My husband bought me a cheap fountain Pen on Wish and now I'm fascinated by them! I love it, I feel like my pen was a fine or maybe a medium, but my kids were oh so nice and lost my favorite pen, this video was very helpful! I'm ordering a pen now!
I am the biggenner with fountain pen and had the least knowledge regarding the nib variety. I was just hitting the couple of videos till I got this one, Very useful. Thanks for knowledge.
I just bought my first pens, some Lamy Safari models and so far I really love the Lamy Extra Fine. That is perfect. I understand Japanese brands like Pilot have even finer nibs so I may check those out at some point.
My favorite nib size is all of them actually, but I tend to purchase fines most often. I really liked the way you laid out writing style to nib sizes a lot more than what was suggested to me when I went shopping for a new pen at a brick and mortar store. They asked me to sit down and write words with the letter e in them to see how big of a loop I made while writing it down.
I really liked this video. The info you put out is timeless/ageless... as relevant today (2020) as it was in 2018! Thank you for your time, effort, knowledge and humor!
My favourite nib size is the EF, Japanese EF, mostly because I work in a lab and need to be tidy! Also I use document inks because record keeping is a must! My pens are the Pilot Dècimo capless and a TWSBI Diamond, both with EF. Love them both. However, for lettering I have the Pilot parallel set which i adore! Love the video!!
I've been a fountain pen enthusiast for many years. My current favorite nib is the 1.1 mm stub for general writing, journaling, etc. I do have a couple of pens with either medium or fine nibs. These I use for writing where a quick note, or filling out a form is necessary.
@@dimpmelas2967 perfect, actually. I wrote in fine and medium, the fine lasted longer in terms of ink. I prefer medium, it feels much more smoother. I don't mind the feathering of the ink on cheap paper, but it feels better when I write with medium. Not fit the majority of fountain pen users I know. They prefer fine. So, it's all up to your style of writing.
My favorite nib is a moving target. I'm still in the 'collecting' phase as a newbie, so am enjoying to 'feel' the difference that each type brings. I'm holding off on flex nibs until I've experienced the more standard ones. And oh,,, the ink/paper combo makes such a huge difference in the written result...
This is a really good intro video. One thing that needs to be mentioned though would be one more practical application of finding the right nib size: How nib sizes work for students. As a student, fine points nibs are a must, because you'll spend a great deal of time switching between your FP friendly paper and the cheap nasty paper that a school uses for things like tests, assignments, forms and general handouts. You usually don't have the luxury of time to dig out a pen that can handle the cheap paper during classes, so it makes sense simply to use a fine point nib at all times. Also, Japanese fine pens are a must for anyone who does a great deal of everyday writing in East Asian languages. I'm a Japanese major, and can't imagine using anything other than a fine point pen for the tasks demanded of me. My two go-to pens for Japanese writing are a Platinum 3776 with a fine nib, or a Sailor 1911 with a 21K EF nib. Few other pens can lay down a 20-stroke kanji in a 6mm Kokuyo Campus line space with the precision and deftness of these pens. Pilot probably makes some FPs that would work, but I find that the "softness" of the 14K or 21K nibs gives the Platinum and Sailor pens a little more line variation and a "singing" quality to the writing, as in how beautifully and easily they lay down the characters. I also find it ironic that you talk about how people who write big shouldn't use finer nibs. I was the last of the handwriting-dominant students from the 70s, where everything was done by hand, so I have the "standard" Palmer script of that era. I don't consider my handwriting exceptionally large, but it's much--MUCH--larger than my husband's, and he was an 80s kid. Yet he prefers medium point pens while I consistently prefer fine point. Go figure.
Note: Just because I prefer fine nibs doesn't mean I don't have fun with other nib sizes. I have pens ranging from Japanese XF to 2.0 stub nib, and goof off with them quite a bit. I've recently dipped my toe into calligraphy and pen and ink drawing, and playing with the various nib sizes through those has been quite fun. I'm also waiting on my first flex nib, which is supposed to arrive next week. Can't wait to give that a go!
Aquaria Austin I have a rather big handwriting, so I am comfortable with medium nibs, but I love the lines made with fine and extra fine nibs such as Platinum’s. I’ve found that a my handwriting automatically becomes smaller when I use those nibs.
I have several Lamy Safarys, with medium and broad nibs but have found certain inconsistencies in their widths, such as a medium writing broader than a broad. My children gave me a Montblanc when I turned sixty: it compares to no other. For everyday class notes I either use a Lamy or a Parker fronteer, whose drawback is that after some years they start getting clogged.
Very informative video; thanks! I've been using fountain pens for about six years now and own a few dozen in various brands and nibs. My favorite nib size is a stub; most of mine are 1.1 which I usually use, but I also have a 0.8 and 0.6. I like the line variation it adds to my cursive handwriting. I'm retired and don't do a lot of lengthy handwriting, for which I'd probably use a medium nib. I love my stub nibs for signing greeting and Christmas cards and writing brief notes and brief correspondence. The stub nibs also allow my beautiful inks to show their sheen or shimmer. I like Clairefontaine Triomphe tablet paper for correspondence, and Clairefontaine and Rhodia for notebooks.
An invaluable vid for newbies -- and even old dogs. My "hand" calls for a fine or even an EF (I have a 3776 UEF but it is a bit on the scratchy side) but over my few decades w/ FPs I've been compelled to buy and try mediums, a few stubs etc. I like playing with the latter ones but day to day, it's EF to F for me. If I knew then what I know now, I might have (only "might) have saved my wallet a few hits -- or not! FPs can be such a (legal) addiction!
I've been writing with Fine point ever since college (I could cram sooooo much onto one page with a Fine!), but now I find myself salivating over the 1.1mm stub nib. I learned to do calligraphy in high school, and the appeal has never completely gone away!
I just found this video and I thank you for it …. I wrote with fountain pens way back in school days (yes I’m that old) and I took a calligraphy course when an adult …. I put away my pens for several years and have just discovered or re-discovered my love for them. I recently bought a TWSBI Eco which I really like except I forgot to choose fine so ended up with medium and am having to adjust my small writing to writing a little more freely … so finding this video was a delight as it has helped me see that I need (want more than need) on of every size! 😮. I look forward to watching more of your videos … thanks
I’ve always loved the extra fine nibs and would get them whenever I could. Now that ink has come so far with so many variants, I’m going into the broad nib to show off the ink!
