@@deutschesmaedchen Yeah but, with how she was kicked out and blindsided it's ...... Tuomas really aimed to hurt and embarrass her. and he might've never been anything without her? She would've still been a classical singer like she'd set out to do. Maybe not of the magnitude she rose to. But he made the band metal entirely because of her, because her voice had changed so drastically. They were going to be an acoustic band originally. Tarja was the inspiration for the project.
@@iTeacupPanda Well. First of all, competition among sopranos is CRAZY - you really need to be world class to get anywhere. And let’s be realistic: Tarja was a novice singer when she started with Nightwish - they were all teens, forgodssakes! Second, popular music is the genre to catapult you into fame very quickly, if you are lucky. Classical - certainly not! Third, a singer is nothing without great music to sing, however phenominal she/he was. Tuomas is the mastermind behind Nightwish - do you think Tarja would've ever come to think of singing in a metal band - or in ANY band for that matter - in the first place? I don’t think so, especially since she’s made it quite clear that she never felt it was her place and what she strived for. It was the radical idea to marry her classical vocals with metal carried by Tuomas’ undisputable skill in crafting music that catapulted the band - and Tarja with it - to incredible success. Bear in mind that Nightwish and the Dutch metal band Within Temptation were the first metal bands ever to incorporate operatic vocals into metal music - and virtually in exactly the same time, according to Loudersound www.loudersound.com/features/symphonic-metal-nightwish-within-temptation-history Of course she wouldn’t be a star was it not for her charisma and diva quality (plus, she’s quite another singer today than in her late teens-early 20’s) but I seriously doubt she would ever have achieved the status she now has without the novelty value and success of Nightwish.
@@juharaty5449 Well FIRST OF ALL, that's the case for singers in general. Like I said, she may not have ever made it to the capacity Nightwish drove her to but she would've been successful for the reasons you mentioned. and you've kind of went on a passion-rant insinuating things I didn't say. They both owe a great deal to eachother. It may have been his idea to go metal, but it was because of the concept being built around her. The muse is just as much to thank, especially when she's the one making it happen as the person who is making the materials and providing the concept. I think Anette is proof, no disrespect to her. . . . that the same Nightwish wouldn't have existed on that impactful level had it been another singer necessarily. and being Finnish aside, Tara has a super distinct voice that is part of her diva charisma. No classical singer has that dark richness and weighty vocal that she necessarily has and brings such grandiosity to their sound. They both made insane waves and owe it to eachother success wise. Tarja couldn't write and Tuomas isn't a charismatic frontman who stands out.
Tarja, Anette & Floor are ALL a part of the history of Nightwish. There has also been Sami, Jukka & Marko. Everyone has different chapters in life and learns from them.
I discovered them during her period. Creek Mary's Blood is my favorite song from that time. Annette's period with to me personally the album Imaginareum is the best album. Floor is amazing because, she can sing both periods very well in her own way. Love Shoemaker and Ad Astra.
I like Nightwish because of Floor Jansen. You know why? Because Floor is more talented and doesn’t put herself before the band unlike the original singer did.
I don’t think they should have asked that question. She basically said it was out of order. Plus the fact that she has been friends with Floor since something like 96, 97.
Exactly not only that she just came out and said she fully supports Floor with Nightwish again, I mean I could see the difference in things if Nightwish themselves sounded the same but even their style has changed... but I get it... People don't like it when a band evolves. I mean listen to Kiss. Kiss isn't the same band anymore, neither is Heart. Both bands have evolved and changed their sound and style, yet both bands are caught up in the same war back and forth... I like the old Kiss I like the new Heart I like the old Heart blah blah blah... There have been three different eras of Nightwish all three have their highs all three have their lows... It's not about a single singer it's about the group as a whole
I think the issue has always been the concerts. Tarja was overworked at concerts, Annette was fired because she was having a child during the concert tour, and even Floor had to cancel concert tours because she has brest cancer, surgery and a baby. Heck, I think the tours even affected Hietala I think that whoever has been setting up the tours, Tuomas or whoever is planning them, needs to be way more considerate of the singers’ health-especially since Tarja and Floor are sopranos. Also please stop rehashing the Tarja left Nightiwsh drama. I went to her concert, she is doing fine. Let her be.
@@JoTummers Quite hard to do that when a certain member of the band openly derides Tarja and the original era of the band, which is beyond disgraceful considering that Tarja and the old style of NW is what originally made the band which he stepped into years later so successful. Just appalling.
Tuomas has stated that time and maturity has healed that wound. I, for one, would absolutely love to see maybe a special anniversary show, with Tarja, Sami, Marko, and Anette...I personally feel that Targa married, and was led astray by a Svengali.....on Tuomas' part, the band removed "Poest and the Pendulum"from the concert play list; made the statement that"we've.grown beyond that....i think that hatchet has been mutually buried by all parties involved
Tarja must think "what annoying people, always with the same thing". Until when will it be clear to them that Tarja is no longer going to return to Nightwish? Now Floor Jansen is the official vocalist and she will be the last (in the words of Tuomas himself).
Tuomas also said that Nightwish would be no more without Tarja, during an interview in Buenos Aires in 2004, and literally months later he fired her. So I wouldn't take his comments on Floor as gospel 🤣. His word doesn't really mean much.
These kids nowadays commenting Floor is goddes of Nightwish 🤣 Don’t get me wrong, Floor is great singer, nothing against her, but to us, fans of this band since their first day of existence it’s hilarious. Nightwish became what it became thanks to this lady, her voice and their original idea to combine metal and opera voice, they were first and that’s what made them successful. Aside all stories about their break up, purely artistically speaking Nightwish 1996-2005 was absolute perfection thanks to the great instrumentals and Tarja’s iconic voice. For me, nothing and nobody can beat that, not even Floor’s versatility ( it’s about uniqueness of the voice color, not ability to sing all for the commercial purposes) . I will listen those songs as long as I live. And after 25 years of listening, it stil evokes the same emotions as the first time and that can do only Tarja voice, that’s where here greatness lies.
yesss exactly. the uniqueness in her voice just makes nightwish, nightwish. her voice is just different than any other singers. that's what I like about Tarja's voice
Definately not. Another person that has no idea why she was told to leave the band. Do yourself a favor and go read the letter toumas wrote. Tarja deserved to be kicked out. Her narcissism was overwhelming to the point of making her leave. After the things she said and did. She is lucky she didnt get booted sooner. Toumas is the only reason she had her career lift off
@@abigailisaliveyeah because we are gonna believe everything Toumas said. He is 10 times richer than every member of the band. Tarja was an original member. I would also get mad if I wouldn't be paid. She got paid literal shit pennies. Stop acting like you know shit. They all hide the truth. If someone tells you they went on Mars would you believe them ? Your sheep mentality is beyond ret**ded. Toumas got all the money while the other band members got pennies. Tarja stood up and she got fired spare me with your bs 😂
@@abigailisaliveDemasiado ego la hizo perderse, cancelar conciertos por decisión de ella y querer dar prioridad a su carrera en solitario por encima de Nightwish, deberían haberla expulsado ya con su tercer álbum.
At least she and Tuomas are talking again. However, there is no need for cooperation on either side. NW has an excellent singer, Tarja can now decide for herself what she sings.
@@coachmikesfilmroom3111 I remember that Tuoma's father died and Tarja sent him her condolences in a letter. That's not a friendship yet, but a normalization. Meanwhile, Tuomas no longer wants The Poet and the Pentelum on the setlist. But he didn't justify it with Tarja.
@@coachmikesfilmroom3111 Nja Floor dont mind Poet, Tuomas always had problems with that one, why.the band members make sure he us ok while they play it, he also turns off the inear the last section....
