Heat Pump Tumble Dryers - Are They Worth It?
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Have you looked much into maintenance of the Heat Pump dryers? My understanding is they require quite a bit more maintenance. Lint tends to gather on the heater and condenser coils despite the fact there are filters in the way. Lint gathering on the coils causes them to loose efficiency. This can be a real pain to remove as it requires stripping the machine down. Another downside I can see is that you have a lot more to go wrong. Using refrigerant can bring problems if it manages to leak. The previously mentioned cleaning of condenser and evaporator coils. The compressor for the refrigerant is another part to go wrong.
I feel that yes they are better in what they do but there is so much more to go wrong. You may save a couple of hundred pounds over a few years but when that needs repairs its going to cost you more and that will happen more frequently due to their being more components to go wrong.
You are right, they are not as simple as a standard condenser/heating element.
However the lint catch is very similar to a standard condenser dryer, and for all types you lose efficiency if you don't empty it every cycle. In fact for the heat element ones it is more important due to a fire risk.
Regarding reliability, although I can't comment on long term (I've had it for ~18 months, it is still going strong and daily usage has not caused any problems
Either way, they are easy to maintain, about the same as a heating element one. One exception is they give you a small brush to clean any lint that may have got to the condenser.
Barely any reaches that point due to the lint just outside the drum.
I just got a heat pump tumble dryer. Amazing how cheap they are to run compared to a vented tumble dryer. I had a vented tumble dryer as it lasted 20 years and probably could have been repaired, but due to running costs I decided to get a heat pump tumble dryer. I will be saving £1 a load in drying costs, so will pay for itself in 2 years.
They are significantly cheaper - and it's also great if you have solar!
Had mine 9 months, and it;s great! 600w so i'm drying on sunshine most of the time.
Happy days! As I mentioned, it is a great way of utilizing the extra energy.
Excellent video bud, was speaking to the wife about ditching the old resistive heating dryer as the heat pump would be cheaper to run in this current climate, however the existing one is going strong so you've answered that. A heat pump dryer will replace it though when it fails.
Agreed, if your resistive heating tumble dryer is working, it is not worthwhile. Leave it for the next upgrade!
Hi KC great vid thank you. At a guesss at least times two plus of your age just wish I had teachers like you back then! Investing in a heat pump dryer but in a year or two a new washing machine and that’s the scary bit as I know nothing, yet. Keep up the good work and love the glasses!
Thanks for watching, I certainly appreciate your thoughts! As mentioned, it really does save me a lot of money, so hopefully you'll see something similar.
Oh my god, I really wish you would make more home appliances videos!
Fascinating stuff here. 😉
More to come!
Thanks for watching!
Great explanation on heat pump technology. Ive recently purchased the same dryer as you, but the 9Kg model. I can recommend it
Thank you for watching!
Have you got solar as well?
Here in the States, very helpful video. Our ‘regular’ heated vented dryer has just died. Looking to go ventless.
I have just bought a Haier 9k heat pump dryer to match my Haier Ipro7 washing machine it is fantastic and only takes slightly longer to dry the washing and uses less than half the amount of electricity fantastic.
Great news to hear! Since I use mine almost every day it saves a lot in energy.
Great video Kc, I didn’t know these existed so very interesting, another benefit I would think is fire risk, heating element dryers have been the cause of many house fires, I would think the risk of a fire in these units is significantly reduced.
That is a very good point, I completely forgot about the fire risk (which is definitely a factor with a hot heating element).
Just bought a heat pump as my last candy tumble dryer set my clothes on fire lol
I had beko hit pump for around 8 years and one day stopped working so I decided to buy new one instead of trying to repair but tbh I just now found and we can say understand the difference between hit pump and condensed 🙈😅 thanks for great video💪🏻
Good to hear you got 8 years out of one! I expect it would've paid itself back over that time (and multiple times over I hope!)
And thank you for watching! Let me know how you get one with your new one!
Exactly our experience. Our old heating element dryer would always take from the grid. Our new heat pump runs entirely off the solar.
Excellent! What is your solar setup like?
