How Dracula had generals of different sections, it does seem way more possible that way. But just those 4? It would be more trouble than its worth and Im sure some of the vampires would just get bored and want a normal life.
@@hidan407 And those people were just the highest ranking generals we see at Dracula's castle. We see how Cho has her own forces back in Japan, that Carmilla had her sisters and her men at arms, there were more vampires working for Dracula such as "Varney" and Ratko, Dragan's forces, etc.
@@hidan407 And even with Dracula's plan, he didn't want world domination. He wanted world extinction which is, unsurprisingly, much easier logistically then subjugation.
@@Genzafel Dude, the Nazi's were kicking the shit out of Europe. Things went south because Hitler got too over confident, and tried to tackle everybody at the same time.
These two are pretty much the only semi-competent vampires in this series that seemed to understand that humans aren't going away, and if you keep enough of them in captivity to feed you, you will always be dealing with rebellions
The seem to grasp that better than most vampires, who think humans should just accept that they are "livestock" and get upset when humans instead fight back. Morana and Striga realize that humans will fight to the end for their freedom and lives, and that will make them impossible to control and their war neverending.
@@GeneralKenobi75 pffft u have to be joking "Never-ending" far from it. In just a few generations theyll get overthrown by a very angry and very strong human.
@@ampocalypsew3883 because vampires are the spawns of darkness and hell? because they are seen as evils by humans? because humans will fear God will not like it? because vampires despised humans? Because once the humans learns all the knowledges of the vampires, why would they continues to donate blood? Also many humans fear science and from the bloodshed the court of Dracula commited on that village, they seems to need way more than a a few mouthfuls of blood
@@efaristi9737 not all of them tho look at the forgemasters and other smart humans, like Hector said ppl can admit to change. And those who cannot...well they will die due to Diseases and their own stupidity
These two are the only two Vampires who make it out on because they learn a lesson the other vampires don't. Never extend your grasp to what is beyond your reach.
Yeah, they didn't even make an attempt on saving their people. It proves their ultimate selfishness and that they never could have kept there empire together, even if they really wanted to.
@@alaljarensi6990 had they headed in, it would have been suicide. By the time they got there, Carmila already died, and Issac had won. You’re telling me leading themselves and the rest of their troops into a pact suicide is dedication? I think that’s just being stupid.
@@hellenwen154 true. They were right that they could've continued fighting Forever, but they would've had to pay the cost themselves (the cost being their relationship, and freedom from the war). And as we later learned, carmilla expecting them to just follow orders would've gotten them killed, since her plan was already doomed to fail because her and Lenore couldn't conceive the possibility of being betrayed or outsmarted.
@@alaljarensi6990 They also realise the pointlessness and cruelty of it all. Instead of heading with all the troupes in to get killed for something that wasn't even their plan, they flee where they can make more vampires if they so choose or just live like happily together.
It also shows the point of views that not all vampires want war, a lot of them rather want to live a quiet life without being disbursed by blood shed. We can already see that both of them are tired of wars and fighting when it leads them no where but more pain and suffering. As one of them said, humans are not like cow or pigs, they will fight back
@@Elly3981 I don't think that's quite right. Carmilla is more than willing to do the work, but she couldn't do it alone, and her sisters did not share her goals.
@@edmondchan3426 I think its more accurate to say Carmilla doesn't really want to do the kind of work Striga does, going out into the field and actually fighting hard and tiring battles one after another to make her dream a reality.
So... Striga is the dad who goes out to work in the fields, Morana is the mom who handles domestic chores, Lenore is the little daughter who plays with her pet all day, and Carmilla is the senile narcissistic grandma who thinks she's the next best thing after sliced bread...
Lenore *has* a role to play. She's the diplomatic one. When warfare fails, tactics go wrong, you try the diplomatic way. Or, even better, you try diplomacy first. However, in Carmilla's grand master plan, diplomacy was never a factor. Carmilla thought herself strong enough, ambitious enough, to get whatever she wanted by sheer force alone.
I think you mean UNTIL someone kills her. Striga is just another vampire. Sure she's strong a good warrior but so were Dracula's generals and Trevor's group wiped them out easily.
@@Damodred_Heiress Wrong, humanity learns and adapts. We see that here with the humans taking advantage of the Vampire's weakness to sunlight by attacking them during the day and it's only thanks to Striga's armor she survives but sooner or later she'll slip up.
Turns out, only 4 vampire ladies CAN'T run a whole empire when one is only good at barking orders, another's skills with diplomacy aren't exactly useful when your "subjects" are also (only) your livestock, another one IS a great warrior and general but she can't be everywhere at once and the last one is stuck trying to keep this sinking ship floating
Being in the army has really shown me how important logistics are. There is a saying that goes somewhat along "if logistics dont move, the army wont move." You can be a trained warrior but if your supply lines dont move, you're screwed.
@@floricel_112 wasn't Lenore also the one who negotiated with neighbouring vampire conclaves and human Cities? The other three thought of her skills as useless in war as she was doing the talk and not the logistics nor the war leading. Stygias downfall was Carmillas megalomania
Lenore spent all of S4 complaining about overreach and the dangers of insatiable power. This means that she understood that reaching for too much makes you vulnerable. @@astrisperspecto4130 She can do some of it since she's handling Morana's workload when Morana's in the field. It's a bit strange when you think about it because you always require diplomacy. Even countries that are hostile or on that precipice require diplomacy.
Dracula: Extremely powerful vampire Striga: Extremely powerful vampire Dracula: Gets tired of fighting, goes and lives isolated in a castle with his wife. Striga: Gets tired of fighting, goes and lives isolated in a castle with her wife. Dracula: Declares War on the human world after they kill his wife. Striga: "I hear there's a spinoff after season 4, wonder what the conflict could be 🤔"
@@basicsimp8798 some people might think that carmilla is stronger since she was tearing through nightcreatures like paper, while striga did the same but with peasants while being quickly exhausted and getting help from her soldiers, yet striga is carrying a big f*** off greatsword, wears heavy armor during daylight which despite not killing her, probably still weakens her to some extend. Ye if we ever see her again it‘s gonna be a massacre, guts 100 soldiers lvl massacre.
For one thing since Dracula is slain human's confidence to fight vampires has increase, with news of victories against them spread, they could pull off a story about being on the run against new vampire slayers.
@@Megatronx843 well of course, dracula has always been the top dog and always will be. What we have seen so far in the show isn‘t near what his real strength is. He was holding back alot was weakened and basically just wanted to die, but in comparison to other vampires not including dracula, striga may be up there among the strongest since in matters of just pure bulk and strength she‘s maybe the best there is.
One of my favorite parts of this season was a bunch of respectable villians discuss the awful logistics of taking over and maintaining control the whole world. like, "like the whole thing? Who would need any of that? "
And the fact that while the vampires are indeed more powerful, they simply can't win against the humans in one resource and that is numbers in total warfare.
Finally the villains understand that keeping highly adaptable, very intelligent, EXTREMELY curious persistence-hunter primates in captivity is a nightmare.
Add the fact that they can just keep Fucking their shit up during daylight all day every day, while only one of them has armour than can keep her safe (Until someone gets a lucky crack at that armour) and they now only have half the time to keep them contained.
Wish it included the bit where Striga realises they weren't fighting soldiers, they were fighting random peasants, and they'd have to keep on fighting peasants forever in open lands with no cover from the sun.
My favourite part was when she said they were afraid, not of dying, but having not fought at all. Exactly what Trevor said. Their work would have led to more families like the Belmonts appearing
@@StormKidProductions Exactly. The Belmonts were famous and respected when vampires were a menace, but during a long peace they became regarded as occultist weirdos. A vampire empire taking over several kingdoms would provoke kings into financing their own vampire hunting families.
To be clear, i don't think humans could just grow to be on the level of Belmonts, as the Belmonts aren't just strong people they're superhuman vampire hunting freaks (affectionate) which if i recall was the main reason they were excommunicated. Hell, in the games, there was i believe a 300 year period where the Belmonts disappeared from the public, and there were vampire hunters who rose up to pick up the slack, and while they were barely able to handle the forces of darkness, they were clearly not as strong as the Belmonts. There was the Morris clan who were distantly related to the Belmonts but less powerful and i believe didn't use magic. And there was the Order of Ecclesia, a cult who had the public perception of being anti-Dracula but were actually Dracula worshippers who accidentally created a Dracula killer in Shanoa, because the Order of Ecclesia is a fucking imbecilic group who has no idea how to run a successful cult.
Look, they might not be the best people with the best ethics but they do have a healthy relationship and a realistic view of the world and themselves and I love them for that. Nothing but respect for our two functional queens.
@@alaljarensi6990 Yes, But they lived as _Vampires_ They are most likely the _Last_ generation of *Vampires* left. Considering the purge that's going on (e.g *The Castlevania Trio*)
@@alaljarensi6990 They didn't really abandon anyone. Isaac had already wiped out pretty much the entire population of Castle Styria, and had also killed Carmilla. There was no reason to try and reinforce a fallen fortress, so they allowed their men to leave on their own, and left with each other.
Castlevania writers be like: Wanna watch us create a couple with enough romantic chemistry to power a city? Wanna watch us do it again? And again? And again, but this time its kinky? And again? And for the hell of it, one more time before the series ends?
instead of doing this shit they could have actually made good use of saint germain's character and not make him a complete simp asshole if he had been a complete manipulator who only cares for himself it would've been much better and interesting
“Don’t talk down to me because I am not a soldier” “Don’t condescend to me because I am a soldier” These are really good lines that show what the back and frontline deal with in wars
This is why Lenore should have been a bigger part of Carmilla’s plan. You don’t have to worry as much about maintaining the borders of your empire, if you can negotiate a good deal with your enemies, or get some allies to do it for you.
How tf do you negotiate with people about allowing themselves to become livestock? What are you even supposed to tell them? What would they even have to gain from such a deal?
@@floricel_112 the humans can give a portion of their blood without dying, in return the vampires will give them something like food or money and security from the other vampires and night creatures
@@Jarock316 I don't know... that actually sounds like a pretty reasonable trade-off. They probably wouldn't even need to give up more than a pint total per month per person and since vampires can feed on the blood of pretty much any living creature they could also harvest it from livestock. Human blood would become a valuable commodity. If they treated people well and actually protected them from monsters the arrangement could probably last for a few decades.
