SAAB is a Swedish company. Scandinavia is merely a geo-political formation of Sweden, Norway and Denmark. The similarity is the closeness to the Scanidic mountain range and that the use of scandic languages, Other than that, thanks for a jewel of a historical clip!
Thank you for a highly entertaining and extremely educational aviation projects video. It’s stunning how you brought this largely forgotten project back to life for us to see. It’s a shame the Saab 1073 never came to be!
I remember planes that took cars and people on a schedule from somewhere around southend back in the early sixties. Those planes opened at the front. A shame you cant do it anymore. In my youth i flew in blackburn Beverly couple of times but that's yesteryear. Oh yes i've flown on a combi 747 too.
Ok ive got to say its pretty cool you got the Altus schoolhouse footage of the C17. for those that dont know those C17s are attached to AETC (air education training command) and are used for initial and advanced training of air mobility crews. If you noticed the approach being a little shaky well it probably was a first time landing in the dirt ;)
Great video, I didn't know about this concept aircraft. I'm surprised the Carvair is not mentioned here as an aircraft that preceded the 747 and had a "jumbo-esque" silhouette, it also had a nose door and a "hump" for the flight deck, it could fly as a freighter or a combi , I always thought of it as the "baby 747".
That is the most viable "crazy design that never went anywhere" that I've ever seen. And not just back in the day when anything seemed possible, even in today's market this looks like it could be viable, if they managed to make it at a competitive price. Absolutely awesome design.
With turbofan engines getting higher-bypass and of wider diameter, I keep expecting someone to go for a high-wing design. It doesn’t seem to be happening and I’m starting to think that it never will. I’d like a video about why it won’t. Are there inherent problems that rule it out?
I found this at Google: Low wings are favored for civil aviation because this puts the passenger cabin on top of the wing. Damage from non-normal landings (gear up, no runway, missed the runway, etc.) will happen to the wing, first. Thus protecting passengers. Fuel tanks are usually in the wing and having them also underneath is considered good for the same reason. A low wing allows engines to be near the ground for easy servicing. And main gear legs fit conveniently into low-wing structures.
@@memc0282 i agree with some of your statements, but disagree with the one which u said is safe for belly landings with the air fuel in the wing fuel tanks. Not nice to have thousands of litres jet fuel under your seat while the sparks are streaming.
@Marcos Enrique to add to this if that engine blows you have more of a risk shrapnel going into the cabin. The containment systems in place today are very good but not perfect.
Why is it everyone always seems to forget about the Carvair ATL-98 passenger/front loading cargo aircraft. Oh I don't know, it only preceded the 747 by years and was seen by the world during the James Bond movie Goldfinger. So your accretion about the SAAB 1073 be first with this concept for regional travel is in error.
Did the winds of change blew this channel? Previously, it's all these fantastical massive and thicc aircraft concepts, now it's smol planes? Should I be expecting that smol experimental parasite fighter named Goblin or something next? This is good stuff btw. Edit: I LITERALLY got a baby diaper ad while watching this.
Lest you forget, the Europeans already had a 737-200 competitor. The Dassault Mercure. What was learned here, is was nothing would have been able to compete with the 737. The A320 did not begin to gain serious ground till the late 90’s. The Carvair also gets an honorable mention.
Yup, though as it grows into adulthood, it sheds its T tail in favor of an adult tail configuration, drops its wings and grows its two additional turbofans. 🤣
Different part of Saab. You think of cars but Saab is still around producing remote ATC. London city airport is now controlled by people sitting in a building far away controlling LCA by cameras. Heathrow is interested and in Sweden two small airports are already controlled in this way, so SAAB are still very much active on forefront of aviation.
Military planes use the high wings and engines, but hey are less favored by commercial airlines because of increased maintenance costs. Also the Hump front end increase drag, so it is usually used only when you have maxed out size, or have a through flow cargo requirement. If you are pressurizing the cabin it also is riskier that a normal aircraft door which swings inward and can't easily open accidentally inflight.