16 panels on the roof. Thanks to the 'Green Deal' they cost us nothing! @@KCTalksEV
Ah nice one! Great to hear more people get panels!
Thank You KC, this is the only video on YT I found very informative and to the point and simple to understand. My conclusion, this is basically a fridge with a fan blowing the heat from the hot side in to the clothes?
Yes exactly, but completely enclosed. The 'cold' side is directly in front of the 'hot' side. The cold side condenses the warm humid air from the drum, then the hot side reheats the air as it recirculates.
This is actually combined an even better effect as warm air can hold more moisture!
Another way to think is more like an enclosed dehumidifier.
One question I can't seem to find an answer for is brand new condenser dryers verses brand new heat pump the energy ratings aren't that much different yet the heat pumps supposedly takes longer to dry so are they actually saving much energy?my condenser is playing up and I've tried to fix it but the boss (Mrs) now wants a heat pump one
Although I haven't tested a brand new condenser and heat pump side by side, I still expect the heat pump to have less energy consumption under standard home conditions, even if it takes longer.
Fundamentally, the heat pump takes energy from the surrounding air, whereas a condenser has to produce heat. The former will always be more 'efficient' unless the ambient temperature is very cold. A condenser dryer will also leak a lot of heat by passing colder air through its condenser to remove water, and the heat goes into the house rather than the clothes.
Looking at AO side by side with some Bosch units, the condenser would use 560kWh and the heat pump with use 236 kWh under the same 160 cycle a year use case, meaning at 34p/kWh you'll recoup your costs (about £130 more to purchase) in about 18 months. Obviously if your dryer is working fine don't buy a new appliance, but buying new it is definitely a consideration.
Nicely explained
Thanks for the kind words!
Hello
What heat pump model do you think is better for good and better cleaning , the one with manually cleaning for the condenser or the one with automatic cleaning that sends water through the condenser?
I ask because I saw some issues with automatic cleaning of the condenser, when the fluff and the parts of fabric clothes, is blocking the water pump or causing errors with sensors.
I don't really have an researched opinion on this! My beko has a manual cleaning condenser and frankly it isn't a problem to begin with as the main filter catches pretty much all of the lint. It's been going strong for the last 18 months with no issues, as long as you remove the lint every cycle
Do these dryer have to be plummed in with hose going into wall or can I just plug in in and dry ?
Heat pump dryers normally have a water collection box so don't need to be plumbed in. You can use a drainage hose (my one included one) if you want to have continuous drainage. Hope that helps!
Nice! We have a washer/dryer - no space for separate tumble dryer.
Luckily I had the space in the utility cupboard - would be nice to have an outdoor vent however!
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My Candy 8kg heatpump dryer is not heating up lately, so called a technician and he's saying it's not worth fixing a heatpump dryer, just get a new one with a condenser and a heating element as heatpump dryers are rubbish. What i do please advise anyone 🙂
One disadvantage of a heat pump dryer is that they are more complicated. They are very similar to an air conditioning unit in a car. Most issues are likely caused by a small leak that'll need a F-Gas engineer to fix (hence why it may be too expensive).
To say that they are rubbish however misses the advantages. I expect it's because as a technician they can't make money off repairing them! I've had heating element/condenser dryers repaired before. Easy fix for a DIYer, and a money maker for a repair technician given the cheap cost of parts.
Does the heat pump dryer cause condensation on the walls ?
Maybe a tiny bit but significantly less than a heating element condenser dryer. It effectively dehumidifies the air in the drum so there is essentially no moisture being exhausted out.
My old heating element condenser dryer was awful for condensation.
Hi does a heat pump tumble dryer use hot/warm air or does it use cold air please
The heat pump uses air from the surroundings (so the room air). Then, it concentrates the energy in the outside air to make the drum hotter if that makes sense.
The drum is not anywhere near as hot as a 'normal' tumble dryer, so it should be better on clothes. I hope this helps!
@@KCTalksEV hi thanks for taking the time to get back to me yes I understand what you mean I searched the net all night for answers as you can’t find a lot of information about them I purchase a candy heat pump dryer but after having it on for a few hours clothes were still wet and didn’t feel like there is any warmth in there so I’m assuming I have purchased a faulty item I thought it might of run on cold air thank you
No problem, I would expect the drum to have warm air after around an hour or so at most so if it still is not getting warm, then there may be an issue.
