I was an avid viewer of Corter Leather and I agree with him. If you aquire something and its beyond repair and you can upcycle it way not. As long as you are not counterfeiting their should be no problem.
I can see both sides of this as well. I recently bought an upcycled Dior piece, and to be honest, most people in my life would not know the difference. Unlike me, they don't care about or own any designer bags. I will continue to think about this as I keep going back and forth about it. Thanks for this, Autumn. It's an interesting issue.
My favorite upcycled pieces are the Louis Vuitton canvas bags that people paint interesting designs on. I'm not sure where these fall in the legal battle, but they can be beautiful.
I love true upcycled pieces. Naomi Crafted is a wonderful example. She shows the original items that she repurposed. Now.slapping a.logo.on.some.nasty looking bag.is.problematic and clearly.is.shady..
You did a great job distilling the key points and making the issues very understandable. This is a fascinating topic. Thank you for your research and sharing.
Great video Autumn! I do so love when investigative journalists Autumn straps in and gives us such insightful content relative to the luxury community! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🙌👌🫶
Happy Thanksgiving,Autumn.I hope you and Paul have a wonderful day.🙏🏻🥰 I believe that real upcycling is actually fantastic..so beautiful pieces don’t end up in the landfill.👍🏼🫶🏼
Thankfully, I am the one person who thinks LV bags and patterns are ugly and unflattering. I regularly choose quality Coach and Dooney bags all day long over LV.
Very interesting video! I always wondered how Hahns Atelier and Naomi Crafted can safely get away with making their products. But they are indeed putting their name on it and making an entirely new product. But slapping the logo on crappy hats and shirts and selling it (very important) is probably illegal. Such an interesting topic.
Yes, Hahns Atelier does amazing work. From what I understand how he works, his clients bring in their own luxury bags that are either beaten up or so dated that his clients never use the bags anymore. He then transforms the bags for them and also adds his own “brand”. He doesn’t upcycle existing bags and sell the new bags. He charges for his materials and labor.
Very interesting topic and video, thank you for sharing Autumn! You could do illustrations or stickers with the bag shapes, but without logos included - I‘ve seen quite some of those and don’t think they could cause problems (oh like you later mentioned with „My other bags“)
Copyrights have to be enforced or they become meaningless. Just imagine if a brand like LV didn’t draw the line somewhere. Everybody with a sewing machine would be taking a little chunk out of the business they have worked so hard to make successful.
I actually agree with LVs / designers point of view. You cant put your own branding on another brands design..Copyright laws have to exist and for good reason
I used to have an Etsy store where I sold my own charms, iPod cases, card cases, etc., that I created using authentic "junk" LV material and was banned for a lifetime on Etsy. I wonder if I have a case now to be reinstated. I never claimed what I sold was LV, only that the materials I used were upcycled authentic LV canvas.
I think if a company is using Louis Vuitton’s logo to sell products it should be a violation of copyright law, including if the logo is on upcycled material.
I wholeheartedly agree with you! The re-cyclers should avoid using the LOUIS VUITTON Paris from the bags that they have utilised and attach their own logo. My understanding (open to correction) is that the DE and the DA prints are out of copyright so can be used. Thank you for the video. Really interesting! I wanted one of Naomi’s bags but decided that they went too far for me.
I don’t see anything wrong with the scenario where a client goes to an artist with a bag that they own outright and ask the artist to upcycle the bag for their (client’s) own personal use. For example, clients will take their beat up beyond repair bags to the artist to either transform them into new bags, or paint and/or “bling out” the bags. However, if someone tries to “upcycle” items for sale to make the customer believe that the product is from that designer, like that company that was just putting a piece of the Louis Vuitton canvas on a cheap knit hat, then that is a problem. It’s like the craze from the 90s and early-2000s where people were silk-screening the luxury designers’ brand (LV, YSL, Gucci, Chanel) on a cheap t-shirt and selling it as if it was from that brand.
Interesting subject - I see both sides, too. But I do think that the reason LV is winning these cases is because the products that are upcycled are capitalizing on their logo. If they were just upcycling the leather from the handbags, not the monogram, it would be a different story. It does sound overly dramatic to say ‘irreparable harm’ but it’s a slippery slope. If they let some upcyclers get away with it, it could spread and get out of hand.