Ooh, another design I hadn't heard of til now! Only two issues I can see: 1) There doesn't appear to be a way for the pilots to get in an out of the cockpit (no internal stairs) 2) Every regional airport would have to be reconfigured with special platforms to allow loading and unloading of passengers and cargo, since there's no internal ramp or airstairs built into the design
I like the design concept, and off hand I would say that if SAAB would have put two series this baby one and a much larger to compete with the Boeing 737 for regional flights. The key would have been, a good powerplant and that swing door.....maybe make a forward ramp style door that would open downwards. And still keep the lugage storage forwards but to the sides and top of the nose area. Maybe Airbus should take up this concept and build it with SAAB. A baby Airbus, thats a good idea.!
A nose that can open right up... never been used in the regional marketplace on small aircraft... Bristol Type 170: Hold my beer For some context, the Bristol Type 170 Freighter/Wayfarer was designed in the 1940s and was manufactured from 1945 to 1958 serving with around 20 civil and 8 military operators while the Saab 107 project (which includes the 1073) was designed in the 1960s. Although the Bristol Freighter used clamshell style doors and not the single piece door of the 1073, it is still a nose that opens to allow straight line loading
Excellent find! I'm thinking it would be the ideal aircraft to restart flying today. Regional flights will be first and will trigger longer international routes, eventually.
Good catch! More like about US $309 million today based on SEK inflation to 2.6 billion, or maybe around $75 million in 1970, based on about the 4 to 1 rate in 1980.
Those crazy minds at Trollhatten! Saab made some cool, outside the box, decisions on most of their vehicles, land and air. I miss the quirks and innovations of their cars, that carrier over from their aviation divisions. What a Saab story!
This is what you call a "Paper Airplane," it only exists on paper. Years ago I was on a tour of the "Prologue Room" at McDonnell Douglas (now called Boeing) and they were proud of the fact that every specimen or exhibit were real aircraft / spacecraft, none were "paper airplanes" that never go off the drawing board!
Cute as this plane is, while watching I noticed another problem (also listed in other comments): how to get on/off. The regional planes I tend to fly on, like the Embraer 175 or Bombardier Dash-8, have either built-in stairs on the door OR can use an existing jet bridge. Neither of those appears to be an option here, what with the "store luggage in the nose" bit. You could use roll-up stairs or ramps, but those tend to be taller than this plane, so you need new ones. And if you want passengers to access the nose for luggage, you now need a platform on top of your new, lower roll-up ramp. So in addition to buying new planes, you have to buy new boarding equipment as well. That upfront cost may have dissuaded airlines from buying it even if the plane had gone into production.
Most likely SAAB was to busy with upgrading J35 Draken and A32 Lansen with Digital Datalinks and they were also in the middle of developing the Upgraded fighter Version of AJ 37 Viggen. The Viggen platform was truly a leap in the military jet designs as it was the first serialproduced jet with a digital computer built into the frame and the first witha fully digital complete Datalink (J35 got refitted with it to) and a evolving Fighterlink which the U.s didnt have until F-22 Raptor entered service. There was even more insane engineering at this moment inside the saab hangars, so i believe they simply were to swamped to start another airframe project during this time. P.S SAAB is still alive and producing top notch military jet systems and other military assets Including Stealth Submarines A26 Blekinge and Stealth Warships for the swedish navy.
Interesting mini documentary but factually incorrect about the no similar designs for short haul having been designed and operated. A Front opening Freighter Passenger/Cargo/Combi Regional Aircraft has been not only designed and built but it also entered Operational Service. The Bristol Freighter/ Superfreighter/ Wayfarer series of Aircraft. 214 were built and they saw service from 1946 until 1958. Not only were they used in Civilian guise but also the Militaries of Argentina, Australia, Burma, Canada, Iraq, Pakistan and New Zealand purchased and operated them. A larger Aircraft the Armstrong Whitworth Argosy which had similar Clamshell front opening Doors and a Cargo Ramp door also saw service with the RAF and Civilian operators. 74 were built. Both Aircraft had a Cockpit above the Cargo/Passenger Floorspace.
You made a large oversight when you mentioned Saab in their military aircraft designs........ they are EXCEPTIONALLY good aircraft mate, the pretty decent Draken, the brilliant Viggen and the exceptionally good Gripen. Just thought I'd clear that up for you.