@@sara-sp7bw ,shouldn,t have bought a hoover/ candy machine,much better machines available.
Never have had experience with a heat pump dryer, however GE has a combo unit and Whirlpool offers here in the US a full size heat pump dryer as well as vented gas and electric models as well. Though I probably won’t be seeing many heat pump dryers for a good while in my area since gas dryers are the most popular in my area with the high electric rates in the southwestern US in the spring and summer months.
Gas tumble dryers are actually a very good idea (ultra fast drying time, cheaper to run compared to electric resistive), however apart from one model in the UK, most are for commercial uses. Also, it's fairly unlikely you would have a gas main outlet outside the place you want to place the dryer!
@@KCTalksEV a friend of mine in North Carolina has a 1957 Kenmore gas dryer that has a 37,000 btu heat output. Hasn’t been used yet, but definitely will dry things in a hurry with something with that powerful of a heat output. Only has timed drying though but since it only dries in 30 to 35 minutes time, no real need for a moisture sensor or thermostatic auto dry.
Also heard in a vintage appliance forum I am in, some of the older Westinghouse slant front dryers from the early to mid 50’a literally got up to 220F in operation, once it got to that temperature, it would cut the heat off and would switch over to the cool-down thermostat so no wrinkling would occur.
Wow, 37,000 BTU or 10.8kW (even though I know the B stands for British, W/kW is the only way I work!)
I'm surprised anything comes out the size it went in if I'm honest if the other machine is running > 104 degrees Celsius!
@@KCTalksEV the high heat thermostat in those dryers was rated for 160F (71C), usually would get up to 160F (71C) in about 5 minutes time since the burner was that power in those older US Whirlpool built dryers. Not a very hot drying temperature (technically a very hot drying temperature), just a quick drying temperature and time. Kenmore in the early 1960’s (Kenmore was built by Whirlpool for Sears) introduced a soft heat feature which used a variable burner which started out with 37,000 btus of heat, as the cycle progressed it would gradually turn the burner down more and more to maintain a even temperature but if it wasn’t able to withhold the temperature towards the end of the cycle though only was operating at 5,000 btus of heat, it would shut the burner off entirely before the cool-down. A pretty ingenious idea for the time period (even would be more of a ingenious idea today), even if you selected more time than you intended to, it would shut the heat off when everything was dried so it was a auto dry system though was only timed drying.
I can only speak of my own experience here, but I honestly think that heat pump dryer positives, completely outweigh any negatives.
In 2011, our trusty White Knight vented dryer gave up the ghost spectacularly. It was 18 years old so it got a solid pass, belonging to my mum and dad before they passed it to me. I was an early adopter, and brought one of the first heat pump Siemens dryers to replace it. It was obscenely expensive I admit (£1950), and yes, it took longer to dry a load, but instantly our energy consumption when drying went down by 40% over the last machine. Over the life of the machine, we made back the cost of the machine multiple times.
That machine finally expired last week, having been on at least once a day, every day for the last 11 years…..it’s a testament to what having 4 children, 3 dogs, plus both my wife and I working within clinical care will do for your appliances!
I have zero complaints, especially considering the incredible increase in energy costs over the last 12 months, it all helps. Our new Siemens came yesterday and has shaved another 20% off the KWh value of drying over the previous one.
A concise and enjoyable video for anyone on the fence, I enjoyed it!
I agree - the energy savings at this time more than makeup the price increase.
My White Knight tumble dryer has finally expired after 29+ years. It was the best appliance I have ever owned - very heavily used (family of 5 plus 2 dogs and 2 cats over the years) and never developed a single fault. I was skint at the time (1993) and it was the cheapest machine I could find anywhere - I had never heard of the brand before and only expected it to last a few years if I was lucky. If they were still available I would buy another like a shot - made in Great Britain too! Can't decide which type to purchase now (hence watching this video) but whatever I choose, I doubt it will surpass the performance and longevity of my White Knight :(
When you say that you are a science teacher, I am going to take a wild guess that you specialise in Physics (maybe chemistry but definitely not Biology). Great video. (BTW I think you meant -273 degC)
Close, I'm a chemistry specialist teacher but thermodynamics is part of A-Level (plus I am pretty obsessed with home thermal efficiency right now!
