UDO Super6 VS Novation Summit 2 Hour Special Presentation
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- Опубліковано 3 вер 2020
- Orders for patch banks heard in video: drive.google.com/file/d/1vN6e...
For those who need a spoiler: The Final Analogy / Conclusion is... 01:39:10
"The Grand Tour Luxury Super Sport, and the Exotic Track Day Car."
What do two FPGA-based Hybrid polysynths have in common? A few important things, but not as much as you'd think. Fortunately the similarities they share are some of the most important things to consider when buying something in this price range. They both sound incredibly good - possibly even the best I've ever heard. They're both similar in price. Yet on paper, the specs appear to be stacked more to one side. This video is a good example of why specs don't matter as much as most people think - especially when considering the end result; Music.
In the end, they're both winners. In fact it was my intention to make the choice even harder if you're considering either of these.
The Summit and Super6 will be put through their paces with real world applications; Productions. Performance. No Science. There's no Oscilloscope, no measurements. Your understanding at the end of this will not come from clinical observation. It will come from listening. They sound different. Amazing, and different. For everyday stuff like leads and bass, they can sound similar for sure. But when you dive deep and exploit their strengths, this is where they will blow your mind. I hope to show you a little bit of both. Which of these fits your style, your taste? If both, start saving. They're worth it. In fact I think they might be the best sounding polysynths to come out in decades.
Leave a comment and share your thoughts. Keep it positive and speak from experience, and not from speculation.
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"it was my intention to make the choice even harder if you're considering either of these" you've succeeded! Fantastic video, and gorgeous synths.
What a fun, well done, and original presentation!! You sir, have earned yourself a new subscriber. Keep it coming!
thank you for creativity and hard work putting this together - a newer and higher standard in youtube synth demos. Couldnt agree more : its about the sound!
Great video! Fantastic music, graphics, and editing! I’m still going through your custom ASM Hydrasynth patches (amazing stuff). However, the fact that I also have a Novation Peak, I’ll soon be checking out your custom patches for it! Hopefully UDO eventually develops a ‘desktop’ version, as I’m running out of space very quickly. Thanks again for all your great work, unique videos, and honest reviews!
The keybed and look of the Summit are also sublime.
EXACTLY what I was hoping for. Thank you so much!
Damn, the way you edited the musical examples really touched my soul.
Dude you really went all out and it is very much appreciated, especially for people who are wondering which analog digital hybrid they should buy
This was great, very helpful. Thank you!
lots of effort put into this one, nice! amazing instruments
Massive work! Well done!
Fantastic video and awesome sounds! Btw, I have a Pro 3 , and it does include 8d in both of the delays. Just turn on sync in the fx parameters and you'll find it in the sync frequencies.
The first track on this demo completely took me to school. I'm gonna learn to break dance immediately!
That bassline is insane and the rest sounds awesome !
We have a very serious synth here... no doubt about it !
I love the Summit for the storing of sounds and its multi timbral buttons. Also, feel like its easier to get the Summit to fit in a mix. Probably all biases because I have 80s synth sound fatigue. Well done! I'd like to hear a comparison between the UDO and Polybrute.
Your preset pack for the Super 6 is amazing bud. Wish you could make more. Thanks regardless.
AMAZZZZING REVIEW xD Love the gaming vibe & GREAT Track
Excellent presentation of these two wonderful synths. 👍🏾
I might have to get both. I’d probably get the Summit first though.
sounds great. love what you did here
Awesome comparison! Love my Summit, but that Super 6 sure is tempting too .....
Man you are super talented. That 2nd opening piece is fantastic and brings me straight back to a nostalgic 80,s movie american charts vibe. Are u producing professionally? I also enjoy your synth demonstrations and do take in and respect your opinions and views. I can never get hands on in shops with these since over in N ireland.
Great video! I personally have discovered that I work best when I don’t have to deal with an LCD screen, so that’s a huge plus when considering the two. Both are obviously great instruments, though.
What a spectacular presentation!! Great : 10 with lode. I'm a proud owner of the Summit: 100% satisfied, you can't go wrong with it
Played around with one today and it's definitely going to be one of my next purchases
I recently reviewed the Summit and it's honestly the most versatile and feature rich synth I've ever used. 10/10 recommended.
