WE SHOULD NOT HAVE LET EMBARK COOK WITH TERMINAL ATTACK (Season 3 Ranked Issues and Solutions)
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- HOW DID THEY MAKE IT WORSE THAN LAST SEASON :(((
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So glad they reverted the decision to have new players play terminal attack before they can play cashout. Right before twitch rivals too. They would have shot themselves in the foot with that one
That was the one that baffled me. These guys have such a good track record so far and deserve the benefit of the doubt. I'm confident they will make changes we want, we just have to be careful what we ask for...look at light & heavy now. Light has multiple options to almost instantly erase a heavy, and heavy's best ranged weapon is a shotgun.😅
That right there was proof that Nexon was forcing them to change the direction of the game because CS and Valorant are popular.
@@usamabinmuzaffar692 Yeah Embark would never do that, it goes against their manifesto
@@nonr.2347 I didn't say Embark was doing that. No studio wants to ruin their game. Publishers do it because they want money. And honestly speaking, if that was the case here, Embark played it incredibly well.
Biggest defender of TA ranked finally saw the light
Literally its more light attack than terminal attack
I personally think I never "defended TA", rather just want people to try it before hating on it. I only played TA S2 because of the grind not because I necessarily was the biggest "defender".
@@EkaZoko i didnt really enjoy TA last season but i gave it another try in S3 and i have to say it is actually really fun if you adapt your playstyle. I mean walking around without making noise and having just a few gadgets per round makes the game a bit slower but it also gives tactics a better chance to work. There is still chaos and hot moments but it is all more clear and less chaotic than World Tour which often feels unrewarding when just getting oneshot by a 3rd Party that you could not even hear because there are explosions around every corner
Insane that you can gain elo for losing or lose it for winning.
In chess if 2830 rated Magnus beat a 1200 rated beginner he would gain only a fraction of a point, but surely in the finals there's no reason for that big of rank disparity to happen in a match.
I feel like light class has too many busted weapons now to work well in terminal attack. Oh btw the amount of rounds added are a direct result of feedback from streamers.
Of all things to complain, #Rounds in Ranked TA is NOT one of them... Downtime is tragic for sure, 20sec start of round? and big, variable mid match reload of map for switch takes too long...
7-6 = 13 rounds of 20sec =4min of downtime + 1-2 min pause for side switch... Yeah, over 5min of downtime is enough for 2+ TA rounds... Or roughly half a Cashout tournament round... Too much...
But 4 round win, in casual TA is WAY too little...
Thinking about Ottr, his biggest concern is “getting clips”, which mostly are around being in the thick of combat and eliminating half the lobby. (Just an observation)
Honestly the biggest thing is what you said at the beginning. In terms of kit, only light can counter light in this mode
I’m not gunna lie I actually think heavies with winch claw counter lights real easy (unless the lights are using bow or sniper) I just don’t think many people are choosing heavy in TA for whatever reason.
@@Zlittlepenguin thats a good one, if you see them first and are in range
@Zlittlepenguin That's because you have to be in a situation where you get within 17 meters to even winch a light. Good luck in a world where lights run LH1 and snipers.
Remember, there's no health regen, so 90% when heavy is on attacker side they're already poked down to 100 health by the time they get to point.
When Heavy is on defense, they just get 90 sonar grenades on top of them blurting their position nonstop, then you have 2 or 3 invisible lights pushing you at once. GG
@@KevinMO91 its funny cause in S2 I saw these problems coming from a mile away, but the intial reaction some people thought “why would you run anything but heavy?”
Well, you just described why you should run pretty much only light if you want to cheese it
@@julio1148 If ranked TA came into season 2, Heavy 100 percent would of dominated ranked.
The problem, was the season 3 "balancing" changes.
They gutted any range Heavy had, Lewis could of used a slight damage nerf to like 23, not 22 but it didn't also need a recoil nerf. It's recoil was already hard to master, now its intentionally designed to be impossible.
M60 didn't need a nerf at all, it was already not a long range weapon due fall off damage. Instead it got it damage nerfed so hard (from 21 to 19) it wouldnt win a trade to save its life and they kept the same fall off damage so now its even worse at range lel.
At the same time light got buffs to its strongest gun that didn't even need a buff (LH1) on top of multiple other buffs, a stronger invis that straight up unseeable now if they stand still. Buffs to gadgets like sonar that were so strong of buffs the actually range was further then the pulses it sent out.
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I’m glad you’ve come to the other side
One thing about this guy is that he hasn't changed anything. He's just offering an honest opinion
@@-KIMISAFOXdidn't he literally ask for 13 rounds before they added them
@@nonr.2347 That was Staycation's crazy ass.
