Film Study: So... Is Justin Herbert good or overrated?
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- NFLPA Ranked Chargers organization 30 of 32
- Career defense averages giving up 26 points per game
- 28th ranked supporting cast since joining the league
- Bottom 30 rushing attack
Herbert
Top 3 all-time leader at QB first 3 seasons
I still have Herbert over burrow, I cant believe people
dont still talk about that as much
Its not even a question joe so overrated 😂
Are you insane? Herbert is not better than Burrow 😂😂
@@joshuahodge8804 better arm strength
@@joshuahodge8804you don’t know ball
@@joshuahodge8804 Yes he is.. Check the stats, record books, film?.. Hell you can check their head to head matchup.. Herbert Is bigger faster stronger, better IQ
Herbert does more with lesser than any other QB in the league. He has a bad OL, no TE, only Keenan Allen at WR. Keenan Allen is a good possession receiver, but he is one of the slowest WRs in the league who doesn't get much separation. Give him a couple of top WRs and a decent tight end as well as protection from the OL and he leads the league in every passing category. Interesting to see how he does with some younger, faster receivers, a better OL and a legitimate running game.
Dude he was terrible last year 😂
@@blakecallahan1134 Statistically he wasn't bad. If you are referring to late game picks he threw, yeah, at the end of the game the QB needs to make things happen and when his OL can't block anyone and his receivers can't get open picks happen. I don't see your claim of "he was terrible last year" as valid.
I understand the argument of the video, Herbert needs to do more with more. He did a lot with less. But QBing is complex. It's not so simple you can just say he would do as well as those guys who have more, it's no so simple to project production in a linear fashion. It's easier to wait until he has the same and does the same.
Kind of like stafford with the lions
If you get the chance to go back and watch the chargers packers game last year i highly recommend it. To me, that is the prime example of the team letting herbert down. Herbert used his legs, extended plays, threw dimes and was rewarded with drive killing drops, run game fumbles and a generationally bad game by his defense.
This dude had never had a defense ranked higher than 26th. Numerous drops from receivers. No protection with defenders running right at him with no blockers even touching them. extreme amount of injuries on his teams. And lets not forget, he had the stupidest coach in modern football history. Not many quarterbacks could as many wins as Herbet did with the situation hes been in.
To go along with that, he’s never had a run game to support him either
Hair looking fresh
The stretch of games between his finger on his left hand healing, and his finger on his right hand breaking, he absolutely showed his ability to be mobile. Lions, Packers, Patriots, Ravens. He was elite in those games in general, and that was probably the best stretch of playmaking and mobility I’ve ever seen from him
For context the Pats game was played in a downpour the entire game
Yah the Pats game was an extra eye opener for me (a Charger fan). The run game was so bad, the Chargers still had to throw the ball in a weather situation that should have minimized throwing. If Ezekial Elliot on the Pats had not gotten injured mid game (making Pats rely on throwing too), I am not certain Chargers would have won. Elliot was already running all over the Chargers defense.
He's just flat out good. Pure talent and ability no one is better. Now that the chargers have the HC in place people or going to have to admit it because he's gonna have the "wins" they used against him cuz they had no argument
Herbert is by far the best qb in the league.. it’s not even close
Mahomes is the product of Andy Reid .. look at what Andy Reid did with the KC backup qb .. 300 yards games… Josh Allen is too reckless with the ball .. Lamar is a running back .. Dak is Dak and Burrow is always injured with a weak arm
It’s fair to say Herbert struggles to win games, however, QB play is only 50% of the game. Herbert plays on a team that suffered from horrible defenses that struggled to keep teams outta the end zone. Compare his stats to your top 4 and then compare their defenses. It’s night and day. There is no argument here. The fact that Herbert can be voted 32 of 100 by his peers in a year he missed 4 games shows he’s top5 material. If Harbaugh can match Herbert’s production with a minimum 15th ranked defense, the chargers are playoff bound and possibly AFC champs.
Most polarizing QB in the league. Defense has been a joke his whole career. If he plays exactly the same as he has his been and the team starts winning because they can actually hold onto a lead, suddenly people are going to give him credit because the team wins.
He threw 5000 yards a few seasons ago he can't be that bad
he also was catching snaps with a broken finger but i guess context doesn’t matter
Herbert had better stats and a 28th rabked defense since he entered the league
The only pre snap motion used was a fucking rb bubble. Top offensives like the rams and niners are using pre snap motions with every play. Staley was shit
Staley had nothing to do offensively, that was likely a Kellen Moore issue, which Dallas has improved offensively and schematically after his departure as well. So it seems like he’s capable of a decent, not great, offense
I agree, watching their offense was like watching a game from 2004.