I have mixed feelings on it all, I think saving these materials from the landfill is harmless, as long as it’s not being sold as authentic of course. 😊
Very interesting topic. Frankly, I’m on the fence with this. The first vendor you highlighted doesn’t bother me. His designs and quality, at least from the picture of the one wallet, don’t appear to me to do any wrong to LV. However, the second vendor, I’d be upset too if I was LV with my brand or logo being put on those definitely inferior looking pieces. The company who won the lawsuit, I agree with that. Parody is the perfect word to describe what they’re doing and I don’t see those tote bags having any effect on LV. Yes, if we own something and then alter it we should be allowed to do that. But if what we did with it can damage the reputation or image of the brand, is it still okay? I kind of think not. Again, first vendor has item that looks to be high quality, second vendor not at all. If instead of a luxury item, you bought something with a celebrity’s image then turned around and used it in an obscene or derogatory way, we probably wouldn’t think twice that the celebrity had a case to put a stop to it. So even though it’s branding and while not obscene or derogatory they’re still being attached to inferior goods, I kind of side with the luxury house. It’s really tough and to my way of thinking there’s no one pat answer, each case would have to be decided on it’s own merits. Very interesting and thought provoking video.
Rolex successfully sued a company that refurbished old Rolexes and created interesting dials for them. Rolex says that once the watch is altered like that, they aren’t Rolexes.
This is not shocking at all. They are literally trading on the IP of the original brand. These products would not sell the way they do without those logos. There is a lady who "upcycles" Hermes dustbags - those items would not sell if they weren't Hermes. Chanel has been knocking these "upcyclers" down all over for using CC buttons, broken jewelery, etc. They are being advertised using the Chanel name and logo. I can totally see their viewpoint and trying to protect their brand. You mention you have to alter the logo to a certain amount, well the logos here are fully intact. The problem i have is with Chanel suing resellers for reselling intact merchandise, like What Goes Around Comes Around; that is ridiculous.
I have no problem buying up cycles pieces. LV made one attempt at upcycling with their silks, and apparently it wasn’t so successful and it wasn’t expanded beyond silks. Hermès and Coach both upcycle. No one is going to mistake any of the unauthorized upcycled items as being authentic. LV is spending millions on frivolous lawsuits to what end? Going after these small businesses is a waste of time and money as I’m sure they don’t have the funds to pay for damages. I do believe there’s value in the brand name and I think there’s a difference between repurposing an item vs printing a new canvas with an LV logo designed to be a replica. Copyright law is very nuanced. I think for the average small business they would have no idea what their boundaries are before deciding to create these items.
I’m with LV and the other companies for suing companies up cycling. Especially those that companies who not disclosing probably and who are creating items that could be mistaken for LV products. These companies have to protect their brand. I think up cycling is often shady.
Very interesting! I agree with you, let these people make new items from scraps. The people doing this must have been sick when this happened. Thanks, Autumn! ♥️😂
None of these pieces are going to do irreparable harm to these big brands. It’s ridiculous. I do however, like you, see the point of the “upcycled” crap coming from Asia being a problem. On a totally unrelated topic….I recently purchased a tote in Bone from PLG and it’s gorgeous. Even has a hide stamp ❣️ I am however a walking disaster and am terrified I will get something on it. Have you ever sprayed a PLG bag with leather protector? If so did it turn out ok? Thanks in advance. Happy Thanksgiving 🦃🍁🤎
I was an avid viewer of Corter Leather and I agree with him. If you aquire something and its beyond repair and you can upcycle it way not. As long as you are not counterfeiting their should be no problem.
I can see both sides of this as well. I recently bought an upcycled Dior piece, and to be honest, most people in my life would not know the difference. Unlike me, they don't care about or own any designer bags. I will continue to think about this as I keep going back and forth about it. Thanks for this, Autumn. It's an interesting issue.
