Building the Ultimate Aerodynamic Bike - Mythbusters - S07 EP12 - Science Documentary
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- Join MythBusters in a groundbreaking episode as they compare motorcycle and car emissions, debunking common beliefs. The team conducts a 30-minute drive test, measuring pollutants with precision. Discover surprising results about fuel efficiency and environmental impact. In another segment, MythBusters explores the explosive myth from the movie "Red." Witness the creation of an aerodynamically efficient bike, aiming to challenge car emissions. The episode concludes with a thrilling RPG experiment, determining if a bullet can trigger a rocket-propelled grenade. Don't miss the science, tests, and conclusions in this MythBusters adventure!
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"Where you ever a kid?"
"No!"
Imagine Jamie as a baby with baret and mustache :D
only way I can imagine him
go up.. wait, you're at the top!
The reason cars are cleaner is simply the EURO emission norm. Bikes didn't have to comply until the 2000's and only in 2008 was the EURO4 norm enforced. Cars have always been two norms ahead of bikes. The reasoning was they're more fuel efficient so cleaner, until it turned to be wrong.
EURO specifically limits all the gasses on top of the obvious CO2 reduction. Those norms are the main reason big cities are not as smogged up anymore, unless it is somewhere those standards aren't enforced.
Though in the US "Trucks" are exempt from this which is why they are constantly pushed in advertisement and why pickups are so much more common in the US than in Europe.
@@MrMarinus18 Not anymore, as no truck without a EURO6 norm will make it onto European roads and we get quite a lot of them in Europe. Not all of course, but I see them regularly.
The reason bikes are dirtier in the USA is due to lax pollution regulations for motorcycles as compared to cars. US regulation is also way behind the EU specs. Simple as that. Not to mention all the modifications such as tossing the CAT, getting rid of constricting muffler and standard air box/filter, and reprogramming the ECU for more HP/Torque, that many if not most owners do to their bikes to chase higher performance. I'm not aware of any states that require motos to pass post sale emissions testing like they do for cars either.
@@JBean_COCR Not entirely true, as the US is currently sticking to the EURO norm as that is a massive market. Realistically, there is only one American motorcycle brand: Harley Davidson.
Indian is owned by Polaris, which is American, but all their bikes were designed by SwissAuto, for worldwide sale.
For bikes, that is now EURO4, where cars need to be EURO6.
All the mods are outside of any manufacturers influence. Both on cars and bikes. Almost no country in the world has an MOT for bikes, but that is changing.
For reference. Euro 5 is applicable since 2020 for motorcycles. these are the allowed emissions:
Carbon monoxide (CO): 1.60934 g/mile
Total hydrocarbons (THC): 0.160934 g/mile
Oxides of nitrogen (NOx): 0.096560 g/mile
Jamie is driving a yamaha wr250x in the video. in europe this should have been under the euro 3 standard (US didnt apply this standard). These were the limits back then:
Carbon monoxide (CO): 3.21868 g/mile
Hydrocarbons (HC): 0.482802 g/mile
Oxides of nitrogen (NOx): 0.241401 g/mile
- Were you ever a kid?
- No.
😂
I find it strange that they didn't mention Catalytic converters in the emissions myth. Discarding fuel efficiency and CO2 emissions what they tested for was basically the existence and efficiency of Catalytic converters. Instead of making the Bike slightly more fuel efficient they could have just added a good Catalytic converter to the Bike (which is mandatory in Cars) and it would have won easily.
Though with the motorcycles they should have increased it's emissions by 50% since cars carry 1.6 people on average.
catalytic converters are after the fact, all they do is scrum some of the gas in the exaust. makes very little differnce when the comparison is moot..
fact is More cubic inche's = more polution coming out... been an engine man all my life...if ya wanna go nit picky then I'lll say they forget to use 80's 90's and so on fuel.
big dif? not really sao they left that out too :-\ truth is all my vehicles are converted to run on water... er.. the hydrogen in water. :-\
@@MrMarinus18no one is suggesting 3 bikes are better than 1 car, it’s more for the single commuter.