In a similar vein, the Bristol Type 170 Freighter (a twin radial prop), Armstrong Whitworth AW.660 Argosy (a quad turbo-prop, with a twin boom tail).... and the converted Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair... essentially a Douglas DC-4 / C-54 Skymaster with a raised cockpit and opening nose.
That's so adorable WHAT!!
What music for video?
Baby boi
It's the presidential ride for Dumbo the baby elephant 🐘. So cute!!!!
😀
7:33 rip to the guy who missed his flight.
Rip
Yes lol
:C
F
He's super early for the next flight.
SAAB is a Swedish company. Scandinavia is merely a geo-political formation of Sweden, Norway and Denmark. The similarity is the closeness to the Scanidic mountain range and that the use of scandic languages, Other than that, thanks for a jewel of a historical clip!
Yeah I thought that was a strange thing to say. Like when Americans say in Europe, it's like yeah, what country lol
@@Chris-nn3vu bc yalls countries are smaller than a lot of our states.
*Imagine if that nose door pops off, everyone on the cabin would feel what it feels to chew 5 gum*
Underrated comment
Their minds will also be blown as to how crazy the pilots are to do this experience!
Senses thoroughly stimulated.
That would be the real life "how it chews to gum five feels"
well yes... also their face would be gone from the minty-ness and the air
Very cool concept. It’s interesting to see a concept that was in a class of its own not only at the time but even today serves an unfilled niche
The British developed a similar concept called the Bristol Freighter in 1946 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Freighter
the high wing design would adapt nicely for future larger turbofan engine anyway
Deep feels for the poor fellow missing his flight!
I know!!! poor bastard :(
We are all that poor bastard!!
It looks like something Launchpad McQuack would fly on Ducktales.
And crash a lot.
DuckTales! 👍🏻
Whooh ooh
That is more likely a Fairchild C-82 Packet....
This is interesting
Affirmative
Confirmed 😉😉
I am glad that they found this, and it was explained.
@@cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245 I don't know what are you or what do you want, but I will find you and I will explain you.
It's sad that many small airplane manufacturers are mostly ignored by people!
The British developed a similar concept called the Bristol Freighter in 1946 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Freighter
Saab is probably one of my favorite plane company’s like the j29 is probably on my top 3 of favorite planes
Thank you for a highly entertaining and extremely educational aviation projects video. It’s stunning how you brought this largely forgotten project back to life for us to see. It’s a shame the Saab 1073 never came to be!
I remember planes that took cars and people on a schedule from somewhere around southend back in the early sixties. Those planes opened at the front. A shame you cant do it anymore. In my youth i flew in blackburn Beverly couple of times but that's yesteryear. Oh yes i've flown on a combi 747 too.
Looks like a plane you’d see in a cartoon
Imagine Ryan air operating this and the door just snaps off during landing
lol
Lol
They would say it’s a new fast-unloading option and charge £20 for it.
Ryanir is the world's second safest airline...
Da Baby 747
Less go
Most based comment in entire comment section
baby 747 cute little plane
Ayy I'm early too
If you think thats cute you should also check out the cars Saab made in the 1950's
@@thepeculiarswede8617 Both Saab's cars & planes were rubbish...
The Saab that had the Ford V4 engine was their best, but that is not saying much...
@@davidhollenshead4892 With that negativity on a friday night i wouldn´t wanna meet you on a monday morning.
Ok ive got to say its pretty cool you got the Altus schoolhouse footage of the C17. for those that dont know those C17s are attached to AETC (air education training command) and are used for initial and advanced training of air mobility crews. If you noticed the approach being a little shaky well it probably was a first time landing in the dirt ;)
The British developed a similar concept called the Bristol Freighter in 1946 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Freighter
Great video, I didn't know about this concept aircraft. I'm surprised the Carvair is not mentioned here as an aircraft that preceded the 747 and had a "jumbo-esque" silhouette, it also had a nose door and a "hump" for the flight deck, it could fly as a freighter or a combi , I always thought of it as the "baby 747".
That is the most viable "crazy design that never went anywhere" that I've ever seen. And not just back in the day when anything seemed possible, even in today's market this looks like it could be viable, if they managed to make it at a competitive price. Absolutely awesome design.