Wow ... wow ... that's fantastic !!!! 😃😄
a SUPER like for you, my friend !!!
Love these videos, btw have you tried Sequential Prophet REV2, if so, what are your thoughts on it, and how does it compare to Super6 ?
It boils down to personal taste. I don't personally care for Curtis filters much. Other than that rev two is a really capable synthesizer and I enjoyed the time I owned one.
What a video. Thanks my man.
Summit is a fantastic sounding synth but super 6 seems more like it's alive. Ears respond to the super, right half of my brain likes summit for use. I was going to get a peak until S6 arrived. Cheers for letting us hear them together.
Both sound good and useful in a production pallet. I too hear the Super 6 as more transparent (alive as you write), more in your face, up front. Major OSC has since got rid of the Super 6 stating how it handles stereo spread of the oscillators confines the sound (hard left and right), not allowing the interaction of the osc more panned in towards the center which allows them to interact in more interesting ways (If I understood his comment in a subsequent video). I am guessing he kept the Summit.
Excellent demo! Thank you very much. Which synth did the bass at 7:27-8:00 ? That is such a great classic bass tone that I would make my choice entirely based on that.
It's the Summit
@@loopman6466 not sure
Really very cool comparison video except for starting at 1:23:53 until your final thoughts...whew. Little drawn out there. Thank you though for doing this. I think I'm sold on the UDO Super 6.
The stereo effect you so rightly admire and call, "Stereo Image" at 20:57, is partially due to having the effects at the pre-filter stage. Which allows the filters to control each side of the stereo effect output rather than having it in the traditional way, post filter. You will see this implemented in other manufacture's designs. This is why when attending an exhibit hall, I try finding the small manufacturers, they often possess and have implemented great ideas into their products. Thumbs up on the task at hand.
Hi !
The video does not have subtitles. Could you include them?.
Thanks !
RIP Chris Huggett
My Waldorf iridium keyboard is begging me to get it a new playmate! I’m absolutely sure it’s a summit!
a couple minutes in and i can tell im gonna like this.
mannn i want a super 6 so bad. it will be my next synth, tbh the summit wasn't on my radar....hmmmm
I basically need all synths now and allways :)
Cool video !!✌
43:00 omg i need those Eurobeat solos in MIDI or sheet music. Is it possible to play that? I wanna try xD
Awesome demo. Are you playing your own patches on the Summit? I noticed the patch C70 Arrival which I love......
I've done a patch bank for the summit already released a few months ago. The patch "Arrival" is part of that patch bank. The patch bank is called SuperWave, it's available at www.majorosc.com
Major OSC - thanks. Just purchased the patches :-)
Great video. I want both now lol
Looks like you didnt added a Summit Chorus at 56:00 minute, so the compare isnt fair without it. Summit/Peak have a very warm chorus, once of the best i ever heard, and it's giving a very retro sounding to it. But yeas - Ude Super 6 looks like unreal warm, clear and very stereo panoramic synth.
Summit is deeper and more sonorous, Super6 is shinier and more surface. I'm as drawn to the immediate reaction to the Super6 as anybody, but I think there's a reason the Summit stuff would sit better in a mix. I'd go for the Summit, at least today, given the opportunity. :) and make a plugin to give it the Super6 gloss ;) because you can't make a plugin to give the Super6, the Summit sonorousness and tone intensity and depth
They sound equally good and are equally desirable. But at over €400 less with that reverb, the Summit is the winner for me.
Are you also routing fx and so on to aux separately in multi mode? I found that it does enormous stereo with that and dual filtering spread across - oberheimesk on “stereoids”
great work! Do u think the reverb on Summit is better than the one on Virus Ti?
The Summit reverb is imo the best sounding built in reverb on a hardware synth. I even prefer it to the Moog one reverbs.
I own Virus TI and Summit and many other synths. I'm pleased to tell you that Summit = ++++ over the TI when it comes to REV. But TI... I love TI. ;-)
I came for the comparison but that first track is an absolute banger hahaha
I dunno why but the Super 6 just sounds like one of the best synths ever to me, and I've been in pro audio for decades, it just sounds "track ready" most of the time.
Wow such fun!
How on earth did you get one of these? I have been languishing in preorder purgatory for so long!