I appreciate your videos. You are a good speaker with a pleasant voice and a nice cadence which speaks to your wonderfully writing. I recently rediscovered the joy of using fountain pens and now I'm devotee. I use inexpensive but nice pens that are within my means: the Pilot Metropolitan with fine nib, a Platinum Preppy, My father's A&W, a pretty good Jinhao 601 (tuned and polished the nib on that one) and today my TWSBI ECO with 1.1 stub arrived. I love it and I'm having fun getting the hang of the stub. I might try a slightly smaller stub as I'm a neat small note taker but I like a little flair..
I have watched a LOT of fountain pen videos in the past week and wish I hadn't bought a Manuscript medium tip for my first pen. I am sure I'll do much better with a fine tip, but am also interested in a stub too :). This was a great overview, esp seeing all the pens in use, lined up like that. TY.
I love your store and especially the information you provide. I like to use different nib sizes, too. I use extra fine to fine nibs for Bullet Journaling, fine to medium for notes & general writing, and stub nibs for page titles and correspondence. Out of all the modern flex nib fountain pens available I still prefer a Noodler's Ink Nib Creaper or Ahab. They have a faster rebound from full flex to fine line than others I've tried. My absolute favorite for flex pen writing and always for correspondence, however, is a dip pen. The first time I used a dip pen it was as if my soul soared into the heavens. I have a piece of point pen calligraphy I wrote that I keep at my desk that says, "I write with fountain pens for pleasure; I write Calligraphy for joy!"
Wow. This video takes away so much of confusion a lot of people have regarding the nibs to choose when it comes to fountain pens. Thanks for the video and keep up the good work 👍.
I found my favorite nib! Soft Broad, available in Pilot Falcon. I value the sheen of specialty inks. I also have an extra-fine Pelikan specifically for letter writing on Tomoe River loose sheets. Oh. And a fude nib Sailor for urban sketching.
One key, binary distinction you neglected to mention is the purpose: work versus other. If you're planning to use your pen to fill out forms, take notes to share (or even for personal use), or other professional purposes, smaller is better. Extra-Fine is generally the way to go, though a Fine nib might be acceptable. The more artistic your purposes, the more a larger nib may suit the purpose. I always carry a work pen such as a Lamy Safari with an Extra-Fine nib and a blue or black ink chosen to be water-resistant. If I think I might have occasion for writing with a little more flair, maybe I'll bring a pen with a larger and/or flex nib inked with a more artistic or creative color of ink.
I vote for medium cursive italic. I love stubs and broad nibs, but I often wish they were slightly narrower. So Franklin Christoph has some options that I can't easily get elsewhere. Although I will have to consider the Esterbrook options. I go for fine or medium when doing art or my FA nib on my 912 with an ebonite feed. So I guess I love all of the nibs. Thanks for the fun video!
Really good video. I generally write really slow, taking care of the letters. I'll try a Lamy Safari with fine nib. If someday I'll think on switching the nib but not the pen, then I can buy just the nib. The only bad thing is that here (Brasil) the fountain pens are extremely expensive and rare, where generally a US$20 pen costs R$200. Thanks for the great video!
I really like bent nibs. They have the most variation. Basically it's a fine, broad and >BB all in one. You'll have to get used to it, but those bent (or sometimes called "Fude") nibs are a big fun if you learn how to use them. An example is the Sailor Fude de Mannen
For general writing, where for example I may be writing on common office supply store or school supply store paper, a fine nib will do. Not so much bleed through and feathering. For journaling, or song writing on better quality paper, I prefer a 1.1 mm stub nib. For writing out my students' guitar lessons, rather than computer generated notation, I prefer a music nib, which is really a kind of flex nib.
I haven't had such a good laugh in a really long time. Penvy...lol...accurate and funny. I'm in the rabbit hole rounding the first curve. I have two on the way. I like extra-fine for general handwriting and printing, and the fine...which seems more like a .7 or 1.0...when I'm doing something like sketchnoting. I've already thrown 1 cheap one away that leaked everywhere and had a superscratchy feel...and I think the two that I have work excellent on 32lb non-gloss paper. I have to go check out the other videos now to find out about ink. Thanks!
I've been using the Lamy 1.1 through university and I had absolutely no trouble taking quick notes, no smearing or bleadthrough, I think the ink you use is what matters when it comes to cheap paper rather than nib size.
I started out liking fine nibs On German pens and stayed with them until this last year when I tried a stub nib on a Pilot VP and I fell in love with them. I like a 1.0 or 1.1 nib.
So far I am enjoying European Fine nibs. Willing to look into Medium and an Extra Fine sometime. I have written with a Japanese Fine once. Scratchy but still good.
Very good advice given. Just follow the recommendations and the reward in an improved handwriting quality will come. I like this “3 T’s” rule. Easy to remember and simple. Well done and keep making videos of such high quality.
I love broad nibs, but i find myself taking small notes often (bullet journaling) so I can't always use them. I love the versatility of flex nibs, which allow me to take regular notes in class with the important bits in bold. Before I found flex, i used to use fude nibs (bent nibs) for the same effect. All in all, i consider the G nib to be the absolute best-in-class nib, but using it (and more importantly maintaining it) is more of a hassle than fountain pen nibs.
I prefer using both black ink and red ink so I got both pilot black barrel and red barrel, fine nib for the black in and medium nib and extra fine nib for the red ink, the fine nib for the black ink works for me great. but I tried extra fine, fine, and medium for the red ink, but I'm having trouble deciding with nib size to use for the red size. I got the fine nib picked for the plack and works for me the the others not so well for the red ink
I'm just starting out my Calligraphy journey and these videos are so helpful. I got a Manuscript Calligraphy Starter Kit from my mom, however I have found that the included nib sizes were too large for my writing style. A little more about myself, I was diagnosed with a Functional Neurological Disorder with seizure episodes that affect my motor function, memory, as well as my sensory input and output. Because of this, I'm not allowed to work and drive so I can't make any money currently. I explain this to not for any reason other than to give insight on my predicament. I want to get more into finer nib points to compliment my writing technique and most fine nibs are pretty pricey. Do you have any recommendations on fine nib points that I would be able to look into that are inexpensive, but still reliable?