Tbh, it would be nice if she join them incl floor at the farewell tour when they decide to end the journey. Tarja and Floor are really good with eachother so they canndo 50/50 on that last tour. Hopefully still many years away 😉
The band accomplished much after chapter 1 which ends when Tarja leaves. Tarja has accomplished a lot too which she had more freedom to do without being tied down by Nightwish. I suppose this counts for many people…..you move on. Marco is doing the same with tremendous success. I’m a relatively new fan to Nightwish, since 2019 but have gone back in their history and can honestly say that I’m also a Tarja fan and a Marco fan as well as a Nightwish fan. One does not exclude the other. Most of their older music is sometimes still played in the Floor era as she can perform them. Of course she does so in her manner, what else do you expect….? she has a different voice. Not worse, not better, different. Yes it would be great to have an all-in-reunion with new and old Nightwish members but I believe that the fans will love this much more than the people who ever performed for Nightwish. They have moved on and so should we. Time only moves forward.
No Tuomas is Nightwish, he is the source of all the music, its his creative vision than and now. As much as we can love the other members for their immense talents and they are indeed immense it has always been Tuomas as the creative engine that makes Nightwish who they were and are.
True. People are so quick to judge without knowing all the facts. I'm sure NW could have handled it better, but at the same I think the communication between Tarja and the band was basically so disturbed that they saw no other way than a letter. Where 2 fight, the truth is usually in the middle and both parties could have handled it better. As for her touring with NW, please people give it a rest, she left 17yrs back and has a great career of her own. In fact I like her better now than with NW. It's an insult to her to only refer to her as an ex-NW singer. At the same time I like NW better now with Floor. Stop dragging this same old same old
What happened happened more than sixteen years ago, and as with everything there is the NW truth and there is Tarja’s truth, and somewhere in the middle, there’s the actual truth. People should really move on now, they both have each moved on in the direction they chose. I like Tarja and I think she has a wonderful voice, but Nightwish 2022 I definitely prefer Floor on vocals.
Yes there always two sides, but sometimes there are simple facts that you cant ignore, and actions that are undisputable, and unacceptable. For example, a woman who is raped by a man, who has not given consent. There are no "two sides" to this story, it has no relevance whether she flirted or wore daring clothes. Just like with Nightwish and Tarja, knowing the fact that the guys had multiple opportunities to let her go peacefully, but still decided to string her along, and actively planed her departure in this very immature and distasteful way behind the scenes (all facts revealed in the Nightwish book), and repeatedly violated her rights by contrating tours behind her back and willingly kept the information from her until it was too late. Information like this should not so easily be discarded as "there are two sides". The examples I gave are just the tip of the iceberg.
@@FemaleMetalLover while I absolutely get what you say about the situation between NW and Tarja, PLEASE don’t liken it to a despicable act like rape. Rape is a crime, there is only one truth, that of the victim.
@@javelin60 Sure, maybe an extreme example, but you do get the point. Even if half the things they accused Tarja of was true (majority have been debunked as half truths and utter lies), nothing can justify the way they choose the air their dirty laundry infront of a world audience that way, create narratives for fans to fill in the blanks filled with severe accusations and borderline sexist and racist views to a person who had already offered to leave in a peaceful manner. Thus, there is a clear victim here and the talk about "two sides to the story" does not hold.
Floor is a great singer, but Tarja and Nightwish song are unique, nobody will sing Nemo, Wishmaster, Ever dream, sleeping sun, Planet hell, Bless the child etc like Tarja
She's SUCH a good person! She has millon reasons to hate on Tuomas, but instead she sees only the possible oportunity to connect with people through their music dispite all the trauma with the Nightwish, and specially Tuomas, he's such a diva, he won't say yes to this idea.
I love her but I hope she doesn't go back to them. She is better off without them. There's no going back anyway. NW is apparently ending their live performances. Floor herself said that because of this, plan B (her solo career) is now becoming plan A
In my opinion, the official vocalist and the face of Nightwish is Flor Jansen unquestionably and apparently Tuomas has understood that she can be the vocalist of Nightwish and at the same time she can work on her career as a soloist since I have seen that Flor alone is a something other than NW is like listening to Celine Dion but louder with more attitude. But as a commentator, being Tuomas, I would arrange a world tour called "Trilogy" where the three vocalists would be and that would bring euphoria to fans of all times in NW and of course good money.
I still dream for Tarja to be back on tour with Nightwish. I dig the vibe of their songs with her singing and she is so precious that I can't help but to love her.
@@oldschoolgamer-w4u I'm not even at all Finnish and I am disgusted by the number of Finns I have seen who don't support the goddess that their country was blessed with. Shame on you.
@@oldschoolgamer-w4u lmao Tarja doesn't need any 'help' because she's just fine. Also I'm not going round calling people names until they initiate it. You're the one who called me a bitch elsewhere and deleted your comment, you hypocrite. 😂😂
@@oldschoolgamer-w4u you need mental help for your astounding hypocrisy, not me. Normally I wouldn't say someone has to support someone else who has the same nationality as them, but Tarja is so unique and special that it's a shame. ESPECIALLY when I see so many 'proud Finns' talking crap about her. I like to point out their hypocrisy. I'm not Scandinavian at all, actually, or anything closely related, though I'd like to be, so do not try that with me. And yes I consider myself an honorary Finn because I'm grateful for how much Finns have contributed to my life.
@@oldschoolgamer-w4u your hypocrisy for calling me a bitch, trolling a Tarja video, and complaining about me 'calling people names' 😂😂 You're the one who needs to grow up, hypocritical moron.
@@oldschoolgamer-w4u LMFAO there is a reason why Tarja is the MOST highly regarded in the genre. Nice try twisting the truth. 😂 People who find her boring have low attention spans because she doesn't do flashy flamboyant shit all the time. They can't appreciate a true classy performer. She doesn't need to put on a show when she IS the show.
What a strange question! Tarja had already given notice that she was only going to do only one more album, and was not going to do any more touring for more than two weeks, and that after that she was going solo. Nightwish does not have to apologize to her. Why? She was leaving anyhow. Nightwish decided to expedite the process by firing her preemptively. A classic "You can't quit, you're fired". Maybe the initially closed open letter was a bit harsh, but the communication between her and the rest had already totally broken down, thanks to Marcelo. Marcelo, her future husband, who had wheedled himself into her good graces after being sympathetic to her after hiring nitwit security who stood by and did nothing when Tarja was sexually attacked in Guadalajara. To his credit, he did intervene, but his intervention should not have been necessary. Tuomas has already said that Floor is the last Nightwish singer. He doesn't want to deal with the drama of a singer change anymore. Tarja is never coming back, unless maybe as a guest if she apologizes to them. It is better to be a muse to a genius composer than to be a sometimes spectacular singer who thinks that they can compose. I have her first two albums, but I don't remember one song. "Colors in the Dark" is the title of the first album I think, but the second was totally forgettable. A few years ago, I had the opportunity to see Serpentyne, Stratovarius and Tarja in Utrecht. I really enjoyed the first two support acts, but the Tarja stage took a stupid amount of time to set up. While I was resting my old back waiting for Tarja, I asked myself why I wanted to see Tarja. "She has a beautiful voice, when she does not go overboard with that big wobbly vibrato", I replied to myself. My next question to myself was "How many Tarja songs do you know?" to which I had to admit "Not one", even though I own two Tarja albums. The last question I asked my self was which Nightwish songs she would sing. The answer was none, since she only does an awkward medley of portions of three Nightwish "greatest hits" none of which are personal favourites. So I left the venue without listening to Tarja.