Also catalytic converters only became standard in bikes in the mid 00s so none of the bikes tested would have had one
Yep.I thought just the same. I have a 2 litre Bike engine in my Morgan. It has four cats. It passes Euro 4. Those bikes had none so of course they had more crap in their exhaust. Mind you It is only a TV show after all.
@@HarmonRAB-hp4nk my parents had a car that was running weird and broke down on the side of the motorway, mechanic came, removed the cats from the car and the car ran fine, once we got back fitted new cats meant for a truck, and the car never broke down again
7:17, I've followed Mythbusters since I was a child, I'm now old and employed, but there have been hints and some scenes before, but this is clearly the first time I can remember, Adam can actually, sing. I've tried doing that and I sounded like a dying cat...
And he's damn good at it, holy hell
Came looking for this comment haha
When I first saw him sing I was like whaaaaat? he's really good. Whereas the only way I could carry a tune is in a bucket..
Well, sir, at least you don't sound like dying clown, chased by hound, like I do.
He also plays a couple instruments! There's a video on tested of him recording directly to vinyl at Jack Whites studio
I think the bikes pollute more because they have worse exhaust gas treatment than most cars.
That, they need a cat like a car to be comparable.
@@Donnerwamp They have huge cats. The entire underside of my bike is a fucking cat, and it's an euro 5.
@@adrian55051 Then it pollutes as much as any Euro 5 car per liter of burned fuel. Comparing by production year isn't the full information, there's more to it than that.
Agree. Imissions regulations were not a thing for motorcycles up until 2000 and even then the regulations were not as strict, compared to cars. But today they are the same at least in my country, so theoretically a modern bike should not be much worse than a modern car. @@Donnerwamp
I think bikes lack a catalytic converter so ya not treating the gasses the same as a car
Fun fact: "RPG" does not actually stand for "rocket-propelled grenade." That is merely the English/American label attached to them.
That said, the RPG line of Soviet/Russian-made weapons that the label became synonymous with - particularly the RPG-7, which is by far the most iconic of the line - is named with words whose initials are "RPG." However, those words are Russian words, which semi-roughly translate as "shoulder-mounted anti-tank weapon."
Handheld anti tank grenade launcher
Now I wonder if "RPG" is already translated, or of those are the actual russian initials.
Stands for that in North America
The rocket not being armed might explain the shaped charge not killing the good guy.
Yep, that was totally missed. Don't think the rocket would simply continue "like a large bullet". We habe fire, we have "fuel" and we have structural damage.
Took me like 2 seconds to look at that data and realise there's no catalytic converter on the bikes they tested
I am loving these episodes! I never saw these when they aired, so it's like brand new for me!
Notice the white cap on the end of the RPG. That’s a safety device because the end has a pressure switch to activate the warhead on impact. Anything impacting that RPG will set it off.
I just love watching Adam and Jamie's discussions. Wish we could see more of them uncut.
They avoid each other off camera when ever possible. uncut would revel the absolute hatred they have for each other.
They fight a lot
They are not friends and they can have disagreements but they have also both said that it is a joy working with the other because they work in sync and it shows. And I would love to see an uncut version of their planning stage.
I'm very happy to see so many fellow bikers in the comments having the same thoughts as me. On some level I get them ignoring cat converters as they clearly state they've picked them based on popularity and it's based on American law at that time but that doesn't really excuse them not mentioning it at all especially since by season 7 this show was worldwide popular and I remember subtitles translating all measurements to metric so everyone could understand. Still, love these old episodes, they are very nostalgic
These guys are my para social guilty pleasure, its so fun seeing jamie basically bouncing off the walls with how exited he is 😂
Adam must be fun at roadtrips.
Driving across Canada for 8 hours a day stopping at attractions along the way took me 2 weeks. Now imaging 2 weeks of that everyday sore from sitting and cooped up in a small car, what kind of person could put up with that? no wonder Jamie disliked Adam.
@@va3cpm they weren’t best friends outside the show but them hating each other is just a myth. They shared plenty of funny moments and laughs together over the years.
I could never deal with that.
And guess are what is even cleaner than driving a car or driving a motorcycle...
Sharing a car. It has multiple seats, so it can carry more people. And one car will be cleaner than four cars or four motorcycles.