Thank you for this kind of video, I’m planing to use a fountain pen for sketching + watercolor painting but I’m torn between trying trying a fine so I have consistency for small details (since I’m a beginner) and a stub since I’d also love to practice my cursive handwriting. Then there is the pen! I was recomendar the metro and i love the cartridge it comes with BUT then I saw your lammy zafari vs metropolitan video and now I think I should go with that one to try different nibs 👀 ... or i could just get 2 metros... but i really like the look of demonstrator pens like the twsbi eco and the moonman c1 .... argh 😣
Hi Gabs S, I like you am looking for an appropriate fountain pen for art work especially with some of my watercolor work. Have you been successful in choosing a pen or pens? Thanks for any input.
Hello Gabs, I know your post is a year old now, but I thought I would go ahead and reply to a couple of your points. You mention a stub for cursive handwriting. Unless you have a fairly large natural writing size, a stub nib is going to be very "squished". In order to have legible cursive handwriting, you need to have enough room to distinguish each letter since they are all connected. The best way to test this, is to try a stub nib and do a writing sample of your natural day-to-day writing. If the letters are too cramped and not very readable, you would try the next size smaller until you like the result. Now, that is for day-to-day writing. Getting a couple (or more) of the inexpensive pens with different nib sizes is okay, but you can also just buy a few extra nibs for even less money. Swapping out a nib is easy, there are a lot of how-to videos on here. Another thing to keep in mind, is there is no perfect pen. You mention sketching, watercolor, small detail work, and cursive handwriting. Each example would likely require a completely different nib and style, except I myself would consider small detail work and cursive as one category because I write fairly small. Demonstrators are really cool pens! Once you identify a nib you like, you can always look for a demonstrator and see if that nib is available, or if you like the pen enough, you can have the nib modified. A few years ago, I got a demonstrator that I didn't think would be re-released - The Pelikan M805 and it has the names of the parts of the pen etched into the clear body. I went ahead and purchased it through one of the retailers that has a couple nibmeisters on staff, and had it modified to a cursive italic. Now there's another nib variation you may want to read about, the cursive italic. Once you start this journey, there is no way to go back! 😂
I have been practice writing on an iPad apps so as not to waste ink and paper. I grew up writing with paper and pen. Eventually I wanna permently write using fountain on paper. So can you tell me which nib is good with red fountain ink. I really like the feel of paper and pen in my hands instead of mobile devices. don't get me wrong I really like mobile devices for typing notes not for handing writting unless it's to practice only
Thanks Tom.. and I meant to tell you that the quality of your videography is excellent and I enjoy both the music-themed and your informational versions.. If you've covered a fountain pen on your channel I know that I am getting a quality product and I know what to expect.. Thanks again.. Francesco Bruno, in Boulder, CO, but from NYC..
Thank you for the kind comments! Our team is working hard to improve the quality of our videos so it will be almost like you're actually here handling and writing with the pens.
I have a question - I recently found that I really like my handwriting when writing with a highlighter, after having to write something down with no pen at hand. I wrote with the thin part vertically, and really loved the way the vertical strokes were thin and the horizontal strokes were fat in the right areas. I've tried 0.5 , 0.7, and bold gell rollers and my writing with those looks messy so a friend suggested maybe fountain pens were for me. Would the stub be the closest nib to this? (I saw you said this generally produced fat verticle and thin horizontal, but maybe if I held it differently?)
Question: do stub nibs require a sloooooow writing so the feed can keep up, or is my fountain pen giving me grief? I have to stop every few words and let it recharge, so to speak. It is a TWSBI Diamond with 1.5mm stub. My writing style is fairly large and open, we still learned cursive -- with a fountain pen -- in school in Germany. I can't believe that they don't teach that in American schools. What a crying shame.
While stub nibs do require a little more concentration to ensure you're making even contact with both nib tines, it sounds like the feed isn't keeping up with flow required for your nib. I recommend changing the ink to see if it needs a wetter ink.
Which nib should I go if I had to attain speed 5/5 with pure wetness and smoothness. As u said B nib speed is 4/5 then what's for5/5 and please do suggest an ink which runs on every pen and every normal paper whether cheap or expensive. I do know one ink sailor but I don't know which sailor ink I use as it is basic ink or jentle nothing is mentioned on tis cover.
Japanese Medium Nibs are generally mentioned as FINE. But I read a blog on nibbage and I found that. 0.5, they are at par with many non-Japanese mediums like that of Cross. What do you say ?
I'm looking to get my first pen and I was looking at the more affordable Chinese ones but I really like the ECO , LAMY , and the PENBBS NOTsure witch one to get
I am looking for a nib that would write a thick vertical and thin horizontal. Does broad nib or Stub nib do it? I am looking for the beauty of written letter. Suggest in Lamy nib sizes. Also, for either Broad nib or Stub nib, suggest the quality of paper required.
Yes, a stub nib would produce a thick vertical and thin horizontal line. Like the LZ50SL in 1.1 or 1.5. For broad or stub nibs, I would suggest using Clairefontaine or Rhodia paper.
@@GoldspotPens Thank you for your response! If you don't mind I would like to ask another question. A platinum prefounte 03F would compare to Extra Fine nib of Lamy, am I right?
Since we are on the topic of nibs, I have come to understand that the Jinhao nibs aren't the best out there when compared to their German counterparts, perhaps due to quality control inherent in mass production. What post processing of these nibs would need to be done to take them to the next level (or two), and can that be on the cheap? Would you be able to comment on this, and also reach out to your contacts to see what they think? Thanks, and keep up the good work.
Hello, I would really appreciate some helpful advice please ! I'm looking for buying for a friend a cross wanderlust pen (or botanica perhaps), and I really don't know a thing about this subject. That's why I'm asking your help: should I take her a fine or medium pen nib ? I only know that she'll use it in her studies, so a nib that could be quite "convenient" for this would be better, but it should also write quite properly and nicely if possible... Thank you for your help ! (By the way, I'm not English so sorry if there is any mistake)
Hello! Thanks for your question. I'd suggest a fine nib as it would be easier to use on a variety of different paper types and the thinner line would be more ideal for detailed studying.
I bought a Lamy Studio, and I wanted something fine but I had also asked about calligraphy things before. I asked if there were flexible options and he said not in stock, so I said gimme your finest one then. He gave me the finest calligraphy nib which is a 1.1mm. I am so glad that he did! It was my first fountain pen and I was amazed! "Wow, fountain pens make my writing look so good and I'm not even trying". Today, I thought it was time to get more ink colors than the single color that I have, and maybe a Lamy Safari so I can try the other ink without flushing my current only pen. I ended up buying a Lamy Safari with a nice dark red ink. When asked for the nib type, I thought I would go for fine to try a different nib type. I don't like it. I'll give it more of a chance, but I think I'll end up getting a different one.
