Thomas Szasz interviewed by Jonathan Miller - States of Mind (1983)
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- Jonathan Miller interviews Thomas Szasz, author of The Myth of Mental Illness, in his series States of Mind (1983).
Apologies for the low quality VHS rip. It has unfortunately deteriorated and this is all that remains.
Wish you were still with us dr Thomas Szasz. A true doctor "first do no harm".
'There's no solution for life !', he had a marvelous ability to make people look again at their underlying assumptions.
He articulates himself very well in English and it's he's second language..
Moreover T.Szasz came to the US when he was 8 years old, had finished he's medical studies and became PHD in Psychiatry.
Great achievement for a foreign person...
I thought he was an MD
Wow, what a find, thank you!
Yes! Very mentally stimulating to see 2 obvious "intellectuals" tackle some very important and disturbing subjects, without going for each other's throats! I have my own solutions to these widespread illnesses, mental and physical, which I PRACTICE, and why I have not been sick in 37 years! Of course, bc I have no CREDIBILITY (no titles), I am not taken seriously by the programmed masses, but instead I am ridiculed, and swept aside!
@@mr.blackhawk142 Regardless of credibility, mental health is the practice of agapeic love. Doctors in the Mental Health Industry don't bother with this!
What’s worse and not mentioned here is the brainwashing of the populace, where lay people routinely “diagnose”/ label people, their family, friends, co workers. Some go as far as interpret current events in terms of psychology ( psychobabble) causing tremendous harm to themselves and others!
Love u Prof Szazs! You r most wonderful!
Bravo for this rarity.
thanks for uploading ❤ Thomas Szasz keeps me sane. pa-dum!!
Very quality human being
Wish you could electronically stabilize this video.I've seen several of SZASZ but not this British one! The world needs to listen to what SZASZ has said!! (btw,SZASZ was on the Dick Cavett Show (5.22.1970 STILL not on UA-cam...do you have it?)
That’s how you conduct an interview
I'm new to Miller, and I am watching everything I can about him atm. Too bad the video quality is so bad, but the audio is not as bad, so I got 99% of what they were saying. People with titles, as in 'Doctor' do NOT impress me. This is mainly bc most of them are so corrupt nowadaze!
Great quality
Rest in peace Dr Szasz. 🙏🐸
“ Psychology” I e. Psychobabble has permeated our culture where anyone who had to take psych 101 in order to graduate college ends up labeling their families, friends co workers etc by labeling them as per the DSM , ruining the good name of others out of their ignorance low IQ and plain Stupidity.
Grrrr
Every psychiatrist should watch this, then quit.
Psychiatry is way too LUCRATIVE, and a MAIN reason why it does not function in any virtuous way. (it does NOT help anyone but the psychiatrist)
Mental Health professionals must Talent Train demoralized people - as is done by Howard Glasser, Madan Katara and Peter Breggin. Anyone can develop a cathexis!
Giving someone a pessimistic disease-like Label, then neurotoxic drugs/ECT - to thus become a cash cow for the psychiatric - pharmaceutical co-franchise!@@mr.blackhawk142
Mental health is the development of a mental + emotional dedication - a cathexis!
If it's medical it has to be biochemical, anatomical, or physiological. Otherwise you're making an assumption that some reductive causal chain of dysfunction that stands behind the inapt behaviour. But the people who casually assume this can't decide whether the same causal chain stands behind their behaviour, including their medical practice. As Szasz says, there were a few people who'd been poisoned by mercury or dropped on their head. Then there were others who behaved in this way, with no obvious cause. As soon as Judeo-Christian ethics demanded that this group deserved a very therapeutic approach their numbers increased. Well, of course. Go figure.
Is this entire interview included in Miller’s States of Mind book?
Orphanages for adults. Truth.
Bethleham hospital in England was founded in 1242. By the 1300s, tourists paid to gawk at the chained prisoners - "Bedlam!"
Dr. Thomas Szasz is in a category with Oskar Schindler .
Yes murder is a form of conduct that is consistenly NOT representative of the main mass of human behaviour that does not mean it is a disease.
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Words clipped out. Can fix?
unga bunga....simba.
Did he ever share about eating disorders?
WVO Quine pointed out the absurdity of the insanity defence for anyone (like a medic) who casually assumes determinism is true, and that the mind is the brain. Doesn't that imply that *every* murder has a causal chain behind it?! 😂
Yes, but the ‘insanity defense’ is only absurd for a determinist if he goes on to deny the causal chain behind every murderer. If he affirms it, it’s perfectly coherent :)
I am very much such a determinist. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t put murderers in jail tho. It just morally absolves them. I would never argue we put people in jail to punish them, rather we put them in jail because they are a menace to society.
@@adamnyman7973 But "arguing" about whether jailing i) prevents the jailed person's future offences, and ii) is a causal chain interrupting other's possible world offences, is also absurd. The "arguments" are "the next noises that have to happen". Determinism is nonsense.
@@craigross341 ‘Arguing’ might be absurd, but talking isn’t. There are many reasons to talk besides ‘to try to convince’.
