I was Groomed as an Autistic Teen | AUTISM IN GIRLS
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- ***This video discusses a form of sexual abuse known as "Grooming." If you are not comfortable listening to details of what this abuse entails and my personal story on how I was Groomed, please skip this video. TW.
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In this week's video of Wired Different, I talk about Grooming. I discuss what it is, what the signs of it are, the link between someone's Autism and their vulnerability to be groomed, and my personal story on how I was Groomed starting at 14 years old.
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They need to teach kids in school about grooming and what to do if it starts to happen to you.
I agree. However, many schools have "Abstinence-based" "sex ed," and they focus on shame and guilt rather than comprehensive education that focuses on well-being. Some see these programs as grooming because of the lack of info about consent, sexual health, etc.and the emphasis on "traditional," patriarchal, cis/het marriage. With these programs in schools, many American children are getting info at school that puts them at more risk rather than making them safer.
Exactly. This is a major problem. We don't teach children & teenagers to reach out to adults when *other children and teenagers* may be in trouble.
Can you imagine?
"Nurse, I believe my classmate goes hungry at night." Ok, this is difficult to address but let's see what we can do.
"Dad, everyone at school says this girl has an older boyfriend. Like, way older, and he's the coach." WTF, we're going to the principal now.
Unfortunately, some schools encourage grooming.
My mother taught me about internet predators but she failed to mention they weren't just old creepy men, they were 20 year old emos and college students preying on young girls too.
yeah, and they shouldn’t fearmonger about it
I'm 57, and I only discovered I have Autism a few weeks ago. I was groomed as a 5th grader by an older guy, and I, too, fell for all the lies, believed he loved me, experienced heartbreak alone, and lived with guilt & shame for decades. To make matters worse, I'd see the man every year in adulthood when I returned to my home town for July 4th celebration at my parents' house. He would always come into the yard and speak to all my family members; his parents lived just up the street. To top it off, he'd often mis-identify me as my older sister, who was his age, and who I look a LOT like. Every year I had to play it off as nothing when he appeared.
Then, a couple of years ago, I was back home for my aunt's funeral, and the gossip around town was that the man had SA'd a cognitively disabled adult woman who could NOT have consented. I don't know how he was caught, but he's in prison now. I am disturbed at the thought of how many victims there are between me and the last one. I never told; I believed no one would believe or support me, and I think that's accurate. I didn't feel safe to tell, so I just carried it.
Just a couple of weeks ago, I went back home and went swimming at the lake where he groomed me. I am reclaiming my hometown for myself after decades of avoiding it in fear of seeing him. I feel free and can enjoy pleasant memories I made there instead of always safe-guarding my mind against the pain, guilt, and shame.
I'm glad you've made these painful discoveries at a much younger age than me, and I wish you well on your healing journey. I hope that the man who hurt you is no longer coaching or has access to young girls. I'm sorry for what you've had to suffer, and I'm glad you're talking about it and unburdening yourself. Be well, sister. It's not your fault; you were a child. He mis-used his position of power to prey on you; that was morally abhorrent and a crime. You didn't deserve to be abused that way. You are not responsible.
Take care of yourself. Thanks for making this video.
I'm so glad to read that you're reclaiming your space now, you're such a strong person for real :)
Similar thing happened to me, even into my adulthood I kept falling for manipulative people because of my naivity?? and it made me pretty much lose all my trust in people. One man even lied that he had a terminal illness and faked it in depth and manipulated his way into my life in such creepy ways! Yikes.
Do you (or anyone) have any tips how to learn how to catch on if someone is okay or not and how to get a little trust in ANY human being back? If you don't wanna respond I understand too of course, it's just that I stumbled upon this by coincidence and recognize it and am still struggling with it but nobody can give really helpful information from the sideline.. I'm about to go full hermit mode :p
@@explodingdog I'm sorry for what happened to you. I, too, fell for several manipulators, and after my last disastrous relationship in 2012, I decided to put my safety and well-being first and accept the single life for good. I poured myself into my teaching career, but after being targeted for harassment for anti-racist, pro-LGBTQ, pro-student rights work by local right wing bullies, I retired early. I joined 2 local community groups right away, but when leaders wouldn't hold religious leaders to account for following pandemic protocols, I left them in horror. I cannot sit idly by while community leaders put members at risk--not even for religious reasons. After 30 years in this town, I've run out of energy to try to fit in.
I have not figured out how to know if people are a threat to my well-being, so I've pretty much gone full hermit.
I have a few true friends, and a couple of musicians that I play with, but I spend most time alone, in the garden, in the woods, at the lake...Nature never disappoints. Feeling safe is far preferable to the turmoil of being in relationships w/ users. I hope for good things to come your way. Take care.
@@mizotter Oh my gosh, what you're saying sounds SO similar it's crazy. My last relationship was this year too and it was such a rollercoaster that had been going on for years and I just couldn't go on anymore, I felt like it was draining the last energy I had in me. I've been saying since a while now I want to just move away to a quiet place somewhere surrounded by nature, because I feel like I'm dying here with HORRIBLE neighbors and noise and shitty people constantly around me like they are in my house, and no 'safe' place to withdraw.. Wish I had the possibilty to actually move and I'd do it in a heartbeat!! Not sure how much longer I can do this, fighting to survive in this 'society' never seems to end, does it..? I felt it when I was a child, it never started feeling any different unfortunately even if I'm trying to adapt but to be honest I'm sick of 'adapting' because nobody gives a hoot and people are still nasty scumbags.. lol sorry but I seem to walk into the worst ones then I guess ;) And my best friend who was wonderful died in 2019..
@@mizotter Thank you so much for responding by the way and so fast too!
@@explodingdog I feel much the same way. I can't move for $ reasons, so I've just decided to focus on what gives me joy and avoid groups.
I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. I lost 2 sisters in 2020 (to cancer, not covid), and I know that grief can also really affect us. I find nature much more comforting than most people.
Losing my sisters has made me feel WAY more vulnerable, but finding out I have autism has helped me understand so much of my life. It's quite ironic, since in my teaching career, I was known as the English teacher who worked especially well w/ people w/ autism! I even did a teacher research project on autism! LOL!