The chargers are my team and Herbert is a star
The perfect throws. Look at the Packers game. Drop Tuddies. Tight windows but WR’s stone hands. I would like to see the defense getting beat in winnable games rather dissecting Herbert’s bashing/unbashing.
Herbert has all the tools to be one of the best and competitive QB's in the league. Through a series of unfortunate situations with coaching, personnel and injuries I don't think we've seen Herbert or the Chargers offense clicking on all cylinders. I expect that to change under the new coach as Harbaugh won't put Herbert in a situation to play hero ball all game long.
Great qbs don't look like he did in the playoff game
Greats don't go out like that
Wym Herbo doesn’t have the box score stuff?
Right besides Mahomes he had put up a 5k yard season. In 2022 he had the second most passing yards as well.
So you filmed studied Herbert on the Pats game? In pouring weather and Chargers had one of the worst run games.
Most passing heavy QBs do not have great rainy weather games. Even Mahomes in the super cold playoff game last was not his best performance at 56% and 1 TD. The Chiefs got a lot of YAC with Kelce and great rushing yards with Rice. That drove the offense when throwing in 0 degrees is not the best weapon. Tua and Pat's stats are not that far off for that game. Only 60 yards and completed 3 passes. The score looks very different. The score difference is the run game and YAC.
The ultimate stat we should use is the W/L record. That said, Herbert is undefeated against both Burrow and Allen... 3-0. Not including the win in college when Herbert destroyed Allen, hanging half a hundred on Wyoming with Allen non-existent. Yes, this is sarcasm for all you geniuses who haven't realized that yet. Using that same dumb ass W/L reasoning, Dan Marino CLEARLY is overrated, and shouldn't be anywhere near the top 20 QBs of all time. Why? No Superbowl wins. But Trend Dilfer won a Superbowl... which clearly shows that he was much better than Marino.
Horrible o line, horrible running game, horrible coaching too. Hopefully Harbaugh changes all that
As the president of Tuanon I actually don't hate Herbert but he definitely is overrated. He has spectacular plays but he misses layups and frankly he has a major problem processing plays to his left side. The whole "top 5" QB thing is overplayed with him because he simply just isn't that. All the passing yard records and that is hogwash to me because nobody is throwing the ball more than he is anyway. I don't think Jim just comes in and fixes things tbh because a lot of the issues is with Herbert as a QB mentally. Kid is very smart but football wise he doesn't process things quickly enough and his anticipatory skills are lacking. He's very mobile though, whether in the pocket or out of it and his arm kinda makes up for any anticipatory skills he lacks.
I'm a huge Herbert defender and I got to say... his records came in a year people playerd 17 games. He had one more game to make those historical stats.
@@LightiningHobo Nah tbf when he came on the league and broke the rookie stats it was a 16 game season. It changed to a 17 game season in his 2nd year.
@@LightiningHobo you cant sit here and seriously say "I'm a huge Herbert defender" and then claim he played 17 games his rookie season so he had more time to break records, he played in 15 games and wasn't even expecting to start in his debut game vs the chiefs but was thrown into it because Tyrod Taylor got his lung punctured, just so you know since you clearly didn't watch the games or even follow the team and claim to be a "Herbert Defender" this is why no one thinks the chargers have fans smfh. He played the same amount of games as Stroud his rookie season and had more yards, TDs, and a higher QBR just an FYI for you Mr "Herbert Defender".
@@LightiningHoboyou’re no Herbert defender, you’re a fraud lmao
He has the tools. Needs to play with more anticipation
Herbert’s issue is because he played for the chargers, now that he has a serious coach he’s he’s great
NFL network did a video recently talking about how the elite QBs had elite defenses. And herbert's defense average at 28th in the league. Not to mention his run game or his pass protection. I think the most comparable case is Joe Burrow (14th defense according to the video). While the Chargers has been a really bad organization, the Bengals has been a really mediocre one. I expect the chargers to disappoint this year as much as the average Bengals season.
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The box score stats weren’t good last because bc he was injured. Healed in late February
His stats Were still good last year.. HE was on pace for 30 TDs and only 8 picks...lol.. Herbert was Herbert as usual. Great throws, reads, decisions..all that. It was just harder to have success with poor OL play Coaching and injuries.
Lol he is better than Lamar and can make a case for mahomes but ppl don’t watch the game lol
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I think this is the year he has to prove it. And it could be iffy if they don't pick up an elite receiver, but I don't think at this point that is going to continue to be a viable excuse. I do think his team has let him down more often than not though. From watching a lot of Charger games I think one of his biggest problems is that he has a limited ability to put touch on the ball in intermediate routes the way that like Burrow does.
cuts looking good
Way better than tua .