I’m just getting into fountain pens, I’m left handed and generally use a print writing style due to my training as a engineer. What Nib would you recommend? I’m thinking extra fine or fine
My favoutire(s) world to write are the names of cities/countries/places. It is easy to come up with words that eventually make one practice all the letters of the alphabet and compound names.
Depending on the recycled content and quality of the paper, I'd say that a fine or extra-fine would be better suited. Most composition notebooks would not be able to take the amount of ink a medium point would put on the page.
In general, I'd say that "fine" or "(F)" nibs are most adaptable to note-taking situations where you might not have access to fountain pen-friendly paper.
@@alexanderrizqimaulana998 Writing with a flex nib you generally have to slow down, and the writing is much more deliberate than with fast writing. I suppose you might be able to write quickly with a flex nib if you don't use the flexing capability, but then why have the flex nib? The flex would likely have more feedback when writing fast without flexing, than a regular fine nib.
I'd opt for the 1.1mm as it would be best suited for general handwriting and most fountain pen friendly paper can handle the amount of ink that flows from that line thickness.
My handwriting is small and neat.. and I write quickly. Should I use a fine nib? I am a college student and I write a lot.. I'm new to the fountain pen world. Is Twsbi fine nib pen a good option? Please reply
The person who wrote the blurb at the beginning is who Goldspot should get to demo their pens. Almost all these pen reviewers have poor to atrocious penmanship. Mr. Blurbwriter, on the other hand, better than the vast majority.
At last! Someone who admits to my problem! I just collect... different brand pens... different nib sizes... different paper types... and different inks and ink colors... I enjoy them all! And keep thinking I need more and more and more... lol !
I think I am looking for a nib and my preference is to find a nib which writes narrow on the vertical strokes, and wide on the horizontal strokes. Can anyone help me ? Many thanks
That would be an architect nib. It's not a standard nib style. Most of the time, you need to send your pen to a nib meister to have it ground as an architect. Esterbrook does offer most of its fountain pens in the "Scribe" architect nib. If you need some more guidance, please feel free to reach out to us directly on the Goldspot Pens website.
Fascinating! Loved the review Not in ur league but as u ask Own Lamy broad Broke a waterman broad Parker broad and medium Parker 51 (1947) fine Ummm - this May be strange but I use different nibs on different days depending on mood - finer pens are more arty for me - broader are for quick gibberish writing on days I just wanna jot things down - hence carry my pen box daily for office work Nothing beats writing with a fountain pen and using a decent wet Diamine ink
A flexible nib pen will give you line variation if you're looking to illustrate or cartoon. For flex nibs, you may want to check out the introduction to Flex Nibs: ua-cam.com/video/LbqAAygxtnw/v-deo.html
Fine nib is great for small handwriting and can handle fast writing, you will just feel more feedback, like a pencil on paper rather than smooth gliding of a medium nib. Basically medium nib you won't even feel the paper.
@@Benwick921 id say go aurora or platinum as they have rather feedbacky nibs. ive heard sailor has a particular feel but idk if its feedbacky as i only have a lamy safari and a pilot CH91 at a similar price point to lamy. idk, youd have better luck searching/creating a thread on FPN
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I freaking love the warning at the beginning 😂
Well deserved.
Is it flex nib?
That Warning at the beginning of the video is SO DAMN TRUE, LOL!!! I've been doing exactly that for the past few weeks now!! :D :D :D
My husband bought me a cheap fountain Pen on Wish and now I'm fascinated by them! I love it, I feel like my pen was a fine or maybe a medium, but my kids were oh so nice and lost my favorite pen, this video was very helpful! I'm ordering a pen now!
I am the biggenner with fountain pen and had the least knowledge regarding the nib variety. I was just hitting the couple of videos till I got this one, Very useful. Thanks for knowledge.
I just bought my first pens, some Lamy Safari models and so far I really love the Lamy Extra Fine. That is perfect. I understand Japanese brands like Pilot have even finer nibs so I may check those out at some point.
My favorite nib size is all of them actually, but I tend to purchase fines most often. I really liked the way you laid out writing style to nib sizes a lot more than what was suggested to me when I went shopping for a new pen at a brick and mortar store. They asked me to sit down and write words with the letter e in them to see how big of a loop I made while writing it down.
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I really liked this video. The info you put out is timeless/ageless... as relevant today (2020) as it was in 2018! Thank you for your time, effort, knowledge and humor!
My favourite nib size is the EF, Japanese EF, mostly because I work in a lab and need to be tidy! Also I use document inks because record keeping is a must! My pens are the Pilot Dècimo capless and a TWSBI Diamond, both with EF. Love them both. However, for lettering I have the Pilot parallel set which i adore! Love the video!!
I've been a fountain pen enthusiast for many years. My current favorite nib is the 1.1 mm stub for general writing, journaling, etc. I do have a couple of pens with either medium or fine nibs. These I use for writing where a quick note, or filling out a form is necessary.
Hello is fine ok for school ( writing ect) ?
@@dimpmelas2967 perfect, actually. I wrote in fine and medium, the fine lasted longer in terms of ink. I prefer medium, it feels much more smoother. I don't mind the feathering of the ink on cheap paper, but it feels better when I write with medium. Not fit the majority of fountain pen users I know. They prefer fine. So, it's all up to your style of writing.
My favorite nib is a moving target. I'm still in the 'collecting' phase as a newbie, so am enjoying to 'feel' the difference that each type brings. I'm holding off on flex nibs until I've experienced the more standard ones. And oh,,, the ink/paper combo makes such a huge difference in the written result...
Thank you for this! I'm new to fountain pens and your descriptions helped me figure out which one works for my writing.
This is a really good intro video. One thing that needs to be mentioned though would be one more practical application of finding the right nib size: How nib sizes work for students.
As a student, fine points nibs are a must, because you'll spend a great deal of time switching between your FP friendly paper and the cheap nasty paper that a school uses for things like tests, assignments, forms and general handouts. You usually don't have the luxury of time to dig out a pen that can handle the cheap paper during classes, so it makes sense simply to use a fine point nib at all times.