when i was 8, my mom got a new boyfriend. he took a special interest in me. he would call the landline to talk to me and let me go on about what i was interested in. then he married my mom. he treated me like a princess, and i started calling him "daddy" and he was my world. the grooming was so gradual. i didn't realize something was wrong until i was a teenager. i remember thinking, "that girl on tv probably doesn't spoon with her dad with his hand between her thighs. i don't think this is normal." i didn't stand up to him until i was 14. then all my adoration turned to a toxic hate. and i still didn't tell my mom what was going on because i didn't want to break up our family. i acted like everything was fine. it took about a year before my mom saw through my act and asked me why i was so angry at my dad. i told her that he molested me, which was true. but i told her that it only happened once because i was afraid of looking "bad" for participating in this relationship for so long. even though i lied, she believed me, and kicked him out of the house. she asked me if i wanted to press charges but i was so afraid of being honest about my role in the story, because what kind of sick kid actively kisses their dad like that, and says yes to that attention over and over? i still struggle with that guilt, even though i know it was all him. he made it normal, and loving, and special. i've been more honest with my mom in recent years, but i still don't think she fully understands the scope of what happened. the cherry on top of this story? he's still a part of my life because my mom never became financially independent from him. they owned a business together, and now she's disabled and can't work. she eventually had to move back in with him because she couldn't afford her home. and then they reformed their relationship because "he's been to therapy over what he did to you and he feels so sorry for all of it. he's different now." i don't believe that for a second. i know that he's a master manipulator, and a twisted individual, and people like that don't change. i'm almost 30 now. and i am preparing to go no contact with him. last week, i closed the bank account that he helped me open as a teenager. he was joint on the account and could transfer me money anytime i needed it. all of our accounts, his, my mom's, and my younger brother's were all linked. and we used that to take care of each other when someone was struggling. i threw away that safety net to set my own account, separate from my family, all so that someday soon, once i get the rest of my stuff out of their house, i can finally set my boundaries. i will keep arranging my world so that i never have to see his face again, because every time i do, i go right back to those memories, the shame, the confusion, the righteous fury, it all comes flooding back. thank you for sharing your story. i wasn't going to share mine until after my no contact plan was completed, but listening to you describe your encounter with grooming made me want to share my own, and now i have. i feel angry right now, having brought it up, but i also feel lighter. and i hope that maybe some mom will read this, and be mindful that it does start out so innocent. my mom thought she had found a loving man who took an interest in her kids, and it was the best thing ever. i still love her, but she was wrong, and he was sick, and my life changed forever because of it.
Hey Kitty, thank you so much for sharing your story with me. You are so incredibly brave to do so. I’m sure it brought up so many bad memories, but now you’ve gotten it off your chance and hopefully it can help you move forward! I know once I did this video I stopped feeling overly guilty. I still do at times, but it’s much better than it was. I know you said this, but I just want to reiterate that this wasn’t your fault AT ALL. I’m sorry your mom has decided to believe his lies and not take your side. You separating yourself from your family is the right thing to do in my opinion. I know a lot of people will never disown family, but family can be the worst people in your life sometimes. Those people need to go because you have to put yourself first. I’ve done that with family members and my life has been better ever since. You deciding to make that same decision is amazing and you should feel so proud for that. Best of luck with moving forward. I’m praying for you. God Bless 💙💙💙
I'm sorry that happened to you
Congratulate you on seeing the need to go no contact and set your boundaries. The financial dependence piece is huge in frustrating such attempts and could suck you back into contact (even when one knows that the people have not changed from being abusive). So it is very wise of you to separate yourself financially first, as this will be the cornerstone to maintaining your boundaries in no contact successfully.
That sounds like an incredibly immeshed family unit, congrats on pulling yourself out. It is unfortunate that victims feel the shame that the perpetrators should be feeling. I hope that without them you find or develop a healthier and strong support system
In addition to the grooming, this is CLASSIC Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It’s not your fault. You are just a caring person. That’s not a bad thing! ❤
You have absolutely NO reason to feel ashamed. You were not pathetic. You were a child. Don't be so hard on yourself
Olivia I just want to say thank you. I am autistic and wasn’t recognized until adulthood. Looking back it makes so much clearer for me. Particular my story of being abused over an over. This solidarity is so rare. I love your videos, keep it up darlin
Thank you so much for the support, Elizabeth! 💙 And I'm so sorry that you have been abused as well. We are strong and we can get through this. I'm here if you need me.
@@OliviaHops thanks love ❤️ your videos and you putting yourself out there means the world to me, and your videos have been super helpful explaining some stuff to my partner I hadn’t been able to on my ownz
I'm autistic and was groomed by my first long term relationship. I was 17 and he was 23 when we met online. He groomed me and go to know me with the intent of becoming sexual the second I turned 18 knowing that I was inexperienced and this was my first relationship. I didn't know it was wrong. He abused me emotionally, gaslit me constantly and went through all the steps above.
17 to 23 is not an awe difference.
@@OnlyBobGreenif she didnt have enough maturity to properly consent it was still grooming. Do you know that even an husband can r@pe a wife?
@@etcwhatever Oh yeah. Lets say a 35 years old gets in a relationship with a 55 years old, then, when the relationship ends, years later will the person that was 35 at the time of the relationship establish it as "grooming" because she/he wasn't mentally mature enough to properly consent. Stop f'ing taking responsibility off the hands of young adults. 15 years olds, 100 years ago, had more responsibility than most 20 to 30 years olds today.
@@OnlyBobGreen1. There is a world of difference between a 17 and 35 year old.
2. A 17 year old lierally is a child and their frontal lobe is significantly less developed than a 23 year old
3. Obviously everything like this needs to be looked at on a case by case basis. But it is pretty cut and dry that somebody in their 20s shouldnt be dating underage teens.
4. This isnt a case of two fully grown adults. This is a case of an almost fully mature adult at 23 in a relationship with an immature 17 year old
5. Men often target younger women and girls because they are easier to manipulate and control.
@@OnlyBobGreenalso, 15 year olds 100 years ago were still 15 year olds. Girls just did not have any agency over what way their lives went.
My daughter is 12 and moderately autistic. She is a hopeless romantic already so im always on guard with her where she goes and I just overthink myself to death in hopes this doesn't happen. Your so strong speaking about this and it's nothing to be ashamed of. He should be ashamed. I feel bad for this wife! Disgusting.
Thank you for being aware and looking out for your daughter's safety. I'm a retired high school teacher, but I have to say that predators are not rare among teachers, coaches, and youth workers of various stripes. Stay vigilant.
Yes, please keep vigilant. I'm in a similar situation... a family member is a young autistic female and keeping men away is like swatting flies away from a BBQ grill 😂 freaking non-stop!
It's extra hard because it's completely normal to become infatuated when one is a teenager (and yes, even young adults) and obviously we want people to experience life.
The key is constant communication and becoming very involved in their lives. We just can't leave an autistic person call us every 3-7 days from college from their own free will (like most kids 🤣) we have to be way more involved.
You are an amazing mom for knowing how your daughter's mind works and for being so aware! She is so blessed to have you. And the weird part is, his wife was kind of involved in the grooming too... I didn't mention it because the video would have been like an hour long, but she wasn't an innocent bystander. Super weird.
@@OliviaHops oh no! I'm sorry this happened to you. Wow what a hairy situation. 😥
My daughter has high functioning autism and she was groomed by a much older neighbor of ours. It didn't last as long as Olivia's case , but she was traumatized. He touched her inappropriately, she freaked out and ran home. I feel bad because I didn't fully realize what was going on. I thought I was watching out for her, knowing she is vulnerable and also a hopeless romantic. It could have been much worse, so I am thankful it did not go further. ~ Heather ~
I didn’t find out I have autism until this year at 23. This happened to me when I was 15 too...and again at 18. You aren’t alone. Thank you for this
I'll add that I had a "boyfriend" when I was 15 and he was 21. Luckily, once I got to know him, I didn't like him at all, he kind of made my skin crawl. He made it very hard for me to "break up" with him since I didn't want to be mean to anyone back then. He would act like if I left he would be devastated, etc. Luckily my dad intervened. He'd never liked me dating him in the first place. Back when I was that age, no one had the understanding of these things they have now. Also, I've learned that "being mean" toward someone trying to manipulate you with their feelings is a healthy thing to do.