Once I sold off the Jupiter X, the following monday (once them reverb funds became available) I emailed every known distributor in the UK. Since new distributors were being added as time went on, it presented limited opportunities to luck out and find one that just happened to know it was getting a few shipments that week. That's exactly what happened. .
Thanks for the comparison. Well done. Nice music too. Now if I would be 'young' and if I had only 2.5K in my pocket, I would never buy the UDO. My choice would be the Summit + Argon 8 desktop. Which would give you plenty more sonic possibilities. I own a Summit and a a lot more. The UDO sounds good, no doubt. I bought the Summit because it has this subtle 'dark edge' that only few synths have, like i.e. an Oberheim M12. I think the sound of the Super 6 is closer to the Hydra. The Hydra is a real winner, just like the Argon 8. That is because of the price and possibilities... If the UDO would exist in desktop version for 1.599€, I would buy it as an extra. Considering it's technical shortcomings in comparison with the Summit, I think the kb version is just a little overpriced and for that reason not a 'starter' synth but more an add on if you are really well equipped and are looking for it's specific sonic texture. But than the Summit is also an equal choice...
Think you make some good points. I’m thinking of the Summit for my one and only one hardware synth (room and wife considerations). I love the SUPER 6, but from what I’ve heard so far, the Summit comes across as a better all round ‘one only’ synth. I have a while to decide though and still have a few more options to consider.
Cool video! Could you please compare both keybeds?
Doh! good call man. F*** lol. I knew something was mising. Oh well. Sure I'll add it when I do a full review of the Super 6. That'll come once I finish a patch bank and after the firmware update. Super6 aftertouch is easier to get started because it's less stiff or requires less pressure than summit, but a little tricky to be smooth with. The Summit keybed feels still but robust and very very durable, plus it has those fat black keys lol. The aftertouch has improved over time as the keybed gets more wear and tear "broken in." No issues with either one.
The distortion on the Summit seem to be awesome
I don‘t have a lot of room for hardware synths and am very interested in the Hydrasynth, Summit, and Super6. I mainly work in the box and would want to use one of these hardware synths to also control my soft-synths.
Sound-wise, I‘d go for the either of the three. I’m slightly partial to the Super6, though.
Control-wise, I‘d go for the Hydrasynth. It also seems very intuitive to use.
The keybed is quite important to me. I have only tried the Hydrasynth‘s keybed. To me, it‘s only ok, unfortunately. The best keybeds I‘ve played was on a Virus TI2 and on a Yamaha EX5. Is my assumption correct, that out of the three, the Super6 has the best semi-weighted keybed?
Based on my above mentioned comments and requirements, which synth would you recommend to me and why?
Also, soundwise I prefer a warm and analog sound.
Hydrasynth makes for an awesome midi controller. Keybed is also great but just takes some time to break in and get used to. Best aftertouch pressure curve I've ever used. Really. If the sound matters and you still need a little bit of midi flexibility summit might serve your cause well because there's a few more midi and routing options compared to the super 6 but it is limited compared to hydrasynth. The macros on Hydra are really good for midi control because you can select which cc's they control. You can program a sequence to control your parameter mappings on your vst's. It's really cool to work with. Most of the time it IS my main midi controller. One plus for the summit is you can use the effects with any stereo input. Set it up as a send track and run any vst you want into it. There's some stuff to consider.
Major OSC Thanks a lot, man! So, I shouldn’t even consider the Super 6 then? Sound-wise, it is my favorite of the three.
@@underwatersunlight3795 well above all I prioritize sound and the user experience. The super 6 is pure fun and sounds incredible. If the midi stuff isn't as much a priority I say go for the super 6. Look at it this way. If the Super6 doesn't work out for you, it'll sell in about 5 seconds on reverb so I wouldn't be worried if I were you. Go with your initial gut feeling.
Major OSC Thanks again! 👍
You really can make synths sound unbelievable
24:09 hmm shame...yeah I always use 8th/dotted delays, they just got the best swing/movement
this video is EXACTLY what i needed. im selling my prophet 6 for a new polysynth and am torn between Super 6, Summit and PolyBrute.... I dont think i can make a wrong decision, because all three sound fantastic. this video just makes me want both of these though ahaha
Get the UDO
May I ask why you are selling the Prophet-6?