It’s like the C-5 and 747 had a baby
The 747 resulted from the same USAF competition that the C-5 ended up winning.
Yeah
Yeah
Such an interesting design!
With turbofan engines getting higher-bypass and of wider diameter, I keep expecting someone to go for a high-wing design. It doesn’t seem to be happening and I’m starting to think that it never will. I’d like a video about why it won’t. Are there inherent problems that rule it out?
I found this at Google:
Low wings are favored for civil aviation because this puts the passenger cabin on top of the wing. Damage from non-normal landings (gear up, no runway, missed the runway, etc.) will happen to the wing, first. Thus protecting passengers. Fuel tanks are usually in the wing and having them also underneath is considered good for the same reason. A low wing allows engines to be near the ground for easy servicing. And main gear legs fit conveniently into low-wing structures.
@@memc0282 It should be noted however that high-winged civil turboprop aircraft are fairly common in the short-haul regional market
You have the BAe 146.
@@memc0282 i agree with some of your statements, but disagree with the one which u said is safe for belly landings with the air fuel in the wing fuel tanks. Not nice to have thousands of litres jet fuel under your seat while the sparks are streaming.
@Marcos Enrique to add to this if that engine blows you have more of a risk shrapnel going into the cabin. The containment systems in place today are very good but not perfect.
Why is it everyone always seems to forget about the Carvair ATL-98 passenger/front loading cargo aircraft. Oh I don't know, it only preceded the 747 by years and was seen by the world during the James Bond movie Goldfinger. So your accretion about the SAAB 1073 be first with this concept for regional travel is in error.
Normally I'll say the engineers drank vodka while designing but idk about this
I think this time they were watching cartoons...
The drink would be Skåne Akvavit chased by Pripps öl.
Ain’t grey goose a Swede vodka?
@@TheMelbournelad - No, it’s French.
@@bunkie2100 ah right. Well actually googled it and looks like the Swedes make 4 branded vodkas. Absolut being the most well known.
Did the winds of change blew this channel?
Previously, it's all these fantastical massive and thicc aircraft concepts, now it's smol planes? Should I be expecting that smol experimental parasite fighter named Goblin or something next? This is good stuff btw.
Edit: I LITERALLY got a baby diaper ad while watching this.
Lest you forget, the Europeans already had a 737-200 competitor. The Dassault Mercure. What was learned here, is was nothing would have been able to compete with the 737. The A320 did not begin to gain serious ground till the late 90’s.
The Carvair also gets an honorable mention.
I dont know why, but I love having the cockpit sit up high above the cabin, it's more like the bridge of a ship!
You guys ever wondered what the 747 looked like at birth here it is
Yup, though as it grows into adulthood, it sheds its T tail in favor of an adult tail configuration, drops its wings and grows its two additional turbofans. 🤣
Of course, we now know where Boeing stole the idea...
@@jossdionne9810 The concept of a hump-like cockpit and nose doors was invented long before that. We have e.d. the Bristol 170 from 1945.
7:33 no one would talk about him being missed a flight
I thought the thumbnail was a mini fridge full of Pepsi cans 😆🤣
Sad that Saab is not here anymore....... 😢
Different part of Saab. You think of cars but Saab is still around producing remote ATC. London city airport is now controlled by people sitting in a building far away controlling LCA by cameras. Heathrow is interested and in Sweden two small airports are already controlled in this way, so SAAB are still very much active on forefront of aviation.
Hans Bjorkman Not to mention they still produce fighter aircraft.
Your modeling has gotten better since I first started watching you keep up the good work!
Legend has it, that he still waiting for the plane to come back.
My avatar sez your avatar is an enemy cat!!!
@@davidhollenshead4892 sir meows a lot is your enemy?
Military planes use the high wings and engines, but hey are less favored by commercial airlines because of increased maintenance costs. Also the Hump front end increase drag, so it is usually used only when you have maxed out size, or have a through flow cargo requirement. If you are pressurizing the cabin it also is riskier that a normal aircraft door which swings inward and can't easily open accidentally inflight.
7:30 poor guy :(
Awww That Baby B747 Looks Cute 🥰🥰🥰🥰😍😍!!!