You know you're Dutch that when they say bikes, you think of the bicycle.
Killer shot of that RPG, wow!
Thanks, Banijay!
24:25
“After tremendous amount of back and forth”
Literally 1 minute and 25 seconds
Love you videos,bikes normally have a top speed limit by aerodynamic forces, building a bubble alow for higher RPM and speed making the engine les efficient,so smaller poley in the rear will bring down RPM with higher speed.
Aerodynamic bike? So i drive a new Velomobile... 70km/h with 220Watt :D Thats aerodynamic !
But i love Mythbusters since i was a kid.
40:15 i would see this bubble in a windtunnel. Wind the same colored air as before. Because the opening at the front wheel might cause drag imo. Not sure though, i’m not a technician. Just curious. Anyways, the whole thing reminds me of the fifty’s. Old concept cars and also the airstreamer caravan 👍🏼
I cant keep up with the upload rate.
Love it.
pfft here on 5 megabit dsl... lol I get 5 down and a whole 0.5 upload LOL
@@HarmonRAB-hp4nk Now thats retro, I havent heard those numbers in years. So sorry for your circumstances, where are you at where u get so little service? 🥲
@@HarmonRAB-hp4nkdude thats what im getting and it runs me 170/month in usd. Brutal. Bvi
Smaller engines generally use less gasoline, but they also tend to burn worse. That's why car manufacturers have started to downsize their engines to increase fuel efficiency on the one hand, and have used all sorts of tricks to make the engines burn better or clean the exhaust gases better on the other. However, there is a third factor: power. Of course, these tricks must not ultimately make the engine too weak. This is the reason, for example, why today's petrol engines are direct injection engines and no longer have carburetors. Direct injection makes it possible to get more power out of a small engine. The disadvantage is that the fuel no longer burns cleanly and a particulate filter is required. Also, a motorcycle simply does not have that much space, i.e. it is difficult to install various filters, exhaust gas purifiers, catalytic converters, etc. here.
It's all about the cat. Which is why the myth that motorcycles are better for the environment was busted. Bikes don't have cats, no one is adding a cat to a bike. When people claim that their bikes are better for the environment they are only looking at fuel economy and not emissions as tested here
One thing you also see is that they use bigger engines at lower RPM.
This bike, without the tent, use just about as much petrol as my car. Impressive!
You're wrong though as most car manufacturers have gone in the opposite direction with bigger engines at lower RPM. One effect of this is that cars can more easily stall because the cylinders are very heavy and the fuel is only just enough to move them. If you don't have enough fuel when the clutch releases the inertia of the car can overpower the engine. Most modern cars have computer controlled fuel injection so that doesn't happen but if you have a car from the early 2010's you will know you often have to give them a lot of gas when driving off from a dead stop.
You notice fuel efficient engines a lot in the noise they make with a much lower and slower rumble in contrast to the high pitch sound of more fuel hungry engines.
@@MrMarinus18"with bigger engines"? No idea what you are talking about. The whole industry is downsizing motors for almost two decades now. Today plenty of cars come with 3 cylinders engine, that all used to have 4 in the past. Also gas motors today use direct injection instead of classic carburetors, because this allows smaller cylinders with less displacement. Just open the hood of any car produced the last ten year and compare the motor size to a car produced over two decades ago. The motor is always smaller. You may not have noticed that, as you may have moved to bigger cars like SUV or a pickup trucks, but if you take the same car class today and 20 years ago, the motor has always shrunk and also in pick up trucks the motors used to be bigger 20 years ago. Today you often get a 4 cylinder when it used to be a 6 cylinder in the past. And 8 cylinder cars don't even exist anymore as standard everyday cars, which was still a thing 40 years ago.
Yet my old Honda C90 gets 282mpg, I love the wee thing
I love this YAMAHA XTZ 250 25:10
Those two adorable puppies was really something.
Keep on Uploading Banijay Dude!👍👍👍
It's a company not an individual they bought the rights to the show so yes they will keep up loading.
i remember this very clearly, this is the episode that was banned in Canada.
The "better for the environment" thing is complex. Bikes take up less space, and thus keep traffic moving. More bikes means better traffic flow and EVERYONE burns less fuel.