My favorite upcycled pieces are the Louis Vuitton canvas bags that people paint interesting designs on. I'm not sure where these fall in the legal battle, but they can be beautiful.
Good video and juicy topic!
Thank you for the insight and information ❤😊
I love true upcycled pieces. Naomi Crafted is a wonderful example. She shows the original items that she repurposed. Now.slapping a.logo.on.some.nasty looking bag.is.problematic and clearly.is.shady..
Interesting! I just sent a damier speedy to be up cycled. It was chewed by a dog. 😢 can’t wait to get it back!
The lovely songs from the birds!!
You did a great job distilling the key points and making the issues very understandable. This is a fascinating topic. Thank you for your research and sharing.
Great video Autumn! I do so love when investigative journalists Autumn straps in and gives us such insightful content relative to the luxury community! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🙌👌🫶
Thank you so much for yet another informative video! ❤
Wish you and Paul a very Happy Thanksgiving.🦃
This was very informative. TFS 🤗
I find all of this legal stuff fascinating
Happy Thanksgiving,Autumn.I hope you and Paul have a wonderful day.🙏🏻🥰
I believe that real upcycling is actually fantastic..so beautiful pieces don’t end up in the landfill.👍🏼🫶🏼
Very good video. I learned a lot. Thank you Autumn and Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.😊
Great bags
Thankfully, I am the one person who thinks LV bags and patterns are ugly and unflattering. I regularly choose quality Coach and Dooney bags all day long over LV.
Same
Very interesting video! I always wondered how Hahns Atelier and Naomi Crafted can safely get away with making their products. But they are indeed putting their name on it and making an entirely new product. But slapping the logo on crappy hats and shirts and selling it (very important) is probably illegal. Such an interesting topic.
Yes, Hahns Atelier does amazing work. From what I understand how he works, his clients bring in their own luxury bags that are either beaten up or so dated that his clients never use the bags anymore. He then transforms the bags for them and also adds his own “brand”. He doesn’t upcycle existing bags and sell the new bags. He charges for his materials and labor.
Very interesting topic and video, thank you for sharing Autumn!
You could do illustrations or stickers with the bag shapes, but without logos included - I‘ve seen quite some of those and don’t think they could cause problems (oh like you later mentioned with „My other bags“)
I’ve purchased upcycled jewelry using luxury buttons, clasps, etc. & enjoyed them. They disclose it clearly.
Copyrights have to be enforced or they become meaningless. Just imagine if a brand like LV didn’t draw the line somewhere. Everybody with a sewing machine would be taking a little chunk out of the business they have worked so hard to make successful.
exactly, this is illegal and should be
I was hoping you'd cover this!
I actually agree with LVs / designers point of view. You cant put your own branding on another brands design..Copyright laws have to exist and for good reason
I used to have an Etsy store where I sold my own charms, iPod cases, card cases, etc., that I created using authentic "junk" LV material and was banned for a lifetime on Etsy. I wonder if I have a case now to be reinstated. I never claimed what I sold was LV, only that the materials I used were upcycled authentic LV canvas.
Great video as always! Your bird (?) cracked me up. 😂 Happy Thanksgiving!
I think if a company is using Louis Vuitton’s logo to sell products it should be a violation of copyright law, including if the logo is on upcycled material.
I wholeheartedly agree with you! The re-cyclers should avoid using the LOUIS VUITTON Paris from the bags that they have utilised and attach their own logo. My understanding (open to correction) is that the DE and the DA prints are out of copyright so can be used. Thank you for the video. Really interesting! I wanted one of Naomi’s bags but decided that they went too far for me.
Maybe im over it. One could argue that even for Lv products that they are bought for the name behind it and not for the product themselves.
I don’t see anything wrong with the scenario where a client goes to an artist with a bag that they own outright and ask the artist to upcycle the bag for their (client’s) own personal use. For example, clients will take their beat up beyond repair bags to the artist to either transform them into new bags, or paint and/or “bling out” the bags.
However, if someone tries to “upcycle” items for sale to make the customer believe that the product is from that designer, like that company that was just putting a piece of the Louis Vuitton canvas on a cheap knit hat, then that is a problem. It’s like the craze from the 90s and early-2000s where people were silk-screening the luxury designers’ brand (LV, YSL, Gucci, Chanel) on a cheap t-shirt and selling it as if it was from that brand.