You should see when they flock with the mummy 747/
When c-5 and 747 had a baby
Looks like the Bristol 170 Freighter, another awesome plane from the British golden age!
Welcome to the research-free zone.
I don't know why but I really like this concept plane.
My mom : awwww! That plane looks adorable!
Me : The plane looks awful.
Ooh, another design I hadn't heard of til now! Only two issues I can see:
1) There doesn't appear to be a way for the pilots to get in an out of the cockpit (no internal stairs)
2) Every regional airport would have to be reconfigured with special platforms to allow loading and unloading of passengers and cargo, since there's no internal ramp or airstairs built into the design
What a cute airplane!
This seems good
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that terminal building layout is a brilliant idea 💡 for smaller airports.
this had potential
I like the design concept, and off hand I would say that if SAAB would have put two series this baby one and a much larger to compete with the Boeing 737 for regional flights. The key would have been, a good powerplant and that swing door.....maybe make a forward ramp style door that would open downwards. And still keep the lugage storage forwards but to the sides and top of the nose area. Maybe Airbus should take up this concept and build it with SAAB. A baby Airbus, thats a good idea.!
The vintage Saab 900 hatchback of the plane world. small on the outside capacity of a ferry on the inside
That would have been a new age DC-3, A plane that is strangely good at anything.
This lady is going on my list of airplanes that need built.
So cute!
"Saab 1073 can land on any terrain"
*laugh in Ilyushin IL 62*
I agree with you that this is a complete no brainer
A nose that can open right up... never been used in the regional marketplace on small aircraft...
Bristol Type 170: Hold my beer
For some context, the Bristol Type 170 Freighter/Wayfarer was designed in the 1940s and was manufactured from 1945 to 1958 serving with around 20 civil and 8 military operators while the Saab 107 project (which includes the 1073) was designed in the 1960s. Although the Bristol Freighter used clamshell style doors and not the single piece door of the 1073, it is still a nose that opens to allow straight line loading
Never before have I looked at an aircraft and the name 'Big Chungus' immediately come to mind.
The wonders of aviation!
Excellent find! I'm thinking it would be the ideal aircraft to restart flying today. Regional flights will be first and will trigger longer international routes, eventually.
Perhaps review the exchange rate you used from SEK to USD. Not sure what it was in the 70s but there appears to be an issue there....
Yep! There’s no way that it adds up.
Good catch! More like about US $309 million today based on SEK inflation to 2.6 billion, or maybe around $75 million in 1970, based on about the 4 to 1 rate in 1980.
Nice Video, I really wish we could be flying these planes today
A very good design/Layout
i love this stubby plane :D. Especially the nose with a galley snack bar.
SAAB got the perfect schemes but strangely other aircraft companies dont see the benefits of this magnificent scheme.
This lil guy looks awesome - cute too. Like a cartoon drawing of a Jumbo. Great video as always!
This is a nice looking plane.
Those crazy minds at Trollhatten! Saab made some cool, outside the box, decisions on most of their vehicles, land and air. I miss the quirks and innovations of their cars, that carrier over from their aviation divisions. What a Saab story!
This is what you call a "Paper Airplane," it only exists on paper. Years ago I was on a tour of the "Prologue Room" at McDonnell Douglas (now called Boeing) and they were proud of the fact that every specimen or exhibit were real aircraft / spacecraft, none were "paper airplanes" that never go off the drawing board!
SAAB made some awesome designs 👍🏻
I remember when his videos were clickbait.... and now it is amazing true stories!
It's so CUTE!
The venerable Bristol Freighter pioneering front loading doors!
And suddenly, door opened inflight, at 30,000 feet above sea level.
people at the ground : "Wow it's raining humans"
Cute as this plane is, while watching I noticed another problem (also listed in other comments): how to get on/off. The regional planes I tend to fly on, like the Embraer 175 or Bombardier Dash-8, have either built-in stairs on the door OR can use an existing jet bridge. Neither of those appears to be an option here, what with the "store luggage in the nose" bit. You could use roll-up stairs or ramps, but those tend to be taller than this plane, so you need new ones. And if you want passengers to access the nose for luggage, you now need a platform on top of your new, lower roll-up ramp. So in addition to buying new planes, you have to buy new boarding equipment as well. That upfront cost may have dissuaded airlines from buying it even if the plane had gone into production.