@@adamnyman7973 Who can "talk" if determinism is true? It's all just noise. A physicist supposedly saying E=ML is the same thing as a dog yawning eeee-eee-kwals-mmm-lll. It's all just what causation next produces. Or so determinism implies. Which is why it's a bollocks theory.
@@craigross341 Too intelligent for us Craig. Off to Mensa with you LOL.
Where you getting these vids bruv
See Dialogue Cures for Psychotic Problems with Jaakko Seikkula.
YES! LET US ADDRESS SPIRITUAL BANKRUPTCY IN AN INDIVIDUAL! GOD HEALS!❤❤❤
Mr Rubin, You may be the only media personality that recognizes and has acknowledged that Ms Harris is cognitively impaired. Please elevate these concerns, before it’s too late. She needs to be evaluated ASAP. Even if she wasn’t impaired she is not competent.
No, he didnt
Does he think there’s demons?
Does WHO think???
OBG in a Szasz comment section? I think Szasz was an atheist. He was around a lot of minarchists and anarcho capitalists, too.
@@mr.blackhawk142Szasz
@@StevenmulraneyI got my PhD in clinical psychology from SUNY Stony Brook in 1990. Internship and post-doc at UCSF Medical Center, licensed 1993-2018. I quit to devote myself to the Orthodox ascetic struggle for theosis. 😊
@orthodoxboomergrandma3561 you were a PhD before I was born
Ling and Szasz had a point about what thad come before and the use of drugs but if you are mentally ill these are semantics you juast want to feel better. A pragmatic approach that is humane and paitient focused sometimes works. Drugs rearely bring panacea.
It's not just semantics. If you pretend that an ethical/spiritual/existencial (whatever you want to call it) problem is a disease, and try to treat it like a disease (even in a humane way), you are bound to fail to address the basic problem, even though you can sometimes succeed in squelching the symptoms. Lies have consequences. That's why psychiatry is so terribly ineffective today.
@@MrMatstu We have no better model than a disease model. If w return to mental illness being spiritual etc we are back in the Victorian asylums.This is a simplification but the word spiritual makes me uncomfortable.
Presupposing what he is arguing against.
@@enlightenedturtle9507 Fair enough. I’m not an expert. I suppose I can only tell you what my opinion is from the reading I’ve done and the other media I’ve consumed. I don’t think I’ve said anything outrageous given the work of Szasz
@@vanderark89 except szasz doesn't connect it to the spiritual.
30:00 👆🏻
Like calling the TV repairman because you don't like the show that's on.
David Bowie's Art Decade at the beginning :D
Can you assemble a few words in a certain order that are legible, and actually beneficial to someone?
Dr Szazz committed suicide himself. The great Catholic Theologian St Thomas Aquinas said suicide is a sin, an offense against God. This Atheist Psychiatrist spoke too much about Religious arguments of humans but said nothing about God Himself, and I suppose that is because He does not believe in Him. In one way or another all Psychiatry has been injurious to humanity as a whole. The harm done has greatly outweighed the so called benefits.
Did he ?, and why?
Szasz used his common sense got nothing to do with religion.
When in doubt; LIE
Trauma , Extreme Trauma sometimes beginning in Childhood. This Country needs free Mental Health Clinics especially since the Pandemic. There are many who do have Mental Health Illness including Depression, Anxiety, BiPolar Disorder, etc. There must be Free Mental Health Centers throughout this Country Which offer Doctors, Nurses, Social Workers, Shelter advisors, Mental Health Professionals. There is a Crisis in the USA. Gut Health is also involved and must be addressed. A Holistic, Integrative approach is best .
Some Disorders do require Drugs . Delusional Disorders, Dissociation, Psychosis and more serious Mental Health Disorders.
A new model must be created, now is the time. There is new research available.
There is an epidemic of homelessness, Violence, Crimes since the Pandemic.
This Crisis must be addressed. 2022
No
The crisis is mass hysteria, people think they are "sick" and it's been coerced into the social culture
ALL DISEASE IS TOXICITY, especially mental illnesses!
Great job at linking mental Illness to violent behavior 😩 Also I wonder what would he say if he can see the scans of mentally ill patients diminished grey matter? Would he admit he was wrong? Or would he stubbornly hold on to his beliefs? I guess there’s no way of knowing now
Most people in mental hospitals/system are people who have been on the receiving end of relentless violence & or neglect since infancy rarely act out the violence perpetrated against them. This is what sent them crazy in the first place. The shooters & terrorists are also subjected to God knows what. Most people in mental hospitals are very compassionate long suffering individuals who have to put up with being labelled & isolated because the parents were not parents in many senses of the word. Psychiatry is trapped these days, but it is a trap of their own making.
These scans are also always done on people who take medication for their illness. Medication that alters the brain
It's usually the 'medicine' that causes the violent behaviour.
@@user-hc4ls5of3g THESE scans??? WHAT scans???
There is no link between violent crime and mental illness this is another lie created by psychiatry. Amazing there is violent crime anyway apart frm mental illness. He was a psychiatrist all his life do u think he did not know about the brain scans apparently proving mental illness, COME ON. Watch Dr John Read psych drugs and their alternatives video about 16:55 into video about brain scans. Common sense really.