@@floricel_112 if humans are given reasonable blood quota like a cup of blood from every full grown person per week to fill cold canister the Vampire can pay them, protect them from bandits or invaders(which can add to blood canisters) and if they past the quota can provide more wealth and resources to them.
This scene just goes to show the most important lesson any conqueror can learn: Creating an empire is always much easier than maintaining it. Simply put, some people don't have what it takes to do both, and Morana and Striga are proof positive of that.
@@blackatom4957 Yeah, if you look a few centuries back you can see the same problem with Spain too, and this is coming from a Spanish xDDDDD I'm not a historian but from what I know of history, the bigger an empire gets, the closer it is to its downfall. It's like there's a critical point in territorial surface maybe??? You go beyond that critical point and it becomes imposible to keep it together and it just... starts to fall in pieces, I find it quite interesting because for centuries it has happened to so many different civilizations.
@@SanaePrime It is in large part a question of how quickly you can hear about and respond to an emergency. If it takes you two months to hear about an invasion/famine/etc in your lands, and another two months to do anything about it, then you are acting far too late to be of use to that area. Instead, you would then need regional leaders to take care of all of that, but the more the regional leaders need to take care of for you, the less they need _you,_ and they might just decide to stop sending taxes your way.
You know what I really like about the voice acting? It sounds so realistic and natural. So much voice acting in anime and cartoons sound forced and over theatrical, but this sounds like just regular conversation.
And it's a minor thing but I do love how the actress who voices Striga isn't putting up an accent- Well, she is but she is actually Croatian and the European accent is a cadence that comes naturally to her. It's nice, I like it. 👍
Anime is a bit of an unfortunate case due to dubbing, and trying to make the delivery work with the lip movements. Most Japanese animation doesn’t even sync to the original voice actors either; they animate *before* getting the voice lines
@@praiseit4805 Pretty sure they aren't even talking about the dubbing. Japanese voice acting, while full of effort, is so over the top that you wonder if those people still have throats
I like how the scene that preceded the last one in this video was Striga's camp being almost decimated by farmers who were smart enough to figure out that the best way to deal with them was to attack during the day. Not only did this take her by surprise but it showed her the true nature of what she signed up for. This actually shook her. It's just a incredibly well written scene.
It was a battle that was won handily and brutally. But a battle won is still a battle fought. And fighting sucks. Not statistically a coinflip, but still, you keep flipping that coin one day it will come up tails. Better to not have to flip it, or limit how often you do.
@@DeviantEdspearand like she said they will keep coming, one day a random farmer is gonna get lucky with a pitchfork or arrow and the next thing she knows boom dust on the battlefield, in war tactics, strategy, skill are equally important however Luck will always always have a hand in it and that's something no vampire no matter how strong can even control
The issue with Camilla's plan is that she depended on humans remaining fearful and ignorant against vampires and night creatures. You have to remember the Belmonts were the only ones fighting their kind and it was implied that they were all dead, since Trevor was under the radar. Now in Season 1, during the final village battle before Alucard was found. Trevor had taken lead and told villagers not only how to fight but he also told them to 'spread the word'. This is apparent in Season 3 when the Judge was explaining things against the night creature battle flashback. His soldiers knew about salted blades, while adding dung to them. Also in that same season Dracula's death is also known and being talked about among people. So the most powerful vampire is dead and people now know how to fight them and other creatures. In fact both of them were impressed when that arrow cut through letting sunlight in which burned Striga! So at that point not only they realized they will be fighting forever but humans were getting smarter on HOW and WHEN to. Another thing that led to more people uprising against them was that not only Dracula was dead, but also the top hierarchy! Godbrand, Cho etc. Camilla was the only one left alive.
And it's only gonna become more peerless for Vampires as time passes. Trevor and Slypha's child will be able to use both magic and Trevor's fighting abilities, likely being more dangerous than either of them were, plus Trevor and Slypha have a whole village with access to Dracula's and the Belmont's library of monster slaying books, weapons and techniques, with Trevor, Slypha and Alucard there to teach them, effectively creating an army of monster hunters of similar skills and abilities. Pretty soon, Vampires will be the ones terrified as more and more humans become powerful enough to fight back.
Yeah. We forget that just like basic animals in the wild. Humans evolve. Even if 70% of them die out, 30% of the ones left figure out how to survive and multiply from there. These vampires are immortal and would have to keep dealing with those growing advances for generations to come if they continued this plan
@@akachiokafor8739 And right now they have it easy. This is a period where humans don't even have guns yet and Science is considered witchcraft. Humanity evolves rapidly, especially in the fact of adversity. Pretty soon Vampires will have to run and hide if they wanna survive.
And with Alucard and Greta building a village with both Castle Tepes, and the Belmont residence exists side by side, it won't be long before many people learning to fight the night creatures. In fact, with the rising fame of Sypha, Adrian and Trevor, more people will come to learn about killing vampires.
Bravo! Easily, one of the most intimate, thought-provoking scenes of the entire series. Their dialogue simultaneously sheds light upon the horrific reality of unending nation-building warfare and the effect it would have on their personal relationship.
True! Not to mention how long the Stygia sisters would even last once Trevor Belmont, Sylphas and Alucard were present at the camps. Camilla sure didn’t account for that.
@@superheroprotagonist she counted on the night creatures. For what does 3 people do against an army. The main problem with her plan is that the full krux of it is laid on the shoulder and soldiers of 4 people. Dracula had many under his service from night creatures to other vampires. They made no attempt to rally more troops other then night creatures.
@@superheroprotagonist Hell she didn't even account of Isaac he was just just one Forgemaster with a vendetta. Imagine if she created her "nation" and how many other powerful figures would look at it with anger and jealousy. Conquering the entire world is insane.
@@alaljarensi6990 what are you talking about? Striga does care about her soldiers. She even defended them against an attack by humans during the daytime with her day armor.
“Or put another way, we make it work *despite* Carmilla” I love how Striga’s reaction shows us how close this comes to sounding like treason. This would have been the start of a very bad schism in the group if Carmilla and Lenore had survived.
I like how she uses "In the cold light of day" it almost sounds like an internal Idiom for vampires, which Hectos himself discussed with Lenore, vampires actually had poetry, a culture, despite their parasitic-power mongering tendencies. Which brings to mind Dracula's vast wealth of knowledge.
Scenes and dialogue like this is what makes this show so special. The awesome fight scenes help too lol, but these kinds of scenes always get me thinking so much. I really grew to like this couple. They had a lot of respect.for each other and listened to each other's arguments and worked out together that the endless strive for conquest wasn't something they truly wanted.
It's interesting how they show Morana and Striga's vampire perspective on conquest compared to humans. Since they're immortal they have to deal with the mess for the rest of their lives, which is basically forever unless they get killed. Meanwhile humans create empires partially to leave a legacy. For human's empires are how they stay immortal. For vampires it's just a pain in the ass, unless you're power hungry like Carmilla who would probably regret world domination if she successful.
I really liked these two's interactions. Yeah it feels a little out of nowhere that they're suddenly against Carmilla's plans, but I've seen first hand people agreeing on something being a good plan, only when they do it do they see the actual cons of following through with said plans, especially when they see more cons than pros. They're immortal vampires, Lenore herself said they like being comfortable and not changing. Constantly, fighting and constantly planning is something they don't want to do all the time.
Morana always thought it was a bad plan but Carmilla was able to convince her initially. I think Striga agreed that trying to maintain such a large territory was a huge task as well. But again carmilla was able to get them to go along with her plan at first. Then while they were out actually trying to establish their borders they end up at this scene and realize they would be fighting humans forever until they go insane. And the fact that the longer it goes on the further Striga has to venture away from their home turf and Morana wouldn't be able to see her. Damn I love the writing in this show!
They both had problems with the plan from the start but Carmilla was able to convince them, them being away allowed them fully realize how insane everything was.
@@thomasraines1396 Agreed. In Season 3 they're all constantly finding problems with the plan, but Carmilla has a magnetic charisma that inspires people to make the solution work. All three vampire sisters, when separated from Carmilla, reveal that they're actually uncomfortable with the plan.
@@thomasraines1396 Lenore mentioned before that this was not her first crazy scheme, and the other crazy schemes got them to where they are today so it's not too surprising that the other sisters went along with this crazy ambitious plan. The first meeting they had they talked about its lunacy but saw that it could possibly work. Carmilla has a good track record apparently.
I recently rewatched this episode and I just - am fucking floored at how Morana and Striga convey they're veteran commanding officers by dialogue alone. "Victory Condition", "Battle Theater", "Supply Lines" and just the overall strategic perspective they have with such a worn-down tone. There's nothing as stupid as a big prompt labeling Striga as "Force Commander" and Morana as "Master Strategist" or whatever. They know enough to label the stakes and they know when the cost is too high. Do you have any idea how insufferably rare it is for anything in fiction to express this level of tactical insight in a character? And that was a handful of sentences!
Honestly, scenes like these make me realize that Lenore, Morana, and Striga aren't really VILLAIN villains. I mean yeah, they want to cage up humans, but they make it clear it's really nothing personal and they are just trying to aid their fellow vampires. It's like Morana said, they have no real grudge on humans, they just need them for food, and even then they become horrified by the sheer cruelty Carmilla really plans for the whole race.
but you think that as carmilla she is very selfish and despotic she did not really consider them as sisters she only used them for her benefits as she did with hector and she thinks that wi carmilla would have conquered the world she would be carried away by selfishness and one or two another form would be desired from leonore, striga, morana, and hector and have the world to herself.
For Isaac, Hector, and Dracula it is personal. The vampires generally tend to view humans as livestock, but some of the vampire generals are more sadistic as per their raid on the human village in S2. Morana and Striga just view humans as pigs with boots, but like Dracula, understand that humans "think, and scheme, and betray." The vampire sisters seemed to be more upset about the scale. Lenore in her first convo in S4 seems to dislike the idea of war in general, or "killing most of the people, and caging the rest" and seems disgusted at the quip of humans as "self-replicating food" so she may have actually been horrified about it. This kind of makes sense since of the four she actually bonds with her human. Vampires are like humans. They can be all be cruel. The difference is that vampires by necessity need to kill for survival.
I think if you're part of a mechanism turning humans into livestock your intentions and grudges matter precisely dick; you're a monster incompatible with human existence and deserve to be hunted to extinction.