High ceiling, low results so far
Brandon Staley had nothing to do with him throwing interceptions to end to the game 3 weeks straight
That's actually not true, when your defensive head coach is giving up 30 points a game every week and you expect your QB to go out and win the game for you time and time again, its going to happen. Most of those games he had them in a winning position, the defense gave up a TD with like 2 minutes or less left and then they expected him to go out and do everything when they had 0 run game so the defense would rush 3 (and the guards still had trouble covering the interior which is why he threw 2 of those ints) and have everyone else drop back. Brandon Staley was the problem, Herberts record is 20-5 when his defense gives up less that 28 points, the problem was Staleys defense would give up 30 plus almost every week.
He top 4
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This is the worst take ive ever seen on herbert
Herbert is 30-32 as a starter. Lamar Jackson is 58-19 as a starting QB. Theres zero percent chance Lamar could have Herbert’s record and be rated at all in the top 20 as a starting QB. I doubt if he’d even be starting right now.
So is Herbert good? Well if you imagine Lamar Jackson had that record of losing as a starting nfl QB would you think Lamar was good? If you are honest, you’d admit Lamar wouldn’t be consider a good QB if he had the exact same record as Herbert. So based on his wins and loses as starting QB, herbert is mediocre.
The only way your input makes any sense is if Justin and Lamar were somehow able to swap teams. Lamar and Justin are both good quarterbacks but only one of them has had a good team.
What a horrible logic to use. Win and losses are a team stat. This video obviously went over your head
One of the most overrated QBs in the league
Herbert is really damn good, but he’s a white kid from a rich family who doesn’t get into trouble or controversy so certain groups of people will never like him as he appears to be “privileged”
Rich family?
@@garyroberts2563 this guy is most likely poor. He thinks middle class white people are rich lol
It more than him not having the hardware in terms of weapons. He is perennially inconsistent from college to pros. Too many easy layups in terms of throws, he misses, over throw or under throw. He often struggles negotiating coverage. He suffers from information overload. He has to be managed.
They don’t want to acknowledge that, they just make excuses like he’s great because they THINK of him as great.
I do agree but to ignore that he has not had a consistent playbook is criminal. Literally has had a new offense almost every year even since college
@@georgelopez7357 so has Jalen Hurts…but they don’t make no excuses for him
@@757CitiesReppa that’s not true lmao. But you do you
@@georgelopez7357 yeah it is
This is pure bullcrap…if he’s so great, he’s supposed to make those throws. If that was another qb there wouldn’t be these type of excuses. I call bullsht
We saw he made some jaw dropping throws in the first two years of his career. He is capable, just being sabotage constantly and I said that as a Chiefs fan. He deserves a great, offensive coach even if this means the wins for my team gets tougher. I believe he would be fun to watch under Harbaugh.
Those other QBs get their throws and numbers is because of great play calling getting their receivers open. The video obviously went over your head. Look how open Mahomes players are. Andy Reid draws great plays and also have dump off plays as a safety net
@@whizkid00000 nah it went over your head…this video shows, according what the op said out his own mouth, there are several easy throws he should complete that he just doesn’t. All I hear are excuses because certain people WANT to make excuses for certain people and not for others. They don’t even make half of these excuses for Hurts and the coaches/coordinators he’s had to deal with.
Over rated
He is supremely overrated
@RATEDRSportsDebates I'm a Raiders fan and have forgotten more football that you will ever know trust that. Herbert is not a leader and can't be trusted to get it done. He is not even on Phillip Rivers level yet has all the tools that he didn't have
Philip Rivers is going to the hall. What are you trying to say? Herbert is a very good QB and we will see a bounce back year from him this season
Who was the Raiders last Elite QB?👀
@@opticstem5496 if Herbert is elite then Derek Carr was. That's how foolish you sound
@@watso014 Herbert is supposed to this transcend talent moreso than Rivers yet he's nowhere near that because he lacks the intangibles.
Can’t wait for Herbert to be a ram after Stafford retires after winning his second ring
Where do you get your weed man?
@@earlmcmanus194 he gonna be Philip rivers 2.0 if he stays
@@BlankZombie if he stays with Jim Harbaugh?
@@JuanStJohn he won’t. He’d wanna be with the superior LA head coach
It really sucks cuz there are people who think Herbert is bad but it's no his fault. Under Staley, he just couldn't progress enough. I don't think he's bad, he's not some star QB either but he's capable. But with Jim Harbaugh running things now, Herbert should do better now. Course, that remains to be seen
Great quarterbacks with great rosters overcome… he has yet to do so.
Pretty simple
@@reesbritton6623 How can you say he has a great roster when he's never had a defense rank better than like 24th, 0 run game, and shitty HCs? lmao make it make sense, you're just hating bro 😂
@@MBDR99I swear bro these guys just hate blindly