave have done all sort of things to achieve their looks and its fine bc its part of their jobs. Saying all these procedures are just part of their puberty or glow up is so toxic for others that compare themselves to these idols. You can never achieve these naturally bc it didnt happened to them either. I had a body dysmorphia even way before social media. So imagine all these younger people have to be exposed to influencers, idols, celebrity, etc. i just feel bad for them. I really hope theres more awareness and real talk for these kind of topic.
Loved this video!!! Recently I haven't been feeling good with myself for all the influence of korean beauty and content that I consume on social media, I absolutely love how they take care of their skin, body and all that stuff, but the reality is that there is no perfection and we have to love our flaws too, because they're probably the most normal things. I love you both THANK YOU sisters for always remind me who I am
When you get Botox for headaches they do it on the shoulders, it helps your posture which helps your neck support your head properly. You can also get Botox on your face skin to stop sweating.
I’m 28 and as I’ve gotten older and acquired more problems with my posture/joints/etc, my respect for the uses and functions of my muscles and physiology has just gone way up. Everything is connected. I can’t imagine what kind of pain I would be in if I got Botox in my shoulders or calves and ceased the use of those muscles to shrink them. Would I even be able to get out of bed? No 😂
It's so refreshing to see an in-depth discussion of this. Thank you for doing the work you do! It gives me some joy and relief knowing that there will be young impressionable girls who see this video and will be encouraged to question the beauty ideals they see in the world around them
An example of a dramatic change with carboxy shots (plus other possible treatments) is FX's Luna. She had beautiful toned muscular thighs and hated it and was very aware of the nicknames that netizens gave her like "muscle-dol." She finally got the legs that she wanted though so I guess she's happier about it.
Absolutely LOVED this video!❤❤❤
bruh the botox in the calf comment was so FELT, people used to call me tree trunk legs because of how bulky my calves have been my entire life D:
Love this video! I learned so much facts, trends and the behind-the-scenes. Wow!
15:30 another kpop idol with tanned skin is Kai EXO
i loved this video! thank you for informing us of the reality behind the beauty of idols. i honestly feel better about myself now lol
Thank you for giving us knowledge sis. I love you
It’s a crying shame that people are still being driven to look a certain trendy perfect way instead of just being happy with the way they are! I’m beyond grateful that I honestly am never a follower and hopefully never will be. If people don’t like the way I look, don’t look!
I think this video just helped me realize l do indeed need botox! I have widespread chronic pain...but one of the worst is rhe chronic, hyper tonic shoulder pain...right at that L spot! ( Thanks scoliosis) If getting botox THERE would reduce this constant pain...oh man... I... I would love that😞.
Get it you won’t regret it!
It does help. Just make sure you go to a neurologist who knows what he’s doing as they need an ultrasound to locate the tight muscles.
You guys look perfect. You look sooo nice without filter and min makeup.
❤❤❤well done to speak on this topic
The most useful content i've ever watched
Thank you
I love this informative video. Also, the individual on the right looks like Nayeon from Twice. Both beautiful & intelligent people, looking forward to more content xoxo
Yeah esp when she smiles, the bunny smiles look similar
I felt she looked more like sandara park.
Thank you for this insightful talk! A lot of the things you mentioned were new to me (as for a person just slightly familiar with the K-pop culture and complexity around it). From now on I will definitely feel better not having this impossible angle between my neck and shoulders, even though I got dangerously skinny falling for all this unrealistic expectations that surround us in the media. Would look forward to the new videos and thank you again ❣️🌼
I remember trying to watch a chinese drama about esports.. I had to drop it cause the main protag had to bring up how she was tiny and small ALL THE TIME.
Lifting the veil is a great main topic with soo many sub topics possible- sounds fantastic. The filtering, and camera lens things, Ive seen it myself.
In phone cameras my forehead and eyes are huge like an 👽 and when ask others, they'll tell me in person that it looks nothing like me my eyes are smallish, forehead is normal. I often use programs to undo these filters to look more like myself. Im Korean ans Northern Native American, these filters change my eyes from small to big, etc to look far more western beauty? It's hard to know what you really look like, imagine being a young one.
Just love the episode ❤❤❤
Very insightful
Thank you so much for breaking this down! It's difficult in our day and age to look at everyone "perfect" and feel less-than. It's nice to know how much effort goes into that and it isn't just what they're born with.
Thank you girls!!! You made a great work on this video, very interesting. You are beautiful!