The classic imperial paradox. You use a powerful military to conquer an area. You gain more enemies necessitating the use of resources to enhance your military. But to get more resources you expand further to conquer more territory and more enemies. And on and on. Even if your domain crushes every other foe, you can’t anticipate the enemy within. Entropy has no allegiance or boundary. The conquests of the past are inevitably undone by the weakness of successive generations. Every empire in history has fought and failed to overcome this predicament. Props to a couple of immortal blood suckers realizing exactly what they were walking into and choosing to leave it behind.
Striga is basically this series' version of Guts, but genderbent, with a lot of elements of Artorias and Astrid Hofferson thrown in, and as a vampire with a heart.
not a heart, a brain. don't get it twisted, Striga and Morgana are as evil as they come, Striga would simply beat a prisoner to death for fun while Morgana would slowly torture them. it's just that they understand the truth behind war, it's tiring and wasteful.
@@cyberwolfy37 Well, you have a point, but I was refering to how she has some standards, which is what I meant, since she's morally-grey at best, and you know, in the moment where she watches the aftermath of the carnage she made in episode 25, she realizes how her victims were only acting in self-defense. At least, while she may be wicked as you have rightfully pointed out, the "heart" I was refering to was her standards, and as you've pointed clearly, a brain by making the wise choice of turning on Carmilla for her true intentions. If anything, she might be a bloodthirsty vampire, no doubt about that, but at least she isn't a heartless monster like Carmilla, who wanted to destroy the world for her own pleasure. No wonder even Dracula despised Carmilla.
God I hope the Spinoff centers around them 🤩 (honestly I think they started showing there humanity here because they realized how much suffering they would cause in this endeavor and how it would affect there demeanor and relationship as a whole) maybe it wasn’t completely altruistic but still
i could watch these two bickering about politics and making up FOREVER. Though the occasional scene of Striga kicking ass in daylight armor wouldn't hurt either
I can see them both live their lives in peace. Heck, I can see them make their own Vampire Community as Elders with the only objective to keep everything in a Stalemate. They will feed on humans but not conquer
Oh, they didn't care about the suffering. They didn't even try to evacuate their people. They had as much concern for their fellow vampires as they did for the human "livestock".
I like that most vampires actually understand the stupidity of this forever war. I’m sure it is much easier to hunt humans if 1 they are allowed to breed and 2 aren’t in a constant state of alert. I mean most of the vampiric abilities rely on the effect of surprise to work. Also, some humans are able to cast spells that can kill vampires. Meaning even the most docile of your sheep could turn into a wolf
I like how they realize the demand and sheer pressure an empire like the one Carmilla wants requires Granted empires have existed before but one of a continental sized scale? Run by vampires and enforced by a mixture of Night Creatures and vampires with the later setting their laws? And dealing humanity rebelling? That's a titanic order
@@excusezmoi9823 And it took them the better part of a millenium to build and maintain it, and at the end it was a horrific byzantine structure that no one since has tried to reconstruct.
1:17 What she's describing is how narcissists are able to build cults of personality. It's especially devastating on individuals with the urge to please or feel accomplished.
It's a good thing these two realized how ludicrous this feeding pen idea is after that first wave of attack. As Morana stated that they not only would she be keeping soldiers and supply lines forever but Striga would have a hard time defending the borders of their convoluted "empire" against scores of humans who more or less know how to kill vampires like the Belmonts. And pretty sure those supply lines would run out for Morana and some lucky asf human on the battle would eventually kill Striga even with her Day Armor on.
I love how they show that no amount of bloodshed is going to stop the humans from trying to be their own species in the world. The may believe themselves a higher form, but they know they are no different than the humans in terms of ideology. They're just living beings trying to survive, just like they are. And a living being will fight to not just survive, but to *live* in the world. Thus constantly clashing only makes things worse, not better. It's not that the two of them feel they're necessarily wrong but they know that the humans also feel the same way; not being wrong to want to live free.
An very big plus for the series is these moments. The dialogues are just beautiful. Discussing deep and detailed issues like the logistics, consequences and logic behind their actions, exploring the implications, doubting motives and separating fantasy from reality, touches that make these scenes portray the relation between the people talking (like Morana putting her feet on Striga) etc. it's just so detailed and rich in every aspect it makes it a beautiful experience.
Weirdly reminds me of the doctors speech from the zygon inversion, where he makes a point that one side has to keep on fighting and fighting and winning but all it takes is one loss to lose it. This feels like it’s saying on how much it would cost to keep on winning on and on and on, it would never end and it would be practically perpetual
Honestly.... This just makes me think so much about how most media and fiction portray the obvious "bad guys" team. Somehow, always having limitless supplies, limitless firepower, and limitless stamina to continue their reign for eternity. I mean, it's like their soldiers don't sleep, don't tire, don't hunger, and don't question their own roles. It's like somehow, they're ok with fighting rebellions forever with their own civilians and people under their control. Yet here, the approach is realistic: "Is this really worth it? We'll be fighting rebellions forever, trying to keep humans under our thumbs, yet we can't be everwhere at once, humans may even eventually surpass us when we least expect it, and we won't have enough time to ourselves to actually enjoy life". Really loved this scene's reason of thinking.
Behind every single meglomaniac with an unfathomably large empire, there is a legendary hyper-competent logistician name Steve who uses color binders organize the pensions of all their minions, and rainbow-coloured highlighters to mark his boss's next evil scheme on the company calendar.
Wrong. Dracula wasn't sick of immortality. He lost his wife due to cruelty. Had he lost his wife normally, he would've grieved, but the pain would've been his to bear alone. He was not bored with his immortality or hated it at all. That was never the source of his pain. In the original canon, his only impetus for becoming immortal at all was out of spite due to the loss of his wife. Immortality was an expression of his sadness, not the cause of it.
Mee too. They understand each other very well. Also when Camilla died they felt it and they knew if they will try to reconquer the palace they will end like Camilla. They choose to leave together in peace without Camilla's madness plans to conquer the world. I am happy for they have a happy end. Maybe they will build a kingdom for themselves and rules as they pleased.
This... This is what people have been talking about. These two are in a lesbian relationship but that is a minuscule fact in light of what they bring to the story. They are actual multi-dimensional characters who actually contribute something to the story other than just being lgbt. This is progressive. They were competent thinking characters that didn't need to tear other characters down to make themselves look good(glares motherfuckerly at Kevin Smith). These two are a perfect example of what it really means to be a strong female character.
I liked the new he-man show for what it was (even though it wasn’t about he man)… but Kevin Smith is crazy if he thinks that show was pushing a strong female narrative. The show was fun for me, the women were generally kick ass, but there was no substance, just entertainment.
@@AfroditeBell I got a feeling that a good rule of thumb for representation is to add not replace. Have an epic he man and then add interesting diverse support to boost the value.
I love because of how realistic it is, you have a friend who has power and ambition. You see him/her as an actual leader with skills and good friend as well, perhaps even found siblings. They suggest you a plan "Hey, let's conquer the whole Europe", at start you are like "HELL YES, LET'S DO IT" and they give you a plan and you are hyped up but when you are preparing for the plan and actually be away from that friend sometimes a question will pop up your head "But how are we gonna mantian this?", humans may be powerless ageinst vampaires at night but there are biliions of them and sun is most likely a chance when they will decide to rebel and fight for their place in the world too. It is easy peasy to take something away when you have power but how do you hold it forever?
I like how this wasn’t just thrown in there, even in the third season Striga and Morana had their doubts but ultimately bought into Carmilla’s nonsense because she’s a manipulator but once they were able to get away from her they were truly able to realize how crazy her “plan” was.
Yeah, and his situation is leagues worse than theirs, he's got to deal with an entire galaxy spanning empire that's torn in half by a hole in reality that's hemorrhaging out daemons and traitors, while also having to deal with political enemies, the state church, and hostile xenos races, if he weren't a demigod, he'd be going insane, even if the stress has made him PHYSICALLY AGE WHEN THE PRIMARCHS WEREN'T ENGINEERED TO DO THAT APART FROM BECOMING ADULTS!!
Why I love this moment, is because of how true it is. If you look at a map, Styria was a client province of the Austrian Empire at that time. Wallachia was a vassal state of the Ottoman Empire at the time, and between those two nations were the Hapsburg protectorate of Croatia, the Hungarian Banate of Bosnia, and the Ottoman vassal Serbia. In other words, not only would they have they have to keep battling internal rebellion, but they would also have to try and hold off the 3 most powerful empires at the time, who may have been in chaos at the time, but eventually would've gotten their sh*t together and bought the full might of their imperial armies down on them.
I like how the most frustration we see is Morana realizing she's be doing logistics and supply line management *forever* and she just can't stand the mere *idea* of doing that. XD Gods, I love the 4 sisters. In a show full of amazing characters, they somehow still manage to stand out!
Basically these 2 just realised that they will never be able to have sex again if they keep going in Carmilla's war, and decided "fuck this we're outties".
Watching this and you realize that their sisterhood and by extension Styria would have fallen apart even if Isaac hadn’t shown up. If they’d made it back and found out that Carmilla had gone full global domination they’d definitely want out.
This series is 95% people just talking, and it's fantastic for it. It's not just setting up the action scenes where most of the budget goes into, it's these philosophical and political discussions that flourish with characters, encouraging people to be as invested as they are. The only "idiot plot" endemic in this show is caused by the church and Carmilla, and both entities are in-story recognized as idiots. And this show was never even considered for nomination for just about any non-animation award.
I like how the show frames a vampire's near-agelessness and conquering the world. Dracula could do it, and would do it, but he was just too bored the first time and too depressed the second time. The Vampire Sisters could do it, but all of them realize how fruitless it is. Carmilla is the only one that kept pushing for it because she wanted to feel what it was like to be on top of the world, and most likely, the one that was the most abused of the 4.
I fckin love Morana's design, the electric blue eye shadow, her eye color and the gold on her ears make her look so regal. It's such simple things that make her character stand out.
The writing in this series was just dope! Badass kills and awesome fights but the dialogues really gets u thinking. Empire fell becos they over reached, not knowing when to stop. Now to put it in the context of pseudo immortals, even this stuff will be tiring on the mind.
This was even foreshadowed in season 2. Dracula said vampires find it near impossible to understand human psychology. Carmilla simply can’t comprehend how stubborn and defiant humans are!
Their whole problem was that Carmilla wanted it done *now* Their nation and forces wasn't that big to begin with and they lost a sizeable chunk in Carmilla's coup attempt. I wonder how they sourced their blood in present state. They seemed worried about supply, but honestly as long as they weren't greedy and had a larger nation invade them they were pretty safe. Lenore even points out that they were successful because they weren't greedy before. Carmilla filled their heads with a grand dream on the power of her charisma and as Morana said, now that they were away from her they were able to see just how not worth it the conquest would be and how it was troubling that her ambition was growing ever more.