I’ve just ordered a Beko Integrated 7Kg Heat Pump Tumble Dryer from Curry’s. I have a Bosch integrated 8Kg washing machine and was looking for an 8Kg Integrated heat pump dryer, but the largest drum I could find was 7Kg. I’m not sure why, when freestanding heat pump tumble dryers have much larger drums, like the one you’re reviewing in your video. But maybe it’s not possible to fit a larger drum for an integrated machine, using that technology, compared to an ordinary washing machine, or maybe it’s to do with safety reasons, why manufacturers do not make a larger drum? When Curry’s install it they will disconnect and recycle my old White Knight 6Kg tumble dryer, which is a good machine, but too expensive to run for my energy bills.
Thank you for watching! In terms of sizing, I believe that integrated appliances have to be ever so slightly smaller (because of the cabinet door taking some much needed depth). This could be the reason why but I'm not entirely sure.
Personally, I never buy integrated appliances purely because of the cost premium over a freestanding - I'm sure others would appreciate the fact integrated appliances are hidden but not me unfortunately!
@@KCTalksEV It makes a lot of sense what you say, and I realise integrated alliances aren’t for everyone, it’s just, I don’t wanna spend unnecessary amounts of money to pay a kitchen fitter/carpenter to rearrange my kitchen cupboards to accommodate a freestanding model. I have a big kitchen/dining area but a small utility cupboard under the staircase where my gas boiler and smart meters are. Although, I do have a big garage at the back of my garden, and I could install a freestanding heat pump dryer there, but it’s not insulated or heated, and it doesn’t have the convenience of drying your clothes within the comfort of your home. Although, I did consider placing a freestanding heat pump dryer upstairs in my box bedroom, but I didn’t want it blocking space, incase I wanted to convert the box room later into a small bedroom.
@lg5819 hi.. bit if a random message but just wondering if you bought the integrated Beko heat pump dryer? I was looking at either the integrated heat pump Beko or integrated heat pump Blomberg dryers to put in our kitchen. Never had a dryer b4. Are they quite loud? ie how do they compare to a washing machine or dishwasher? The potential loudness is what's stopping me from buying 1 at the mo especially as it could be loud for hours as heat pump dryers go for hours at a time. I was even thinking of getting a dehumidifier instead because of the potential loudness.
more than 800 watt? what class is it? i have 3 A +++ all of them consuming in the first 320 watt and after one hour 540! also 7 8 9 kg have all the same drums every brands!
Yep, measured at the wall at the start of the run. This Beko I believe is A+ hence the slight increase in maximum power. Still much more efficient compared to a condenser of the same size.
@@KCTalksEV crazy... too much! the double
Are heat pump tumble dryers safe to tumble dry printed clothes
I'm not sure if they're 100% safe, but heat pump tumble dryers tend to have lower temperatures than a heating element. Also, my one has a low temperature setting as well.
I guess the only way to find out is to give it a go (and I'm not taking responsibility if it goes wrong!)
Hi do you still have the dryer and are you happy with it?
Yes, I still have the Beko dryer and it is working very well! It does take longer to dry compared to the heating element dryer, but the other advantages more than outweigh this, as mentioned in the video!
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@@KCTalksEV Thanks.
Heat pump dryer isn’t suitable if using in a garage or outbuilding. The do require minimum of 10 degree C to work properly. This is where your standard vented or condenser has the advantage. If trying to use heat pump dryer in the cold it won’t heat the air up enough and you’ll waste energy with it being on for too long. If your lucky enough to have a laundry room that’s warm or a large kitchen then heat pump is definitely the way forward. I just bought a condenser dryer because it’s to be use un the conservatory in winter months. But I’m very happy with it and first time I used it done a full mixed load in just over an hour and everything bone dry.
