I actually knew Zain was a monster when I played him in a local, but the moment I knew he was gonna be a problem was at Smash Con 2015 when he beat a VA legend known as Cyrain
I was watching chilli's stream a lot back then, around 2016. He and Azen were gassing Zain up, talking about how good he is. Next thing I know, I see he beat Plup at TBH. Next smash con he was in my pool and I clutched my round 1 so I could go destroyed in the ditto LOL
dash grab without jump cancel will only grab a crouching puff as marth if the puff is inhaling air. you will notice puff breaths in and out so zain had to time the grabs with the inhale
This video could also have talked about how Zain was the first marth to learn the Yoshi matchup, and be the first marth to start beating yoshi sometimes, because Zain was willing to lose and learn the matchup, until he got better.
Unrelated to the topic I gotta say...The older I got the more I am starting to lean more towards Armada as my favourite Melee Player/Person. I dunno what it is but his matureness is much more appealing to my older self nowadays.
Zain is isane but his marth is awesome and his roy was awesome too. Maybe roy is not as bad as people say he is sure he is not top 5 but still Roy got some stuff
the gameplay, the online, tournaments, local scene, compelling characters, party mode (items, fun stages), modding scene, controller scene, etc. I mean there are a billion reasons around playing Melee in 2023
that's like saying why do people still play chess thousands of years later? Nobody is gonna play a remaster (Or very few). Unless the remaster preserves all gameplay, which could be accomplished, but that is a brand new concept which has never been perfected before.
@@snared_ i play chess, but let me tell ya that in the beginning the queen didnt move like know for plenty of years, so yea it was like an update lol Nintendo directive are bunch of fools.
Why in Melee does Goldeen do nothing? Shouldn't it be a magicarp? That would be more lore accurate. Did the developers get those two pokémon confused with each other? Because they are similar looking fish.
I knew it was going to be about Zain. I know that Zain is getting all the results rn, a lot. But he aint the only Marth, marthing it out. Also he uses an special controller with a custom stick that resets to neutral position very easily thats how he is so consistent with the pivot f-smashes. m2k & ppmd watching a vid titled: "How One Player Redefined Marth" 😥
You’re right that other players have done a lot for marth. I agree it would’ve been cool I’m the video to give a shout-out to how Zain built off what they accomplished. However it is definitely fair to say that Zain redefined marth and I think m2k and ppmd would agree. Even for those two marth was mostly just a spacee killer and Zain has single handedly changed this. He has flipped a ton of top tier matchups on their head for their character in ways no prior marth could come close too
Yeah but before Zain so many of Marth's MUs were really underdeveloped for YEARS because M2K and PPMD would play other characters for those MUs and that has questioned Marth's SOLO viability because before zain's come up PewPewU was the best solo marth but even then he had many walls that prevent him from making far in bracket like Falcons and such like Zain's win at Shine 2018 has convinced me that yes you can solo main Marth in today's meta and I know you may say "oh but what about PP's victory at Apex 2015?" but he used Falco in a few matches like when people talk about how much Zain has done in marth's development in compared to M2K and PPMD it's really about solo marth
How one player defined Peach 🍑
Armada got the thug shaker fr.
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Let's go Chaler getting some well deserved recognition !
Zain actually switched to ICs for one of his sets against Leffen at LACS 5
loving the melee content.
I actually knew Zain was a monster when I played him in a local, but the moment I knew he was gonna be a problem was at Smash Con 2015 when he beat a VA legend known as Cyrain
I was watching chilli's stream a lot back then, around 2016. He and Azen were gassing Zain up, talking about how good he is. Next thing I know, I see he beat Plup at TBH.
Next smash con he was in my pool and I clutched my round 1 so I could go destroyed in the ditto LOL
thanks for the melee videos armada! You always have insight no other players can give
Was this streamed before LACS5? Armada says he’s yet to see zain try out ICs in a real set but now the world has seen it lol
dash grab without jump cancel will only grab a crouching puff as marth if the puff is inhaling air. you will notice puff breaths in and out so zain had to time the grabs with the inhale
Love some armada melee knowledge
Zain is my favorite player of all time!
Great video as always man!
Hearing your insights is so cool :) thanks for this
This video could also have talked about how Zain was the first marth to learn the Yoshi matchup, and be the first marth to start beating yoshi sometimes, because Zain was willing to lose and learn the matchup, until he got better.
I miss the Armada reactions, very cozy
Unrelated to the topic I gotta say...The older I got the more I am starting to lean more towards Armada as my favourite Melee Player/Person. I dunno what it is but his matureness is much more appealing to my older self nowadays.
How do you feel about PPMD? He strikes me as quite mature, as well.
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He seems so chill and friendly in an authentic way!
Zain is isane but his marth is awesome and his roy was awesome too. Maybe roy is not as bad as people say he is sure he is not top 5 but still Roy got some stuff
nah I think Roy is pretty fairly ranked, you have to literally be zain to get consistent wins against top players with him
Roy is garbage. There really isn't anything else to say about him
You have videos about roy?
Hbox and zain tied for the best placing player voted in, I believe
i like melee
Marf ❤
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Hi, everyone, can i know why people still play melee? Are your specting a remaster?
the gameplay, the online, tournaments, local scene, compelling characters, party mode (items, fun stages), modding scene, controller scene, etc. I mean there are a billion reasons around playing Melee in 2023
that's like saying why do people still play chess thousands of years later? Nobody is gonna play a remaster (Or very few). Unless the remaster preserves all gameplay, which could be accomplished, but that is a brand new concept which has never been perfected before.
@@snared_ i play chess, but let me tell ya that in the beginning the queen didnt move like know for plenty of years, so yea it was like an update lol
Nintendo directive are bunch of fools.
Why in Melee does Goldeen do nothing? Shouldn't it be a magicarp? That would be more lore accurate. Did the developers get those two pokémon confused with each other? Because they are similar looking fish.
Agreed but Goldeen and Magikarp aren't similar looking lol.
@@MrAllBlack015 I mean they're both fish and have orange. Thats what i meant
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I knew it was going to be about Zain. I know that Zain is getting all the results rn, a lot. But he aint the only Marth, marthing it out. Also he uses an special controller with a custom stick that resets to neutral position very easily thats how he is so consistent with the pivot f-smashes.
m2k & ppmd watching a vid titled: "How One Player Redefined Marth"
😥
You’re right that other players have done a lot for marth. I agree it would’ve been cool I’m the video to give a shout-out to how Zain built off what they accomplished. However it is definitely fair to say that Zain redefined marth and I think m2k and ppmd would agree. Even for those two marth was mostly just a spacee killer and Zain has single handedly changed this. He has flipped a ton of top tier matchups on their head for their character in ways no prior marth could come close too
He's literally the only Marth who even tried for Puff and Pika tho so idk what to tell ya buddy
Yeah but before Zain so many of Marth's MUs were really underdeveloped for YEARS because M2K and PPMD would play other characters for those MUs and that has questioned Marth's SOLO viability because before zain's come up PewPewU was the best solo marth but even then he had many walls that prevent him from making far in bracket like Falcons and such like Zain's win at Shine 2018 has convinced me that yes you can solo main Marth in today's meta and I know you may say "oh but what about PP's victory at Apex 2015?" but he used Falco in a few matches like when people talk about how much Zain has done in marth's development in compared to M2K and PPMD it's really about solo marth