Because of that, you might not have to build that motorway or tunnel, with all the environmental impact it causes.
Bikers are absolute nonces in my experience and cause problems. Brake stopping people and swerving in and out and brtween cars, such idiots that do those things.
There are still some pollutants they are not taking into account. Brake dust, tire dust and road dust, which the cars will produce more than motorcycles. (and thus cars cause more damage to road surfaces than motorcycles)
So, in my mind a new-ish (2010+) motorcycle is better in warm climates if you're going alone.
They conclude bikes are worse in terms of emissions based on all measures, but they started by saying CO2 makes up 90% of emissions, and bikes were far better in the regard.
I love how UA-cam recommended this to me.
14:30 Fuel Efficiency: from 1980 to 2000, efficiency diminished? For the same trip, it takes more and more fuel? Am I reading this first chart correctly? In the bubble-bike, where does the exhaust go?
Yeah - over time, cars got heavier, and that's where you really lose a ton of efficiency.
@@MaligoLibes i thought cars generally were heavier in the past.
Imagine if top gear and myth busters had a collaboration episode where it's just the stig driving the bike for the test
Kari had a great personality in this one
hubba hubba
The RPG-7V round has a terminal phase where it is finished with, I forget if it turns off or discharges decades ago... There is to updated RPG-7V2, never played with one.
5:53 Adam foreshadowing his UA-cam channel.
It's already been done and much better; the Peraves Ecomobile
Motorcycles don't tend to end up sat in traffic jams just burning fuel..
The Bullet vs RPG, when they actually shot the RPG the RPG didn't fire the shrapnel
Only nonce bikers dont wait in line in traffic. I see so much stupid and reckless behavior from some bikers.
the title of this episode tells me how incredibly Dutch I am, as the first thing on my mind when I read 'bike' is the pedal type, not the motorized type. That was very confusing when they started talking about air polution and which one was worse.
They made a huge mistake: about 2 of the 3 cars are equipped with a fuel injection which heavily reduces the emissions of hydrocarbons, and the bikes are equipped with carburetors which everybody knows have been forbidden on cars because of their habit to let more fuel passing through the exhaust. Electronic fuel injections (Which equip all modern cars since the early 90's) are equipped with sensors in the exhaust to measure hydrocarbons an monoxide emission and to tell the engine's ECU to enrich or to lean up the fuel mixture.
Put electronic injection on bikes and they won't produce monoxide or unburned hydrocarbons etc...
Yes but most bikes from the nineties and even the 2000s were all carbureted because it was simple and easy to maintain fuel injection didn't start being such a mainstream thing in bikes till about 2008-2010
42:27 i would never trade my bike for a car 😂
The carbon footprint of manufacturing is much smaller for bikes, especially the smaller ones...
In fact it's so large in manufacturing that the emissions will never equal that carbon footprint.
one of my fave shows
Am I the only one who thought "Tron Legacy" for the design of the motorcycle cover 🤔
Oh hey it's the dimple car from season 6!
one thing wonder is if their "late model" motorbike was from before or after catalytic converters started showing up on bikes
They mentioned that it had a catalytic converter.
But you also have to increase the emissions on the bikes by about 50% since on average cars carry 1.6 people.
Though this is ignoring that almost half of all trips by car are capable of being done by bicycle and of course that beats everything hands down.
@@MrMarinus18 Why is everybody talking about vehicle occupancy? If everyone starts to carry a passenger in their bikes, it will make them magically more efficient? 🤣 I don't think so. The point of the first test was all about emissions. Every single internal combustion machine decreases its efficiency as the load increases and low fuel efficiency means high emissions .
@@MrMarinus18 Oh I forget to say that you are totally right about bicycles. As long as your city has bicycle friendly streets and spaces.
@@asadabdulqaabir4006 That would've made for an interesting revisit, testing the effects of adding a passenger to the vehicles (both bike and car) on emissions.
