Its funny that Lux lost her mind and all chatted all game for you doing to her what she has been doing to every other champion before Mel was a thing, literally long range poking and CCing out ranging most other supports and all adcs
The only real answer to Mel in mid or support I've found is Karma. Her shield and movespeed boost on her e helps negate Mel's q dmg a lot and gets you out of the way of her e more often than not. Just bait out mel's w and poke her down with karma q/ult+q spam. Shield when needed. Not foolproof, but the most survivable of any champion I've seen so far.
I want to see you play the absolute most man-mode Mel ever: AP Bruiser Mel. Run at them without fear of death, reflect whatever you can, and steal every kill (or just do the work yourself, because you’re that good) to befuddle everyone!
I hope it doesnt take them too long to ad Mel to wild rift. I am a support main, who enjoys mages, my first main was Seraphine, and I feel Mel might be a nice champ for me to play
he cant impress his goofy fanbase by playing in diamond/master. Not good enough to go 12/1. I saw him raging in diamond with 30% winrate as pyke, struggling to win games.
@@DK-js6ym i think you’re being a little harsh here, if he made the content in silver because its easier to get satisfying gameplay i understand that. i dont think it makes anyone goofy or him bad at the game. thankyou for telling me though
one time i had a kog maw adc, but i kept getting all the kills, i felt bad that i roamed early so he can soak up xp another was me and swain just bullying the enemy bot lane early game lmao with just my support item and his doran's
How about a Vi support? She feels like she really belongs in the current season with her early game cheesiness, reliable engage, mobility, and overall scrappiness. Really undervalued off-meta support pick imo
The vanguard thing happens sometimes, the other day the game suddenly stopped as "vanguard is updating" or something like emergency update and closed and since it was the last game of the night I didn't mind and just shut down the pc thinking if it's importantly updating it was for everyone, but no, next day I boot up the game and I had a penalization for AFK on that match
Mel was a very dominant Support! Definitely worth taking! I still think her mid is better for the level advantage and her execute on clearing is less valuable as a support.
The thing is that her execute+damage can EASILY be tuned with numbers, but you can't nerf what her W does. You can give it a higher cooldown or make it do less damage etc, but you can never take back the fact that you can reflect any projectile ability. It's inherently permanently broken by design
@@i0kiVids the problem with her W, is that if the player doesn't know what all the enemy abilities do, and if they can be W'd, I feel like it will work against lower level Mels.
You can counter Nunu so hard with Mel. When he runs at you, you root hin with E which makes him lose the ball, which you then can reflect with your W. That way an AP Nunu basicaly oneshots himself and he is also CC'ed the whole time.
At 8:33 you got hit by the lux q and then still reflected it at her... that seems unfair, you already got hit/were to slow to react so why can you still reflect it after the hit (i am aware that it seems to be possible with Lux Q because it travels on and can hit a second target, similar Neeko E could be reflected after you already got hit but it seems unfair and shouldn't be part of this op ability)
As a lux main her W isn’t THAT bad, when throwing Q keep moving so when she pops W it doesn’t hit you. Which shouldn’t be hard since that sort of has to be done with other mages who have roots or hooks! Still Mel is an extremely strong champion
The hardest game i had with her were against fighters/assassins, like Akali, Yasuo, Yone ect. They easily dodge your q and your w is useless because they don't really have projectiles. Veigar and Viktor are good against her too. In botlane her biggest counters are healers. I destroyed a Mel by simply playing Soraka and spamming my w on the adc lmao, they can't execute
Vladimir, or anyone with insane healing/regen. Mel has high mana costs and high cooldowns. It's not possible to kill them alone as Mel. Like, at all. Good ol' Galio is always there, too. Also, anyone who can dive on her multiple times (getting on her even after she uses her W). Any tank. Etc etc. People are whining so much. She has plenty of counterplay.
Reflecting Blitz hook pulls blitz right to you, so it's not that effective unless you're doing it under your own tower. I love both her skins, they're start of and end of Arcane Mel.
It's amusing to see that a single champion can do more 'poke' than a Lux and Caitlyn in bot lane. It's just incredible how insane this champion is. As someone who likes playing Swain, she has destroyed my champion in the lane phase so many times.
Im not following that hype train. She is meh when you're not ahead after the nerfs. Was even a bit ahead on a game and couldn't kill an adc in one full combo. She has crazy good matchups and super bad ones. Especialy those where your W is useless. Yes it is crazy good against lux cuz you can walk up to her and she cannot do anything. But when you play against a sylas for example it is worthless. Also horrible when a hecarim just runs you down and you cannot do anything
W needs to be her Ultimate, would still be OP. Make her W like a Kalista rend (essentially a nerfed version of her ult). Lower range of her Q by 100 range. Champ fixed
It's kind of a bummer that she's such a meme. I loved Arcane and enjoyed her character, and I was excited to main her for a while. Now it kind of feels disingenuous.