Also, Japanese fine pens are a must for anyone who does a great deal of everyday writing in East Asian languages. I'm a Japanese major, and can't imagine using anything other than a fine point pen for the tasks demanded of me. My two go-to pens for Japanese writing are a Platinum 3776 with a fine nib, or a Sailor 1911 with a 21K EF nib. Few other pens can lay down a 20-stroke kanji in a 6mm Kokuyo Campus line space with the precision and deftness of these pens. Pilot probably makes some FPs that would work, but I find that the "softness" of the 14K or 21K nibs gives the Platinum and Sailor pens a little more line variation and a "singing" quality to the writing, as in how beautifully and easily they lay down the characters.
I also find it ironic that you talk about how people who write big shouldn't use finer nibs. I was the last of the handwriting-dominant students from the 70s, where everything was done by hand, so I have the "standard" Palmer script of that era. I don't consider my handwriting exceptionally large, but it's much--MUCH--larger than my husband's, and he was an 80s kid. Yet he prefers medium point pens while I consistently prefer fine point.
Go figure.
Note: Just because I prefer fine nibs doesn't mean I don't have fun with other nib sizes. I have pens ranging from Japanese XF to 2.0 stub nib, and goof off with them quite a bit. I've recently dipped my toe into calligraphy and pen and ink drawing, and playing with the various nib sizes through those has been quite fun. I'm also waiting on my first flex nib, which is supposed to arrive next week. Can't wait to give that a go!
Thank you for your helpful insight and feedback. :-)
Aquaria Austin I have a rather big handwriting, so I am comfortable with medium nibs, but I love the lines made with fine and extra fine nibs such as Platinum’s. I’ve found that a my handwriting automatically becomes smaller when I use those nibs.
if i were to use a flex nib that's an extra-fine, would it work on normal cheap paper if i didn't flex it while writing?
That was the best & pretty comprehensive nib-choice guide I've seen to date. Good job, & mucho thanks, Tom!
I have several Lamy Safarys, with medium and broad nibs but have found certain inconsistencies in their widths, such as a medium writing broader than a broad. My children gave me a Montblanc when I turned sixty: it compares to no other. For everyday class notes I either use a Lamy or a Parker fronteer, whose drawback is that after some years they start getting clogged.
Very informative video; thanks!
I've been using fountain pens for about six years now and own a few dozen in various brands and nibs. My favorite nib size is a stub; most of mine are 1.1 which I usually use, but I also have a 0.8 and 0.6. I like the line variation it adds to my cursive handwriting. I'm retired and don't do a lot of lengthy handwriting, for which I'd probably use a medium nib. I love my stub nibs for signing greeting and Christmas cards and writing brief notes and brief correspondence. The stub nibs also allow my beautiful inks to show their sheen or shimmer. I like Clairefontaine Triomphe tablet paper for correspondence, and Clairefontaine and Rhodia for notebooks.
An invaluable vid for newbies -- and even old dogs. My "hand" calls for a fine or even an EF (I have a 3776 UEF but it is a bit on the scratchy side) but over my few decades w/ FPs I've been compelled to buy and try mediums, a few stubs etc. I like playing with the latter ones but day to day, it's EF to F for me. If I knew then what I know now, I might have (only "might) have saved my wallet a few hits -- or not! FPs can be such a (legal) addiction!
Only video in the internet with comprehensive comparison on nib size with ball pen.
I've been writing with Fine point ever since college (I could cram sooooo much onto one page with a Fine!), but now I find myself salivating over the 1.1mm stub nib. I learned to do calligraphy in high school, and the appeal has never completely gone away!
I just found this video and I thank you for it …. I wrote with fountain pens way back in school days (yes I’m that old) and I took a calligraphy course when an adult …. I put away my pens for several years and have just discovered or re-discovered my love for them. I recently bought a TWSBI Eco which I really like except I forgot to choose fine so ended up with medium and am having to adjust my small writing to writing a little more freely … so finding this video was a delight as it has helped me see that I need (want more than need) on of every size! 😮. I look forward to watching more of your videos … thanks
Most welcome. I'm glad this video broadened (pun intended) your view on nib sizes. :-)
@@GoldspotPens 😆
I’ve always loved the extra fine nibs and would get them whenever I could. Now that ink has come so far with so many variants, I’m going into the broad nib to show off the ink!
Wow ...what more can we say...you covered it all . Precise and to the point. THANK YOU
You're most welcome! I'm glad that this helped some folks in selecting a nib size.
I appreciate your videos. You are a good speaker with a pleasant voice and a nice cadence which speaks to your wonderfully writing. I recently rediscovered the joy of using fountain pens and now I'm devotee. I use inexpensive but nice pens that are within my means: the Pilot Metropolitan with fine nib, a Platinum Preppy, My father's A&W, a pretty good Jinhao 601 (tuned and polished the nib on that one) and today my TWSBI ECO with 1.1 stub arrived. I love it and I'm having fun getting the hang of the stub. I might try a slightly smaller stub as I'm a neat small note taker but I like a little flair..
Thank you for your compliments!
I have watched a LOT of fountain pen videos in the past week and wish I hadn't bought a Manuscript medium tip for my first pen. I am sure I'll do much better with a fine tip, but am also interested in a stub too :). This was a great overview, esp seeing all the pens in use, lined up like that. TY.
I love your store and especially the information you provide. I like to use different nib sizes, too. I use extra fine to fine nibs for Bullet Journaling, fine to medium for notes & general writing, and stub nibs for page titles and correspondence. Out of all the modern flex nib fountain pens available I still prefer a Noodler's Ink Nib Creaper or Ahab. They have a faster rebound from full flex to fine line than others I've tried. My absolute favorite for flex pen writing and always for correspondence, however, is a dip pen. The first time I used a dip pen it was as if my soul soared into the heavens. I have a piece of point pen calligraphy I wrote that I keep at my desk that says, "I write with fountain pens for pleasure; I write Calligraphy for joy!"
Wow. This video takes away so much of confusion a lot of people have regarding the nibs to choose when it comes to fountain pens. Thanks for the video and keep up the good work 👍.
I found my favorite nib! Soft Broad, available in Pilot Falcon. I value the sheen of specialty inks. I also have an extra-fine Pelikan specifically for letter writing on Tomoe River loose sheets. Oh. And a fude nib Sailor for urban sketching.
I love it. I’m new to fountain pens and need all the help I can get. Good job!