Okay...either you just twisted the context, or dont know all of it. Tarja had told the guys in a meeting she was willing to do one more last album, the guys agreed and they all set the terms of her departure mutually. If they thought her so shitty to work with, they could have dumped right there and then. Yet they strung her along, and back-stabbed her. 9 months before End of an Era, is when the guys decided to fire her, read the Nightwish book, the guys tell it themselves. Thus, they milked every ounce they could of her. Contracted tours behind her back without letting her view the terms and the conditions, and one time even notified her less than 24 hours of a concert, and have the nerve to mislead fans to believe she wanted to cancel and hang out with friends. She did not refuse tours more than two weeks. The WHOLE BAND mutually decided after a disastrous experience in North-America that they would only return there for a period of two weeks. Surprise surprise, Tarja finds out from fans randomely on the street that there is a 4-week North-American tour happening in just a couple of months. The guys were assholes, caring more about tour excessively and party 24/7 than the health, and Jukka paid the heavy price, and Marco fell to his old alcholism habbits, cheated on his wife, lost his son over it. Yet the women are to blame. Stop being a hater, if you just dont like Tarjas voice, thats totally okay, but do your research next time.
Everybody, forgets, Tarja was giving her NW band mates the ultimatums, so they had to look, elsewhere, for the future of the band. Tarja made her choice, no one, else!
#1. EVERY band evolves over the years - they change styles sounds and personnel. #2. Tarja had her era with the band and sounded terrific during her run. Now it's Floor's turn as Nightwish moved on! #3. Nightwish has basically given Floor the green light to improvise due to her vocal styles on many older songs, #4. Marko had his turn with the band as did Jukka. Some of you don't seem to understand or comprehend music genre!
I never felt she would say, "No" if a reunion was offered. At least, not from anything I ever saw. It always seemed to depend on Tuomas' take on the matter. Personally, I'd love to see Tuomas come up with a master song that could incorporate all three vocalists in one song. It would be the epic song to top all songs (but I'd want Marko in there, too - and he doesn't seem inclined to ever return).
@@michaelm.1947 I don't think such a mishmash of vocalists would work, in all honesty, even though the idea is nice. Anette definitely not. She is just so out of her depth compared to the others.
Nightwish has the best singer on the planet! She might have noted that, as supposedly “her friend”! Who are these guys, & why would we care about his pipe dreams?
Now we've got the answer from her, it's not going to happen. But the Nightwish golden era with Tarja and Marco is the best ever, that was the real Nightwish.
Hilarious 😂 the only real voice of Nightwish is Tarja. All those beloved songs that I bet you love Floor singing (Ghost Love Score, Ever Dream etc) wouldn't even EXIST without Tarja because SHE WAS TUOMAS' MUSE. Name one song that Floor inspired Tuomas to write that comes close or that is as beloved by the fanbase...NONE😂 It's pathetic because even you Floor fans prefer her singing the Tarja songs rather than her own.😂😂 You have Tarja as well as Tuomas to thank for all those beautiful songs existing.
The most popular albums and songs comes from the albums made with Tarja and Anette. Two original albums in and Floor just about broke it with the song Greatest show in Earth but since then it has been a nothing fest. The band members are focusing way more on their individual careers and side projects at the moment.
Why would NW need to apologize to Tarja? This woman is not some kind of holy Maria nor a biblical angel. At times she has nasty shadow-sides, like all humans do, and these shadow-sides made her impossible to work with. This is old history, let it go and move on
Quite the opposite, the guys were impossible to work with, contracting tours behind her back, repeatedly breaking mutual decisions set by the whole band. Telling fans misleading half-truths. Tarja has more collaborations than any solo artist in metal, working with her is just fine if ask Within Temptation, Scorpions and other more prominent names. Besides, the guys had ample opportunities to let her go peacefully, but admit themselves in the Nightwish book at that they strung her along for 9 months, lying to her face every day that their mutual agreement of her departure was the deal, whilst they planned this spectacle behind her back. Oh and leaving a pregnant women alone in a foreign country? Marco already apologised, its only right Tuomas does it too.
@@FemaleMetalLover Yeah, there are always two sides to a story, that's how it goes when humans have conflicts. And nobody from the outside watching knows the real truth. Fact remains, the band kicked her out because they did not want to work with her anymore, and wanted to move on. Now it's many many years later, they have Floor, and Tuomas and Floor are happy, so it all ended well. Tuomas is already working on his third album with Floor as the NW lead vocalist, so close all the history books.
I think everyone involved, Tarja, Tuomos, Marco.... should apologize. They are all at fault... Tarja and husband how they got greedy and the way nightwish announced it publicly the way they did.
Don’t be a greedy outlier, & expect those being kicked around, & ripped off to keep your secret! It is what is, or was! The bringing up Tarja in relationship to Nightwish is like bringing up Trump, in the US, always feeling maligned, & those supporters keeping the drama going, as a real wound. It’s been 17 year since, they were kids, it is what it is, everyone has moved on but Tarja’s Trumpers keep the battle going, when in reality it’s long over, for the best of everyone.
@@littleraven28 I don't doubt they are both at fault. But the way that they broadcasted all of her wrongdoings was not the solution and brought her excessive criticism, harrasment, and negative publicity. Tarja did not deserve that.
@@littleraven28 true, but as they've been caught lying. Including about Annette quitting when she was fired while sick, pregnant and in the hospital. Tarja show true more and more, while they show false
@@coachmikesfilmroom3111 She was fired because she dident agree to Floor as a replecement singer. She agreed she couldent do the tour and agreed that they should bring in another singer during that time but she dident want Floor because she knew what would happen. So she made an ultimatum, me or Floor lolz..... 😉
Her attitude in the band was toxic like in many toxic work places. They didn’t do it,she did. If they didn’t handle a dismissal right who cares. They put up with the diva attitude, too long. You think threatening to leave any time she wanted was right? Move on! The band is happy, so are we, & Tarja has her career now.
Why would Tuomas apologize to her? She was the one who was in the wrong. Nightwish is better off with their current singer. You fans back then spit in his damn face and blamed him for her leaving when she was fired because of her actions and attitude back then. She deserved what she got.
This is the voice and face of Nightwish for me forever. But without Nightwish, you are much more to me than just a face and a voice, a true artist. And I prefer her to stay away from Tuomas. Marko is a much better friend who respects her and doesn't see her as just his beautiful pliable doll.
There is no animosity between Tarja and Floor. On the contrary, they are good friends for a long time. They even performed together. Tarja knows that Floor is the most versatile and powerful singer and empathic storyteller. But that is not really a shortcoming, is it? Tarja is great.
She wasn't the only one Floor toured with After Forever with Nightwish when Tarja was still their singer. After Forever made heavier music than NW. Floor doesn't owe her anything
@@littleraven28 What does "heavier" have to do with it? It was symphonic metal. And you are fooling yourself if you think Floor would be where she is if it was not for Tarja. Both Sander and Floor have stated repeatedly in the past that Nightwish was en undeniable inspiration. Floor just coincidently took classical lessons and started to sing Nightwish covers in the After Forever shows? Right.
@@FemaleMetalLover After Forever was also a symphonic metal band and existed since 1995. Floor started singing for them in 1997, at 16 yrs old. She finished her singing education in 1999. Which was also the year Oceanborn was released outside of Finland. In Floorland you already had the Gathering and Within Temptation with Sharon en Adel. They were Floor's inspiration and coincidental The Gathering was also Tuomas' inpiration. So maybe we should all thank Anneke van Gierbergen 😉
@@littleraven28 Or we should just thank both? Anyway, first official album came out in 2000. So its not like she started the trend with Sharon, Tarja, Vibeke Stene and the others. Plenty of time for her to take inspiration from many bands and many singers, but Tarja was definitely one of them which was obvious in how smitten Floor was/is in Nightwish and Tarja already back then. Point is, just Xyz stated, Tarja did blaze a trail for so many other singers in the genre out there. Tarja and Nightwish was by far not the first to blend classical singing with metal and orchestra, but they are the ones who hallmarked the genre into what it is today. And Tuomas have said that without Tarja, there would not be a metal band, but acoustic folk music.
@@FemaleMetalLover I have no problem with giving thanks to whomever for being an inspiration. But Xyz made it sound like there was no else out there, which we know is not true. She did not single handedly pave the way for everyone else. Hence my reply.
Tarja is a wonderful singer and she was a part of the best Nightwish era. The songs were quite magical back then an unfortunately this magic is vanishing. This is the end of an era, indeed.