Interesting subject - I see both sides, too. But I do think that the reason LV is winning these cases is because the products that are upcycled are capitalizing on their logo. If they were just upcycling the leather from the handbags, not the monogram, it would be a different story. It does sound overly dramatic to say ‘irreparable harm’ but it’s a slippery slope. If they let some upcyclers get away with it, it could spread and get out of hand.
Agree, the first guy is ok, but the other 2, nope.😊
Agree
I have mixed feelings on it all, I think saving these materials from the landfill is harmless, as long as it’s not being sold as authentic of course. 😊
Hi. Great video. I’ve been away for a while. Are you still working as a teacher?
Very interesting topic. Frankly, I’m on the fence with this. The first vendor you highlighted doesn’t bother me. His designs and quality, at least from the picture of the one wallet, don’t appear to me to do any wrong to LV. However, the second vendor, I’d be upset too if I was LV with my brand or logo being put on those definitely inferior looking pieces. The company who won the lawsuit, I agree with that. Parody is the perfect word to describe what they’re doing and I don’t see those tote bags having any effect on LV. Yes, if we own something and then alter it we should be allowed to do that. But if what we did with it can damage the reputation or image of the brand, is it still okay? I kind of think not. Again, first vendor has item that looks to be high quality, second vendor not at all. If instead of a luxury item, you bought something with a celebrity’s image then turned around and used it in an obscene or derogatory way, we probably wouldn’t think twice that the celebrity had a case to put a stop to it. So even though it’s branding and while not obscene or derogatory they’re still being attached to inferior goods, I kind of side with the luxury house. It’s really tough and to my way of thinking there’s no one pat answer, each case would have to be decided on it’s own merits. Very interesting and thought provoking video.
Rolex successfully sued a company that refurbished old Rolexes and created interesting dials for them. Rolex says that once the watch is altered like that, they aren’t Rolexes.
This is not shocking at all. They are literally trading on the IP of the original brand. These products would not sell the way they do without those logos. There is a lady who "upcycles" Hermes dustbags - those items would not sell if they weren't Hermes. Chanel has been knocking these "upcyclers" down all over for using CC buttons, broken jewelery, etc. They are being advertised using the Chanel name and logo. I can totally see their viewpoint and trying to protect their brand. You mention you have to alter the logo to a certain amount, well the logos here are fully intact. The problem i have is with Chanel suing resellers for reselling intact merchandise, like What Goes Around Comes Around; that is ridiculous.
I have no problem buying up cycles pieces. LV made one attempt at upcycling with their silks, and apparently it wasn’t so successful and it wasn’t expanded beyond silks. Hermès and Coach both upcycle. No one is going to mistake any of the unauthorized upcycled items as being authentic. LV is spending millions on frivolous lawsuits to what end? Going after these small businesses is a waste of time and money as I’m sure they don’t have the funds to pay for damages. I do believe there’s value in the brand name and I think there’s a difference between repurposing an item vs printing a new canvas with an LV logo designed to be a replica. Copyright law is very nuanced. I think for the average small business they would have no idea what their boundaries are before deciding to create these items.
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I’m with LV and the other companies for suing companies up cycling. Especially those that companies who not disclosing probably and who are creating items that could be mistaken for LV products. These companies have to protect their brand. I think up cycling is often shady.
Very interesting! I agree with you, let these people make new items from scraps. The people doing this must have been sick when this happened. Thanks, Autumn! ♥️😂
None of these pieces are going to do irreparable harm to these big brands. It’s ridiculous. I do however, like you, see the point of the “upcycled” crap coming from Asia being a problem.
On a totally unrelated topic….I recently purchased a tote in Bone from PLG and it’s gorgeous. Even has a hide stamp ❣️ I am however a walking disaster and am terrified I will get something on it. Have you ever sprayed a PLG bag with leather protector? If so did it turn out ok? Thanks in advance. Happy Thanksgiving 🦃🍁🤎