One key, binary distinction you neglected to mention is the purpose: work versus other. If you're planning to use your pen to fill out forms, take notes to share (or even for personal use), or other professional purposes, smaller is better. Extra-Fine is generally the way to go, though a Fine nib might be acceptable. The more artistic your purposes, the more a larger nib may suit the purpose.
I always carry a work pen such as a Lamy Safari with an Extra-Fine nib and a blue or black ink chosen to be water-resistant. If I think I might have occasion for writing with a little more flair, maybe I'll bring a pen with a larger and/or flex nib inked with a more artistic or creative color of ink.
That disclaimer was the BEssssttttttttttt
I vote for medium cursive italic. I love stubs and broad nibs, but I often wish they were slightly narrower. So Franklin Christoph has some options that I can't easily get elsewhere. Although I will have to consider the Esterbrook options. I go for fine or medium when doing art or my FA nib on my 912 with an ebonite feed. So I guess I love all of the nibs. Thanks for the fun video!
Really good video. I generally write really slow, taking care of the letters. I'll try a Lamy Safari with fine nib. If someday I'll think on switching the nib but not the pen, then I can buy just the nib. The only bad thing is that here (Brasil) the fountain pens are extremely expensive and rare, where generally a US$20 pen costs R$200. Thanks for the great video!
I really like bent nibs. They have the most variation. Basically it's a fine, broad and >BB all in one. You'll have to get used to it, but those bent (or sometimes called "Fude") nibs are a big fun if you learn how to use them. An example is the Sailor Fude de Mannen
For general writing, where for example I may be writing on common office supply store or school supply store paper, a fine nib will do. Not so much bleed through and feathering. For journaling, or song writing on better quality paper, I prefer a 1.1 mm stub nib. For writing out my students' guitar lessons, rather than computer generated notation, I prefer a music nib, which is really a kind of flex nib.
I haven't had such a good laugh in a really long time. Penvy...lol...accurate and funny. I'm in the rabbit hole rounding the first curve. I have two on the way. I like extra-fine for general handwriting and printing, and the fine...which seems more like a .7 or 1.0...when I'm doing something like sketchnoting. I've already thrown 1 cheap one away that leaked everywhere and had a superscratchy feel...and I think the two that I have work excellent on 32lb non-gloss paper. I have to go check out the other videos now to find out about ink. Thanks!
Fountain pen ink is another rabbit hole as well. There are so many varieties made around the world. It's like the "wine of pens."
I like 'em all... Like tools, each nib size has its purpose. I tend towards Fine to Broad nibs depending on the pen, ink, & paper Im using.
I've been using the Lamy 1.1 through university and I had absolutely no trouble taking quick notes, no smearing or bleadthrough, I think the ink you use is what matters when it comes to cheap paper rather than nib size.
I started out liking fine nibs On German pens and stayed with them until this last year when I tried a stub nib on a Pilot VP and I fell in love with them. I like a 1.0 or 1.1 nib.
So far I am enjoying European Fine nibs. Willing to look into Medium and an Extra Fine sometime. I have written with a Japanese Fine once. Scratchy but still good.
Very good advice given. Just follow the recommendations and the reward in an improved handwriting quality will come. I like this “3 T’s” rule. Easy to remember and simple. Well done and keep making videos of such high quality.
I forgot how to write in cursive because I don't write much anymore. After seeing your video, I'm ready to start up again.
I love broad nibs, but i find myself taking small notes often (bullet journaling) so I can't always use them.
I love the versatility of flex nibs, which allow me to take regular notes in class with the important bits in bold.
Before I found flex, i used to use fude nibs (bent nibs) for the same effect.
All in all, i consider the G nib to be the absolute best-in-class nib, but using it (and more importantly maintaining it) is more of a hassle than fountain pen nibs.
Nice presentation Tom. Very straight forward and useful.Love your graphics too. Not so sure about the hat.
Love that Omas flex nib 6:49. What exactly model is it?
what a beautiful hand writing! And such a true warning... 😂😂😂 Cheers from Brazil
I prefer using both black ink and red ink so I got both pilot black barrel and red barrel, fine nib for the black in and medium nib and extra fine nib for the red ink, the fine nib for the black ink works for me great. but I tried extra fine, fine, and medium for the red ink, but I'm having trouble deciding with nib size to use for the red size. I got the fine nib picked for the plack and works for me the the others not so well for the red ink
I'm just starting out my Calligraphy journey and these videos are so helpful. I got a Manuscript Calligraphy Starter Kit from my mom, however I have found that the included nib sizes were too large for my writing style. A little more about myself, I was diagnosed with a Functional Neurological Disorder with seizure episodes that affect my motor function, memory, as well as my sensory input and output. Because of this, I'm not allowed to work and drive so I can't make any money currently. I explain this to not for any reason other than to give insight on my predicament. I want to get more into finer nib points to compliment my writing technique and most fine nibs are pretty pricey. Do you have any recommendations on fine nib points that I would be able to look into that are inexpensive, but still reliable?
Thank you for this kind of video, I’m planing to use a fountain pen for sketching + watercolor painting but I’m torn between trying trying a fine so I have consistency for small details (since I’m a beginner) and a stub since I’d also love to practice my cursive handwriting. Then there is the pen! I was recomendar the metro and i love the cartridge it comes with BUT then I saw your lammy zafari vs metropolitan video and now I think I should go with that one to try different nibs 👀 ... or i could just get 2 metros... but i really like the look of demonstrator pens like the twsbi eco and the moonman c1 .... argh 😣
Hi Gabs S, I like you am looking for an appropriate fountain pen for art work especially with some of my watercolor work. Have you been successful in choosing a pen or pens? Thanks for any input.
Hello Gabs,
I know your post is a year old now, but I thought I would go ahead and reply to a couple of your points.
You mention a stub for cursive handwriting. Unless you have a fairly large natural writing size, a stub nib is going to be very "squished". In order to have legible cursive handwriting, you need to have enough room to distinguish each letter since they are all connected. The best way to test this, is to try a stub nib and do a writing sample of your natural day-to-day writing. If the letters are too cramped and not very readable, you would try the next size smaller until you like the result. Now, that is for day-to-day writing.
Getting a couple (or more) of the inexpensive pens with different nib sizes is okay, but you can also just buy a few extra nibs for even less money. Swapping out a nib is easy, there are a lot of how-to videos on here.