Yeah I don't know why the fuck "blood supply" was such an issue. Even if you HAVE to kill humans to get blood (which makes no sense, why not force your human subjects to cut open a vein once or twice a month?) surely there are enough humans to satisfy their demands within the confines of Styria? Unless they mean providing blood for the sisters AND the armies, but even then, the empire was never about having enough "livestock" it was about satisfying Carmillas's ego
They probably needed quite a bit of blood since they were the sole remaining stable vampire community and it looked like they had hundreds of vampires considering many were doing leisure in the library.
I often think about how confused but happy the people in the nearby villages must felt after these two left. They attacked the vampires once, lost most if not all people who went to fight, but the monsters fucked off anyway.
Exactly. Just a bunch of pissed off peasants. If they actually pissed off a kingdom or worse, someone who has hunters like The Inquisition, then they'd be lucky to last those six weeks.
STRIGA had to be the best new addition for the world of Castlevania i hope they will make a full side series about her, truly see the potential in that but only IF they complete the CURSE OF DARKNESS timeline first that is the only way most of this contradictions will make much more sense Striga makes me think of a female version of both Guts of Berserk and old choold Trevor Belmont on the NES days but in vampire form haha she is cool man, honestly was hoping that she didn't kamikaze her self into Trevor and his Elite trio and that she will just go away instead glad that is what it happened
I very much enjoyed the differing character progressions taken on this. Some where slight like Sypha learning to be more open and expressive and trevor learning to trust others. Others grew more like Issac learning to stop thinking how others would think and to think for himself, or Striga and Morana coming to an understanding about what living forever actually means. And then you have characters who didn't have character growth like Carmilla who was as brutal and manipulative from the start till the end. Or the up and down of Dracula from starting out seeming soft natured with Lisa, to going full on lord of darkness, just to end up soft and placid by the end again. Thats the best thing about the series, it showed that people can grow, but some people don't always.
They make a lot of sense and I love these sort of scenes in castlevania. Many like them two In the series talk with deep conversations which reflects pure purpose and critical reason.
Ok so everything aside, Striga's mention of "dying of old age" has me wondering. Can Vampires die of old age in Castlevania, or is that just a vampiric euphemism?
It could be possible. Vampires' sanity tends to deteriorate over long periods of time. I imagine "Old Age" for Vampires is them being reduced to snarling, mindless bloodthirsty beasts.
No. In Castlevania, vampires do not die of old age. It is more likely she meant something like a suicide pact when they both tire of living, however long that might take.
I think what Striga meant by old age is that vampires are immortal, yes but they can sometimes be tired of living. So vampires would somewhat fade over time similar to how Tolkien's Elves would fade in the Second Age.
This reminds me of a doctor who episode where the doctor asks an alien who wants to take over what they will do when their revolution is done and they have to deal with the next one. As the doctor said “you might beat the next revolution and even the one after that but at the end of the day no one wins for long”
Morana mentioned a "magic reality distortion" thing in Carmilia's place. So would that mean Carmillia has been manipulating her sisters this whole time to agree with every scheme she makes? Striga and Lenore wouldn't have noticed, but since Morana is the smart one and has been away with Striga for weeks she sort of "wakes up" from that spell.
I think it's more of a metaphor. She filled her sisters' heads with dreams of grandeur and power, without addressing the real difficulties involved. Carmilla was a delusional tyrant living in a court of yes men. It's likely she genuinely believed it would be easy. Even Lenore, who openly questioned her plans at the start, eventually agreed to them.
well, they wouldn't be doing it forever if they exterminates humans. No species is ever lasting. but that apply to vampires. with a major weakness: Vampires needs humans to eat... but humans don't need vampires for anything.
Carmilla’s conquest expansion is legit IF shes can control and produce the night creatures that more than enough to control the territories. Morana and Striga are the fitting queens to manage this conquest but deep down they just both a lover who want some peace at their end. I just love the relationship between these four vampires. There is more stories to their madness if we listen closely their dialogues between them.
It’s an honest to god shame. These two are such masters of their craft, practically immortal, and genuinely good people when you get down to it. They’re frankly human, and they have to not be human.
The reason, all competent leaders stop expanding after a certain point. No matter how grand a nation is, you can't deny the reality that in the end, you will have to deal with the logistical nightmare set in front of you. Otherwise, your nation will collapse. Very few people can handle that task, and almost all of them would much rather do anything else.
If you play Fallout New Vegas, Ulysses comment about the legion fits in perfectly here, in order to maintain the Empire, even when it was to create a huge feeding pen, would require more resources then they then selves could make, add in the fact that they only steal resources and it creates a problem, they have to keep conquering in order to survive, they have to fight endlessly and they’ll be halted by the sea
Smart move, in the end. Immortal they may be, that can live a thousand lifetimes as rulers, the years of constant rebellion and war would have taken their mental toll. Leaving nothing but husks with scepters and crowns, drained of spirit and emotion.
For once villains actually sitting down taking into account that world domination is a logistical nightmare.
How Dracula had generals of different sections, it does seem way more possible that way.
But just those 4? It would be more trouble than its worth and Im sure some of the vampires would just get bored and want a normal life.
@@hidan407 And those people were just the highest ranking generals we see at Dracula's castle. We see how Cho has her own forces back in Japan, that Carmilla had her sisters and her men at arms, there were more vampires working for Dracula such as "Varney" and Ratko, Dragan's forces, etc.
@@hidan407 And even with Dracula's plan, he didn't want world domination. He wanted world extinction which is, unsurprisingly, much easier logistically then subjugation.
@@seamuswagner3458 exactly, no rebellions if there isn't anyone to rebel
Lmao, facts. 😅
Season 3: "Fuck yeah lets take over everything how hard can it be?"
Season 4: "Boy...Europe is big huh?"
In a nutshell..
Nazis in a Nutshell
Thier ambition fizzled out and carmilla turning mad. I was so hyped for the vampire sisters as big players but their forces stood no chance
Not only that, Carmilla wants to take over the entire world. I think at that point, her sisters should have just dropped her plan like a hot potato.
@@Genzafel Dude, the Nazi's were kicking the shit out of Europe. Things went south because Hitler got too over confident, and tried to tackle everybody at the same time.
These two are pretty much the only semi-competent vampires in this series that seemed to understand that humans aren't going away, and if you keep enough of them in captivity to feed you, you will always be dealing with rebellions
The seem to grasp that better than most vampires, who think humans should just accept that they are "livestock" and get upset when humans instead fight back. Morana and Striga realize that humans will fight to the end for their freedom and lives, and that will make them impossible to control and their war neverending.
@@GeneralKenobi75 pffft u have to be joking "Never-ending" far from it. In just a few generations theyll get overthrown by a very angry and very strong human.
I don't get why don't the vampires have a better system, a trade system. Donate blood for us and they will offer science and knowledge
@@ampocalypsew3883 because vampires are the spawns of darkness and hell? because they are seen as evils by humans? because humans will fear God will not like it? because vampires despised humans? Because once the humans learns all the knowledges of the vampires, why would they continues to donate blood? Also many humans fear science and from the bloodshed the court of Dracula commited on that village, they seems to need way more than a a few mouthfuls of blood
@@efaristi9737 not all of them tho look at the forgemasters and other smart humans, like Hector said ppl can admit to change. And those who cannot...well they will die due to Diseases and their own stupidity
These two are the only two Vampires who make it out on because they learn a lesson the other vampires don't. Never extend your grasp to what is beyond your reach.
Yeah, they didn't even make an attempt on saving their people. It proves their ultimate selfishness and that they never could have kept there empire together, even if they really wanted to.
@@alaljarensi6990 had they headed in, it would have been suicide. By the time they got there, Carmila already died, and Issac had won. You’re telling me leading themselves and the rest of their troops into a pact suicide is dedication? I think that’s just being stupid.
@@hellenwen154 true.
They were right that they could've continued fighting Forever, but they would've had to pay the cost themselves (the cost being their relationship, and freedom from the war).
And as we later learned, carmilla expecting them to just follow orders would've gotten them killed, since her plan was already doomed to fail because her and Lenore couldn't conceive the possibility of being betrayed or outsmarted.
Except for Dracula who just gave up
@@alaljarensi6990 They also realise the pointlessness and cruelty of it all. Instead of heading with all the troupes in to get killed for something that wasn't even their plan, they flee where they can make more vampires if they so choose or just live like happily together.
I love that these villians actually had their own personal issues with their sister, unlike those who wanted to resurrect Dracula
Well yeah. Carmilla made big plans but doesn't really want to do the hard work of carrying them out herself.
It also shows the point of views that not all vampires want war, a lot of them rather want to live a quiet life without being disbursed by blood shed. We can already see that both of them are tired of wars and fighting when it leads them no where but more pain and suffering. As one of them said, humans are not like cow or pigs, they will fight back
@@coffeelink943 indeed it also shows that not all vampires think the same or follow their nature
@@Elly3981 I don't think that's quite right. Carmilla is more than willing to do the work, but she couldn't do it alone, and her sisters did not share her goals.
@@edmondchan3426 I think its more accurate to say Carmilla doesn't really want to do the kind of work Striga does, going out into the field and actually fighting hard and tiring battles one after another to make her dream a reality.
So... Striga is the dad who goes out to work in the fields, Morana is the mom who handles domestic chores, Lenore is the little daughter who plays with her pet all day, and Carmilla is the senile narcissistic grandma who thinks she's the next best thing after sliced bread...
Yea...pretty much...
Lenore is the fairytale princess who plays with her pet manchild yes.
That's surprisingly accurate
Striga is the muscle
Morana is the brains
Lenore is the backstabbing diplomat
And Carmilla is the tyrant
Lenore *has* a role to play. She's the diplomatic one. When warfare fails, tactics go wrong, you try the diplomatic way. Or, even better, you try diplomacy first. However, in Carmilla's grand master plan, diplomacy was never a factor. Carmilla thought herself strong enough, ambitious enough, to get whatever she wanted by sheer force alone.
And when Morana says "You will be fighting forever" she really means it. She will fight _forever_ unless someone kill her.
'Forever' in my mind is until Trevor, Alucard and Sypha make their way to them, and then they're very much dead.
Vampires can age just ungodly slow.