@@timmjohannesbrockmann9530 yeah, I just didn’t vibe with it. Can’t really explain it beyond that. It’s a great synth, just not for me.
@@thelightcommeth I did and I love it :)
Don't sell the Sequential FFS!
I was wondering, if you already had the Hydrasynth and Sequential Prophet/OB6, which synth would add more to my setup? I am not a great keyboard player(2 years of Classical Piano 40 years ago) but more a guitar player, so would that affect your recommendation? In any case, thanks for your videos. I am new to your channel, and look forward to watching more.
I am not sure if you asked everybody here but in case you did:
If you had a hydrasynth and an ob6, I would go for the summit, because this would add a workhouse to two synths that have that special something to them. If you had the hydrasynth and the Prophet 6, I would actually go for the super6, because you then have two synths covering all your „Standardsounds“ (and many more of course) already and you can give your setup some extra spice. I myself bought synths with lots of character first (matriarch, ob6,...) and was very happy to get a summit for all the sounds „in between“, which I now use more than any of them, because its so versatile. I hope that makes sence.
I think the Hydra is closer to the S6. I bought the Summit when it was released, and not a second of regrets.
@@himbeerjogi Your recommendations make sense to me. Either way, he would have a fully digital and a vco analog. But in the ob6 case, that is a brighter sounding vco analog … so balance with the darker Summit. In the P6 case, that is a darker sounding vco analog … so balance with the brighter S6. My personal preference would def be the Summit + OB6 combination … as I think they are the better options out of each pair (ob6 > p6; Summit > S6) … but ymmv!!
you mention the firmware update... as a fellow super 6 owner, any word from UDO on the progress? seems like the relatively simple fixes on their development document are taking quite a while
This year. Not sure when.
There's already a firmware update posted a few weeks ago
true! i saw the new firmware version but i guess it was all minor fixes because the bug list / upcoming features list is roughly the same. no shade on udo, theyve made a real sexy machine with boundless potential... just eager to see where development goes!
Abandoned for the Gemini, now?
Great video, both Synths are Amazing, Super 6 is a very Unique Synth
Every synth is unique. 😏
This track is part of my morning 80s headband bass synth workout, on repeat for a half hour. Looking forword to owning a MajorOSC party plater one day.
OMG THIS IS THE BEST VIDEO ON UA-cam
in the first comparison track, the bass from the super 6 sounds punchier, do you think its because of the envelopes or the filter?
i think it's more likely because you didn't watch the entirety of both perhaps? lol. ;) - JK. That's a subjective statement you open with though, so I can't exactly give you a solid answer. I should have mentioned this in the video; The bass (on both takes) is being modulated live at various points. In addition to that I enabled chorus 8 or 16 measures in. In creased more as the tune progressed. Each began dry with no effects. Both ended up on chorus 2 full wet. TBH Summit has always sounded about 10X more impactful or punchier for envelopes and filters, but it's super subjective, because the filter on the Super 6 exibits completely different traits that could understandably be perceived as sounding fatter or maybe brassy and rich, or perhaps more characteristic of old analog synths like the poly 6 (because it has the exact same filter as one). Interesting observation but can't say it's either of the factors you mentioned.
@@MajorOSC believe i did watch it entirely, its a great tune!!
Interesting, maybe you are right and its a realy subjective perception, it did sound a little brassyer. Glad to hear you find the filter and enevelopes in the summit fast and punchy, its a realy interesting synth and it at its pricepoint i find it realy tempting!!!
Thanks for the in detail answer!!!
The S6 seems generally brighter than the Summit … and brighter tends to cut more … ?!
I personally thought the Summit bass had more heft … and was darker …
Stereo OSCillators vs best filter of all time..... tough choice...(see whatz I did there !) however I think it would be fair to say that Summit would be a great first main workhorse synth while Super6 would be an amazing addition to an existing setup. That being Said I went REV2 because I got bargin second hand price for a 16 voice ! and it was going to be 6 months till I could afford a Summit. No regrets but you know what my next synth will be !
LOL your first sentance would have made for a great addition to the summary. The filter on Super6 is lovely, and it reminds me so much of a classic analog, but yeah, the summits filter is just bat-shit f***ing out of the world insane.
david bullock ,,,, did you get that next synth, if, what did you get...