I agree that it is a stupid question, but Tarja is better. Floor is good but Tarja is why NW is so huge in the first place. She is a goddess. They will never achieve the same level of performance without her.
I never understood why people idolized Tarja so much, I mean she's an amazing person and her vocals are great, but for some songs only like Sleeping Sun, doing operatic voice in every song was kinda boring at the end, nothing different nothing risk for her, so when I came back to NW with Floor I was mesmerized by her range, and personally I think she was always meant to be part of this band cause she fits perfectly giving soul to every song, Floor made me a NW fan (and her version of Sleeping Sun is the best imo too). No hate on Tarja and Anette tho.
her operatic voice is what drew me to nightwish, the beauty and the beast aspect with Marco. but what killed me is the how pretentious she was. the other band members said multiple times she would go off saying “i would be more popular without the band”.
@@furyzxzx i love Floors voice but the music has fallen off. Olzen only had maybe 3-4 songs i personally liked. the uber high pitch sound didn’t fit the band.
@@MrMarrok657 Except she never said that. In fact, all her actions points to the fact that she wanted to slow down, and the guys wanted to increase the pace and become more famous and richer than ever.
LOL, backing vocals. Right. More like the other way around. The old Nightwish songs are absolutely Tarja. Floor has done an amazing job carrying the band and even made songs like Ghost Love Score her own but there would be no way Tarja would take a backseat to anyone.
Whatever makes you sleep at night, but why oh why are these two gentlemen asking Tarja this question? Maybe they know something that we don`t? What if someone told them to ask her that? It`s a small world you know! Looks like Floor`s gonna "Forget the setlist in 48 hours" ha, ha, ha, ha, hahah! Hey, some shoes are just too big, so biiiiiiig, gigantic, colossal to fill... ;););)
Just leaving this response I wrote to someone here. Because way too many people can't accept Tarja's HUGE role in shaping NW and the songs Tuomas wrote and their hypocrisy is ridiculous: Hilarious 😂 the only real voice of Nightwish is Tarja. All those beloved songs that I bet you love Floor singing (Ghost Love Score, Ever Dream etc) wouldn't even EXIST without Tarja because SHE WAS TUOMAS' MUSE. Name one song that Floor inspired Tuomas to write that comes close or that is as beloved by the fanbase...NONE😂 It's pathetic because even you Floor fans prefer her singing the Tarja songs rather than her own.😂😂 You have Tarja as well as Tuomas to thank for all those beautiful songs existing.
They have had so many different members, and now they are GONE. That chapter of their lives is over. If you miss her? Cherish that her chapter was 10 yrs long.
This keeps getting brought up and she's still answering the same question. Seems like deep down she's still can't get over the fact she got kicked out. But no one asks Tuomas what If Tarja apologized to him and band and asked if the can work together again. This is only to keep making her feel like a victim.
i wish as a special guest appearing LIVE concert at my country(Tarja turunen)will come with Nightwish i hope it becoming true..coz i love Tarja & all the Nightwish vocalists .& NightWish Bands .God Long Live the RockBand &FollOWers..
Full interview
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Thanks, I was kind of lost by this snippet, mostly why, it’s been over 17 years!
Marko has already fixed the relationship between him an Tarja. They sang together in a finnish Christmas concert.
Plus she's friends with Floor
Heres what i dont get... Marco left NW. According to Marco no one from NW camp called him after departure. 20 freaking years!
@@aurinkobay7118 I have no clue about that one. I haven’t heard him say that.
@@tuuli4002 yea he did lemme dig the interview
sorry i don't know exactly what happened can someone explain please?
my old-school mind says that "Nightwish without Tarja isn't Nightwish".
It’s a shame that this keeps being brought up for Tarja.
Nightwish was her claim to fame and viceversa, so it will be forever brought up, it’s only natural.
This man asking the questions is an old Tarja's good friend so I guess she was ok with the question
@@deutschesmaedchen Yeah but, with how she was kicked out and blindsided it's ...... Tuomas really aimed to hurt and embarrass her.
and he might've never been anything without her? She would've still been a classical singer like she'd set out to do. Maybe not of the magnitude she rose to.
But he made the band metal entirely because of her, because her voice had changed so drastically. They were going to be an acoustic band originally.
Tarja was the inspiration for the project.
@@iTeacupPanda Well. First of all, competition among sopranos is CRAZY - you really need to be world class to get anywhere. And let’s be realistic: Tarja was a novice singer when she started with Nightwish - they were all teens, forgodssakes!
Second, popular music is the genre to catapult you into fame very quickly, if you are lucky. Classical - certainly not!
Third, a singer is nothing without great music to sing, however phenominal she/he was. Tuomas is the mastermind behind Nightwish - do you think Tarja would've ever come to think of singing in a metal band - or in ANY band for that matter - in the first place? I don’t think so, especially since she’s made it quite clear that she never felt it was her place and what she strived for.
It was the radical idea to marry her classical vocals with metal carried by Tuomas’ undisputable skill in crafting music that catapulted the band - and Tarja with it - to incredible success. Bear in mind that Nightwish and the Dutch metal band Within Temptation were the first metal bands ever to incorporate operatic vocals into metal music - and virtually in exactly the same time, according to Loudersound www.loudersound.com/features/symphonic-metal-nightwish-within-temptation-history
Of course she wouldn’t be a star was it not for her charisma and diva quality (plus, she’s quite another singer today than in her late teens-early 20’s) but I seriously doubt she would ever have achieved the status she now has without the novelty value and success of Nightwish.
@@juharaty5449 Well FIRST OF ALL, that's the case for singers in general. Like I said, she may not have ever made it to the capacity Nightwish drove her to but she would've been successful for the reasons you mentioned.
and you've kind of went on a passion-rant insinuating things I didn't say. They both owe a great deal to eachother.
It may have been his idea to go metal, but it was because of the concept being built around her. The muse is just as much to thank, especially when she's the one making it happen as the person who is making the materials and providing the concept.
I think Anette is proof, no disrespect to her. . . . that the same Nightwish wouldn't have existed on that impactful level had it been another singer necessarily.
and being Finnish aside, Tara has a super distinct voice that is part of her diva charisma. No classical singer has that dark richness and weighty vocal that she necessarily has and brings such grandiosity to their sound.
They both made insane waves and owe it to eachother success wise. Tarja couldn't write and Tuomas isn't a charismatic frontman who stands out.
Tarja, Anette & Floor are ALL a part of the history of Nightwish.
There has also been Sami, Jukka & Marko.
Everyone has different chapters in life and learns from them.
I don't love all of the Anette era HOWEVER I did love Imaginaerum A LOT
@@xKey015xdark play passion, imaginaerum and Once are the peak of Nightwish
I like nightwish because of TARJA .
Agreed! Especially from her song Sleeping Sun
I discovered them during her period.
Creek Mary's Blood is my favorite song from that time.
Annette's period with to me personally the album Imaginareum is the best album.
Floor is amazing because, she can sing both periods very well in her own way.
Love Shoemaker and Ad Astra.
I like Nightwish because of Floor Jansen. You know why? Because Floor is more talented and doesn’t put herself before the band unlike the original singer did.
I still dream about a Nightwish tour, or at least a concert, with all the 3 singers on stage. 🙏
Same
Same
That would be great 👍
That would be awesome. All singing from their own era's :)
If STYX did it, I suppose Nightwish could too.
I don’t think they should have asked that question. She basically said it was out of order. Plus the fact that she has been friends with Floor since something like 96, 97.
Exactly not only that she just came out and said she fully supports Floor with Nightwish again, I mean I could see the difference in things if Nightwish themselves sounded the same but even their style has changed... but I get it... People don't like it when a band evolves. I mean listen to Kiss. Kiss isn't the same band anymore, neither is Heart. Both bands have evolved and changed their sound and style, yet both bands are caught up in the same war back and forth... I like the old Kiss I like the new Heart I like the old Heart blah blah blah... There have been three different eras of Nightwish all three have their highs all three have their lows... It's not about a single singer it's about the group as a whole
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Tarja and Floor could sing together, that would be great
@@membribesrr They already have.