I think you mean UNTIL someone kills her. Striga is just another vampire. Sure she's strong a good warrior but so were Dracula's generals and Trevor's group wiped them out easily.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105humanity is not composed of soldiers like Trevor, Sypha and Alucard. the majority of them would *not* stand a chance.
@@Damodred_Heiress Wrong, humanity learns and adapts. We see that here with the humans taking advantage of the Vampire's weakness to sunlight by attacking them during the day and it's only thanks to Striga's armor she survives but sooner or later she'll slip up.
I thought Lenore was just wussing out when she objected to Carmilla's plan then I heard these two talk about the logistics of it all and it made sense
Turns out, only 4 vampire ladies CAN'T run a whole empire when one is only good at barking orders, another's skills with diplomacy aren't exactly useful when your "subjects" are also (only) your livestock, another one IS a great warrior and general but she can't be everywhere at once and the last one is stuck trying to keep this sinking ship floating
@@floricel_112 Yeah. You gotta feel for Morana and Striga since they're the ones who will be stuck in war for centuries to come.
Being in the army has really shown me how important logistics are. There is a saying that goes somewhat along "if logistics dont move, the army wont move."
You can be a trained warrior but if your supply lines dont move, you're screwed.
@@floricel_112 wasn't Lenore also the one who negotiated with neighbouring vampire conclaves and human Cities?
The other three thought of her skills as useless in war as she was doing the talk and not the logistics nor the war leading.
Stygias downfall was Carmillas megalomania
Lenore spent all of S4 complaining about overreach and the dangers of insatiable power. This means that she understood that reaching for too much makes you vulnerable.
@@astrisperspecto4130 She can do some of it since she's handling Morana's workload when Morana's in the field. It's a bit strange when you think about it because you always require diplomacy. Even countries that are hostile or on that precipice require diplomacy.
Dracula: Extremely powerful vampire
Striga: Extremely powerful vampire
Dracula: Gets tired of fighting, goes and lives isolated in a castle with his wife.
Striga: Gets tired of fighting, goes and lives isolated in a castle with her wife.
Dracula: Declares War on the human world after they kill his wife.
Striga: "I hear there's a spinoff after season 4, wonder what the conflict could be 🤔"
We saw how powerful Carmilla was and she wasn't even their main fighter. Imagine how powerful Striga is if she goes serious.
@@basicsimp8798 some people might think that carmilla is stronger since she was tearing through nightcreatures like paper, while striga did the same but with peasants while being quickly exhausted and getting help from her soldiers, yet striga is carrying a big f*** off greatsword, wears heavy armor during daylight which despite not killing her, probably still weakens her to some extend. Ye if we ever see her again it‘s gonna be a massacre, guts 100 soldiers lvl massacre.
For one thing since Dracula is slain human's confidence to fight vampires has increase, with news of victories against them spread, they could pull off a story about being on the run against new vampire slayers.
Striga is not Extremely power compared to Dracula IMO and she said she does not want to fight a never ending battle so...yea that’s dead we’ll see tho
@@Megatronx843 well of course, dracula has always been the top dog and always will be. What we have seen so far in the show isn‘t near what his real strength is. He was holding back alot was weakened and basically just wanted to die, but in comparison to other vampires not including dracula, striga may be up there among the strongest since in matters of just pure bulk and strength she‘s maybe the best there is.
When gay charaters are tridimensional and their personalaty it isnt only been gay
and for once in about damn time.
Take hints CW.
I thought they were sisters?!
@@I_do_covers They are sisters in the sense of sisterhood. Carmilla in this form o fa Castlevania hates men.
@@I_do_covers sisters in arms, not biologically
It's a leftist lib show I dont think it would matter to these dudes real or not.
One of my favorite parts of this season was a bunch of respectable villians discuss the awful logistics of taking over and maintaining control the whole world. like, "like the whole thing? Who would need any of that? "
Or war, you can see both of them are tired of fighting, humans will fight back and they don’t want to deal with that of their everyday life
And the fact that while the vampires are indeed more powerful, they simply can't win against the humans in one resource and that is numbers in total warfare.
@@johnnyfives5416 even if vampires did had more Numbers , they would lose , because they need humans to feed
@@Gorecatto
Holy shit
Children study tactics and strategy. The adults in the room study logistics.
Finally the villains understand that keeping highly adaptable, very intelligent, EXTREMELY curious persistence-hunter primates in captivity is a nightmare.
Add the fact that they can just keep Fucking their shit up during daylight all day every day, while only one of them has armour than can keep her safe (Until someone gets a lucky crack at that armour) and they now only have half the time to keep them contained.
@@randomcenturion7264 exactly and these were just farmers, not actual military combatants.
But most humans are weak with no special powers tho??? Now forgemasters and witches are a whole different story tho.
@@itsbigdawg3936 most humans can kill night creatures know if they are prepared, captive ones WILL be prepared
@@itsbigdawg3936 Apes Strong Together
They survived because they had the sense to TALK OUT THEIR ISSUES. Healthy relationship and competent villainy. We love to see it
Morana "No way in hell I wanna do admin work for carmilla forever!!"
Striga: “Wow she’s dead, how sad ... where to now love?”
It's hard being a secretary when your boss is an insane megalomaniac
@@LadyLeomon😂😂
“We’d be stuck banning people who post memes in general forever!”
Wish it included the bit where Striga realises they weren't fighting soldiers, they were fighting random peasants, and they'd have to keep on fighting peasants forever in open lands with no cover from the sun.
My favourite part was when she said they were afraid, not of dying, but having not fought at all. Exactly what Trevor said. Their work would have led to more families like the Belmonts appearing
@@StormKidProductions Exactly. The Belmonts were famous and respected when vampires were a menace, but during a long peace they became regarded as occultist weirdos. A vampire empire taking over several kingdoms would provoke kings into financing their own vampire hunting families.
To be clear, i don't think humans could just grow to be on the level of Belmonts, as the Belmonts aren't just strong people they're superhuman vampire hunting freaks (affectionate) which if i recall was the main reason they were excommunicated.
Hell, in the games, there was i believe a 300 year period where the Belmonts disappeared from the public, and there were vampire hunters who rose up to pick up the slack, and while they were barely able to handle the forces of darkness, they were clearly not as strong as the Belmonts. There was the Morris clan who were distantly related to the Belmonts but less powerful and i believe didn't use magic. And there was the Order of Ecclesia, a cult who had the public perception of being anti-Dracula but were actually Dracula worshippers who accidentally created a Dracula killer in Shanoa, because the Order of Ecclesia is a fucking imbecilic group who has no idea how to run a successful cult.
Look, they might not be the best people with the best ethics but they do have a healthy relationship and a realistic view of the world and themselves and I love them for that. Nothing but respect for our two functional queens.
I didn't like how quickly they abandoned the other vampires without even an escape plan. In a way, they were more selfish than Carmela.
@@alaljarensi6990 Yes, But they lived as _Vampires_
They are most likely the _Last_ generation of *Vampires* left.
Considering the purge that's going on (e.g *The Castlevania Trio*)
@@alaljarensi6990 They didn't really abandon anyone. Isaac had already wiped out pretty much the entire population of Castle Styria, and had also killed Carmilla. There was no reason to try and reinforce a fallen fortress, so they allowed their men to leave on their own, and left with each other.
@@Berd-Wasted. But there were vampires around the world. Dracula's war is only going on in central Europe.
@@alaljarensi6990 I see.
It's gonna take a while.
Castlevania writers be like:
Wanna watch us create a couple with enough romantic chemistry to power a city?
Wanna watch us do it again?
And again?
And again, but this time its kinky?
And again?
And for the hell of it, one more time before the series ends?
instead of doing this shit they could have actually made good use of saint germain's character and not make him a complete simp asshole
if he had been a complete manipulator who only cares for himself it would've been much better and interesting
This was made by Adi Shankar, Warren Ellis, and Netflix. Seriously, what else did you expect?
“Don’t talk down to me because I am not a soldier”
“Don’t condescend to me because I am a soldier”
These are really good lines that show what the back and frontline deal with in wars
This is why Lenore should have been a bigger part of Carmilla’s plan. You don’t have to worry as much about maintaining the borders of your empire, if you can negotiate a good deal with your enemies, or get some allies to do it for you.
How tf do you negotiate with people about allowing themselves to become livestock? What are you even supposed to tell them? What would they even have to gain from such a deal?
@@floricel_112 the humans can give a portion of their blood without dying, in return the vampires will give them something like food or money and security from the other vampires and night creatures
@@driedcumin6938 The problem with that is eventually the humans will decide *ENOUGH* and fight back.
@@Jarock316 I don't know... that actually sounds like a pretty reasonable trade-off. They probably wouldn't even need to give up more than a pint total per month per person and since vampires can feed on the blood of pretty much any living creature they could also harvest it from livestock. Human blood would become a valuable commodity. If they treated people well and actually protected them from monsters the arrangement could probably last for a few decades.
@@floricel_112 if humans are given reasonable blood quota like a cup of blood from every full grown person per week to fill cold canister the Vampire can pay them, protect them from bandits or invaders(which can add to blood canisters) and if they past the quota can provide more wealth and resources to them.
This scene just goes to show the most important lesson any conqueror can learn: Creating an empire is always much easier than maintaining it. Simply put, some people don't have what it takes to do both, and Morana and Striga are proof positive of that.
England is a real life example
@@blackatom4957 That was, until William of Normandy came around. I was thinking more along the lines of the Mongol Empire.
@@blackatom4957 Yeah, if you look a few centuries back you can see the same problem with Spain too, and this is coming from a Spanish xDDDDD I'm not a historian but from what I know of history, the bigger an empire gets, the closer it is to its downfall. It's like there's a critical point in territorial surface maybe??? You go beyond that critical point and it becomes imposible to keep it together and it just... starts to fall in pieces, I find it quite interesting because for centuries it has happened to so many different civilizations.
@@SanaePrime Also all the captured countries become third world countries.
@@SanaePrime It is in large part a question of how quickly you can hear about and respond to an emergency. If it takes you two months to hear about an invasion/famine/etc in your lands, and another two months to do anything about it, then you are acting far too late to be of use to that area. Instead, you would then need regional leaders to take care of all of that, but the more the regional leaders need to take care of for you, the less they need _you,_ and they might just decide to stop sending taxes your way.
They are realizing Carmilla is going crazy
She was always crazy.
@@sor90 Its easy for Carmilla to make big plans if she's not the one who has to do the work to carry them out.