I LOVE LH1 SONAR THE GAME :D
World tour has been a lot more enjoyable, just wish it had weapon skin rewards. Ranked is gonna hold me hostage just because i want those skins
We dont know yet… they’ve been teasing the crap out of emerald for it
idk, might be "the finals" game mode that's locked.
@@Swysherr my theory is that maybe some of the highest rank (perhaps gold?) will join “the finals” to rank up to emerald.
Seems like a reasonable guess
I also lost 56 elo for winning....! Totally insane lol
I agree with everything except changing healing beams
Been saying the same thing about lihgt and the health poo. They have higher dps, shoot bigger tarets, have the least amount of recoil, are smaller, can go invis, 2 ranged weapons with no reload. Its an obvious advantage late in the round.
Final round best of 5 cashouts in tournament format with 1 cash out per round would even be a massive improvement
Never try to please all players and ranks with balance changes, only balance patches for high elo,seems like overwatch balance changes all over again.
The thing in the thumbnail is inaccurate, it was changed a day ago so that you get +500 or more per win regardless of enemy team rank.
not true. Had multiple games today where I gained less. I assume you watched an ottr video?
Im rank 20 on the leaderboards and havent had a single game where i got under 450 elo after patch
Yeah I dunno I feel like season 2 ranked was somehow easier to understand how your elo works than this “transparent” system. In season 2 if you won the first round of the tournament, you gained elo. If you lost the first round you lost elo. If you win more rounds you gain more elo. In season 3, I have no idea how it works other than winning usually gives you a lot and losing usually loses you a lot.
I hate that the game also doesn’t recognise when people leave the game, I lost 1000 elo because 2 of my team mates left, but then the next game I played I gained 1000 elo because an enemy left. I feel like that’s not really a measure of skill, that’s just dumb luck at that point.
I don’t really know how to fix that issue though… maybe a harsher punishment for people that leave games, but then again people sometimes disconnect for various reasons that don’t involve them doing it on purpose… I think the best way to do it is that if you lose due to somebody leaving the game, you only lose like 100 elo or something but if you win then you get even more (since it rarely happens anyway).
Either way, I think reducing the amount of rounds you have to play would also reduce the amount of people that leave. Even if they just make it best to 6 it would be better but I think 5 might be more ideal… I notice that if you lose 2-3 rounds right off the bat, people don’t generally want to stick around for another 30 minutes just to get smacked anyway.
You're idea is definitely interesting, having TA as a final round in tournament. But personally I think the biggest issues in cashout have to do with 3rd partying and some other random things that happen in the knockout rounds. A few changes to final round would be nice too
Thoughts on both heal beam AND defib added as specialties to terminal attack? (Heal beam can’t be used after having to recharge). Also only one of each specialization allowed per team
not sure if they will add defib as a special and make it limited to 1 each on a team but i do want them to add them somehow.
The beginning of the end started when power shift and they nerfed APS
Give heal beam a proper ammo count, make it have one mag in ranked term attack. Defib shouldn’t be brought into the “one life” mode just cuz I could see five people running medium defib so they all get two lives technically.
I can’t believe they removed manual rez from term attack. Give us revive by holding E.
7:24 that comes with time. I can probably much visualize every point on kyoto because I’ve played so many games since its launch
They should give the healing beam 1 full charge without recharge, which would give about 140 hp to play with.
I like the idea of a heal beam rework to be a heal gun or dart instead so people can't just hold their teams hands and/or insta reset a fight. Also if defib needs a counter. Same as the lights. Not sure why med doesn't have thermal vision (from beta) or sonars.
Agree with every point!
Although I agree with most of your points I’m still having fun this season. TA needs some work but it’s not as awful as I thought it was gonna be. Also if they keep expanding world tour it could be very cool. Balance in a game is never perfect it’s a process.
love you ekky boy
At some point it feels like players want to be bottle fed. I dont understand how you can claim to play for hundreds of hours and not have a general sense of the maps layout. I get not knowing the locations by name right off the bat but you have to start putting them together after a certain point.
Yea this is true, but from a person trying to get into TA, I feel like this is a simple issue to fix by giving simple visual information rather than just a callout.