@@shspurs1342 I meant with Nightwish...
I think the issue has always been the concerts.
Tarja was overworked at concerts, Annette was fired because she was having a child during the concert tour, and even Floor had to cancel concert tours because she has brest cancer, surgery and a baby.
Heck, I think the tours even affected Hietala
I think that whoever has been setting up the tours, Tuomas or whoever is planning them, needs to be way more considerate of the singers’
health-especially since Tarja and Floor are sopranos.
Also please stop rehashing the Tarja left Nightiwsh drama. I went to her concert, she is doing fine. Let her be.
TARJA in Nightwish was MAGIC. ✨
But in the past.
The past was nice but, the past with Annette was nice too.
The present with Floor is now and good too.
THERE IS NO NIGHTWISH WITHOUT TARJA
Yes and they made Tarja disappear from the band.😂
@@HandleyRNightwish is a brand now without Marko, Tarja and Jukka. Not a band anymore.
@@paoooba Please explain your definition of a band? As most groups/bands employ some form of branding whether it’s the logo, merchandise or style.
Diplomatic answer. Love her 🖤🤟🏻🤘🏻🤍🩶💯
Marko and Tarja should do their own thing.
😂 yep just now released a new video
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I wonder when this stupid discussion will end. Tarja left Nightwish 17 years ago. Move on people!!
Clearly people are not moving on for a reason. Because they are dissatisfied with the state of Nightwish these days.
@@luxetveritas9196 nagging about Tarja's departure does not help. It is useless and childish. Real fans should support them.
@@JoTummers Quite hard to do that when a certain member of the band openly derides Tarja and the original era of the band, which is beyond disgraceful considering that Tarja and the old style of NW is what originally made the band which he stepped into years later so successful. Just appalling.
Nightwish upgraded! No need to bring her back! It’s over
@@claydo8117 nope it's a huge devolution.
Tuomas has stated that time and maturity has healed that wound. I, for one, would absolutely love to see maybe a special anniversary show, with Tarja, Sami, Marko, and Anette...I personally feel that Targa married, and was led astray by a Svengali.....on Tuomas' part, the band removed "Poest and the Pendulum"from the concert play list; made the statement that"we've.grown beyond that....i think that hatchet has been mutually buried by all parties involved
Yet you don't name Floor, the best singer they ever had, and the one that carried them for the last 11 years. Hypocrisy...
In 10 or 15 years, we'll all be ready for some real Nightwish, just once more.
Tarja must think "what annoying people, always with the same thing". Until when will it be clear to them that Tarja is no longer going to return to Nightwish? Now Floor Jansen is the official vocalist and she will be the last (in the words of Tuomas himself).
Tuomas also said that Nightwish would be no more without Tarja, during an interview in Buenos Aires in 2004, and literally months later he fired her. So I wouldn't take his comments on Floor as gospel 🤣. His word doesn't really mean much.
They should do a tour with all 3 singers singing their own song.
With Markko too, pero encuentro difícil.
That would be awesome 😮
@@maritapia7558 and Jukka
@@maritapia7558 and Jukka
She was my favorite singer they had.
These kids nowadays commenting Floor is goddes of Nightwish 🤣 Don’t get me wrong, Floor is great singer, nothing against her, but to us, fans of this band since their first day of existence it’s hilarious. Nightwish became what it became thanks to this lady, her voice and their original idea to combine metal and opera voice, they were first and that’s what made them successful. Aside all stories about their break up, purely artistically speaking Nightwish 1996-2005 was absolute perfection thanks to the great instrumentals and Tarja’s iconic voice. For me, nothing and nobody can beat that, not even Floor’s versatility ( it’s about uniqueness of the voice color, not ability to sing all for the commercial purposes) . I will listen those songs as long as I live. And after 25 years of listening, it stil evokes the same emotions as the first time and that can do only Tarja voice, that’s where here greatness lies.
Preach! You have said it all, my friend
I arge with you my good sir.
So beautifully put! And I've only been aware of/listening to NW since 2018 and I know that Tarja is the true goddess of Nightwish. It's crystal clear.
yesss exactly. the uniqueness in her voice just makes nightwish, nightwish. her voice is just different than any other singers. that's what I like about Tarja's voice
Well said
Well it was definitely their loss. She has an absolutely beautiful voice that was a very important ingredient in their musical formula.
Definately not. Another person that has no idea why she was told to leave the band. Do yourself a favor and go read the letter toumas wrote. Tarja deserved to be kicked out. Her narcissism was overwhelming to the point of making her leave. After the things she said and did. She is lucky she didnt get booted sooner. Toumas is the only reason she had her career lift off
@@abigailisaliveyeah because we are gonna believe everything Toumas said.
He is 10 times richer than every member of the band. Tarja was an original member. I would also get mad if I wouldn't be paid.
She got paid literal shit pennies.
Stop acting like you know shit. They all hide the truth.
If someone tells you they went on Mars would you believe them ? Your sheep mentality is beyond ret**ded.
Toumas got all the money while the other band members got pennies. Tarja stood up and she got fired spare me with your bs 😂
Yes. Nightwish became pure pop trash after her. There is a reason Toumas was crying at their last concert.
@@abigailisaliveDemasiado ego la hizo perderse, cancelar conciertos por decisión de ella y querer dar prioridad a su carrera en solitario por encima de Nightwish, deberían haberla expulsado ya con su tercer álbum.
At least she and Tuomas are talking again. However, there is no need for cooperation on either side. NW has an excellent singer, Tarja can now decide for herself what she sings.
When did they start talking? To my knowledge they still aren't, she's talked to Marco since and of course she and Floor remain friends.
@@coachmikesfilmroom3111 I remember that Tuoma's father died and Tarja sent him her condolences in a letter. That's not a friendship yet, but a normalization. Meanwhile, Tuomas no longer wants The Poet and the Pentelum on the setlist. But he didn't justify it with Tarja.
@@Mischnikvideos That was because Floor refused to do it anymore. same with mpg. Tarja also knew Tuomas's father as well as his mother.
@@coachmikesfilmroom3111 Nja Floor dont mind Poet, Tuomas always had problems with that one, why.the band members make sure he us ok while they play it, he also turns off the inear the last section....
absolutely...
Tbh, it would be nice if she join them incl floor at the farewell tour when they decide to end the journey. Tarja and Floor are really good with eachother so they canndo 50/50 on that last tour. Hopefully still many years away 😉
Whatever band accomplished after Tarja, Tarja was Nightwish.
The band accomplished much after chapter 1 which ends when Tarja leaves. Tarja has accomplished a lot too which she had more freedom to do without being tied down by Nightwish. I suppose this counts for many people…..you move on. Marco is doing the same with tremendous success. I’m a relatively new fan to Nightwish, since 2019 but have gone back in their history and can honestly say that I’m also a Tarja fan and a Marco fan as well as a Nightwish fan. One does not exclude the other. Most of their older music is sometimes still played in the Floor era as she can perform them. Of course she does so in her manner, what else do you expect….? she has a different voice. Not worse, not better, different.
Yes it would be great to have an all-in-reunion with new and old Nightwish members but I believe that the fans will love this much more than the people who ever performed for Nightwish. They have moved on and so should we. Time only moves forward.
No Tuomas is Nightwish, he is the source of all the music, its his creative vision than and now. As much as we can love the other members for their immense talents and they are indeed immense it has always been Tuomas as the creative engine that makes Nightwish who they were and are.
"Tarja was Nightwish".... Nightwish was Tuomas Holopainen.
There are always two sides of a table.i think both sides learned their lessons. All the best to Tarja and NW.