Ironically, Carmilla is more crazy than how she viewed Dracula to be. But nooo.
It’s ironic how she complains about crazy old man wanting to take over the world but are too stupid but now she is slowly becoming one
You again is no one noticing Trevor failed he in every comment section lol
You know what I really like about the voice acting? It sounds so realistic and natural. So much voice acting in anime and cartoons sound forced and over theatrical, but this sounds like just regular conversation.
The stuttering and pauses in words really sells it I feel.
It is very difficult to get these kind of performances, but once you do it 👌😌
And it's a minor thing but I do love how the actress who voices Striga isn't putting up an accent- Well, she is but she is actually Croatian and the European accent is a cadence that comes naturally to her. It's nice, I like it. 👍
Anime is a bit of an unfortunate case due to dubbing, and trying to make the delivery work with the lip movements. Most Japanese animation doesn’t even sync to the original voice actors either; they animate *before* getting the voice lines
@@praiseit4805 Pretty sure they aren't even talking about the dubbing. Japanese voice acting, while full of effort, is so over the top that you wonder if those people still have throats
I like how the scene that preceded the last one in this video was Striga's camp being almost decimated by farmers who were smart enough to figure out that the best way to deal with them was to attack during the day. Not only did this take her by surprise but it showed her the true nature of what she signed up for. This actually shook her. It's just a incredibly well written scene.
It was a battle that was won handily and brutally. But a battle won is still a battle fought. And fighting sucks. Not statistically a coinflip, but still, you keep flipping that coin one day it will come up tails. Better to not have to flip it, or limit how often you do.
@@DeviantEdspearand like she said they will keep coming, one day a random farmer is gonna get lucky with a pitchfork or arrow and the next thing she knows boom dust on the battlefield, in war tactics, strategy, skill are equally important however Luck will always always have a hand in it and that's something no vampire no matter how strong can even control
The issue with Camilla's plan is that she depended on humans remaining fearful and ignorant against vampires and night creatures. You have to remember the Belmonts were the only ones fighting their kind and it was implied that they were all dead, since Trevor was under the radar. Now in Season 1, during the final village battle before Alucard was found. Trevor had taken lead and told villagers not only how to fight but he also told them to 'spread the word'. This is apparent in Season 3 when the Judge was explaining things against the night creature battle flashback. His soldiers knew about salted blades, while adding dung to them. Also in that same season Dracula's death is also known and being talked about among people. So the most powerful vampire is dead and people now know how to fight them and other creatures. In fact both of them were impressed when that arrow cut through letting sunlight in which burned Striga! So at that point not only they realized they will be fighting forever but humans were getting smarter on HOW and WHEN to. Another thing that led to more people uprising against them was that not only Dracula was dead, but also the top hierarchy! Godbrand, Cho etc. Camilla was the only one left alive.
And it's only gonna become more peerless for Vampires as time passes. Trevor and Slypha's child will be able to use both magic and Trevor's fighting abilities, likely being more dangerous than either of them were, plus Trevor and Slypha have a whole village with access to Dracula's and the Belmont's library of monster slaying books, weapons and techniques, with Trevor, Slypha and Alucard there to teach them, effectively creating an army of monster hunters of similar skills and abilities.
Pretty soon, Vampires will be the ones terrified as more and more humans become powerful enough to fight back.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 O.O.O.O.o 😂 😂 😂 😂
Yeah. We forget that just like basic animals in the wild. Humans evolve. Even if 70% of them die out, 30% of the ones left figure out how to survive and multiply from there. These vampires are immortal and would have to keep dealing with those growing advances for generations to come if they continued this plan
@@akachiokafor8739 And right now they have it easy. This is a period where humans don't even have guns yet and Science is considered witchcraft.
Humanity evolves rapidly, especially in the fact of adversity. Pretty soon Vampires will have to run and hide if they wanna survive.
And with Alucard and Greta building a village with both Castle Tepes, and the Belmont residence exists side by side, it won't be long before many people learning to fight the night creatures. In fact, with the rising fame of Sypha, Adrian and Trevor, more people will come to learn about killing vampires.
Bravo! Easily, one of the most intimate, thought-provoking scenes of the entire series.
Their dialogue simultaneously sheds light upon the horrific reality of unending nation-building warfare and the effect it would have on their personal relationship.
True!
Not to mention how long the Stygia sisters would even last once Trevor Belmont, Sylphas and Alucard were present at the camps. Camilla sure didn’t account for that.
I really hope the Spinoff series after this is about them
@@superheroprotagonist she counted on the night creatures. For what does 3 people do against an army. The main problem with her plan is that the full krux of it is laid on the shoulder and soldiers of 4 people. Dracula had many under his service from night creatures to other vampires. They made no attempt to rally more troops other then night creatures.
@@superheroprotagonist Hell she didn't even account of Isaac he was just just one Forgemaster with a vendetta. Imagine if she created her "nation" and how many other powerful figures would look at it with anger and jealousy. Conquering the entire world is insane.
@@NeoDMC The Golden Horde will abolish the conquest. Imagine if the Golden Horde had vampires.
They know what they want at least, without damning everyone else in their entourage. That's a good enough reason to vouch for them.
They're still very much two evil bitches. Just a little more realistic about their situation than some other villains.
They had zero concern for anybody else. Not even their vampire soldiers who served them loyally.
@@alaljarensi6990 what are you talking about? Striga does care about her soldiers. She even defended them against an attack by humans during the daytime with her day armor.
Gay characters who have distinct three-dimensional personalities and aren't defined as token characters? Now THIS is progress!!!
Yu yu hakusho did it 25 years ago.
@@classicslayer456 who's gay on yuyu hakusho
@@geekylad8400 sensui and itsuki were lovers.
Doctor Who practically has a bi-sexual character that’s immune to “bury your gays”
@@Mars_over_seer Captain Jack Harness? I taught he was Pan?
“Or put another way, we make it work *despite* Carmilla”
I love how Striga’s reaction shows us how close this comes to sounding like treason. This would have been the start of a very bad schism in the group if Carmilla and Lenore had survived.
I like how she uses "In the cold light of day" it almost sounds like an internal Idiom for vampires, which Hectos himself discussed with Lenore, vampires actually had poetry, a culture, despite their parasitic-power mongering tendencies. Which brings to mind Dracula's vast wealth of knowledge.
We are all parasites when you really think about it
Scenes and dialogue like this is what makes this show so special. The awesome fight scenes help too lol, but these kinds of scenes always get me thinking so much. I really grew to like this couple. They had a lot of respect.for each other and listened to each other's arguments and worked out together that the endless strive for conquest wasn't something they truly wanted.
It's interesting how they show Morana and Striga's vampire perspective on conquest compared to humans. Since they're immortal they have to deal with the mess for the rest of their lives, which is basically forever unless they get killed. Meanwhile humans create empires partially to leave a legacy.
For human's empires are how they stay immortal. For vampires it's just a pain in the ass, unless you're power hungry like Carmilla who would probably regret world domination if she successful.
I really liked these two's interactions. Yeah it feels a little out of nowhere that they're suddenly against Carmilla's plans, but I've seen first hand people agreeing on something being a good plan, only when they do it do they see the actual cons of following through with said plans, especially when they see more cons than pros. They're immortal vampires, Lenore herself said they like being comfortable and not changing. Constantly, fighting and constantly planning is something they don't want to do all the time.
Morana always thought it was a bad plan but Carmilla was able to convince her initially. I think Striga agreed that trying to maintain such a large territory was a huge task as well. But again carmilla was able to get them to go along with her plan at first. Then while they were out actually trying to establish their borders they end up at this scene and realize they would be fighting humans forever until they go insane. And the fact that the longer it goes on the further Striga has to venture away from their home turf and Morana wouldn't be able to see her.
Damn I love the writing in this show!
They both had problems with the plan from the start but Carmilla was able to convince them, them being away allowed them fully realize how insane everything was.
@@thomasraines1396 Agreed. In Season 3 they're all constantly finding problems with the plan, but Carmilla has a magnetic charisma that inspires people to make the solution work. All three vampire sisters, when separated from Carmilla, reveal that they're actually uncomfortable with the plan.
@@Suijen86 exactly it’s amazing/terrifying how people with enough charisma can convince others regardless of how insane something is.
@@thomasraines1396 Lenore mentioned before that this was not her first crazy scheme, and the other crazy schemes got them to where they are today so it's not too surprising that the other sisters went along with this crazy ambitious plan. The first meeting they had they talked about its lunacy but saw that it could possibly work. Carmilla has a good track record apparently.
Quite a sight to see when villains realize that trying to take over the world is hella stupid
Yes destroying it is much better
@@tonyperez8750 It was addressed earlier that doing that is just as stupid
I recently rewatched this episode and I just - am fucking floored at how Morana and Striga convey they're veteran commanding officers by dialogue alone.
"Victory Condition", "Battle Theater", "Supply Lines" and just the overall strategic perspective they have with such a worn-down tone.
There's nothing as stupid as a big prompt labeling Striga as "Force Commander" and Morana as "Master Strategist" or whatever. They know enough to label the stakes and they know when the cost is too high.
Do you have any idea how insufferably rare it is for anything in fiction to express this level of tactical insight in a character? And that was a handful of sentences!
Honestly, scenes like these make me realize that Lenore, Morana, and Striga aren't really VILLAIN villains. I mean yeah, they want to cage up humans, but they make it clear it's really nothing personal and they are just trying to aid their fellow vampires. It's like Morana said, they have no real grudge on humans, they just need them for food, and even then they become horrified by the sheer cruelty Carmilla really plans for the whole race.
but you think that as carmilla she is very selfish and despotic she did not really consider them as sisters she only used them for her benefits as she did with hector and she thinks that wi carmilla would have conquered the world she would be carried away by selfishness and one or two another form would be desired from leonore, striga, morana, and hector
and have the world to herself.
For Isaac, Hector, and Dracula it is personal.
The vampires generally tend to view humans as livestock, but some of the vampire generals are more sadistic as per their raid on the human village in S2. Morana and Striga just view humans as pigs with boots, but like Dracula, understand that humans "think, and scheme, and betray."
The vampire sisters seemed to be more upset about the scale. Lenore in her first convo in S4 seems to dislike the idea of war in general, or "killing most of the people, and caging the rest" and seems disgusted at the quip of humans as "self-replicating food" so she may have actually been horrified about it. This kind of makes sense since of the four she actually bonds with her human.