@@tommyg5095 Well I came across a second hand roland jdxi for $300AUD. it looks like a little casio, but actually its quite impressive so I bought it. Firstly it has 400 samples of all of rolands drum kits like MC-101 etc perfect for 80's, its got two DSP synths with their own sequences, a drum track sequencer and a vocoder or Analog type syth. so 4 multitimberal 128 note polyphonic 4 part recording, with paramater recording as well. Also it acts as a digital imput so Audio to USB off all 4 tracks. look it up its a little beast. But I have decided my next big synth will be OB-6 (unless prophet announce something new) the OB-6 is the only synth that cannot be replicated by VST and brings something I cannot do on REV2 which I still argue is the best Analog modern synth in terms of versatility and range of sounds.... cheers !
@@passivehouseaustralia4406
About 15 months ago I bought a used JD-XA , and it is a great synth in it's own right... I will deffinitely look more into the JD-XI... Funny, I just never took the time to look into this one, and since I have never been around one, it never got my attention. Going to look into it for sure... OB-6... This is one of my favorites, never gonna part with this... Only wish I had bought this one years ago... Cheers.
@@tommyg5095 JD-Xa sounds great!!
Man, I really like Summit's filter. Have you ever compared it with Peak's filter?
Same Filter last I checked. - just no multi-mode ability. Ain't that much of a loss. Peak is aces for it's size and capabilities. I'd own one in addition to a summit if I had the money lol.
@@MajorOSC yep, I suspected that. I've heard people talking about Summit's filter being less "sweet" than Peak's. Since I can't test them in person, I had to ask you. Thanks a lot, man!
BTW, awesome video. I don't have the habit of watching two hour long UA-cam videos, but I really enjoyed doing it here.
@@guilhermerocha1555 hadn't heard that but that's interesting. I'd be curious to know also.
I was so enthusiast about the Peak that I sold it to buy 2x Peak = Summit !
Does anyone know of any other comparison videos of these two synths on YT?!
This seems to be the only one?!
At this point after the firmware update to the summit I think it has the clear advantage and overall is a more complete package. If you're the type who collects synths then super 6 will feel like a natural choice because of how unique it is. Summit is a powerhouse overall however and Super wave in particular is some of my best work. Go check out the previews to the patch banks for both and email me if you like them. My website is no longer running. Info@majorosc.com
Damn that sound at 9:38 (Super 6 Overview) is crazy. Did you make it with the Super 6?
Actually most of that track was made with hydrasynth lol. soundcloud.com/jameshigh/remix2-riley
@@MajorOSCWow really? Well now I'm even more undecided on which synth to get 😂 though it's looking more like the summit is gonna be my picl due to finding some on ebay type sites in my country for around half the price which can't be said for the hydra or the super6 because people probably wanna keep em. I'd love to own them all at some point though 🤩💸.
@@CookieColt if you head over to aperturesoundlab.com and pick up all the stuff available for summit you will not regret it one bit. Summit sounds amazing. If you're more into modular wacky analog gnar then hydrasynth is where it's at. Summit checks so many boxes. It's the super model wife. Hydrasynth is the slutty mistress.
Nice I love tremellow
Do you have any banks for the Summit for sale? The factory presets are awful... and there are so many in components that I don't know what's good or not.
Active Low, yes indeed. www.majorosc.com/superwave
The UDO seems more present and transparent. And in this presence it sounds like a more contemporary (newer) sound. I'm sure both have wide uses but I'd pick the UDO if I had to chose one based on the sounds you played on both synths. I think I read you got rid of the UDO because of how it assigns voices left/right with the popping in and out effect. Though I also read that UDO updated its firmware fairly recently to allow for a pan assignment of voices, though I have not been able to find any YT videos demonstrating this new stereo panning.