Today I started to link the dots... I was also 15, and he was also 20. I can't remember a lot of our relationship, and it lasted like 5 years... My parents kinda liked him, I think they were clueless and tried to respect my choices without giving me safety net to tell them that I don't want to do some things. Pf, I was thinking I want those things too, like sex, sex toys... I was curious, but it went too fast and with toxic man. I think I have no memory of that because of trauma he gave me.
Victimization goes further than "minors cannot consent". Even if you could legally consent or were mature enough to consent, the "groomer" (aka abuser) is manipulating you emotionally and mentally. They are convincing you, their victim, that they love you and want to provide for you when that is not the case at all. Really the only thing they want is control. What you invited was the relationship you BELIEVED you were going to get and give. What you invited was genuine love, genuine affection and genuine mutual care. You are not to blame for someone manipulating and abusing you and betraying your faith. Ever. Whether you are 9 or 99. Even if you wanted "the relationship" - you were never given the true relationship; you were only given a manipulative illusion. No one ever wants or invites a manipulative illusion. Ever. EVER.
You're so right. Thank you for commenting this (and for watching).
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Yes, thanks for this clarification. I know Olivia said this can happen to adults, too, and I didn't understand why if part of the problem is that minors can't consent. The thing I hate about these situations is that they look the same as the real thing. It can be months or years before it starts to feel bad. How can you know the difference before it's too late?
@@nightyew2160 also what’s even more disturbing is that many people think that the moment someone turns eighteen that they’re a legally consenting adult, which is true legally, but might not be true mentally and emotionally. Maturity can take years to develop, and a lot of times people don’t really start to fully become and adult until they’ve started to do things on they’re own, like getting a car, getting your own place etc. Heck, it’s been scientifically proven that the brain doesn’t fully mature until about 25-26. It’s so god dang disturbing, you’ll see people wait until someone’s eighteen, to start pursuing them romantically/sexually. And the law technically supports that even though they’re still technically reliant on their parents for a lot of things, or just making steps to adulthood.
Mine started grooming when I was 12/13. Nothing physical happened until I was age of consent. But looking back, I can see the love bombing, the brainwashing, the manipulation, conttol, the need for secrecy, etc. It took me 3 more years until i escaped him. I’m 38 i didnt even see it as abuse until recently. I only FELT it as such until last fall. When i heard he died, i was ANGRY. So many memories came flooding in and they havent stopped.
I just recently got diagnosed at age 23 after watching a lot of your content and that of other autistic women and afab people. One of the hardest things to process since realizing I'm autistic has been unpacking all of the subtleties and social cues I missed that led me into similar situations. Thank you for being willing to speak about this, it makes me feel heard and it's helping me understand that those things aren't our fault.
#Solidarity
You just explained so many relationships I've been in... And I feel stupid too. I still get messages randomly from a few guys from years ago every now and then. And I fall for it every time. I'm 30 at the end of this year and I'm terrified of ever being in a relationship because of this. I can't tell if someone is genuine or not. I wish I could...
Me, too. Sending you lovingkindness. One thing I noticed in my pattern of taking toxic men back is that I was MUCH more susceptible when fertile. You may want to check your cycle and plan ahead to avoid them when you're most vulnerable. Be well, friend.
I'm so sorry this has happened to you, too, Ashley. Please know you are NOT stupid. I know it's easier said than believed, and I'm obviously struggling to believe it myself, but neither of us are stupid. I fall for the texts every time, too. But, we are strong, and we can get through this. I'm here for you if you ever need anything. Also, you will find your person in time. There is someone out there who will genuinely love and care for you. 💜
I was with a narcissist for 10 years.. I didn't even get it at all, not until he became physical with his abuse. He would gaslight me all the time, and I wouldn't see it. I know that people often find me rude, and that I don't communicate well, so I researched communication to do the best I could. Lol. It was also nice to have someone around who was assertive and was good at making the little decisions that would take me forever to make. I felt like an idiot for a while because I never even realized that he was subtly putting me down and trying to isolate me. It didn't work, but I couldn't bring a person into our house without his permission. So I'd just go other places to hang with people. I thought he just didn't want other people's smell in his house.
Thank you for sharing your story! As a mom of a young autistic girl, I deeply appreciate your honesty. You are helping me help daughter. 💜
I'm so honored I could help you help your daughter, Amy! Thank you so much for watching and for your support. God Bless you both 💙
Same here!
show your daughter these videos. Don't just "tell her" or "help her".
That guy sounds like a narcissist. They start “love bombing”, giving gifts and attention. They get you addicted and then pull back, causing you to feel confused. Then, when you react negatively they start gaslighting you, denying anything is wrong and making you feel crazy! Eventually, they discard you, and after some time start “hoovering” or sucking you back in! This has happened to me a few times as an adult, and it’s disgusting that he did this to you when you were a child!
Wow, that’s awful you’re very brave to be able to talk about it.
People like that are so sick. It’s even more disgusting when they target people like us, who have a harder time picking up on the situation. This needs to be stopped
This happened to me at 19...and he was my friend's 45 year old step-father. People still blame me for what happened, but I no longer blame myself after learning that I am autistic, and learning about grooming!
I've just had a really big breakdown. I cannot mask anymore. A sex predator tried to be "nice" to me and ultimately tried to enter my home today.
Bless your heart. You are not to blame. He is/was utterly despicable and manipulative. You were gullible, not stupid. You are an amazing, courageous young woman. Thank you for sharing your story. There is no telling how many young women you will have helped by speaking out. 🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻
I am soo proud of you. You are brave. I think everybody should watch this video - autistic or not. Your straight forward description of the process of grooming is better than what I can explain to my teenage kids. And then to follow up with your own experience showing how it correlates to those steps is powerful. He still has a hold on you while you experience shame and embarrassment. Please free yourself of holding yourself accountable or responsible for what happened to you. Predators have an evil ability to identify people who can be susceptible - adult or child. And their patience is otherworldly. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I pray that it is a monumental step in your healing.
Hi Jenny, thank you so very much for this comment. It means the world to me and really made me feel better. Sharing my story for the first time did actually help. I feel a weight has been lifted. Still a lot of healing to go, but I do believe this is the first step. Thank you for your support. Again, it means so much. 💙💙💙
I had similar experiences growing up. I couldn't figure out why I was always the target over other people. Now that several people suggested I'm autistic, it makes a lot more sense now.
Listening to this was like an autobiography. The whole saving texts and staring at them, being groomed for years, being led on and left on read... I really feel for you. And being neurodivergent makes this SO much harder. I'm sorry this happened for you, but you're definitely not alone.
This video was triggering for me, and I wrote a long post and then deleted it, because I realized that what I really want to say is this - women and girls with autism, especially if they are undiagnosed (I was diagnosed at age 58 - 6 years ago) are especially vulnerable to sexual assault and exploitation, for a long list of reasons, but there are very, very few therapists who have expertise in dealing with both autism in females, and healing from the PTSD of sexual assault and trauma. The autism community needs to talk more about this. Right now I am struggling to find such a therapist (that I can afford, which is a whole other issue, even though I am in Canada) and it is discouraging and frustrating. On the other hand, at least now I am clear on the issues I need to address, so I will keep going until I find someone who can help me. Thanks Olivia for posting your courageous, honest video.