Most likely SAAB was to busy with upgrading J35 Draken and A32 Lansen with Digital Datalinks and they were also in the middle of developing the Upgraded fighter Version of AJ 37 Viggen.
The Viggen platform was truly a leap in the military jet designs as it was the first serialproduced jet with a digital computer built into the frame and the first witha fully digital complete Datalink (J35 got refitted with it to) and a evolving Fighterlink which the U.s didnt have until F-22 Raptor entered service.
There was even more insane engineering at this moment inside the saab hangars, so i believe they simply were to swamped to start another airframe project during this time.
P.S SAAB is still alive and producing top notch military jet systems and other military assets Including Stealth Submarines A26 Blekinge and Stealth Warships for the swedish navy.
Wish we had that in Kerbal.
That's the cutest plane i've ever seen
Excellent stuff
We do miss this plane!!
RIP blue dot. 7:29 - 7:34. Left behind but not forgotten.
im a swede but i have never heard about saab making the 1073
It kind of looks like Saab (car), like the design fits into the car's design language. - That's crazy.
Not when you consider SAAB was building aircraft before they started building cars... (The name translates as Swedish Aircraft Company)...
Can you make a video about a possible passenger version of the Boeing Globemaster?
OMG that's soooo cuuutee
If it using fighter jet cockpit that would be coolest small aircraft im never see.
This was new for me! And i´m a Swedish airplane nerd!
How cuuuuute!
ah I remember when Saab used to make aircraft
They still do military aircraft.
@@RicardoCristofRemmertFontes but they make shitty cars 😢 they used to look and feel amazing now they’re trash 🛁
@@equisnrolly Saab doesn‘t do cars since 2012…
@@RicardoCristofRemmertFontes actually someone gave them money when they went bankrupt so they’re back and making ugly looking cars
@@equisnrolly NEVS
The Saab 1073 concept was based on the Bristol Freighter design - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Freighter
Interesting mini documentary but factually incorrect about the no similar designs for short haul having been designed and operated.
A Front opening Freighter Passenger/Cargo/Combi Regional Aircraft has been not only designed and built but it also entered Operational Service.
The Bristol Freighter/ Superfreighter/ Wayfarer series of Aircraft. 214 were built and they saw service from 1946 until 1958.
Not only were they used in Civilian guise but also the Militaries of Argentina, Australia, Burma, Canada, Iraq, Pakistan and New Zealand purchased and operated them.
A larger Aircraft the Armstrong Whitworth Argosy which had similar Clamshell front opening Doors and a Cargo Ramp door also saw service with the RAF and Civilian operators. 74 were built.
Both Aircraft had a Cockpit above the Cargo/Passenger Floorspace.
I love Found and Explained so much, it is literally just Mustard but has a consistent schedule
Like a children cartoon. Lovely design
Had this plane been designed to take advantage of modern high-bypass engines, it would have sold very well as a freighter plane.
Great! Another smart thing on the list of many, humankind misses due to profit.
It's so cute !!!! 😊
87 passengers.
Spirit Airlines tweets: 174 passengers!
Good
😍awesome!
It looks adorable idk why but it's a cute looking plane haha would've loved seeing it flying around!
Lost down the rabbit hole. That explains it.
"The Poor's man 747"
You made a large oversight when you mentioned Saab in their military aircraft designs........ they are EXCEPTIONALLY good aircraft mate, the pretty decent Draken, the brilliant Viggen and the exceptionally good Gripen. Just thought I'd clear that up for you.
I mostly cover commercial aircraft so much of my knowledge of military aircraft is lacking
Seems like the 747 and Cessna got a match.
interesting concept
Crazy plane
In a similar vein, the Bristol Type 170 Freighter (a twin radial prop), Armstrong Whitworth AW.660 Argosy (a quad turbo-prop, with a twin boom tail).... and the converted Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair... essentially a Douglas DC-4 / C-54 Skymaster with a raised cockpit and opening nose.
Cute but weird at the same time