When I played TA last night, i genuinely found myself not having a good time and actively getting very mad like i did in R6 and Val... Switched to World Tour and was laughing and having the best time (WHILE WINNING) with the boys. Like I really hope they bring back ranked cashout 😢
Everything about this game feels like a mess at the moment. Hopefully there are lots of players just having fun out there so the game doesn't die completely. It's easy for me to armchair QB, of course, but if I had a say, I'd suggest a hard reset. Work up some lore that puts the game in a new place altogether. My preference would be somehow merging this whole CNS thing back into the Game Show (just make up something about how CNS has to infiltrate matches within the gameshow or something rather than "hack the system" and somehow make up new modes like TA that for some reason persist within the story of the game). In that case, there is still the problem is figuring out how to do that on a short timeline, ideally far ahead of the end of S3. Can't do radical reworks, but how hard would it be to make every mode a "Cashout mode" in some sense? For TA, it's like Ekazo suggested for changes to the Final Round of a Cashout Tournament, just replace the "terminal" and the "key" with a "cashout station" and a "vault," and then fix the rules (mainly by reverting them back to Cashout rules, more or less). Experiment freely every patch or two and just chalk it up to the nature of the game show. Instead of TA, maybe try 5v5, one cashout station, no defenders and attackers, just teams spawning equidistant from a vault, one cashout for a nominal "$10k," first to $40k (i.e., best of 7). One station means merely starting the teams and vault at a reasonable distance from the cashout. Not even sure you'd have to block off the rest of the map. Same for Final Round of a Cashout Tournament, except 3v3, again, first to $40k. Again, just experiments. No one will assume that they're permanent changes, and if something seems to work better than other things, return to it often or make it semi-permanent. As long as we're experimenting, try cashouts that pay out at 25%, 50% and 75% in addition to 100% during 3v3v3v3. Many have suggested it. Just try it. Might help with the problem of 3rd partying. I think there are probably ways to convert Bank It and Power Shift into "Cashout modes," as well, but it's not obvious to me how much time and effort that would take. It's obvious I'm a little obsessed about having the game feel more coherent (as if it were an actual game show, built around the Cashout Tournament concept, that exists in the future), and I admit it's a little neurotic. Yeah, I know, it's just a game, but that game could still use some big changes to bring some semblance of simplicity and coherence, imho. Ekazo mentioned the ranked system. Perfect example. So easy to make a simple system that would be easy to understand, even if not "perfect." Ekazo is the galaxy brain, so I'll defer to him, but damn, how about just calibrate a function modeled on chess ELO calculations? (I have no idea if this would work, but maybe just update based on pairwise ratings, expected scores (expected win%), and actual scores (0 for a pairwise loss and 1 for a pairwise win) without being overly concerned with the order of these calculations versus the 3 opposing teams. Basically, anyone would be able to plug in the ratings of all the teams, get an updated rating, attribute the change to the players on the team proportionally, and be able to reproduce the result they see in the game. Add in some decay so that players at the top have to play enough to reestablish their ELO score. Publish it all for players to see. Transparent. Simple. Perfect? Of course not. Better? Could it be worse than the systems we've had so far?) Btw - I feel for you, ekazo. This whole situation feels simultaneously BS and surreal. I mean, did you catch that Twitch Rivals disaster? The bummers just keep coming.
Dude, what are you doing?
I didn't think twitch rivals was too bad, but it definitely had some controversy
Is it chalked for the finals?
They should reintroduce Recon Senses for medium to actually properly fit into the gamemode. Something to counter Lights with.
i'd prefer that not to happen
Totally agree on your thoughts, see this schiit happening all the way back when they released the silly game mode.
Me too, because when people realized it was a fun game mode. Most of the community asked for it to be ranked.
I have yet to use the meta light build. And I will never use meta builds. You will just see me on the side fishing and hooking.
And they thought 5 lights with lh1 against 5 lights with lh1 playing ta was better than hhm cash out
im stuck in gold 4. If i win i get 300 if i lost i lose 900, amazing experience :)
Ekekelo cooked again
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Turned the only TA fan against them 😞 Embark making all my nephews suffer 😢
Don’t change healing beams
So pretty much you want them to spend their time and effort fixing a game mode that's been in the game for half a season, that the game and maps weren't even designed around? 99% of the problems you list is solely because of this reason. The weapons, the classes, the abilities were never designed with TA in mind.
According to them, the only reason TA is ranked is to work on Ranked Cashout. They also stated they don't plan to update TA over the season. Doing any of this would take away from the time they supposedly need to fix cashout. I highly doubt they are gonna do a hybrid of cashout with something to TA as the final round.
The only answer to TA Ranked is to remove it period, there's zero way to balance BOTH game modes, balancing for cashout won't necessarily be good for TA and vise versa, in what world Embark split the limited resources they have doing this?
Would rather have an unchanged Season 2 cashout ranked while they slowly tested cashout changes on world tour.
I never necessarily said they should fix x instead of cashout. If they are committed to TA, then they should fix x. I fully agree cashout is in a better state right now.
@EkaZoko Well, the problem arises in that they stated that there are no plans to update ranked TA during this season.
Which leaves us worse off than we were in season 2.
A light dominated 5 stack meta, where Sonar and LH1 still reign supreme (even after the "nerfs").
Maps that are way too big, with zero direction for the game mode.