Vampires are like humans. They can be all be cruel. The difference is that vampires by necessity need to kill for survival.
I think if you're part of a mechanism turning humans into livestock your intentions and grudges matter precisely dick; you're a monster incompatible with human existence and deserve to be hunted to extinction.
I think you have a warped sense of what a villain is. If someone shoots someone dead in the street randomly would you say "Well it wasn't PERSONAL"
@@Suijen86 so do we, we need to also kill for survival
They had so much potential, i wanted to see them more😭
Look on the bright side, they got to ride off into the sunset together and spend the rest of their lives with each other.
@@X--pv7kz yeah I'm happy they are alive, i wished they kissed tho😂
@@giuliaprimucci7603 oh your actually right about that, did they not kiss in the third season? I have to rewatch.
@@giuliaprimucci7603 ehhhhm are you from Alabama or Habsburg?
@@laisphinto6372 Bruv they're in a sisterhood, not biologically related.
The classic imperial paradox. You use a powerful military to conquer an area. You gain more enemies necessitating the use of resources to enhance your military. But to get more resources you expand further to conquer more territory and more enemies. And on and on. Even if your domain crushes every other foe, you can’t anticipate the enemy within. Entropy has no allegiance or boundary. The conquests of the past are inevitably undone by the weakness of successive generations. Every empire in history has fought and failed to overcome this predicament. Props to a couple of immortal blood suckers realizing exactly what they were walking into and choosing to leave it behind.
The 76th rule of acquisition : Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.
Terry Pratchett Jingo.
Damn son, that was an oscar worthy monologue
Striga is basically this series' version of Guts, but genderbent, with a lot of elements of Artorias and Astrid Hofferson thrown in, and as a vampire with a heart.
not a heart, a brain.
don't get it twisted, Striga and Morgana are as evil as they come, Striga would simply beat a prisoner to death for fun while Morgana would slowly torture them.
it's just that they understand the truth behind war, it's tiring and wasteful.
@@cyberwolfy37 Well, you have a point, but I was refering to how she has some standards, which is what I meant, since she's morally-grey at best, and you know, in the moment where she watches the aftermath of the carnage she made in episode 25, she realizes how her victims were only acting in self-defense.
At least, while she may be wicked as you have rightfully pointed out, the "heart" I was refering to was her standards, and as you've pointed clearly, a brain by making the wise choice of turning on Carmilla for her true intentions. If anything, she might be a bloodthirsty vampire, no doubt about that, but at least she isn't a heartless monster like Carmilla, who wanted to destroy the world for her own pleasure. No wonder even Dracula despised Carmilla.
Why is she so damn big tho?! She towers over pretty much all the other characters 😂
I love Striga tho, the accent is the best. 😆❤
@@thewhitespectre Well. She is probably even taller than Dracula himself.
@@ludonymous526 no. Dracula is a giant striga is just a slav lmao
God I hope the Spinoff centers around them 🤩 (honestly I think they started showing there humanity here because they realized how much suffering they would cause in this endeavor and how it would affect there demeanor and relationship as a whole) maybe it wasn’t completely altruistic but still
i could watch these two bickering about politics and making up FOREVER. Though the occasional scene of Striga kicking ass in daylight armor wouldn't hurt either
@@Ghost-Mom exactly
I can see them both live their lives in peace. Heck, I can see them make their own Vampire Community as Elders with the only objective to keep everything in a Stalemate. They will feed on humans but not conquer
Oh, they didn't care about the suffering. They didn't even try to evacuate their people. They had as much concern for their fellow vampires as they did for the human "livestock".
I like that most vampires actually understand the stupidity of this forever war. I’m sure it is much easier to hunt humans if 1 they are allowed to breed and 2 aren’t in a constant state of alert. I mean most of the vampiric abilities rely on the effect of surprise to work.
Also, some humans are able to cast spells that can kill vampires. Meaning even the most docile of your sheep could turn into a wolf
I like how they realize the demand and sheer pressure an empire like the one Carmilla wants requires
Granted empires have existed before but one of a continental sized scale? Run by vampires and enforced by a mixture of Night Creatures and vampires with the later setting their laws? And dealing humanity rebelling? That's a titanic order
I mean the Romans had an empire that encompassed most of Europe
@@excusezmoi9823 And it took them the better part of a millenium to build and maintain it, and at the end it was a horrific byzantine structure that no one since has tried to reconstruct.
@@gsh5900 Fair enough, but they were still able to mange it for quite a while and the Byzantines weren't all bad.
@@excusezmoi9823 But the romans didn't eat the citizens.
@@gsh5900 and the last 400-350 years they were barely hanging on.
1:17 What she's describing is how narcissists are able to build cults of personality. It's especially devastating on individuals with the urge to please or feel accomplished.
It's a good thing these two realized how ludicrous this feeding pen idea is after that first wave of attack.
As Morana stated that they not only would she be keeping soldiers and supply lines forever but Striga would have a hard time defending the borders of their convoluted "empire" against scores of humans who more or less know how to kill vampires like the Belmonts.
And pretty sure those supply lines would run out for Morana and some lucky asf human on the battle would eventually kill Striga even with her Day Armor on.
You know characters are competent when they reference supply lines in a war
I love how they show that no amount of bloodshed is going to stop the humans from trying to be their own species in the world. The may believe themselves a higher form, but they know they are no different than the humans in terms of ideology. They're just living beings trying to survive, just like they are. And a living being will fight to not just survive, but to *live* in the world. Thus constantly clashing only makes things worse, not better. It's not that the two of them feel they're necessarily wrong but they know that the humans also feel the same way; not being wrong to want to live free.
An very big plus for the series is these moments. The dialogues are just beautiful. Discussing deep and detailed issues like the logistics, consequences and logic behind their actions, exploring the implications, doubting motives and separating fantasy from reality, touches that make these scenes portray the relation between the people talking (like Morana putting her feet on Striga) etc. it's just so detailed and rich in every aspect it makes it a beautiful experience.
No wonder they just said "Fuck it" and left when Carmilla died.
Weirdly reminds me of the doctors speech from the zygon inversion, where he makes a point that one side has to keep on fighting and fighting and winning but all it takes is one loss to lose it. This feels like it’s saying on how much it would cost to keep on winning on and on and on, it would never end and it would be practically perpetual
DOCTOR: What will you do then?
BONNIE: We'll win.
DOCTOR: Oh really? Maybe you will. But nobody wins forever.
Honestly.... This just makes me think so much about how most media and fiction portray the obvious "bad guys" team.
Somehow, always having limitless supplies, limitless firepower, and limitless stamina to continue their reign for eternity. I mean, it's like their soldiers don't sleep, don't tire, don't hunger, and don't question their own roles. It's like somehow, they're ok with fighting rebellions forever with their own civilians and people under their control.
Yet here, the approach is realistic:
"Is this really worth it? We'll be fighting rebellions forever, trying to keep humans under our thumbs, yet we can't be everwhere at once, humans may even eventually surpass us when we least expect it, and we won't have enough time to ourselves to actually enjoy life".
Really loved this scene's reason of thinking.
Behind every single meglomaniac with an unfathomably large empire, there is a legendary hyper-competent logistician name Steve who uses color binders organize the pensions of all their minions, and rainbow-coloured highlighters to mark his boss's next evil scheme on the company calendar.
To be fair, that kinda seems like how things could work if they have enough of Hector's night creatures to deal with everything
As time goes on many vampires will feel how Dracula felt, the folly of immortality.
Yes.
Wrong. Dracula wasn't sick of immortality. He lost his wife due to cruelty. Had he lost his wife normally, he would've grieved, but the pain would've been his to bear alone. He was not bored with his immortality or hated it at all. That was never the source of his pain. In the original canon, his only impetus for becoming immortal at all was out of spite due to the loss of his wife. Immortality was an expression of his sadness, not the cause of it.
I love these two characters
Mee too. They understand each other very well. Also when Camilla died they felt it and they knew if they will try to reconquer the palace they will end like Camilla. They choose to leave together in peace without Camilla's madness plans to conquer the world. I am happy for they have a happy end. Maybe they will build a kingdom for themselves and rules as they pleased.
EASILY some of my favorite female characters in a long while. And honestly, probably one of the best written gay couple ever.
hated them both
@@maybeimrambling9401 that's nice now go fuck off😘
Okay I’ll indulge you. Why did you hate them.
It took USA 20 years to realise this same thing.
Russia still hasn't learned this.
Guerilla warfare is not something larger nations and empires, that are also on the offensive, do well with.
@@concept5631 Not for like a hundred and fifty years.
This... This is what people have been talking about. These two are in a lesbian relationship but that is a minuscule fact in light of what they bring to the story. They are actual multi-dimensional characters who actually contribute something to the story other than just being lgbt. This is progressive.
They were competent thinking characters that didn't need to tear other characters down to make themselves look good(glares motherfuckerly at Kevin Smith). These two are a perfect example of what it really means to be a strong female character.
I liked the new he-man show for what it was (even though it wasn’t about he man)… but Kevin Smith is crazy if he thinks that show was pushing a strong female narrative. The show was fun for me, the women were generally kick ass, but there was no substance, just entertainment.
@@AfroditeBell I got a feeling that a good rule of thumb for representation is to add not replace. Have an epic he man and then add interesting diverse support to boost the value.
The voice acting is sooo good. The quality of their recordings are so clear and crisp and clean.
I love because of how realistic it is, you have a friend who has power and ambition. You see him/her as an actual leader with skills and good friend as well, perhaps even found siblings. They suggest you a plan "Hey, let's conquer the whole Europe", at start you are like "HELL YES, LET'S DO IT" and they give you a plan and you are hyped up but when you are preparing for the plan and actually be away from that friend sometimes a question will pop up your head "But how are we gonna mantian this?", humans may be powerless ageinst vampaires at night but there are biliions of them and sun is most likely a chance when they will decide to rebel and fight for their place in the world too. It is easy peasy to take something away when you have power but how do you hold it forever?
I like how this wasn’t just thrown in there, even in the third season Striga and Morana had their doubts but ultimately bought into Carmilla’s nonsense because she’s a manipulator but once they were able to get away from her they were truly able to realize how crazy her “plan” was.
1:55
In warhammer 40k universe
Robute “I feel like I felt someone else pain of LOGISTICS”
Yeah, and his situation is leagues worse than theirs, he's got to deal with an entire galaxy spanning empire that's torn in half by a hole in reality that's hemorrhaging out daemons and traitors, while also having to deal with political enemies, the state church, and hostile xenos races, if he weren't a demigod, he'd be going insane, even if the stress has made him PHYSICALLY AGE WHEN THE PRIMARCHS WEREN'T ENGINEERED TO DO THAT APART FROM BECOMING ADULTS!!