I wonder why they didn't make and take a smaller version to the wind tunnel first?
no wonder bikes produce more stuff that would be filtered out by a catalytic convertor :D because those where implemented into bikes after 2003 .. so yeah
the exhaust needs to go out of that teardrop shape :D other than that its beautiful :D
He did say the last one he used had a cat in it
like a week ago I realised I was alone in a soundproof box in the woods when driving home , So I got the great idea to scream as loud as I could, and I think my ears are still ringing.
Time to get a cat con for the bike
I'm a HUGE fan of Red's Bazookas.
I really hope that the whole point of the bubble bike episode was for jamie to keep that yamaha and write it off as a business expense!
Nice!
I'm not sure how those bikini gauges and pressure waves work but it seems intuitive that they should have been facing the explosion, not perpendicular to them. It just seems like the way they were orientated that the pressure wave would pass across the face of the gauge and not act on it with it's maximum force.
Don't suppose there are any actual experts in the field in these comments that could weigh in?
Driving around with the two tons of excessive heavy metal might have something to do with it.
Ian from Forgotten Weapons have spoken about insurgents blowing themselves up by tripping with an RPG with an exposed fuse slamming the floor. So I have some conflicting information regarding the arming of RPG warheads.
i know that with mortars, you can change how the fuse/detonator functions, i suspect its the same with types of rockets.
its also possible that if they run with finger on the trigger, they could pull as they fall
RPG Rockets are manufactured by a wide range of suppliers, and so the quality and inclusion of safety devices varies.
Some are armed by acceleration, some by second stage activation, some by spinning.
It's likely that insurgents only have access to the cheaper rockets, likely with poor safety features and build quality.
The gases given off by vehicles ain’t bad for the environment… it’s the amount of gases that’s the issue.
Whats the difference?
... And another thing. they appear to be using AP rounds. Don't RPG rounds come in high explosive and amour piercing ?
There are many varieties of RPG-7 compatible grenades. The most common one (the one in the video), colloquially called "the carrot", is a HEAT grenade with 400mm (15¾") armor penetration. It easily rips open armored vehicles and can even punch through modern tanks' side and rear armor. As is shown in the video, besides being able to penetrate very thick armor, it also produces a generally violent explosion that will instantly kill or grievously injure anyone close-by. A much older version of the same grenade only had 260mm (10") of penetration, but not for the want of high explosive content, just early technology. And a newer version (of 1977) has 600mm (23½") of penetration, though it's twice as heavy. A less common type is HE frag grenade, called "the pencil" because it looks like one, produces a much weaker explosion but much more of lethal flak in all directions. A regular HEAT grenade will pretty much do the same job while also being able to defeat armor, the downside being much greater grenade weight and size, hence the anti-personnel grenades are not used very often even against personnel; also it came out in 1999. A bit earlier anti-personnel grenade uses thermobaric explosives and is even less common. A modernized anti-tank grenade has a tandem HEAT warhead, one regular and one tiny at the front, you probably seen these as HAMAS has been using ones almost exclusively in Gaza. The front warhead mainly just triggers target's anti-rocket protection, making it a waste, and the follow-up main charge punches through unprotected metal, but if there was nothing to trigger then it adds a small amount of penetration too.
The RPG-7 is kind of unique as it's not strictly a RPG, it's a hybrid between a RPG and a recoilless rifle. It's essentially a recoilless rifle that fires RPG rounds. This is part of why it's so successful since it can take a very wide variety of projectiles, not just RPG's.
@@MrMarinus18 Mate, RPG is a backronym from Russian РПГ which means hand-held anti-tank grenade launcher. Whatever you think RPG means in english was shoehorned to fit the letters.
Does the amour piercing involve Cupid with his bow and arrow?
Well. The rpg was not shot with a bullet in the last test. Maybe the bullet interrupts the copper from being pushed forward...
investigate what they do at Bonneville
Trade gas car for electric bike, not for electric car :)
Adam- were you a kid? Jamie- no. = But now I need to see 12 year old Jamie... lol no doubt with beret and glasses.... I was thinking this morning actually that the lives of both these guys would be very interesting to hear about... They could do a show just on that and make all the money they want.... never ending berets and cookies....
[Neigbour asks:].. anybuddy check the exhausts >inside> the frame?
"...instant data..." an AI somewhere just had an "accident".