Spawns that are so bad that you can literally see the attacker barriers from the defenders' side on some spawns and the sweatiest teams have already memorized so attackers just get aped.
World Tour "ranking" is a joke. Played with one of the "top" players yesterday. Dude was gold rank at best, and this lizard said he plays 20 hours a day just to climb lol.
Meanwhile last season I could hold top 100 in ranked and still be able to work a job and have a life.
I saw streamers lose points for winning against a low elo team
All these TA defenders dude... I kept telling them they're gonna switch sides the moment s3 drops, and no, I don't have to play it to give an opinion because at the end of the day it's SnD, pretty much the core of FPS. What "tweaks" were devs supposed to make to make it better? Don't make me laugh.
Im so glad im not the only one complete disappointed in terminal attack, now people don't take cashout seriously and terminal take forever, killed the chaos
Well well well..
Terminal is trash for sure
1) ranked should be 5v5 cash out tournament. Appease everyone.
2) ranked points make no sense I’ve seen people win and do second best on their team and lose points. How is it that scuffed.
5v5 cash out tournament would be sick as fuck
The ranked system this season make more sense than last season. I’m around 22,000 rs at the time and I went up against as diamond and some other top 100 players. We lost 7-3 but still gained because of the rank disparity. It matters of your own individual rank vs the enemies individual rank and the matchup you had against the opponent. This rank system is way better
Hi ekazo
Why is it a problem that light has a game mode when heavy dominated the game for months
Why does a class need to dominate any game mode. Wouldn’t it be far more enjoyable with consistent balance?
Both are problems.
How long have you been playing? Lol this game is not meant for this game mode brother. Cashout and tournaments is what this game is made for . Terminal attack is literally a place holder so they can fix ranked tournament. They will not invest tine to make this game mode better lol . The game will die if they try to "fix" terminal attack ... terminal attack is literally ass .
You literally said my regen idea was bad lol
i dont remember specifically what I said, so I can't really reply accurately. but I can change my mind can't I?
TA is LTM
limited time mode?
I am so frustrated with these devs, they literally don't know what they are doing eith the game and the person who did LH1 balancing is definitely drunk. Any player with at least 500 hours played in different FPS games can see without playing looking only at the modes and weapon descriptions that all balance is dead and modes are just not gonna work. I don't know why devs keep saying in every letter that they are industry veterans, if they make such a "young" and inexperienced mistakes every patch like they are playing FPS games for 2 months only.
What's the problem to listen to guys like EkaZo if you can't balance the game and make good gamemodes...
leave lights alone, our health is already low as is
How about lights leave me alone. The lh1 buffs are busted as fuck, and c'mon dude cloaking in TA is retarded.
thats the problem, lights are alone. everyone is light haha.
I’ve just stopped trying to play the finals at this point, light just gets to be so annoying and I don’t want to play as light either and sometimes I sort of wish there would simply be 1 class rather than the 3. However I’m aware that takes away some of the specialty of the finals rather than any other fps. One big change that I think could bring me to want to play the finals again would be in the cashout style gamemodes would be changing from being given a flat $10,000 at the end of a cashout to instead earn (let’s say for example) $10 per tick in the game so it serves almost as a progress bar and you are rewarded for being in current possession of a cashout. Its so aggravating to have a cashout defended for almost its entire time just to randomly die to some snipers or invis rats to steal it at the very last second and gain nothing from having the cashout in our position
One other problem I unfortunately have with this game is the maps, I feel like the height can range so much on maps and they’re almost too big or too easily destructible. A change I think would be nice (in theory, I could be completely wrong) is that if a wall is broken or something like that, then the little broken bits can despawn rather than messing with your movement. One other thing is the movement in this game, it just feels too slow sometimes as someone who primarily plays medium and heavy. Yes, light has good movement but that’s just light but heavy just moves so slowly and can’t contest sometimes. All around I just feel like there’s problems with the finals and it makes it feel almost unpolished in a way..
No healing or defib its adumb concept as it is TA has enough problems .snipers should be removed from the game as well as flamethrower and melees and shields its what causes all the problems if TA didnt have invis , turrets , shield , and sniper. The game was better not just TA the whole game
Solution: remove everything I don't like... good idea
If you hate melees just say that lol
I think it just a tough pill to swallow but the finals might not be a good game. it’s a fun game not a good one
Tripping balls
I've watch like 1.5 minute - and I can say - EkaZo already cooking - please like this video to make Embark see this video. Gratz
But like - loosing and gain kind a good thing no?
And like about performance - one time i get like 0 kills in a match and got +800 ahahah)) cool.. but other day - loose versus top rank and loose 1k wtf
Gosh - 8 minutes and he cooking even more.. Guys - take this man to job - he know how to make it cool LMAO!!
and please fix it 🙏
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