I’d consult a physio or kinesiologist before doing a lot of these cuz I also wanna be able to be active. I like how you mentioned about the side effects of a lot of theses beauty hacks 😅
Botox can be used even for stopping migraine, a friend of mine suffer of chronic migraine and after trying for years almost everything, a doctor prescribed him it
That’s actually the original used of botox lol. Then they explored to the beauty industry after that
That’s what it was made for 😭
Thank you for this video, it really opened my eyes
And to all kpop fans who think their idols hasn't done anything to their faces or bodies think twice cuz probably we don't even notice it 😅
❤❤❤ loved the information. so eye opening!
I really liked this through talk it felt like we were on ft having such an important convo
best video ❤️ people should watch this especially those with issues on their appearance because they compare it to idols/actors.
This was very illuminating. I wish I could show this to my family who always ask me why I don't look like these people. But I don't believe they will sit through this video. Even so, just holding this realistic knowledge for myself feels good. I think I can create goals for myself but for the right reasons.
Thanks for making this video. Now I can enjoy my life instead of worrying why I don't look like idols. The idols do not look like idols themselves.
Great video!
Love this ❤❤ nice perspective !!
i really wish there were more skin doctors here where i live. its so difficult to get an appointment and then its always the same incompetence. especially when its not about health issues. i have bad skin since i am 14( 28 now) ad people always mocked me for it. for whatever reason i cant get rid of all the pimples on my body and i think some of them on my back are scars. but i cant properly see my back in the mirrow so i dont know for sure.
but when i finally got the courage to go to a skin doctor he entered the room and immediately said:(roughly translated) "so your face is fine, right? "
which alrdy showed me that i will not get a proper treatment. then i showed him my back and he said: "what is there?" but he still tried to sell me some bullshit mixture that i should put on my skin.
he didnt even let me ask him why i get those pimples. cuz in my opinion it must be something wrong with my body to produce the pimples. but i guess some doctors just dont care enough.
so it would be cool to have more skin doctors who focus on visual problems like in korea.
This is soo intreresting, thaks!
Thank you for the video, it was very interesting and clarifying. Something that I would like to know more about is face massage, face exercises and if they really work, how to know if you are following or doing it properly, all about this because I see that it is getting very trendy lately and I don't know, maybe it's still a lot of lack of information about this. Anyways, thanks and lot of love from Brazil 🙏🏻🩷💐
I think there’s one thing not a lot of people know and many others forget, and that is that no camera can represent reality in a photo.
No camera lens captures what the human eye sees. There is always distortion by a lens.
Camera images are a 2D so even if there was no distortion, it still won’t look accurate.
If you want to see some more realistic pictures of celebrities, go to Getty Images. They have the original image before a PR team gets to it.
Great video. Subscribed. Glad the algorithm brought me to you guys. This was really interesting and really nicely and intelligently discussed.
Hey first video I’ve seen from your channel. Yall seem really nice and are very cute ☺️ loved the video
The Australian girl looks like twice nayeon.
A very important and informative issue. Thank you so much. Love you both. ❤️
Australia is the complete opposite! Like tan and toned figure I find so much more attractive. Like stove pipe legs without calf muscles look so weird to me
Australia is a leading country in skin cancer
I don’t find chopsticks legs attractive either 😂
There is no extra fat in your shoulder! This is just your muscle! You need them… don’t do this 😨
Thanks for the very informative info ~
Great video! I feel really sorry for young people coming along now enjoying K-pop because the standard of beauty is so strict. I was able to grow up in eventually embrace my features and understand that I would never fit the beauty standard. That made things easier for me. So I think that within South Korea where everyone is So I think that within South Korea where most people already the same race, that pressure has got to be enormous.
Regarding phone cameras, it isn't just the fact that filters are sometimes built it. The selfie lens simply doesn't have the same focal length as the rear camera, so you'll look different in the selfie cam than you do in real life. It's similar to what you said about the guy who uses different lenses on his camera to look different.
The most accurate photo of human faces a phone can take is actually the "dirty mirror selfie" that you take with the rear camera standing 2-3 feet away from a mirror.
Off topic, but I am TOTALLY in love with both of your tops! Sooo cute!
I will forever be gratetful for that NME interview with BTS from 2018 ("BTS vs. the fans"). It has such a high video quality and they look so natural: No whitewashing, no blurring, you can almost see their pores.
the pink host looks so much like nayeon shes adorable
I work in video editing for a tv channel, there are so many effects you can use both while recording and editing to make skin seem flawless