This story really went straight to my heart. I know exactly how you’ve felt, I feel so ashamed of being so naive in relationships. If someone is nice to me, I have such a hard time not wanting to cling to them because they feel safe. It’s all I’ve ever wanted, so it makes sense why people on the spectrum can fall into this trap. The thing is, it’s not our fault because we’re honest and genuine with our feelings and then expect everyone else is too. I hope by telling your story, you also got some healing. Thank you so much for sharing, this scenario has happened to me as well and I also feel lucky that it didn’t get as far as I would have been willing due to circumstances. God looks out for us, I truly believe that.
You need to inform the school district where he is employed. People like him don’t stop. I am sure he has a new person he is grooming. Also, you have legal standing to sue him and his school district. If the statute of limitations has run out, you can sue through a civil suit. He needs to lose his teaching license or he will do this again. I am so sorry this happened to you. Good luck!
Thanks for watching my video, Mary. He no longer coaches, and hasn't since he coached me 11 years ago. So thankfully, he is no longer around kids. Obviously he could still find victims another way unfortunately, but he at least no longer coaches teens.
Really useful video cos you are demonstrating how gently and insidiously grooming can occur. I’ve been groomed as ‘a friend’ for financial reasons a few times. It really hurts.
I'm so sorry you have been groomed yourself. Thank you for watching my video and supporting me. I hope you can heal from your trauma, too 💙
As a neurotypical… I related to this really hard. Thank you for speaking out about this because my experiences were also never physically sexual and because of that I feel like people don’t think it’s that bad. There are many ways people can hurt you that can feel just as awful. (Not downplaying physical sexual abuse by any means) Especially as a young teenager when everything is intensified emotionally. Every time I would go back I knew I was so stupid to but depression and the craving for feeling special.. it’s a lot and I still feel dumb and hate on myself for it for welcoming him in each time. It’s taken time to heal and realize I deserve better. Things like being ghosted, gaslighted, and groomed are all so awful and I feel like it’s not taken seriously because “well it’s not as bad”
As difficult as this was for you to do, thank you for taking the time to share your story. My hope for you is that in time, you will be kinder to yourself about what happened to you as a minor. An adult, you trusted, took advantage of you and it was not your fault. My concern is if this person is still involved with coaching.
You ARE brave
Olivia, your story is mine. A coach at age 14 wrapped me around his finger, took advantage of me emotionally and sexually. then dumped me and called me a slut to my teammates and caused them to reject and ignore me. I was alone and couldn't tell anyone because I thought I was responsible... And I too felt responsible for years, probably 20! It was when I had children of my own and could see their innocence and how even at 15 many girls are so vulnerable to an older guy's attention that I really saw the truth.
I really want you to be free from shame about this. Please hear this: you are not/were not stupid for for being young and naive and innocent. That's exactly how you should be at that age! You are not stupid for having perfectly normal feelings in such a situation. He was a crafty manipulator and It's all on him - ALL of the responsibility.
It takes courage to get the truth out in the open and expose the lies, and I hope you feel greatly empowered by doing so. Good for you Olivia. Thank you so much for sharing. And BTW, I .do not deal with ASD personally... Sadly, Grooming happens with many many neuro-typical girls as well
I'm sorry that happened to you
Oh Olivia!
Thank you so much for the vid! I’m 48 and just found out I’m autistic. And this vid opened up my eyes to my history teacher who talked me into joining the swim team that he coached, and then went scuba diving with on the weekends…. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Don’t feel dumb at all! You were totally played. Esp the part where he told you he wasn’t necessarily with “the one”, told you that you were both twins then said he loved you. He was rationalizing against your own instincts to not get involved with a man already taken - saying he wasn’t taken and that you were the one he loved. Your sense of morality and not wanting to do that to another woman was used as added insurance to keep you quiet has anything gone wrong with his plan. It was totally calculated! Think about it - any other guy that was in a similar but “co”’adult relationship would have said “we’re breaking up.” But he knew it f he said that it would have lead to a more open and intimate relationship with you that could/would have landed him in jail. Please don’t feel bad on ANY level
Very proud of you for telling your story. I hope you’re able to release the shame you feel towards yourself because none of what happened to you was your fault. You’re so strong!
Thank you so much for this comment, Morgan. It really means so much to me. Telling my story for the first time ever has definitely already released some heavy weight off of my shoulders. Thanks again for your support 💙
You’re so brave to speak out about this. It’s TOTALLY not your fault. Sending you virtual hugs 🌟 Thank you
You are not pathetic Olivia. You were a child and an adult took advantage of you. That’s it.
I’m so so sorry this happened to you. You were a child and you should’ve been protected. This is not your burden to hold, but the scars that it leaves are so valid. We all stand with you
Thank you so much for this kind comment, Keeley 💙 you just made me feel so wonderful. Your kindness means so much to me. Thank you for taking the time to write this comment. God Bless 💙
You are so courageous for sharing this incredibly personal story. It’ll help a great number of young women navigate through this horribly common practice. 🙏
Thank you so much for this comment, Kim. It really means a lot to me. I hope this can help anyone who is going through this. God Bless 💙
That is just so sick and twisted, thank you for telling your story, for me it helps me too to know that it wasn't my fault and I'm not alone in this, giving some of my mental strength back. I'm getting so tired of being lied to by people and not understanding why nearly everyone is lying about important things and unimportant things so much. People in the comments are right, they definitely need to teach children about this in an understandable way at school to prevent as much as possible and help them protect themselves better. I know it's not all the school's job but I wish someone would help kids because a lot of parents just don't care, mine didn't for sure, or others might be too busy I don't know..
I'm so sorry this happened to you as well. But yes, it is NOT your fault. I know it's so much easier to say to someone else than to believe yourself, clearly I'm in that boat. But reading all of this amazing comments has already helped me feel a little better, and I'm so glad my video could make you feel a little better. God Bless 💙
Olivia, he (the groomer) is a narcissist. Have a look at Dr Ramani's channel on Narcissism and toxic people. It'll help you heal from the toxic abuse you endured. I also had repetitive encounters with narcissists, so did a deep dive into understanding it. I HAD to know. Now, I can spot them a mile away, and can forgive myself for missing the cues. Thanks for what you do on this channel - heaps of value for me. Cheers.
Yes!
Hi Olivia, I have recently been diagnosed with ASD. I too was groomed by someone close to me, my grandad.
It started when I had just turned 16 and didnt end until I was 19. Like you, it's been a very long time.. 11+ years. You should be proud of yourself for opening up about this. I am still going through a bad time and I'm 29.
I'm sorry that happened to you
Don't feel ashamed or stupid :(
Teenagers and especially non-neural typical ones can feel an extreme desire to belong and to be loved. Finding someone who 'gets you' is truly intoxicating, and its already hard enough for us to see the red flags when we got the blinders up and already have a hard time navigating relationships with others. These people go after the young and or vulnerable for a reason, we are easy pickings for them. Really imagine how you would feel if you found out this happened to a loved one instead of you. You wouldn't think they were stupid. You don't deserve blame, because there is no blame to give you. I am really sorry that happened to you. Thank you for sharing your story. I have a young daughter and I hope I can really protect her so she doesn't have to experience what we've experienced.
As a guy, I've definitely been psych abused a number of times in my life by both men and women .. didn't have the terms and contemporary labels such as "grooming" .. but the abuse was there and affected me to the point where I can recall each incident as if it were yesterday.