41:00
How about the extra weight?!!
And why didn’t you choose the 00’s bike since it has better gr/mi emissions?!!
The bike just needs a bigger catalytic converter.
Come on guys, why car is cleaner?
Cars have catalytic converter , put it on a bike and see the result... LOL
Just add palladium catalytic converter to motorcycle et voilla, no unburned hydrocarbons nor nitrous oxides.
edit: Actually, they have in newer motos. (2006-present), show was aired in 2009, so they didn't try hard.
Despicable me villains cars be like 😅
2024 Eu Emissions standards are the same for bikes and cars. RIP 2 stroke.
Super! Mythbuster!
considering some gases are higher by like 7000% I really don't think 3 extra seats will cover that
the thing about bikes is that those have just straight pipe with muffler on the end where cars have catalytic converter in the middle that somewhat cleans the exhaust
Bikes nowadays have catalytic converters as well.
@@maj0mi23 yes, nowadays since there is the regulations for that but when the show was filmed there was non
@@HebuTheLoneWolf Jamie at 36.17 mentions it having a catalytic converter.
Yep, my V-twin 600CC with strait through pipes agrees, but omg it sounds like the God of thunder, so I don't care! HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
i drive a 125cc motorbike and spend about £15 a month on fuel and in a car for 1 month i spend about £60 but on a 600cc karaski for 1 month i spend about£60 as well. so it all depends on the engine size. the 125cc is cheaper for everything such as insures mot and everything els.
Are they bring this awesome show back?
No
SloMo guys should replicate this with higher frame rate :)
Maybe E-bike was the best option
Immissions regulations for bikes was not a thing until the late 90s. The first catalytic converters came into motorcycles in the early 2000s. You should have tested a new motorcycle as well.
Euro 5+ is now mandatory on all new bikes in the EU.
They did say the last bike was fuel injected, with a Cat etc etc.
Immissions >>>???????
What about the weight of the Steel frame?
Yeah.. except that the tear drop shape isn't the most efficient..
A teardrop is the most aerodynamic "simple" shape. With a drag coefficient of 0.04.
Short of using advanced computer simulations, it's about as best you could hope for in a fairly improvised setting.
In reality the shape has to be compromised for many reasons, the worst reason is aesthetics, but there is also the need to provide space for components, and give the vehicle operators room, not to mention other aerodynamic effects.
Things change under supersonic flow though, and more wedge like shapes can have better characteristics.
Its so weird that grant is gone
Theres no way that monstrosity is going to run better than a normal bike. Maybe ill be wrong but i dunno, seems clunky.
A rpg arms at 11 meters (36 feet), not 60 feet.
adam: were u ever a kid ?
jamie: ... No
That's why in EU motorcycle's must have catalytic converter
I don’t think Bikes are as polluting as they used to be, they only started putting catalytic converters in them in the mid 00s so none of the 3 tested bikes would have one whereas 2 of the cars probably did
All 3 cars will have cats . They've been in use from the 70s .
The bike they used at the end had a cat as Jamie mentioned. But ultimately a bike cat can only be so big. It helps, but not as much as the significantly larger cat on a car.
There is a thing called catalytic converter in cars, I don't think these bikes have it.
you gotta love it when they portray global warming with a nuclear powerplant cooling tower
cover the frame with duct tape😅
It's the Murkle Man
Exhoust gases!!
So I guess RPG is a misnomer, eh? A more accurate name would be RPSC (Rocket-Propelled Shaped Charge).
The RPG-7 (Russian: РПГ-7, Ручной Противотанковый Гранатомёт, romanized: Ruchnoy Protivotankovyy Granatomot, lit. 'Handheld Anti-Tank Grenade-launcher') is a portable, reusable, unguided, shoulder-launched , anti-tank , rocket launcher .
Ruskies don't use English.
Even if they would, RPSC wouldn't make sense because RPG-7 has different warheads.
have you guys remove the catalys converter?
Shame they used highly strung bikes vs slow average cars
Seeing that old "modern" superbike for the first time gave away how dated this show is
I'd hate to be stuck in traffic with that bike 'fairing' they built, how long until you pass out from the exhaust gasses?