True. People are so quick to judge without knowing all the facts. I'm sure NW could have handled it better, but at the same I think the communication between Tarja and the band was basically so disturbed that they saw no other way than a letter. Where 2 fight, the truth is usually in the middle and both parties could have handled it better.
As for her touring with NW, please people give it a rest, she left 17yrs back and has a great career of her own. In fact I like her better now than with NW. It's an insult to her to only refer to her as an ex-NW singer. At the same time I like NW better now with Floor. Stop dragging this same old same old
What happened happened more than sixteen years ago, and as with everything there is the NW truth and there is Tarja’s truth, and somewhere in the middle, there’s the actual truth. People should really move on now, they both have each moved on in the direction they chose. I like Tarja and I think she has a wonderful voice, but Nightwish 2022 I definitely prefer Floor on vocals.
Yes there always two sides, but sometimes there are simple facts that you cant ignore, and actions that are undisputable, and unacceptable.
For example, a woman who is raped by a man, who has not given consent. There are no "two sides" to this story, it has no relevance whether she flirted or wore daring clothes.
Just like with Nightwish and Tarja, knowing the fact that the guys had multiple opportunities to let her go peacefully, but still decided to string her along, and actively planed her departure in this very immature and distasteful way behind the scenes (all facts revealed in the Nightwish book), and repeatedly violated her rights by contrating tours behind her back and willingly kept the information from her until it was too late. Information like this should not so easily be discarded as "there are two sides". The examples I gave are just the tip of the iceberg.
@@FemaleMetalLover while I absolutely get what you say about the situation between NW and Tarja, PLEASE don’t liken it to a despicable act like rape. Rape is a crime, there is only one truth, that of the victim.
@@javelin60 Sure, maybe an extreme example, but you do get the point. Even if half the things they accused Tarja of was true (majority have been debunked as half truths and utter lies), nothing can justify the way they choose the air their dirty laundry infront of a world audience that way, create narratives for fans to fill in the blanks filled with severe accusations and borderline sexist and racist views to a person who had already offered to leave in a peaceful manner. Thus, there is a clear victim here and the talk about "two sides to the story" does not hold.
Nightwish is just not Nightwish without Tarja.
YALL NEED TO MOVE ON THEY NEVER GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT THEY DID SPECIALLY TUOMAS. ITS KINDA SAD BUT YEAH ITS THE REALITY.
I mean…she didn’t say “no”👀
Am I the only one who still suffer for this separation?
No. I am here
Me here. I cried when they fired her and I long for them to reunite for one last show. I would travel anywhere for it. Never saw them with tarja. 😢
Floor is a great singer, but Tarja and Nightwish song are unique, nobody will sing Nemo, Wishmaster, Ever dream, sleeping sun, Planet hell, Bless the child etc like Tarja
And, yeah Floor made Ghost love score her song!
There definitely are many songs that are Tarja's songs definitely.
@@jesusgallegos7391 sure Floor does a great job with that but still Tarja version is much better
It’s no comparison, really. Nightwish with Tarja and after her are completely different bands
@@KingOfBlades27Falso, son canciones del compositor Tuomas Holopainen y no de Tarja. Holopainen es Nightwish y no Tarja.
She's SUCH a good person! She has millon reasons to hate on Tuomas, but instead she sees only the possible oportunity to connect with people through their music dispite all the trauma with the Nightwish, and specially Tuomas, he's such a diva, he won't say yes to this idea.
I love Tarja response. Good to see she is in good terms and have moved on.
I started to like Nightwish with Tarja, I stayed with and loved Nightwish for Floor.
I love Nightwish, but they had some nerve implying that Tarja was a diva.
Did someone ever ask Nightwish if they'd apologize to Tarja ? Not because of reuniting and playing music again, but because of being mature.
is she singing or talking? her voice ❤🔥
Tarja is the real deal.
Nightwish no tarza not good 😢😢
They shouldn't have asked that question, Floor has been their singer for many years
I love her but I hope she doesn't go back to them. She is better off without them. There's no going back anyway. NW is apparently ending their live performances. Floor herself said that because of this, plan B (her solo career) is now becoming plan A
In my opinion, the official vocalist and the face of Nightwish is Flor Jansen unquestionably and apparently Tuomas has understood that she can be the vocalist of Nightwish and at the same time she can work on her career as a soloist since I have seen that Flor alone is a something other than NW is like listening to Celine Dion but louder with more attitude. But as a commentator, being Tuomas, I would arrange a world tour called "Trilogy" where the three vocalists would be and that would bring euphoria to fans of all times in NW and of course good money.
LMAO.
I still dream for Tarja to be back on tour with Nightwish. I dig the vibe of their songs with her singing and she is so precious that I can't help but to love her.
Tarja, untouchable FINNISH GODDESS! Love you forever, from the UK 🇬🇧 ❤️
@@oldschoolgamer-w4u I'm not even at all Finnish and I am disgusted by the number of Finns I have seen who don't support the goddess that their country was blessed with. Shame on you.
@@oldschoolgamer-w4u lmao Tarja doesn't need any 'help' because she's just fine. Also I'm not going round calling people names until they initiate it. You're the one who called me a bitch elsewhere and deleted your comment, you hypocrite. 😂😂
@@oldschoolgamer-w4u you need mental help for your astounding hypocrisy, not me. Normally I wouldn't say someone has to support someone else who has the same nationality as them, but Tarja is so unique and special that it's a shame. ESPECIALLY when I see so many 'proud Finns' talking crap about her. I like to point out their hypocrisy. I'm not Scandinavian at all, actually, or anything closely related, though I'd like to be, so do not try that with me. And yes I consider myself an honorary Finn because I'm grateful for how much Finns have contributed to my life.
@@oldschoolgamer-w4u your hypocrisy for calling me a bitch, trolling a Tarja video, and complaining about me 'calling people names' 😂😂 You're the one who needs to grow up, hypocritical moron.
@@oldschoolgamer-w4u LMFAO there is a reason why Tarja is the MOST highly regarded in the genre. Nice try twisting the truth. 😂 People who find her boring have low attention spans because she doesn't do flashy flamboyant shit all the time. They can't appreciate a true classy performer. She doesn't need to put on a show when she IS the show.
too much time has passed and we know well on which side what happened, so as far as I'm concerned I hope that such a thing never happens.
I could see Tarja join Floor for a duet during a NW show; haven’t they performed together before? But I doubt Tarja would join a whole tour.
Of coarse Floor and Tarja did, they are good friends for more than 20 years.
They performed Over the Hills and Far Away, that's all I think
What a strange question! Tarja had already given notice that she was only going to do only one more album, and was not going to do any more touring for more than two weeks, and that after that she was going solo.
Nightwish does not have to apologize to her. Why? She was leaving anyhow. Nightwish decided to expedite the process by firing her preemptively. A classic "You can't quit, you're fired". Maybe the initially closed open letter was a bit harsh, but the communication between her and the rest had already totally broken down, thanks to Marcelo.
Marcelo, her future husband, who had wheedled himself into her good graces after being sympathetic to her after hiring nitwit security who stood by and did nothing when Tarja was sexually attacked in Guadalajara. To his credit, he did intervene, but his intervention should not have been necessary.
Tuomas has already said that Floor is the last Nightwish singer. He doesn't want to deal with the drama of a singer change anymore. Tarja is never coming back, unless maybe as a guest if she apologizes to them.
It is better to be a muse to a genius composer than to be a sometimes spectacular singer who thinks that they can compose. I have her first two albums, but I don't remember one song. "Colors in the Dark" is the title of the first album I think, but the second was totally forgettable.
A few years ago, I had the opportunity to see Serpentyne, Stratovarius and Tarja in Utrecht. I really enjoyed the first two support acts, but the Tarja stage took a stupid amount of time to set up. While I was resting my old back waiting for Tarja, I asked myself why I wanted to see Tarja. "She has a beautiful voice, when she does not go overboard with that big wobbly vibrato", I replied to myself. My next question to myself was "How many Tarja songs do you know?" to which I had to admit "Not one", even though I own two Tarja albums. The last question I asked my self was which Nightwish songs she would sing. The answer was none, since she only does an awkward medley of portions of three Nightwish "greatest hits" none of which are personal favourites.