Another thing to keep in mind, is there is no perfect pen. You mention sketching, watercolor, small detail work, and cursive handwriting. Each example would likely require a completely different nib and style, except I myself would consider small detail work and cursive as one category because I write fairly small.
Demonstrators are really cool pens! Once you identify a nib you like, you can always look for a demonstrator and see if that nib is available, or if you like the pen enough, you can have the nib modified. A few years ago, I got a demonstrator that I didn't think would be re-released - The Pelikan M805 and it has the names of the parts of the pen etched into the clear body. I went ahead and purchased it through one of the retailers that has a couple nibmeisters on staff, and had it modified to a cursive italic. Now there's another nib variation you may want to read about, the cursive italic. Once you start this journey, there is no way to go back! 😂
Hi sir, My question was earlier to ask about Flex nib. Thanks you so much!
I have been practice writing on an iPad apps so as not to waste ink and paper. I grew up writing with paper and pen. Eventually I wanna permently write using fountain on paper. So can you tell me which nib is good with red fountain ink. I really like the feel of paper and pen in my hands instead of mobile devices. don't get me wrong I really like mobile devices for typing notes not for handing writting unless it's to practice only
Awesome video and tutorial 👌
So as a student should I buy Medium??? Because I need to write quickly.
Your video is so informative and you are so humble.
I appreciate that!
My pens are all Japanese pens. And they are fine and extra-fine nibs. I have a medium nib just for fun. But on a daily basis, extra-fine for me.
My name is Frank William Bruno, and I am addicted to fountain pens.. niit even a bit sorry.. nice work Tom! Francesco Bruno, in Boulder, Colorado
Sorry, not sorry! Welcome, Mr. Bruno. You're in good company.
Thanks Tom.. and I meant to tell you that the quality of your videography is excellent and I enjoy both the music-themed and your informational versions.. If you've covered a fountain pen on your channel I know that I am getting a quality product and I know what to expect.. Thanks again.. Francesco Bruno, in Boulder, CO, but from NYC..
Thank you for the kind comments! Our team is working hard to improve the quality of our videos so it will be almost like you're actually here handling and writing with the pens.
I ordered Parker pen today Parker vector standard and it has fine Nib I wish it's good
I have a question - I recently found that I really like my handwriting when writing with a highlighter, after having to write something down with no pen at hand. I wrote with the thin part vertically, and really loved the way the vertical strokes were thin and the horizontal strokes were fat in the right areas. I've tried 0.5 , 0.7, and bold gell rollers and my writing with those looks messy so a friend suggested maybe fountain pens were for me. Would the stub be the closest nib to this? (I saw you said this generally produced fat verticle and thin horizontal, but maybe if I held it differently?)
@@GoldspotPens Awesome! I'll look into that. Thanks much!
Question: do stub nibs require a sloooooow writing so the feed can keep up, or is my fountain pen giving me grief? I have to stop every few words and let it recharge, so to speak. It is a TWSBI Diamond with 1.5mm stub. My writing style is fairly large and open, we still learned cursive -- with a fountain pen -- in school in Germany. I can't believe that they don't teach that in American schools. What a crying shame.
While stub nibs do require a little more concentration to ensure you're making even contact with both nib tines, it sounds like the feed isn't keeping up with flow required for your nib. I recommend changing the ink to see if it needs a wetter ink.
Tom great video, I have mine coming up soon and as always your very good and Knowledgeable about fountain pens. 👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻✌🏻️
I love fountain pens since I was 10 years old, now I'm 76 and 300, diferent braands. Love them.
Excuse me I tried to say I have 300 fountain pens.
Very nice video. Thanks for sharing.
Which pen is best for shorthand style?
Switching from gel pens..and I brought a platinum preppy 0.3..so I’ll go with the extra fine then!??! Hope to buy Lamy safary petrol
Which nib should I go if I had to attain speed 5/5 with pure wetness and smoothness. As u said B nib speed is 4/5 then what's for5/5 and please do suggest an ink which runs on every pen and every normal paper whether cheap or expensive. I do know one ink sailor but I don't know which sailor ink I use as it is basic ink or jentle nothing is mentioned on tis cover.
Japanese Medium Nibs are generally mentioned as FINE. But I read a blog on nibbage and I found that. 0.5, they are at par with many non-Japanese mediums like that of Cross.
What do you say ?
I'm looking to get my first pen and I was looking at the more affordable Chinese ones but I really like the ECO , LAMY , and the PENBBS NOTsure witch one to get
I am looking for a nib that would write a thick vertical and thin horizontal. Does broad nib or Stub nib do it? I am looking for the beauty of written letter. Suggest in Lamy nib sizes. Also, for either Broad nib or Stub nib, suggest the quality of paper required.
Yes, a stub nib would produce a thick vertical and thin horizontal line. Like the LZ50SL in 1.1 or 1.5. For broad or stub nibs, I would suggest using Clairefontaine or Rhodia paper.
@@GoldspotPens Thank you for your response! If you don't mind I would like to ask another question. A platinum prefounte 03F would compare to Extra Fine nib of Lamy, am I right?
@@madhukrishnavallabhajosyul6996 The Prefounte writes a thinner line than the EF Lamy nib.
Very informative, detailed video, thank you so much
Since we are on the topic of nibs, I have come to understand that the Jinhao nibs aren't the best out there when compared to their German counterparts, perhaps due to quality control inherent in mass production. What post processing of these nibs would need to be done to take them to the next level (or two), and can that be on the cheap? Would you be able to comment on this, and also reach out to your contacts to see what they think? Thanks, and keep up the good work.
Hello, I would really appreciate some helpful advice please ! I'm looking for buying for a friend a cross wanderlust pen (or botanica perhaps), and I really don't know a thing about this subject. That's why I'm asking your help: should I take her a fine or medium pen nib ? I only know that she'll use it in her studies, so a nib that could be quite "convenient" for this would be better, but it should also write quite properly and nicely if possible... Thank you for your help !
(By the way, I'm not English so sorry if there is any mistake)
Hello! Thanks for your question. I'd suggest a fine nib as it would be easier to use on a variety of different paper types and the thinner line would be more ideal for detailed studying.
Goldspot Pens Ok, thank you very much !
Pilot pluminix calligraphy pen with 1mm stub nib. Best £8 I have ever spent.