Olivia, I'm sorry you had this experience. Keep telling your story and the embarrassment and shame will fade. You will be able to connect with people who have similar situations. You will come to know yourself as strong and smart. Take care.
Thank you for sharing and pouring your heart out. I know exactly what you are talking about. Had the same thing happen to me when I was 16 from a manager that was like 11 years older than me. I had the same issues with obsession and even cut myself over it... I was listening to a podcast by Sarah Hendrix who mentioned similar obsessive behaviors over a boy including self-cutting which is not uncommon among girls... I also saw a study yesterday that my husband showed me that females on the spectrum tend to gravitate towards males That are kind, gentle, and slightly immature and who flatter with obsessive attention. I think we are already seeking acceptance as neurodivergence in a neurotypical world which makes that more dangerous. You also hit the nail on the head with wanting to hang out with adults as a child. That was me. I was not diagnosed until I was 38 years old. Yes grooming can happen to neurotypicals and every girl loves attention and feeling wanted... But females on the spectrum have even additional traits that make them vulnerable.
Im autistic and I was groomed by my ENT doctor. We had a "relationship" 3 years. But it all was a lie, it was abuse. I was 27 years old, but he was my second partner in life, when I met him I was suffering the loss a friend that commited suicide, and my boyfriend left me 5 months before. My doctor knew I was vulnerable and I needee care and attention. He abused me and asked me to kept the secret, because was "antiethic". He dumped me during the pandemic, because I got sick of vestibular neuritis and I couldnt perform sexually, so he cheated and then left me for a prostitute. I was ashamed, he had 2 more "relationships" with his patients, always younger than him. That was in 2021, but I still aching, Sadly he is working in the same medical center, the medical board did nothing with the 3 reports of the other patients... I saw him by accident because we live in the same town, is devastating... he looks happy walking around with the girlfriend, she had a lot of surgerys, and looks like a porn actress, I was ashamed for being the toy of that kind of shallow, materialistic and depraved man, he wanted a sexual object, not a woman!😔
I craved affection, was intensely emotional, formed temporary, unhealthy relationships during my teen years and young adult. I hated myself. I’ve had a really difficult, emotionally devastating life. They diagnosed me mentally ill, depressed, anxious, ptsd, ADHD, etc. the meds never helped, but not once did they realize I was autistic and the intense stress in my life was far more than I could handle. I needed help so badly. I had no friends, my support came from my mother, but she too is autistic. When I found out at age 53 that I was autistic, suddenly every terrible, confusing incident in my life made sense. My terrible decisions made sense. The pain of my past lessened. I started to be at peace with myself. I know I shouldn’t be saying these things on a public forum, but it’s cathartic, healing.
I appreciate your openness and honesty, a lot of that happened to me several times over, even when I was much older. I knew it was vulnerable for a reason but didn't realize and put the two together be autistic and being groomed by a male. I'm 60 💕now and first realizing all of this now
Thanks for sharing. The word you were looking for is "insanity". Although that's just a colloquialism, being in denial of a harmful pattern does not make you stupid nor crazy! I hope you have found your healing!
I'm so glad you have understood what happened to you. Grooming isn't always sexual, either. It can be financial, cults groom people, drug dealers groom people, it can be about control, etc. It can happen to anyone NTs or on the spectrum when they are vulnerable in some way, like after a major life event, divorce, going away to college, etc
However, I'd suspect that people on the spectrum are much more often targets. Combined with not being good at reading social cues, people with autism have a harder time making friends, often like one-on-one relationships, and some other things you have said. Also more trusting of others' motives.
This is a very valuable video. The good feelings for a former groomer often persist. One way to help overcome them is to think the opposite, disgust toward the person (don't let it be toward oneself), for instance is something that can be used to at least compete with those feelings, so every time those "good" feelings arise, consciously feeling disgust while thinking of the person can be helpful. Also bad feelings toward oneself can be turned toward the groomer (shame or guilt is what they should feel, for instance). So, to all of us: Be careful out there!
Im 41. I might be on the spectrum im still unsure..i always felt misunderstood growing up..when i was 19 a 62 year old man who kept horses in the same paddock as my horse, started grooming me by helping me train my horse...took me to horse auctions...I ended up in a 5 year secretive relationship with him and he forced me to have an abortion. You are such a beautiful person..thanks so much for sharing your story. ITs given me insight into how people with autism could be subject to grooming due to be too trusting.
You have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. You were a young, naive child who was manipulated by an adult man who took advantage of your trust and insecurities. Stay strong! You’re not alone in this! ❤️
Thank you so much for the kind message, Amanda. Truly means a lot 🙏🏻💙
Wow! Thank you so very much for sharing from the bottom of my heart!
I really don’t know what to say other than I’m sorry that this happened to you and I hope you do find peace of mind and enough help with a therapist to get through all of it
Thank you for sharing this. You've helped me reflect on my own experience. I unfortunately encountered the person of my experience around 6 years later and decided to give him a hard time by asking if he was still doing it(I'm paraphrasing!), he responded with grow up.... 😵. It allows for doubt to creep in, because it's gaslighting! Although, I'm sat here now remembering him telling me that it was me, not him, at fault for putting his teaching career at risk. Just saying that proves he wasn't acting within the law, even though in his own sick mind he felt he wasn't responsible 😒
So thank you, it is a reminder to not let that negative self talk get a permanent seat st the table. He took advantage of me and my naivety. Plus there are a lot of signs I could have autism so I identify with that last piece of your video too 💛
Olivia, thank you for your vulnerability and courage. I hope that sharing this helps you to not feel embarrassed or ashamed. This was not your fault. You were so young, having a hard time, and being autistic. You are bringing so much good into the world.
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He is a textbook narcissist. He love bombed and groomed you but you never let it get physical so you are stronger and braver thank you realize. I’m autistic (now 55) and couldn’t read people either. I got used by an older guy who gave me drugs that sedated me so he and his friends could rape me while I was out of it. I felt guilty and ashamed for decades. But we have nothing to be ashamed of, sweet one. Nothing to feel guilty about. Thank you for speaking about it so openly and courageously about this issue. TO ALL UNDERAGE GIRLS: if a guy appears too good to be true, he is probably a narcissist or a predator. Learn everything you can about how to confidently say no and quickly deter these sinister cretins. If they appear jealous or possessive, RUN! Don’t do what I did and think it was a compliment. It’s not. Jealousy = insecurity. Honor your beautiful selves enough to have high standards and don’t fall for narcs! Love to all my au-some kindred spirits out there. Stay safe and smart. ♥️
It's very difficult for women to leave dark triad men, due to the emotions and unpredictability he gives them as women are emotional creatures
Thank you so much for sharing this Olivia. This has been very helpful for me to understand and come to terms with some of my past. I am a 39 year old male who realised 3 days ago that I am autistic. My step father abused me when I was a teenager and I have felt a lot of shame for taking so long to realise he was abusing me, your story has helped me realise I wouldn’t have had the social cues to understand what is appropriate, plus my people pleasing element.
Thank you for sharing your story. Your final thoughts about autism and older people are really on point.