This is Guts and Casca if they were vampires.
And if they were never by the Eclipse.
Why I love this moment, is because of how true it is. If you look at a map, Styria was a client province of the Austrian Empire at that time. Wallachia was a vassal state of the Ottoman Empire at the time, and between those two nations were the Hapsburg protectorate of Croatia, the Hungarian Banate of Bosnia, and the Ottoman vassal Serbia.
In other words, not only would they have they have to keep battling internal rebellion, but they would also have to try and hold off the 3 most powerful empires at the time, who may have been in chaos at the time, but eventually would've gotten their sh*t together and bought the full might of their imperial armies down on them.
I like how the most frustration we see is Morana realizing she's be doing logistics and supply line management *forever* and she just can't stand the mere *idea* of doing that. XD
Gods, I love the 4 sisters. In a show full of amazing characters, they somehow still manage to stand out!
Basically these 2 just realised that they will never be able to have sex again if they keep going in Carmilla's war, and decided "fuck this we're outties".
I keep re-watching this scene because it's so sweet. That, and Striga is my kind of goddess.
Watching this and you realize that their sisterhood and by extension Styria would have fallen apart even if Isaac hadn’t shown up. If they’d made it back and found out that Carmilla had gone full global domination they’d definitely want out.
For all Banshee fans who watch this, Striga is voiced by Ivana Milicevic who played Carrie Hopewell/Anatasia Rabitov.
Im glad the series discuss the difference of capturing territory and maintaining it
This series is 95% people just talking, and it's fantastic for it. It's not just setting up the action scenes where most of the budget goes into, it's these philosophical and political discussions that flourish with characters, encouraging people to be as invested as they are. The only "idiot plot" endemic in this show is caused by the church and Carmilla, and both entities are in-story recognized as idiots.
And this show was never even considered for nomination for just about any non-animation award.
Dracula, too.
@@animeotaku307 Yeah, I'd agree with that. Dracula's suicidal grief was called out in-universe as pretty stupid.
I like how the show frames a vampire's near-agelessness and conquering the world. Dracula could do it, and would do it, but he was just too bored the first time and too depressed the second time. The Vampire Sisters could do it, but all of them realize how fruitless it is. Carmilla is the only one that kept pushing for it because she wanted to feel what it was like to be on top of the world, and most likely, the one that was the most abused of the 4.
Between these two and Isaac, I love how philosophical this show got in it's second half
I love their relationship. It's lesbian relationship goals. I need this in my life
Relationship goals in general, nothing special.
Lesbian relationship goal uwu
@@RamoneKemono I have a huge problem with the whole you know they are sisters thing
@@laisphinto6372 ...you know it's not biological sisters right? It's like how your best friend is your bro
Nah. Relationship goals. Period
It's one thing to expand territory but to conquer the world? Yeah that's too much. Car was crazy.
They know she crazy, taking over the world also means more expanding military and control so she will have to fight resistance rebellion
World domination can still be there. But they needed a decent powerbase to do so.
@@steellegion7054 That's what they were working towards with Hector and his monsters but who really wants to constantly fight for centuries to come?
@@steellegion7054 I mean even Doom gave up conquering the world like how many times
@@itsjustvin7630 Actually, Doom kept trying until the Slayer killed the Dark One, making it impossible for demons to exist outside of their dimension.
I fckin love Morana's design, the electric blue eye shadow, her eye color and the gold on her ears make her look so regal. It's such simple things that make her character stand out.
The writing in this series was just dope! Badass kills and awesome fights but the dialogues really gets u thinking. Empire fell becos they over reached, not knowing when to stop. Now to put it in the context of pseudo immortals, even this stuff will be tiring on the mind.
Villains who put their personal happiness before their own ambition.
This was even foreshadowed in season 2. Dracula said vampires find it near impossible to understand human psychology. Carmilla simply can’t comprehend how stubborn and defiant humans are!
Their whole problem was that Carmilla wanted it done *now* Their nation and forces wasn't that big to begin with and they lost a sizeable chunk in Carmilla's coup attempt.
I wonder how they sourced their blood in present state. They seemed worried about supply, but honestly as long as they weren't greedy and had a larger nation invade them they were pretty safe. Lenore even points out that they were successful because they weren't greedy before. Carmilla filled their heads with a grand dream on the power of her charisma and as Morana said, now that they were away from her they were able to see just how not worth it the conquest would be and how it was troubling that her ambition was growing ever more.
Yeah I don't know why the fuck "blood supply" was such an issue. Even if you HAVE to kill humans to get blood (which makes no sense, why not force your human subjects to cut open a vein once or twice a month?) surely there are enough humans to satisfy their demands within the confines of Styria? Unless they mean providing blood for the sisters AND the armies, but even then, the empire was never about having enough "livestock" it was about satisfying Carmillas's ego
They probably needed quite a bit of blood since they were the sole remaining stable vampire community and it looked like they had hundreds of vampires considering many were doing leisure in the library.
what a Marluxia and Larxene KH Organization moment ever, it too bad the "Axel isn't in it."
My god you’re right
"What are we even doing here?" The End
I can't help it. These characters reminded me of Guts and Casca
This reminds of the reality of working at a startup or small company trying to make some person’s crazy dreams come true.
I often think about how confused but happy the people in the nearby villages must felt after these two left. They attacked the vampires once, lost most if not all people who went to fight, but the monsters fucked off anyway.
And the worst part is that never ever came close to fight a trained professionnal army
Exactly. Just a bunch of pissed off peasants.
If they actually pissed off a kingdom or worse, someone who has hunters like The Inquisition, then they'd be lucky to last those six weeks.
STRIGA had to be the best new addition for the world of Castlevania
i hope they will make a full side series about her, truly see the potential in that
but only IF they complete the CURSE OF DARKNESS timeline first
that is the only way most of this contradictions will make much more sense
Striga makes me think of a female version of both Guts of Berserk and old choold Trevor Belmont on the NES days
but in vampire form
haha
she is cool man, honestly was hoping that she didn't kamikaze her self into Trevor and his Elite trio and that she will just go away instead
glad that is what it happened
The curse of darkness plot is already done in season 4.
I very much enjoyed the differing character progressions taken on this. Some where slight like Sypha learning to be more open and expressive and trevor learning to trust others.
Others grew more like Issac learning to stop thinking how others would think and to think for himself, or Striga and Morana coming to an understanding about what living forever actually means.
And then you have characters who didn't have character growth like Carmilla who was as brutal and manipulative from the start till the end. Or the up and down of Dracula from starting out seeming soft natured with Lisa, to going full on lord of darkness, just to end up soft and placid by the end again.
Thats the best thing about the series, it showed that people can grow, but some people don't always.
They make a lot of sense and I love these sort of scenes in castlevania. Many like them two In the series talk with deep conversations which reflects pure purpose and critical reason.
Ok so everything aside, Striga's mention of "dying of old age" has me wondering. Can Vampires die of old age in Castlevania, or is that just a vampiric euphemism?
It could be possible. Vampires' sanity tends to deteriorate over long periods of time. I imagine "Old Age" for Vampires is them being reduced to snarling, mindless bloodthirsty beasts.
No. In Castlevania, vampires do not die of old age. It is more likely she meant something like a suicide pact when they both tire of living, however long that might take.
I think what Striga meant by old age is that vampires are immortal, yes but they can sometimes be tired of living.
So vampires would somewhat fade over time similar to how Tolkien's Elves would fade in the Second Age.
Or it could have just been hyperbole.
Yea, working forever for Carmilla sounds like a damn nightmare. Glad they realized it pretty soon.
This reminds me of a doctor who episode where the doctor asks an alien who wants to take over what they will do when their revolution is done and they have to deal with the next one. As the doctor said “you might beat the next revolution and even the one after that but at the end of the day no one wins for long”
Morana mentioned a "magic reality distortion" thing in Carmilia's place. So would that mean Carmillia has been manipulating her sisters this whole time to agree with every scheme she makes? Striga and Lenore wouldn't have noticed, but since Morana is the smart one and has been away with Striga for weeks she sort of "wakes up" from that spell.
I think it's more of a metaphor.
She filled her sisters' heads with dreams of grandeur and power, without addressing the real difficulties involved.
Carmilla was a delusional tyrant living in a court of yes men. It's likely she genuinely believed it would be easy.
Even Lenore, who openly questioned her plans at the start, eventually agreed to them.
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well, they wouldn't be doing it forever if they exterminates humans. No species is ever lasting. but that apply to vampires. with a major weakness: Vampires needs humans to eat... but humans don't need vampires for anything.
And there's probably enclaves of vampire hunters out there other than the Belmont clan. The vampires will surely get fucked over eventually.
Carmilla’s conquest expansion is legit IF shes can control and produce the night creatures that more than enough to control the territories. Morana and Striga are the fitting queens to manage this conquest but deep down they just both a lover who want some peace at their end. I just love the relationship between these four vampires. There is more stories to their madness if we listen closely their dialogues between them.
It’s an honest to god shame. These two are such masters of their craft, practically immortal, and genuinely good people when you get down to it. They’re frankly human, and they have to not be human.
Their relationship is so healthy I want to cry 😢
" too much is never good, job , life, money , even people".
I really like voice acting. It sound like a normal conversation in real life
The reason, all competent leaders stop expanding after a certain point. No matter how grand a nation is, you can't deny the reality that in the end, you will have to deal with the logistical nightmare set in front of you. Otherwise, your nation will collapse. Very few people can handle that task, and almost all of them would much rather do anything else.
If you play Fallout New Vegas, Ulysses comment about the legion fits in perfectly here, in order to maintain the Empire, even when it was to create a huge feeding pen, would require more resources then they then selves could make, add in the fact that they only steal resources and it creates a problem, they have to keep conquering in order to survive, they have to fight endlessly and they’ll be halted by the sea
I love morana
Smart move, in the end.
Immortal they may be, that can live a thousand lifetimes as rulers, the years of constant rebellion and war would have taken their mental toll.
Leaving nothing but husks with scepters and crowns, drained of spirit and emotion.
Excellent character dialog. Basically realizing the whole plan would be constant work FOREVER. It just aint worth it
The best couple, along with Trevor and Sypha!