So I left the venue without listening to Tarja.
Okay...either you just twisted the context, or dont know all of it.
Tarja had told the guys in a meeting she was willing to do one more last album, the guys agreed and they all set the terms of her departure mutually. If they thought her so shitty to work with, they could have dumped right there and then.
Yet they strung her along, and back-stabbed her. 9 months before End of an Era, is when the guys decided to fire her, read the Nightwish book, the guys tell it themselves. Thus, they milked every ounce they could of her. Contracted tours behind her back without letting her view the terms and the conditions, and one time even notified her less than 24 hours of a concert, and have the nerve to mislead fans to believe she wanted to cancel and hang out with friends.
She did not refuse tours more than two weeks. The WHOLE BAND mutually decided after a disastrous experience in North-America that they would only return there for a period of two weeks. Surprise surprise, Tarja finds out from fans randomely on the street that there is a 4-week North-American tour happening in just a couple of months.
The guys were assholes, caring more about tour excessively and party 24/7 than the health, and Jukka paid the heavy price, and Marco fell to his old alcholism habbits, cheated on his wife, lost his son over it. Yet the women are to blame. Stop being a hater, if you just dont like Tarjas voice, thats totally okay, but do your research next time.
Everybody, forgets, Tarja was giving her NW band mates the ultimatums, so they had to look, elsewhere, for the future of the band. Tarja made her choice, no one, else!
@@FemaleMetalLover thanks for your comment, absolutely true.
We love you.
My one wish before I die.
#1. EVERY band evolves over the years - they change styles sounds and personnel. #2. Tarja had her era with the band and sounded terrific during her run. Now it's Floor's turn as Nightwish moved on! #3. Nightwish has basically given Floor the green light to improvise due to her vocal styles on many older songs, #4. Marko had his turn with the band as did Jukka. Some of you don't seem to understand or comprehend music genre!
she didn't say no, I take it as an absolute win ;)
I would love to see Floor and Tarja take the stage together.
I never felt she would say, "No" if a reunion was offered. At least, not from anything I ever saw. It always seemed to depend on Tuomas' take on the matter. Personally, I'd love to see Tuomas come up with a master song that could incorporate all three vocalists in one song. It would be the epic song to top all songs (but I'd want Marko in there, too - and he doesn't seem inclined to ever return).
@@laudatosiadastra1218
Have you seen this? Your wish came true years ago.
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@@michaelm.1947 I don't think such a mishmash of vocalists would work, in all honesty, even though the idea is nice. Anette definitely not. She is just so out of her depth compared to the others.
@@michaelm.1947 Tarja was actually asked to do the decade tour with them, but she declined
She dont need them her solo music is masterful while their music is just gotten bizzare
An album with her as guest would be awesome
I don't know the context but still asking her those questions is so dumb
Nightwish has the best singer on the planet! She might have noted that, as supposedly “her friend”! Who are these guys, & why would we care about his pipe dreams?
The real unique goddess of metal sinfonic
Yes Tarja and Floor together what a show it would be ❤
🤭 Wouldn't it be nice that all of them would apologize to each other.
Both sides made mistakes.
I wish people would stop talking to her about this nonsense
Why should there be "just one tour with Nightwish"? Nightwish HAVE a singer and she's awesome.
Now we've got the answer from her, it's not going to happen. But the Nightwish golden era with Tarja and Marco is the best ever, that was the real Nightwish.
💯
Omg it takes one apology to make things work again, Nightwish members should apologize ❤
why? for Tarjas behaving like a Diva?
I appreciate all you have done Tarja, youre a star.
Yo le pido a Dios todos los días que regrese hacer una gira de perdido, por favor tarja
Tarja ❤❤❤
The instant smile on her face when he mentioned it tells is all. Tarja is Nightwish 🙏
With all due respect to Tarja and Anette, Floor Jansen is Nightwish
I really love tarja really i do but my heart is with floor as you say floor is nightwish
With all so respect, your completely wrong.
Tuomas is Nightwish!
Hilarious 😂 the only real voice of Nightwish is Tarja. All those beloved songs that I bet you love Floor singing (Ghost Love Score, Ever Dream etc) wouldn't even EXIST without Tarja because SHE WAS TUOMAS' MUSE. Name one song that Floor inspired Tuomas to write that comes close or that is as beloved by the fanbase...NONE😂 It's pathetic because even you Floor fans prefer her singing the Tarja songs rather than her own.😂😂 You have Tarja as well as Tuomas to thank for all those beautiful songs existing.
The most popular albums and songs comes from the albums made with Tarja and Anette. Two original albums in and Floor just about broke it with the song Greatest show in Earth but since then it has been a nothing fest.
The band members are focusing way more on their individual careers and side projects at the moment.
Oh..Let this go! It's been so long ago..Always harassing her about NIGHTWISH... Everyone has Moved On---it's called Life.
Why would NW need to apologize to Tarja? This woman is not some kind of holy Maria nor a biblical angel. At times she has nasty shadow-sides, like all humans do, and these shadow-sides made her impossible to work with. This is old history, let it go and move on
Quite the opposite, the guys were impossible to work with, contracting tours behind her back, repeatedly breaking mutual decisions set by the whole band. Telling fans misleading half-truths. Tarja has more collaborations than any solo artist in metal, working with her is just fine if ask Within Temptation, Scorpions and other more prominent names.
Besides, the guys had ample opportunities to let her go peacefully, but admit themselves in the Nightwish book at that they strung her along for 9 months, lying to her face every day that their mutual agreement of her departure was the deal, whilst they planned this spectacle behind her back. Oh and leaving a pregnant women alone in a foreign country? Marco already apologised, its only right Tuomas does it too.
@@FemaleMetalLover Yeah, there are always two sides to a story, that's how it goes when humans have conflicts. And nobody from the outside watching knows the real truth. Fact remains, the band kicked her out because they did not want to work with her anymore, and wanted to move on. Now it's many many years later, they have Floor, and Tuomas and Floor are happy, so it all ended well. Tuomas is already working on his third album with Floor as the NW lead vocalist, so close all the history books.
@@oldschoolgamer-w4u With Anette it was an even bigger problem dude, do your fkn research.
Tarja toda una artista... Un gran talento ....
I think everyone involved, Tarja, Tuomos, Marco.... should apologize. They are all at fault... Tarja and husband how they got greedy and the way nightwish announced it publicly the way they did.
Marko has already fixed the relationship between him an Tarja. They sang together in a finnish Christmas concert.
Don’t be a greedy outlier, & expect those being kicked around, & ripped off to keep your secret! It is what is, or was! The bringing up Tarja in relationship to Nightwish is like bringing up Trump, in the US, always feeling maligned, & those supporters keeping the drama going, as a real wound. It’s been 17 year since, they were kids, it is what it is, everyone has moved on but Tarja’s Trumpers keep the battle going, when in reality it’s long over, for the best of everyone.
Imo they owe her an apology, regardless of how long it's been. Both Marco and Tuomas acknowledged that the way they handled it was in bad taste.
Ever heard the expression where 2 fight there are 2 at fault... we don't have all the facts.
@@littleraven28 I don't doubt they are both at fault. But the way that they broadcasted all of her wrongdoings was not the solution and brought her excessive criticism, harrasment, and negative publicity. Tarja did not deserve that.
@@littleraven28 true, but as they've been caught lying. Including about Annette quitting when she was fired while sick, pregnant and in the hospital. Tarja show true more and more, while they show false
@@coachmikesfilmroom3111 She was fired because she dident agree to Floor as a replecement singer. She agreed she couldent do the tour and agreed that they should bring in another singer during that time but she dident want Floor because she knew what would happen. So she made an ultimatum, me or Floor lolz..... 😉
Her attitude in the band was toxic like in many toxic work places. They didn’t do it,she did. If they didn’t handle a dismissal right who cares. They put up with the diva attitude, too long. You think threatening to leave any time she wanted was right? Move on! The band is happy, so are we, & Tarja has her career now.