The fact that Q lowers the cooldown on arcane comet is the biggest oversight ever by riot, that is utterly disgusting, HOW did that make it past pbe it's literally impossible to miss the ability it's free poke in every lane it's almost as bad as the W honestly, which blocks every ability in the game - Kayle ult on a 20second cd? That's not even with the reflection
riot have being doing it for years, releasing broken champs to make people buy them and their skins and after 1month just huge nerfs. i mean look at "rengar" that champion is nothing like what he was when he was introduced.
5:20 The execution speed of the q skill is very high and its clarity is zero. So you can escape from a Soraka q offer, you will see the lux q offer coming, you can even react to the veigar ultimate more easily. Instead of nerfing, it is necessary to design a logical character
Hey man, I've been trying Thresh supp with mixed results. Hope there might be someone gameplay from tge best. p.s. I always ban mel in my games coz f her
What I'm really curious about is why her wr is so bad, esp in support. At present tho, she seems like a better lux, with all the same problems and benefits
I feel like the best way to keep Mel's W and have it not be Crazy OP is for it to only automatically hit targeted abilities. It could be that skillshots are still reflected, but in order to hit an enemy, you have to reflect it at the right angle and then there is also some counterplay. Kinda like how your reflected the snowball but Nunu didn't get hit.
Its funny that Lux lost her mind and all chatted all game for you doing to her what she has been doing to every other champion before Mel was a thing, literally long range poking and CCing out ranging most other supports and all adcs
Factsssssssssss
She did NOT like getting a taste of her own medicine
Say what you will about Lux, but Mel is the most ultra-bs champion since aoe gold card era TF lol
To be fair lux kit is not that strong, but Mel is literally no counter play
@@ludekwan7643 what about amumu?
That vanguard thing can happen, and when it does, just restart the game using the riot client, not the league launcher
200 years of game design
Not only is the W amazing the threat of the W also makes enemy play really weird if it's up
Yep there are SO many spells that you just 100% cant use until Mel has used her W, its insane value even when NOT being cast
You can bait it by purposefully missing.
@@i0kiVids seraphine is literally unplayable into her 😭
@@stitchfruit3538 OMG i imagine
The only real answer to Mel in mid or support I've found is Karma. Her shield and movespeed boost on her e helps negate Mel's q dmg a lot and gets you out of the way of her e more often than not. Just bait out mel's w and poke her down with karma q/ult+q spam. Shield when needed. Not foolproof, but the most survivable of any champion I've seen so far.
People have already been dodging the Mel W reflects in my games haha.
I want to see you play the absolute most man-mode Mel ever: AP Bruiser Mel. Run at them without fear of death, reflect whatever you can, and steal every kill (or just do the work yourself, because you’re that good) to befuddle everyone!
Vanguard is practically riot games anti cheat system that glitches from time to time
I hope it doesnt take them too long to ad Mel to wild rift. I am a support main, who enjoys mages, my first main was Seraphine, and I feel Mel might be a nice champ for me to play
may i ask why you primarily make content in bronze - silver if you're gm?
I second this question
he cant impress his goofy fanbase by playing in diamond/master. Not good enough to go 12/1. I saw him raging in diamond with 30% winrate as pyke, struggling to win games.
@@DK-js6ym i think you’re being a little harsh here, if he made the content in silver because its easier to get satisfying gameplay i understand that. i dont think it makes anyone goofy or him bad at the game. thankyou for telling me though
one time i had a kog maw adc, but i kept getting all the kills, i felt bad that i roamed early so he can soak up xp
another was me and swain just bullying the enemy bot lane early game lmao with just my support item and his doran's
Her W needs to disappear once it reflects a single projectile. The broken part of it is being able to block like 12 things at once.
Speaking of ashe poke support. Full ap with the new boots and so oneshot targets now. Its so fun to play late game. Just a bit of a pain early
We need the ranked climb with Mel supportttt
Gotta bh, the champ (after trying it) feels strong, but can't stop loving my Morgana. Nice content I0ki, keep it up!
How about a Vi support? She feels like she really belongs in the current season with her early game cheesiness, reliable engage, mobility, and overall scrappiness. Really undervalued off-meta support pick imo
I played Mel support yesterday on ranked and my MF adc didn't get a single kill during laning phase, because I kept forgetting about the execute 😭
Did Vanguard do that when it thinks someone is scripting?
I've never seen this message before -- usually if Vanguard detects a scripter in a live game it just ends the game for everyone.
@@i0kiVids That was weird.