Got rid of it because I lost my office job lol. though good thing in hindsight as I now work full-time for Modal Electronics. The super 6 never had any issues panning it anything like that. It has a nice stereo effect in 6 voice but you'd need a mixer to pan the 12 voice mode back to center as they do alternate outputs. Not a big deal just requires a mixer. An SM10 makes for a great keyboard mixer for those tasks. An Ashley mixer ever better if you have the $
@@MajorOSC Oh yes makes sense now. I recall you saying the voice panning/popping bothered you. That honestly is a drag. But sure, pan those center through a mixer, okay that works. The 6 voice mode in stereo does sound good in the videos I've found. Congrats on the Modal Electronics work. Those instruments I liked looking at them only online. We are in an amazing time with so many choices. I started with an original Pro 1, tracking it for multiple voices in the 80's. Then came the Prophet 5, then the DX7, which was the game changer at the time. Now we have old coming back again as the newly produced analog synths, we have so many instruments even before getting into the plug in world. I personally love my Sequential Pro 3 and think it is one of my best sounding current synths. I only wished Sequential had made a poly of the Pro 3 but I know that would be very expensive so instead they made the affordable Take 5 which is not that interesting. The Pro 3 is a stunning sounding instrument and with properly written and played arpeggios you forget it's a mono instrument sure it has the 3 voice paraphony but it loses a lot of it's tone in that mode, still nice though.
@@MajorOSC If you had the money would you buy it back? To me the summit seems like a total workhouse yet the UDO sound is very individual musical whatever that means.
@@tragus44 I just bought a Super 6, already got the Summit, returned the Super 6 today. I don't really liked it..
@@walterwalter3384 i know your comment is a few months old now, but what didn’t you like about the Super 6? I have a summit on the way but reconsidering if I should have sprung for the Super 6
1:59:50 = the best analog piano sound what you can get on synthesizer without piano samples
Excellent!
Thank you!!
One time you told...
The Hydrasynth is the Mistress
The Summit is the SuperModel
I guess the UDO Super6 is the SuperFIT Model
but I wonder, is the Roland Jupiter X the DragQueen? :)
Jupiter X is an escort service sting operation straight outta reno 911.
UDO Super6 is superstar Hollywood film star!
What stand are you using for Juno, Hydra and Summit?
K&M Omega 3 tier - not really worth it. Get a jaspers
@@MajorOSC i have 2x Jaspers, 6d and 5 d 145 - i need something smaller for 3 keyboards. Jaspers is sometimes too dense, and top rows may be hard to reach. Still the best stands, with all extra modular stuff.
Bang for the buck might be a 2 tier ultimate (slanty stand) and base tier k&m Omega. That exactly the setup I'm running on my left side of desk currently. The omega base holds the main level keyboard, always the 61 key, then the slanty ultimate stand goes up the middle and behind the k&m middle bar and hold 2 keyboards at different heights. The advantage is that playing the base keyboard doesn't jiggle the upper two, as they're independent.
I thought the Summit sounded somewhat bright, until I heard the Super 6!! Lol
I’ve been comparing the ‘Sequential 6’ models, as well as the Summit and the Super 6 with each other, and just in terms of general sound/tone (ie ignoring modulation, FX differences, etc etc), it’s almost as if the Summit is like an FPGA Prophet 6, and the Super 6 like the FPGA OB-6 corollary, in terms of how their sounds would tend to fit into a mix: the Summit being generally darker/fuller sounding; and the Super 6 being brighter/more cutting - reminiscent of the SEM filter synths, to my mind … Is that a reasonable/fair, if somewhat cursory, comparison (again, just in terms of general sound/timbre), would you say?! Like most people, I find analogies useful … especially given the limitations imposed on us by YT compression ,,,
Iam hearing Thomas Dolby all the time ;)
I want more of that lydian 80s flight of the navigator fusion funk.... and those visuals beautiful... and the arcade so whisicle hilarious awesome.. I am in love with that song/video.... i want more of that kind of thing... any suggestions (the music most importantly), yours or others.. ?
You could start with SpiritCatcher as that style I played in the demo comes from my obsession with those guys in my early days of making music. ua-cam.com/video/yPacAUQCGOA/v-deo.html
@Nathanael, you'll find occasional gems on the Anjunadeep label, but more in the prior years, not so much lately. ua-cam.com/video/sht87RPODis/v-deo.html
There ya go, the good ol' Michael Cassette alias that lit up Anjundeep a decade ago. Matti Heininen and Erkka Lempiaine AKA Komytea, man those guys can produce. Huge influence on me. ua-cam.com/video/JPXXr5NCstw/v-deo.html
@@MajorOSC Wow thanks!!!