I bought a Lamy Studio, and I wanted something fine but I had also asked about calligraphy things before. I asked if there were flexible options and he said not in stock, so I said gimme your finest one then.
He gave me the finest calligraphy nib which is a 1.1mm. I am so glad that he did! It was my first fountain pen and I was amazed! "Wow, fountain pens make my writing look so good and I'm not even trying".
Today, I thought it was time to get more ink colors than the single color that I have, and maybe a Lamy Safari so I can try the other ink without flushing my current only pen.
I ended up buying a Lamy Safari with a nice dark red ink. When asked for the nib type, I thought I would go for fine to try a different nib type.
I don't like it. I'll give it more of a chance, but I think I'll end up getting a different one.
I’m just getting into fountain pens, I’m left handed and generally use a print writing style due to my training as a engineer. What Nib would you recommend? I’m thinking extra fine or fine
Get Japanese fine or Western extra fine
My favoutire(s) world to write are the names of cities/countries/places. It is easy to come up with words that eventually make one practice all the letters of the alphabet and compound names.
So im using either regular college ruled paper and composition notebooks will the medium nib suitable for that quality of paper??
Depending on the recycled content and quality of the paper, I'd say that a fine or extra-fine would be better suited. Most composition notebooks would not be able to take the amount of ink a medium point would put on the page.
@@GoldspotPens I found that out. Using a medium on these notebooks causes quite a bit of feathering. Using a fine is a whole different ballgame.
what is a good nib size for taking notes in school?
In general, I'd say that "fine" or "(F)" nibs are most adaptable to note-taking situations where you might not have access to fountain pen-friendly paper.
Hi sir, how can i find this pen & ink in US?
Thanks you!
What's the best nib for small and fast writing?
I'd go with a fine. It will still be thin enough for smaller writing styles while keeping up with the flow for quicker jotting.
@@GoldspotPens can flex do better ?
@@alexanderrizqimaulana998 Writing with a flex nib you generally have to slow down, and the writing is much more deliberate than with fast writing. I suppose you might be able to write quickly with a flex nib if you don't use the flexing capability, but then why have the flex nib? The flex would likely have more feedback when writing fast without flexing, than a regular fine nib.
Or a Japanese medium. Eg. Pilot metropolitan with medium nib.
Helpful, thanks!
I've made up my mind, I'm going for an extra fine the next time I encounter a Lamy shop.
What was the pen at the beginning?
I bought a pen because of this...and I don’t regret it..
How do I make sure I’m ready to use a flex nib?
As of now my favorite it Lamy Fine. However, I want an italic Lamy nib but need help deciding between the 1.1 and 1.5. Any thoughts?
I'd opt for the 1.1mm as it would be best suited for general handwriting and most fountain pen friendly paper can handle the amount of ink that flows from that line thickness.
My handwriting is small and neat.. and I write quickly. Should I use a fine nib?
I am a college student and I write a lot.. I'm new to the fountain pen world.
Is Twsbi fine nib pen a good option?
Please reply
Fine would work well for your style. A TWSBI fine is a great place to start.
@@GoldspotPens 😊😊😊 thank you
i had a oen that had a crown nib angled like a triangle. i broke it. i have no idea what nib it is. please tell me
The person who wrote the blurb at the beginning is who Goldspot should get to demo their pens. Almost all these pen reviewers have poor to atrocious penmanship. Mr. Blurbwriter, on the other hand, better than the vast majority.
I NEED THEM ALL 🤤
At last! Someone who admits to my problem! I just collect... different brand pens... different nib sizes... different paper types... and different inks and ink colors... I enjoy them all! And keep thinking I need more and more and more... lol !
Which nib pen in the beginning of the video? Warning part.
What writing style does he use?
THAT VIDEO HAS ONLY 64 LIKES??!! WHY?? THIS A VERY HELPFUL VIDEO!! THANK YOU (AND SORRY FOR CAPSLOCK LOL)
thx, it was very useful for newbie
I think I am looking for a nib and my preference is to find a nib which writes narrow on the vertical strokes, and wide on the horizontal strokes. Can anyone help me ? Many thanks
That would be an architect nib. It's not a standard nib style. Most of the time, you need to send your pen to a nib meister to have it ground as an architect. Esterbrook does offer most of its fountain pens in the "Scribe" architect nib. If you need some more guidance, please feel free to reach out to us directly on the Goldspot Pens website.
FLEX
Where do I get one?
Fascinating! Loved the review
Not in ur league but as u ask
Own
Lamy broad
Broke a waterman broad
Parker broad and medium
Parker 51 (1947) fine
Ummm - this May be strange but I use different nibs on different days depending on mood - finer pens are more arty for me - broader are for quick gibberish writing on days I just wanna jot things down - hence carry my pen box daily for office work
Nothing beats writing with a fountain pen and using a decent wet Diamine ink
which nib is best for if ur wanting to doodle/draw?
A flexible nib pen will give you line variation if you're looking to illustrate or cartoon. For flex nibs, you may want to check out the introduction to Flex Nibs: ua-cam.com/video/LbqAAygxtnw/v-deo.html
What nib size should I get for the twsbi eco if I like 0.7mm gel pens
I'd suggest a fine point.
What if my handwriting is small but I write really fast? Is a fine nib okay?
Fine nib is great for small handwriting and can handle fast writing, you will just feel more feedback, like a pencil on paper rather than smooth gliding of a medium nib. Basically medium nib you won't even feel the paper.
Dozhyan Games Thank you for this! I bought some EF and F nibs and I loved it. I would probably try using M nibs soon 😊
Try Japanese medium. like the pilot metropolitan.
Very nice video
Why my Lamy safari extra fine seems larger than yours?
does it depends on the paper where i write?
ive heard that lamy nib sizes are inconsistent. on the safaris and vistas.
@@FookFish can u suggest me a good fountain pen with rough nib that feels like a pencil or even more scratchy that cost simila to the Lami safari?
@@Benwick921 id say go aurora or platinum as they have rather feedbacky nibs. ive heard sailor has a particular feel but idk if its feedbacky as i only have a lamy safari and a pilot CH91
at a similar price point to lamy. idk, youd have better luck searching/creating a thread on FPN
Is that Ken Ham in the video?
I’ve successfully fixed my imperfect nibs under a magnifying glass. No need for a “nibsmith”.
Ankit Kumar > Not enough information for troubleshooting. Would replacing the nib fix the problem?
Good 👍