Thank you for your insight
@4:28 -278 degrees celsius would be very special, I think it's safe to assume it wouldn't be. :p
You are most certainly right - I am a chemistry teacher and I know full well someone will mention it if I don't say that there is no energy at -278 C!
How many types are there?
In terms of heat pump? Just one, I don't believe there is a vented heat pump as it would be highly inefficient. Only condenser heat pump tumble dryers are on the market
@@KCTalksEV there’s heat pump, then there’s condenser? Like the one with heating element I think. Not sure what it’s called
Wait, 300? And yes I know it’s not usd, but in here, dryers (and I don’t know if it’s condenser)..it’s close to maybe 900 usd!
Wow you're right! Just checked Best Buy, cheapest is $899!
I have a hotpoint vented tumble dryer 5.4kw per hour and a hoover heatpump 11kg tumble dryer 2.1kw per hour drying 6 bath towels hotpoint took 33mins bone dry hoover heatpump took 3 hours about cupboard dry I used 2.4kw energy on the hotpoint over 33 mins and I use 6.2kw over 3 hours on the heatpump tumble dryer aover the heatpump used more energy I do believe it will last longer then a vented tumble dryer and would benefit of installing solar to connect to the heatpump
Thanks for watching!
That number I believe is correct for the vented, but seems way too high for the heat pump. A 2kW heat pump would be around 3kW of heat output at a more conservative estimate (likely even more). The time is probably about right, although seems a bit long. I would check with a smart plug / watt meter with energy monitoring to see whether this is completely true. I could send you a link to one if that would help?
This is ventless yes?
Yep, no vent (thankfully or else my utility cupboard will be ruined!)
@@KCTalksEV thank you. I’m looking to get one, it’s expensive here though. Thank you, I need to do some research, seems the heat pump is better than other types
Looking at it, the US doesn't do standard condenser (heating element) tumble dryers at the much lower price point to a heat pump. On top of the other benefits (cheaper to run, better on clothes etc), you maybe better off anyway
The Heat Pump dryer motor will wear out quicker as it takes longer to dry your cloths.
Not if it's a direct drive dryer which LG have already come to market with.
True, although in any case, I expect the motor was not the factor that died on my old one so I expect this heat pump one to last a reasonable amount of time.
I expect it was a few years old before I bought it used.
@@ivanendicott3273 as have Haier,mine being delivered tomorrow.
They are surprisingly quick to dry a full loaf. I haven’t noticed a lot of difference. No shrinking of clothes either
Sadly no they are not working for their not designed to work in cold countries like England and homes unheated in rooms where they are kept in outdoor spaces like brick walls to outdoor sheds or garage space where temperatures below Freezing Point and below 50 degrees Fahrenheit they don’t work at all in some cases they work in 40 degrees to 50 degrees Fahrenheit but taking so much longer to dry the laundry and it’s not even completely dry enough for still damp. I have had dryer in shed for over 40 years and have had vented dryer and the older condenser dryer in having satisfactory results but 30 weeks now and winter has really started to my new dryer has not worked at all after a few days of freezing cold weather and temperature not rising above freezing and thence finding out that they don’t work in cold temperatures and this information is hidden by retailers removing the manual from display models or sticking stickers over the door to prevent you reading the instructions manual and vaguely not being honest about the reliability of this type of dryer and not finding out until after purchasing and thinking you have bought a faulty dryer. I have had horrible experience this past couple weeks beginning December and have had to dry clothes on radiators for to purchase a new vented dryer and scraping dryer that they are promoting to be energy efficient but being a complete dishonest claims that manufactured drying products not fit for purpose.
I am very surprised about the amount of people who store their washing machines or tumble dryers in a garage or a shed. When a garage or shed costs valuable space and money, the first place I would expect would be the kitchen or outside a bathroom (heated). Maybe if they have the money a small cupboard like me.
Although they aren't great for unheated spaces, they certainly do work in the UK (I live in the UK) and I wouldn't call it misleading to people who use them in indirectly heated spaces (under the stairs or conservatory), plus the other benefits (better for clothes, much less water vapour) are still there and apply even more so if you are placing them in the home.