Compared to my prophet rev2 (having dco's), my peak sounds really digital (and it's what it is) , but here this is the super 6 that sounds digital compared to the summit! The summit seems all the long of your excellent demo to sound more analog to me. The difference is not gigantic, but step by step, starting from a prophet, the super 6 is really too much digital for my ears, the Summit sounding warmer. I then prefer for example the Summit bass to the Super6 one in the 1st demo. But it is a matter of taste. The Super6 has a very good sound. Thanks for the long show!
Hardware is merely a vessel or delivery system. The depth in modulation abilities and the sound designers will have a much larger impact. Hydra synth is one of my favorites and that thing doesn't have anything analog on it except for the outputs LOL. How lucky are we to be alive at a time where we are spoiled so terribly for choice. 30 years from now we're going to look back and call this the second Golden era of synthesizers
@@MajorOSC You're right we're living a new golden era for synths, even for modular ones this is the first time in history they are so loved, and bought !
Hardware is a vessel, that's true, but for some digital synth you have the bad feeling that the vessel is just containing a VST + a dedicated computer. Waste of raw materials... A Mac or a PC are already doing this very correctly and no need to change the computer when changing the VST. More ecological!
Here this is not a problem the Super 6 seems to be a very good synth. The sound is more digital than a Novation Peak to my ears, and it is less appealing, for me.
Hydra Synth makes me feel the same. But here too this synth is very capable and produce very good sounds, like the Super 6.
I think we must be happy to have so many machines available on the market, each one can find his/her own sound signature and that's a good thing.
That's really interesting cause I was thinking the same. Prophet Rev2 sounds much more analog to me than Summit. and when listening here I was expecting a similar blaring contrast but I'm just not seeing one to the same extent between Super6 and Summit. But I was curious if it wasn't just me that was thinking the Super6 here isn't sounding remarkably non digital compared to Summit like you said, maybe sounding even more digital than the Summit. Still thinking Rev2 is the way to go for a DCO-Analog sound
@@ghostfrom1950 It is anyway very difficult to analyze the sound signature of these three machines which are excellent.But I too keep a preference for my Prophet Rev2. And in second place for my Peak. The Super 6 has a very digital sound signature which suits me less. A design choice certainly because it is technically more analog than a Summit, which is creating the surprise!
@@KNHSynths I own non of these nor tried them in person. So that's very reassuring that I'm listening very critically through videos cause I don't have time to drive out to a shop that would have the majority of these to try. So that's very powerful to get feedback in a community of people who will only give biased opinions based on the brand they like and what they own. I was thinking of the Super 6 but its hybrid much like the Summit/Peak using NCO. I'll have to admit, I am biased in favor of DCO and VCO and find that computers can do wavetables and digital waves just fine. Sorry for digressing there. Thank you so much for the reply!!
first thing i do when i watch these videos is identify and inventory all the synths on the walls
same here. notice the juno decals on the deepmind. #nerdingout
At the height of it, Rick Wakeman’s stage setup [with YES], massive though it was, I don’t think ever included an Oscilloscope. Additionally, I don’t recall a YES concert attendee ever complaint about that. It’s about the SOUND in your Ear Holes, baby!
IM SOOO HAPPY I WANT BOOOOOOOTH!!!!!!
You were talking about the Super 6 pitch wheel not having modulation and saying it would be nice to have a load cell or something. There is literally an up arrow to the left of the pitch wheel to show you that you can control modulation by moving it up 😂🤣
How's that workin for ya? Never worked on mine. I saw the arrow but after checking all the modes toggled with pitch maxed out I figured it wasnt what I had originally thought. Another reason I left it is because I saw what happened to another user's pitch/mod, which was basically broken /floppy forward and back. From then on I didn't bother even checking again.
Juno60 or Super 6?
54.03, biased to one side, ive found this on the peak, i think 0 is full left & right, +127 is panned right, -127 panned left, so its naturally in stereo
I spent months researching the Summit. One day was all it took. After watching your video and hearing the Super 6 for the 1st time, I canceled my Summit order and I have the Super 6. Excellent video and custom patches. Thank you.
You must prefer brighter tones … That’s cool. 🤷🏻♂️
the summit speaks to my mind, the udo speaks to my soul
Super 6 is fantastic!!!!!!!