It reminder me of a situation I experienced, that was so close to becoming grooming. When I was in college, I lived in dorms (most of us had single private rooms) and I socialized with a lot of people. Some were international studients and a few of this group were older (I was 17-18 and this man in particular was in his late thirties). I had this naive concept of college, that it was a place to share ideas and to met people of different backgrounds and opinions. I spent some afternooms (less than 10 maybe) in this older guy's room, just talking, like I did with other people and groups. There was really nothing going on, we talked history and philosophy. Until he told me he dreamed about me... Then clarified that this was a "awoken dream". I left his room and never talked to him again. I thought I could be friend with a man, with people older than me. I was so disapointed, I felt cheated but I knew it was no my fault, appart from maybe my naivety.
I was in a relationship from 16 to 21 with a guy 21 years older, my guitar teacher at that time. It all started pretty much just like you described it. I've called it "trauma snowballing" for a while because I know if I'd not been that miserable and isolated at that time it never would've happened. I only recently figured I'm autistic though and I hadn't connected it yet. But it also makes sense. Anyway I really understand the shame, it's also been over for over 7 years and I still carry that with me. I know in my head that it wasn't my fault but that doesn't make the embarrassment go away this easily. Thank you for sharing.
Someone once told me "your were a child. If you love a child, you protect them. This was his responsibility to do so, not yours. Period." I really needed to hear that at that time, so... In case someone else here needs to hear this.
I am struck by how brave you are in all your videos. Thank you for your openness.
Thank you for sharing... I'm so deeply sorry that you've experienced this, but you are incredibly strong to share something so traumatic.
Wow. Thank you for talking about this. I have Asperger Syndrome, I'm a 42 year old male, and I'm currently being groomed by a woman younger than me. I feel horrible. The emotional and financial abuse is a lot to deal with. But I'll pull through.
I'm sorry this is happening to you. I hope you can be free of this abuse ASAP.
I'm so sorry this is happening to you, too. You are strong and you can get through this. I'm here if you need me. Praying for you. 💙
@@OliviaHopscappp he wants brownie points he's playin
Oh my goodness, I am so sorry that happened to you. I went through something similar. You are very brave and your story has helped me. Thanks.
I'm so honored my video could help you. That is the biggest compliment!! I'm so sorry this happened to you, too. Stay strong 💙
Thank you for sharing your story about grooming. I'm so sorry the person who did the things he did had no remorse about keeping you on the hook - I can personally say I've experienced a similar situation with an older boy I used to work with at the time. The inappropriateness this person got me to agree and go along with got to a degree that I still feel ashamed to think of to this day of how many times I fell back into the stupid honey pot traps he'd leave for me.
Olivia, thank you so much for sharing. And you're correct, this isn't talked about enough and I'm really glad you shared your story. The way you told it was helpful too because it shows the way in which an adult could groom a child. Some of the signs were so subtle...
I had one question that came to mind when you talked about the guilt you are experiencing years later:
If you were making an agreement with someone and they did not disclose all of their intentions, but just showed you the benefits of the agreement, would you be at fault for not knowing their hidden intent? I ask this because I feel that you are absolutely not at fault because this groomer concealed his true intentions and put on the mask of someone who cared. You only responded to what appeared to be a friendship/ mentorship. Again, thank you so much for sharing.
I would say this most definitely a PTSD issue for you. I hope you are able to find a way that helps you move past the negative view you have of yourself at that time. It’s absolutely true that as autistics we’re more nieve, more apt to believe the face presentation someone projects. You weren’t sappy or stupid. He very much used you like a thing. Makes me livid!
I’m trying somatic therapy right now. CBT doesn’t work for me, might be worth looking into. 💛❤️🩹
I have adhd and possibly autism. I was 17 and he was 20. He was also my boss and had worked there for many years so I trusted him as a mentor who was seemingly intelligent and charismatic. I didn’t find out what happened to me until I was 20 by chance from an old coworker. They told me the other girls from my summer camp job had come forward, but that he had obviously always favored me and was demanding and condescending to them, so they didn’t think it had happened to me as well. And then I called another girl who he had “favored” a few days later and told her what was going on and what I had been through. Immediately she was both mortified and relieved to know she wasn’t insane for feeling abandoned and damaged after he ghosted us both at the same time. He told both of us we were his favorite. Learning that tidbit broke the last of the veil we had up that made us think we were special to him somehow. We sat there for hours coming up with fantastical imaginary revenge plots and scenarios where we could give him a piece of our mind. It was so easy to tell myself it was my fault, but when I realized he had hurt her the same way I was livid. She had never told a single soul any of it, and might never have felt validated, if we hadn’t all connected the dots.
Wow. Thank you for sharing your story!! It must have been incredibly difficult, and you're so courageous for doing so. I just wanted to say, you are most definitely NOT stupid. You said yourself to others, if this is happening to you, it is NOT your fault. You were a child, and any child is vulnerable, but being neurodiverse, makes you even more so. This person knew what they were doing and were clearly very skilled at it. I understand why you feel embarrassed, but you don't need to. You're strong, smart and very brave. I hope you're able to forgive yourself for doing the best you can at that time, with the information you had.
Thank you so much for this video, you have no idea how helpful just watching this today has been! I'm also Autistic and assigned female at birth and only in the past two days have been realizing that I went through something very similar from ages 12 to 15. Literal years of my life. I love how you highlighted in the end of your video some of the ways that make Autistic people more susceptible to this form of abuse and grooming in particular. Seriously, thank you so much. I wish you the best on your healing journey and want to reassure you that this was never your doing or your "fault." You're very brave and strong for sharing, and I am so proud of you. Keep up the good work. Lots of love, H
Hey, thanks for sharing your story! You definitely have absolutely no reason to be ashamed or embarrassed. If you swapped him out for a boy your own age, there wouldn't be anything weird or inappropriate about this story. Your behavior was 100% normal and healthy for a teenage girl. The only behavior that was inappropriate was his. There is nothing wrong with being young and naive, we can't be born knowing these things and you did nothing wrong!
Thank you so much for your vulnerability! I know after posting something like this there can be a lot of conflicting emotions and questioning. You are helping many! And thanks for being honest about not feeling like making videos sometimes. I feel the same way!
Wow, Olivia that was so raw! Thank you for sharing that incredibly difficult story. I hope it helped you too to talk about it and get it off of your chest. Your videos are so helpful to me as the mother of an autistic teen and you help my family to understand her more. We are watching all of your videos. My daughter won't watch them yet but I'm hoping that she will be able to bring herself to watch them soon because you are both so similar. Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for making these amazing videos and helping so many people. I could see just how hard this video was for you. The pain was etched onto your face. I pray that you can recover from this in time. You are a survivor not a victim!! You survived!!! Im proud of you xxx
Something like this happened to me when I was really young as well and I’m so sorry this happened to you, it takes time to heal from something like this but you can absolutely do this. Sending you so much love 💗
Your description of grooming (and the steps) sounds exactly like what a narcissist will do, often with someone who is a highly-sensitive person (HSP) (which you mentioned you also are.)
My ex-husband did the exact same thing to me, except that we were both adults at the time. But he still did the same things:
1. identify the victim (I think he picked me because I am so caring and trusting)
2. Gain trust (he was extra nice to me)
3. Fill a need (I had/have a need to feel special, so of course, he did that for me.)
4. Isolation (this happened over YEARS, as he convinced me that my friends weren't really friends, my family didn't care about me, etc.)