TARJA SMART ARTIST WITH A GREAT VOICE & CHARISMA.
Tarja is so unbelievably beautiful i wish she was still singing for nightwish
Why would Tuomas apologize to her? She was the one who was in the wrong. Nightwish is better off with their current singer. You fans back then spit in his damn face and blamed him for her leaving when she was fired because of her actions and attitude back then. She deserved what she got.
This is the voice and face of Nightwish for me forever. But without Nightwish, you are much more to me than just a face and a voice, a true artist.
And I prefer her to stay away from Tuomas. Marko is a much better friend who respects her and doesn't see her as just his beautiful pliable doll.
There is no animosity between Tarja and Floor.
On the contrary, they are good friends for a long time.
They even performed together.
Tarja knows that Floor is the most versatile and powerful singer and empathic storyteller.
But that is not really a shortcoming, is it?
Tarja is great.
The true metal Queen. All the other ladies owe this woman a big Thank you for blazing a trail.
She wasn't the only one Floor toured with After Forever with Nightwish when Tarja was still their singer. After Forever made heavier music than NW. Floor doesn't owe her anything
@@littleraven28 What does "heavier" have to do with it? It was symphonic metal.
And you are fooling yourself if you think Floor would be where she is if it was not for Tarja. Both Sander and Floor have stated repeatedly in the past that Nightwish was en undeniable inspiration. Floor just coincidently took classical lessons and started to sing Nightwish covers in the After Forever shows? Right.
@@FemaleMetalLover After Forever was also a symphonic metal band and existed since 1995. Floor started singing for them in 1997, at 16 yrs old. She finished her singing education in 1999. Which was also the year Oceanborn was released outside of Finland. In Floorland you already had the Gathering and Within Temptation with Sharon en Adel. They were Floor's inspiration and coincidental The Gathering was also Tuomas' inpiration. So maybe we should all thank Anneke van Gierbergen 😉
@@littleraven28 Or we should just thank both? Anyway, first official album came out in 2000. So its not like she started the trend with Sharon, Tarja, Vibeke Stene and the others. Plenty of time for her to take inspiration from many bands and many singers, but Tarja was definitely one of them which was obvious in how smitten Floor was/is in Nightwish and Tarja already back then.
Point is, just Xyz stated, Tarja did blaze a trail for so many other singers in the genre out there. Tarja and Nightwish was by far not the first to blend classical singing with metal and orchestra, but they are the ones who hallmarked the genre into what it is today. And Tuomas have said that without Tarja, there would not be a metal band, but acoustic folk music.
@@FemaleMetalLover I have no problem with giving thanks to whomever for being an inspiration. But Xyz made it sound like there was no else out there, which we know is not true. She did not single handedly pave the way for everyone else. Hence my reply.
We want a tour with Tarja, Floor and Anette singing Nightwish on their own without Tuomas
Tarja is a wonderful singer and she was a part of the best Nightwish era. The songs were quite magical back then an unfortunately this magic is vanishing. This is the end of an era, indeed.
What a stupid question!!!!!! Sorry Tarja, you are good, but Floor is the Valkyrie Goddess!!!!
I agree that it is a stupid question, but Tarja is better. Floor is good but Tarja is why NW is so huge in the first place. She is a goddess. They will never achieve the same level of performance without her.
@@LordDangles Floor the Goddess!!!
@@LordDangles 💯🤘🏽🤘🏽
Floor just destroys tarja's songs. Tarja is a goddess!!
@@LordDangles Nightwish became way bigger after Tarja left. She isn't the reason they are big now.
Tarja love
If Guns N Roses reunited then probably they will too 😅
Nightwish sucks without tarja!
I never understood why people idolized Tarja so much, I mean she's an amazing person and her vocals are great, but for some songs only like Sleeping Sun, doing operatic voice in every song was kinda boring at the end, nothing different nothing risk for her, so when I came back to NW with Floor I was mesmerized by her range, and personally I think she was always meant to be part of this band cause she fits perfectly giving soul to every song, Floor made me a NW fan (and her version of Sleeping Sun is the best imo too). No hate on Tarja and Anette tho.
her operatic voice is what drew me to nightwish, the beauty and the beast aspect with Marco. but what killed me is the how pretentious she was. the other band members said multiple times she would go off saying “i would be more popular without the band”.
@@MrMarrok657 yeah that sucks
@@furyzxzx i love Floors voice but the music has fallen off. Olzen only had maybe 3-4 songs i personally liked. the uber high pitch sound didn’t fit the band.
@@MrMarrok657 Except she never said that. In fact, all her actions points to the fact that she wanted to slow down, and the guys wanted to increase the pace and become more famous and richer than ever.
@@FemaleMetalLover i’ll take the words of the rest of the band over hers and yours.
If i was interviewing her. There is no way i would have asked her that question. Because i wouldn’t be like him. I.E having no respect for her.
With respect to Tarja, Nightwish are just better live with Floor Jansen who are one of the best female singer on the planet right now
Great idea! She can do backing vocals for Floor ;)
LOL, backing vocals. Right. More like the other way around. The old Nightwish songs are absolutely Tarja. Floor has done an amazing job carrying the band and even made songs like Ghost Love Score her own but there would be no way Tarja would take a backseat to anyone.
Whatever makes you sleep at night, but why oh why are these two gentlemen asking Tarja this question? Maybe they know something that we don`t? What if someone told them to ask her that? It`s a small world you know! Looks like Floor`s gonna "Forget the setlist in 48 hours" ha, ha, ha, ha, hahah! Hey, some shoes are just too big, so biiiiiiig, gigantic, colossal to fill... ;););)
I think he is suitable as floor jansen's personal assistant.. 🤣🤣🤣
xD tu m'as tué . Deux meufs sur scènes .c'est la guerre
Just leaving this response I wrote to someone here. Because way too many people can't accept Tarja's HUGE role in shaping NW and the songs Tuomas wrote and their hypocrisy is ridiculous:
Hilarious 😂 the only real voice of Nightwish is Tarja. All those beloved songs that I bet you love Floor singing (Ghost Love Score, Ever Dream etc) wouldn't even EXIST without Tarja because SHE WAS TUOMAS' MUSE. Name one song that Floor inspired Tuomas to write that comes close or that is as beloved by the fanbase...NONE😂 It's pathetic because even you Floor fans prefer her singing the Tarja songs rather than her own.😂😂 You have Tarja as well as Tuomas to thank for all those beautiful songs existing.
@@oldschoolgamer-w4u is a shit song.
it would be nice
I want Elina Siirala in Nightwish.
They have had so many different members, and now they are GONE. That chapter of their lives is over. If you miss her? Cherish that her chapter was 10 yrs long.
Tarja4Evr ❤
This keeps getting brought up and she's still answering the same question. Seems like deep down she's still can't get over the fact she got kicked out. But no one asks Tuomas what If Tarja apologized to him and band and asked if the can work together again. This is only to keep making her feel like a victim.
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Seria meu sonho?
We don´t need Tarja and her greedy husband, nor does Nightwish.
I love you, Tarja!
They have Floor now
Stupid, unnecessary question.
I love Tarja. Floor is good, but Tarja is incomparable. The end of that partnership was bad for everybody :/
Just your Opinion. Mine is that--Floor is Multi-talented and raised the Level of NIGHTWISH. The other singers were..Limited.
gotta feeling she'll be back and it's gonna be Epic
i wish as a special guest appearing LIVE concert at my country(Tarja turunen)will come with Nightwish i hope it becoming true..coz i love Tarja & all the Nightwish vocalists .& NightWish Bands .God Long Live the RockBand &FollOWers..