If they intended Mel to be a support as her secondary role… why did they give her an execute? Kinda makes her a kill stealer or removes her passive
The vanguard thing happens sometimes, the other day the game suddenly stopped as "vanguard is updating" or something like emergency update and closed and since it was the last game of the night I didn't mind and just shut down the pc thinking if it's importantly updating it was for everyone, but no, next day I boot up the game and I had a penalization for AFK on that match
Did you give up on streams? Only posting on yt now 😢
Yeah I miss streams
Does Mel's e only reflects abalities? What about for example Draven's axes?
Mel was a very dominant Support! Definitely worth taking! I still think her mid is better for the level advantage and her execute on clearing is less valuable as a support.
would a blackfire be good with its extra burn and haste?
I'm honestly fine with her W, IO think it shouldn't be changed, her executes and her damage is completely broken.
The thing is that her execute+damage can EASILY be tuned with numbers, but you can't nerf what her W does. You can give it a higher cooldown or make it do less damage etc, but you can never take back the fact that you can reflect any projectile ability. It's inherently permanently broken by design
@@i0kiVids the problem with her W, is that if the player doesn't know what all the enemy abilities do, and if they can be W'd, I feel like it will work against lower level Mels.
You can counter Nunu so hard with Mel. When he runs at you, you root hin with E which makes him lose the ball, which you then can reflect with your W. That way an AP Nunu basicaly oneshots himself and he is also CC'ed the whole time.
At 8:33 you got hit by the lux q and then still reflected it at her... that seems unfair, you already got hit/were to slow to react so why can you still reflect it after the hit (i am aware that it seems to be possible with Lux Q because it travels on and can hit a second target, similar Neeko E could be reflected after you already got hit but it seems unfair and shouldn't be part of this op ability)
windwalls kinda do that too, especially with lux e being deleted even after its on the ground
It would be interesting to see a Lillia Mel combo (like on ioki and Heiz maybe) because both ults are based on landing basic abilities first
As a lux main her W isn’t THAT bad, when throwing Q keep moving so when she pops W it doesn’t hit you. Which shouldn’t be hard since that sort of has to be done with other mages who have roots or hooks! Still Mel is an extremely strong champion
That's what I was thinking. She just needs a bit more adjustment stats wise and she's just another counter-pick support in the same way Morgana is
counter- tirs? alistar?
It's not just projectiles, it rebounds Rengar pounce as well.
Two i0ki videos in one day???? You're spoiling us!
Is there even a way to counter her right now? I’ve tried multiple legends in mid lane and nothing has worked very well
The hardest game i had with her were against fighters/assassins, like Akali, Yasuo, Yone ect. They easily dodge your q and your w is useless because they don't really have projectiles. Veigar and Viktor are good against her too. In botlane her biggest counters are healers. I destroyed a Mel by simply playing Soraka and spamming my w on the adc lmao, they can't execute
Vladimir, or anyone with insane healing/regen. Mel has high mana costs and high cooldowns. It's not possible to kill them alone as Mel. Like, at all. Good ol' Galio is always there, too. Also, anyone who can dive on her multiple times (getting on her even after she uses her W). Any tank. Etc etc. People are whining so much. She has plenty of counterplay.
Support Mel is gonna be a whole problem
I really wanted to see you try rylai Mel😢
Reflecting Blitz hook pulls blitz right to you, so it's not that effective unless you're doing it under your own tower. I love both her skins, they're start of and end of Arcane Mel.
What is the interaction of reflecting Sylas R?, do you then steal Sylas ult? xD
It's amusing to see that a single champion can do more 'poke' than a Lux and Caitlyn in bot lane. It's just incredible how insane this champion is. As someone who likes playing Swain, she has destroyed my champion in the lane phase so many times.
I play wild rift, and im a senna main. But im gonna be all over mel when she comes
Does Riot actually test their new champs? Every single one is super OP on release lately
Vaynes attack range was nerfed at one point cuz how op she was, could be the same for mel
I'd love to see a Mel only rank climb for sure mr. i0ki!
Bro I called it since the reveal Karma Mel botlane gonna terrorize people
Is the reflection with the same damage as the enemy champ at that time or does it still depend on your ap or ad?
Depends on ability level and ap
at max level it does 70% reflected and maybe an ap ratio
yes.
(both, it can easily do more than the original damage with enough AP)
@@niwohNo.
Im not following that hype train. She is meh when you're not ahead after the nerfs. Was even a bit ahead on a game and couldn't kill an adc in one full combo. She has crazy good matchups and super bad ones. Especialy those where your W is useless. Yes it is crazy good against lux cuz you can walk up to her and she cannot do anything. But when you play against a sylas for example it is worthless. Also horrible when a hecarim just runs you down and you cannot do anything
people cannot complain about morgana anymore
If passive executes minions does it also execute jungle creeps?