5. Secrecy (the relationship was open for all to see--we were married after all--but there were many things about our lives that I hid from everyone else)
6. Sexualizing relationship (well, yes)
7. Controlling relationship (Definitely! This is the big reason for what he did. He wanted to--and for many years did--control me!)
I just want to point out that those of us who are more vunerable have to be careful of people like this at ALL stages of life!
Bless you and thank you for being so brave and humble to tell us all these details. It has helped me a lot. I too was groomed at age 10 by a minister and I was not diagnosed with my life-long multiple neuro-divergent traits until I was 57, and now at age 64 I am still dealing with the after-effects of all this. I am sure there are many others watching your video who are finding it helpful even though they might not all comment here to let you know. I feel optimistic that you are on a more healing path than my life took, so please don't let my case worry you about wondering how long things may take for you. You are doing a great job in this area, as well as in so many other areas that you make videos about.
I very much relate, also since I was 15. Obsessedly in love, with unavailable "boys" and the situation you've meantioned just litterly happened to me and got me hooked + completely burned out for 4 years now.
The story about the proposal also triggered some PTSD, from opening up fb and seeing they just bought a house... felt the same way.
I'm truly happy to hear you are in a happy relationship. That gives me hope.
I learned a lot about co-dependency and narcisism in the last years and am also on the spiritual path, doing lots of healing.
So happy for you you got saved from the Disney trip.
Thank you for your vulnarable sharing ❤
Bless your beautiful soul
You are very brave. Talking about betrayal is hard, not difficult, because we reveal something deeply emotional. Thank you.
This will heal but will leave a scar, and always subject to being stirred up. It'll always poke its way into any relationship you have but as an autistic person who has spent their entire life developing coping skills, your strength will prevail. Love your videos, thank you for those. I'm 71 and autism in my life was applied only to people who are severely walled off. So figuring myself out has been a super slow process.
Olivia, just to say thank you. Around 5 months ago, I watched one of your autism videos. I am now self diagnosed autistic.
You shouldn’t feel bad about your side of the story! He was a horrible person. It doesn’t make you stupid, it just means that you were young and trusting. I’ve also been groomed, and it’s the worst experience, but now that you fully understand it, you can empower yourself and heal ❤️
Thank you so much for your kind comment and for watching, Rebecca! I'm so sorry this happened to you as well. I hope you have been able to heal from your experience. This video has already helped me start healing from mine. Thank you again for your support 💙
Thank you so much for sharing your story, this is so important, and sharing your story will help so many other girls get out of bad situations, and to help them heal from that past shame you described. I hope you continue to heal, and forgive yourself for something that was never your fault. 💖
Olivia when I discovered your channel I was overjoyed because I finally found someone who was high functioning and a female like me. I really enjoy your videos and I can relate to them so much they’ve helped me figure out more about my self and why I do certain things. We need more High functioning females in this community like you :) sending lots of love 🤍
Hi Olivia, I want to thank you for this courageous and vulnerable sharing, which is for me one of the most important videos you've made so far, to help protect others from falling into the same trap. I've experienced my own version of what you describe and I will be sure to show this video to my daughter to help make her aware 🙏
The folks that are educators and healthcare professionals know this: *we literally have to swat away men from young ladies,* especially when physically attractive, because they *will go after them.* It's F-ing non-stop!! Even parents from other children will take the bait to garner *anything* from these girls - a big smile, a blush, or seeing you in "regular" clothes in out-of-school settings, like the local coffee shop, even with the parents present!!
Having a developmental disorder is a major risk factor. What works as prevention *and* treatment? *Having involved, responsible adults that are supervised.* Parents: teach your children about sexuality, what's appropriate and what's not. Chatting with an older, adult male is a big freaking no-no! Ask your children about their online friends. Check their damn phones. And always get healthcare professionals involved!
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@@christinecaronnabeard1369- the most common reason "responsible adults" are the last ones to know?
*"We didn't want to get them into trouble" or "Everyone does it" or "Live and learn, that's not your business."* 🤦 Damn it, yes it is!!
@@MattGaetzOnAWhiteFordBronco it's so hard when a child doesn't really have any "responsible adults" to step in or even tell them this is wrong. Worse when their parents co-sign it. 😭
Thank you , Olivia~ you are so brave for being so vulnerble in sharing your story with all of us. I know this will help others. You are a blessing. I am so sorry you went through this.
I'm so sorry that happened to you. It's so common for autistic girls to be taken advantage of for so many reasons. I was also abused when I was a teen. For me it was three different boys a similar age to me, but I was younger emotionally/developmentally and they didn't listen when is said no.
It took me a long time to understand that it was wrong of them as I had so much guilt and shame.
The more girls (and parents) aware of this, the better, as prevention is so important.
Sending hugs 💕
Thank you for making me feel a little less alone with autism and grooming . Its happened countless times and it's at a point where it's suicidal so thank you for talking about it and making me feel a little less alone
Thank you so much for having the courage to share. I’m recently diagnosed AuDHD which makes me even angrier about my history of grooming and sexual abuse. I’ve been working up the courage to share my truth. Thank you for making me feel less alone ❤
It started at 4 years old for me. It purposefully dehumanizes children. It's no wonder people in the sex trades were hard wired for it via grooming as children. If you are a female in the spectrum prone to masking the possibilities are endless. I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't a go to job for many autistic men and women and that we would be over represented in the sex trades (for survival's sake) and the inability to establish relationships or keep jobs.
You are so brave to express your past reality. And such a form of therapy for you. This is a great service you are doing to warn other young people of the signs that they being treated unfairly.
It is so obvious when you are listening to the story of another person telling it but when you are in it often you don't realize anything until far later. It's frustrating.
You are sooo brave! Thanks for sharing your story, Olivia!
Coming to the realization of “oh” was definitely how I felt 😳😂 I was groomed 5 years ago. I finally understand that that’s what is was about 3 years later, when I finally stopped blaming myself. It still hurts me a bit, because my reputation was tarnished by it. (Only by other people who honestly are just as bad, which makes it easier to heal from) but when you just read that list, my eyes were finally wide open as I could literally just put the picture together in chronological order to the steps.
Thank you so much for this. I had a total aha moment. Eureka! Sending you unconditional Love for this sharing. I wish they would teach this to all young people. I too was a victim of Grooming. It happens so gradually. And yes, those of us who cannot read others naturally are easier prey, but anyone can become a victim. I think that predators come by such skills naturally. They learn to manipulate people and know how to play others to their own gain, from a young age. I think for some of us, the guilt goes on forever, like scars unseen. You are so much braver than me, because I can never share my stories. One thing about people with such scars, is that to tell the story is to live it again, as though it were happening now, in this moment. By your gaining the intellectual understanding of these methods others use, you are gaining power. I still fail at reading other people and their intentions.
There are so many “users” out there. We must learn to be more open to what those around see. When we naturally live with an open heart, there are so many ready to take advantage.
Be safe with your heart……learning to shield it and share only with those worthy of it is a skill some learn earlier than other.
Sending a virtual hug for healing Light to flow your way through those worthy of you.