Summit for the bottom end the UDO for the top end.
Just love this
I ordered a polybrute but man im torn between the poly and the super 6!!
I'd say give the Polybrute a try first. If you don't like maybe we trade lol
Major OSC haha! Love it! Shoot I may just take you up on that.
Is it me or are there biscuit dogs in the winter pit?
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Finally someone noticed lol
leaning towards the Summit yet both of them would get a workout..
Summit might be more feature-rich but judging by this video it seems more arduous to develop or surf through unique/distinct sounds on the Summit. To my ears this video showcased muuuuuch more sonic/aesthetic variation on the Super 6. Super 6 sounds like crazy-subtle, beautiful synthesis, while Summit simply has a nice full yet familiar sound.
Summit More Baby ....
Where is the thick, soft lead sounds? (Ok, I know: in the Moog...)
You want fully analog - preferably vcos …
They tell me that the internal effects aren't that great on the Udo.
They aren't as great in the Summit to, REV2 and Prologue got better effects then when you put single mode you got like twice the signal coming that can make bad phasing effects. And got like a internal limiter in that make you like digital clipping noise internaly even when you like -3db in the daw
If you mean the amount of effects on the US6? Yes, there’s only a delay and chorus. But they sound great. If you want lots of effects I hear the Summit has a great reverb and more options.
@@overload8741 … What?! Summit’s effects, especially the reverb, KILL anything in the rev2, prologue, about any synth yiu want to name (except the likes of vintage Juno choruses, etc). This is pretty widely acknowledged …
1:15:00 in sounds like a Jupiter 4
No, Jupiter 4's don't sound like that.
That pop filter placement on your microphone defies all it's purpose. It needs to be lose before your mic, if your mic is poking through than it doesn't do anything. It can't filter out pop sounds.
The sm-58 has a pop filter built in to begin with. The placement of the attachment is a bit irrelevant in this case. Its just completely unnecessary to begin with. The stand I got came with the pop filter. Eventually I removed it.
don’t have either one to my ears the summit sounds better the harmonics of it tie better with its filter the super 6 the oscillators don’t seem to lock with the filter nice va synths with analog filters. Have you try the mfb synth pro same ssm type filter plus a multi filter with analog oscillators 8 voices
I'd love to try it. Not a likely possibility though. Most of my synths were payed off over time. Most of mfb is sold at places without financing.
So the answer is I need both... keep my summit and add super 6 🤣
Precisely Marty! Precisely!
Whoh doc this is heavy!
I already have a Summit and will have a HydraSynth shortly. With those two keyboards in my studio, plus five other 49 and 61 keybeds, I'd love to add a Super 6 module. That would give me the best of all worlds while saving some space (and hopefully several bucks to boot!). We'll see if they offer a desktop or rackmount unit.
@@tedstahl3794 Yeah - can’t see why one would get the S6 KB-version …
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Well, now that there is a module, I must admit I am seriously tempted. Honestly, if I didn't have other boards already, I'd consider the S6 KB - It's very nicely laid out. However, these days I'm trying to get the most out of what I already have. Peace.
The Summit wins in terms of having a superior VCF, more features, and excelling at bass sounds.
The Super 6 wins in terms of lush pads/ambient textures, leads, and appearance (yes, it matters to me).
Not sure about the pads part (summit seems generally darker, with a gooey-er filter … s6 seems generally brighter … so I guess it depends whether you want more Juno-6 or Juno-106 pads …), but I agree on the rest …
Upon hearing both, I conclude of my own hearing the Super 6 from UDO is superior in sound, operationally, the filters are first rate, the modulation possibilities are crazy, the sample rate is pretty high giving you a full well balanced end sound, and true stereo. Super 6 wins for me !
It’s definitely brighter - and maybe ‘clearer’ - sounding, imho …
My top 3 are Prophet6, Super6 and Polybrute.
Interesting. The latter two are rather bright synths … but I wouldn’t say the P6 is …
@@kierenmoore3236 I since changed my mind, I no longer like Polybrute that much and not to fond of P6 either :) For some reason I much prefer Rev2 to P6.
Was never a fair fight. Super 6 sound is much more musical and inspirational.
It’s brighter. 🙂
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