Yes
Jungle Mel incoming 👀
13:52 instead of walking up to auto cass for the execute and subsequently dying to tower, why not just use ult?
Do a ranked climb please. So far I've killed Caitllyn with her own ulti and stunned a Vayne with her own condemn.
MEL RANK CLIMB BEFORE SHE GETS NERFED PLSSS
It may not be an optimal Mel build BUT could we see an apc Mel. Nasher, rage blade, runans, lucidity boots for q spam.
Yes feel the pain of vanguard deciding to randomly die for no reason at all
They gonma change her reflect into her ult and give her a basic shield for w
"ban mel idiots" 🤣
I got the vanguard message this weekend too and it booted me out :( so lame
this is ashe support
feels like it's the passive that makes her too good at pushing/ending fights
Sir you need to have vanguard running smh
I’ve been a senna for a long time and finally i got a champ i enjoy as support.
Is malphite R a projectile?
no
W needs to be her Ultimate, would still be OP. Make her W like a Kalista rend (essentially a nerfed version of her ult). Lower range of her Q by 100 range. Champ fixed
She was my adc, and I was a lux support and we stomp bot lane
Poppy midlane when 🙏
pls do a ranked climb whit mel support
would AS Mel be fun? poking to death with passive even faster
Man this could be your new main
We want a bronze to challenger with Mel support 🥰
Wait she’s a support? I thought she was a burst mage
It's kind of a bummer that she's such a meme. I loved Arcane and enjoyed her character, and I was excited to main her for a while. Now it kind of feels disingenuous.
Mel should have been the character that turned into a literal god in the show
HERE IT IS!
The fact that Q lowers the cooldown on arcane comet is the biggest oversight ever by riot, that is utterly disgusting, HOW did that make it past pbe it's literally impossible to miss the ability it's free poke in every lane it's almost as bad as the W honestly, which blocks every ability in the game - Kayle ult on a 20second cd? That's not even with the reflection
you only enjoy Mel when you're the one playing her - when on receiving end it's hell haha
Vanguards karma incoming ❤🎉
18:18 yeah, instead blitz hooking you you're hooking him which is also not the best scenario lol. Naut and Blitz are actually good against Mel support
Why run engage support when mel can say f you and engage you back with your own spell
Lunar Revel? No, it's a Vanguard event!
I dont get how people say she is weak other youtubers think she is weak then goes 10/2 or something
riot have being doing it for years, releasing broken champs to make people buy them and their skins and after 1month just huge nerfs. i mean look at "rengar" that champion is nothing like what he was when he was introduced.
wow, Vanguard is soooo good ....
5:20 The execution speed of the q skill is very high and its clarity is zero. So you can escape from a Soraka q offer, you will see the lux q offer coming, you can even react to the veigar ultimate more easily. Instead of nerfing, it is necessary to design a logical character
Hey man, I've been trying Thresh supp with mixed results. Hope there might be someone gameplay from tge best.
p.s. I always ban mel in my games coz f her
What I'm really curious about is why her wr is so bad, esp in support. At present tho, she seems like a better lux, with all the same problems and benefits
That lux deserved way worse than what she got, playing that brainrot along with caitlyn and getting tilted. "Get a life" like she said.
Build Bloodletters
Excuse me what? Did Mel just execute that baron at above smite range? 28:10
What the fuck.
Swain support please
not the vanguard
Proof that ioki cheats. Finally, caught in the act!
they finally got me
This season is broken and has just been balanced after half of the first episode. Now this 💩, riot is garbage.
I feel like the best way to keep Mel's W and have it not be Crazy OP is for it to only automatically hit targeted abilities. It could be that skillshots are still reflected, but in order to hit an enemy, you have to reflect it at the right angle and then there is also some counterplay. Kinda like how your reflected the snowball but Nunu didn't get hit.
Is it safe to say Mel is an upgraded version of Lux?
imagine xerath and mel bot :0
Vel koz eats her haha
Don't worry we will put vanguard on your pc that *might* break it and it won't stop scripters (:
riot really cant release a good champ can they
i want to see mel removed from the game, she's the garen of mages: no braincell needed, plays itself and has no counter play
Vanguarded 🤣
8:00 Nah dude you're getting farmed for content. Say hi to UA-cam!
a little biased at end there Ioki, claiming you have 47k then say that closest one was 25.4, you had 46.4, not 47, be consistent man
nothing broken to see here... poeple need to adapt to a new class.
As cool as she is, I really do not like her ult it makes the game too easy
typical Ioki flexing in low elo for his fanbase and when it comes to above diamond games he has 30% winrate.