I can relate to a lot of what you are saying, and I want to send virtual hugs your way as well. I still do not know how to discern the people with good intentions from the people with bad intentions for me. Think the reliving the moment is part of the ptsd that often results from having undergone such traumatic abuse. The stories stay in with the scars unseen, and people may not understand us. Think part of it is finding someone safe, understanding, and who would not blame the victim, providing a safe space and healing balm, in order to bear the pain of ever divulging such a personal and tragic narrative. Hoping we both find our respective paths to healing. 💗
I can only imagine that it was very hard for you to share an experience so personal, but thank you so much for doing so. It hasn't happened to me, but it's so important for people to share experiences like this, to help prevent others from having the same thing happening to them. What a gross human being he is, to do that to you and string you along, especially when he was in other relationships (and an engagement!) all the while. Urgh.
I'm glad you covered this topic. We on the spectrum are especially vulnerable to this. On an unrelated note, can we make topic suggestions? How do you deal with sensory issues? I struggle with clothes. Pants and shoes are hard for me to try on because of the pain.
May I ask what you mean by saying pants and shoes were hard to try on because of the pain? Sorry if this is a dumb question, there is so much going in my life and what I'm trying to shed light on pertaining to someone I love and have a child with whom isn't seeing what I do. She doesn't talk much about her past and I have my own theories but just trying to understand fully. I hope to God I am wrong but not being able to see my son because of me voicing my thoughts about certain things. 😞
Thank you for sharing. There are so many girls who need to know about this. I think it is so easy to be manipulated by someone who is trying to use and deceive you. It takes a lot of courage to share such personal information, but you may well prevent an innocent person from being used and abused.
Olivia, thank you for sharing. I am sorry to hear of your on-going nightmare. Please don't ever feel ashamed or embarrassed! There isn't one person on this earth that hasn't been compromised or played with by someone who is predatory or just plain cruel.
I always hear how we all have to take something from our bad life experiences and learn from them. The good thing is, you are now aware of ppl like this predator coach & won't fall for that kind of manipulation ever again. And that's good!
Because I have been a loner (happily!) all my life basically whenever I am down, I look to stay busy with things that make me feel better. Things I love to do & know I exceed in it. You can focus on yourself & pat yourself on your back knowing something YOU DO is GREAT.
I am 66yo. I know that young ppl, like yourself can help feel better about themselves when they pursue a project that rewards them--makes them feel valued. What might that be for you?
I hope you find your way. Life is too short to spend it in regret & frightful memories.
Thanks Olivia !!! ... this cracked the code of mystery hanging over our heads 17 years ... truly the most life changing UA-cam I've ever watched ... Thanks Again
You spoke about autistics being naive and I agree. Some autistics may seem not to be naive, but there is a sort of reaction to being victimized by others, that can happen, where an autistic will take on a sort of tough pessimistic persona. So, I think that it may be true that all autistics are lifelong naive. They don't look for how someone may be trying to manipulate them.
All that said, it is the responsibility of every cognizant human to consider the physical and emotional effects of everything that they do and say on others, when interacting with them. Your groomer was not taking into account what his pursuit of you, was going to do to you emotionally. He was only thinking of himself and ignoring that you were a vulnerable young girl not fully mature.
Age gap is something we learn about as kids. When you're 10 yrs old, you already know better than to associate yourself with 5 yr olds. All through childhood, we wish to associate ourselves with those older than us, because we want to show everyone how grown up we are. After having achieved grown up status, we should be shunning any thought of romantic association with those much younger.
It is quite natural for younger autistics to want to associate themselves with adults. Neurotypical adults immediately recognize the autistic naivete, even if they can't name it. Additionally, many autistics have a sort of autistic charisma. I'm thinking of someone like Greta Thuneburg here. The natural reaction of adults on encountering such individuals, should be one of concern, as they realize how vulnerable the autistic is. In that recognition of vulnerability, it becomes the responsibility of the adult to protect them, not exploit them. This means to act like an adult, treating the autistic as a vulnerable person and make it clear by actions that they have no romantic interest in them.
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This happened to me when I had just turned 18; a guy groomed me for 2 yrs. He did nothing until I had a serious brain injury on top of being autistic. (I literally could not count past 7 & could not find words.) And then he showed up instead of talking or texting from states away and he started things. It got bad, turned to physical assault & rape. For about a year it was like that. I think he used the selective mutism against me. Anytime he did something that made me uncomfortable I just shut down and disappeared into myself. First person I had ever dated seriously too & I didn’t know what to expect.
The guy proposed to me and I accepted tho a little voice in my head had said “wait.” I lost a member of my family like a week before on top of everything and was super vulnerable. I stupidly stayed the night with him once during a meltdown & he threatened to kill himself if I left. I didn’t want him to die & stayed. He acted like the engagement ring like bought me or something & now he owned me. Really creepy in retrospect but I couldn’t see it then. Everyone tried to warn me & I didn’t understand & I couldn’t see the red flags they did. Turned into a hell of physical, sexual and emotional abuse for about a year.
It got worse until he attempted to kill me and even then it took me 2 tries to cut him off finally. Moving out was so scary I thought I was going to die.
It took me 2 years from when it ended to try to date & I freaked out on the first attempted date. Met my husband eventually who has been very calm about everything, and gentle with me. We got married, been married a year, in a lot of ways it’s a lot better, but I still have meltdowns about what happened. I married my husband bc he is super kind and extremely gentle with me & asks directly all the time if I am uncomfortable & it makes me feel safe.
It’s been 8 years since that bad situation started. Downside of a great long term memory, I remember almost everything bad that happened in minute detail. Still struggle with a lot of self blame tho husband is firmly in the “that guy is a psychopath it’s definitely not your fault,” camp but I wish I could convince myself of that fully. And therapists don’t know how to treat autistic women with PTSD either. Just one is a bit overwhelming, combine the 2 and it’s almost impossible to find someone to try to understand.
I think being an autistic lady, it’s really hard to see boundaries & boundary crossing red flags which come natural to others. I saw a chart of boundaries for Aspie girls on who was safe to hug, or kiss or cuddle with… Wish I had had it back then.
To feel safer dating I literally read a bunch of old dating manuals (from like the 40’s when people wrote those) & memorized their warning signs. Any guy who even had 1 I never saw for another date. I also took a LOT of hand-to-hand combat training, and when a different guy followed me home & broke into my apartment I was actually ok bc of that special interest. (Whooohoo special interests saving my life, tho I went mute for like a whole month & didn’t leave or really talk to ANYONE.) I think talking about these warning signs explicitly for autistic women is really important bc I really am romantic and like to feel loved, but need structure & rules to figure out what is safe & what isn’t. I spend a lot of time now explaining to younger sisters and to teens on the spectrum bc I don’t want what happened to me to happen to anyone else.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. Im glad you pointed out that having both autism and PTSD is on a whole other order, and it’s not something most therapy models are equipped to handle. It makes everything way more difficult. Also, I can relate to the shutting down inside oneself and going mute upon the dominant person’s initiation of hostility. Thank you for speaking up and describing this; feeling alone about such things is maddeningly frustrating. Im glad you now have someone gentle and understanding.
This made me tear up. Im so sorry. I was groomed by a parent and I find the same types over and over. I know how hard that is when its your first experience. Especially for someone who struggles socially, as I did as well....the bond it creates at a young age. Please stay away from him and remember you have a friend if you feel alone.