I remember when I watched gameplay, (before being able to own games myself) Nathan failed spectacularly. I think I found out the alternative on either UA-cam or Wiki lol
I’m guessing the broke ribs ending is canon since we don’t see or even hear about Samantha in the main game and the psychiatric help is canon in the alternate timeline Max makes. So I’m guessing however Nathan was, he just became more mentally broken after the incident with Samantha, which is why he turned more to Mr Jefferson in the main game and became psychotic and broken.
I always wondered what happened to Samantha, I imagine even if you went down the good route Nathen would eventually do something to her or she would leave him after he starts being a real a-hole. I don’t believe there is meant to be a “canon” ending as Samantha is not in the later games and on top of that the developers like to incorporate the different endings in later games.
I'm pretty sure they didn't even rip her character from the main game at all so it's not like she was just a character Max never met, Samantha just ceases to exist somewhere in the timeline. I think seeing the endings here proves Samantha (with Chloe's interference and advice) could really have supported Nathan through all the BS and must leave at some point leaving him to spiral. Or, of course, you get the bad ending and he spirals before the prequel even ends.
Personally I think Samantha could have been one of Jefferson’s victims, shy and innocent was his whole target, Samantha fits that perfectly, how did Nathan join on Jefferson’s work and go off the deep end, Jefferson promised that he would see Samantha again, and he never did, and that’s why he becomes how he is in the first game, my source is pure headcannon though
I won the backtalk and told Samantha to give him space (your second option for bad ending 2) but my outcome was more like a mix of your two bad endings. He bombed the play, Samantha was there clapping at the end, psychiatrist convo in the hospital, and Samantha rejected him at the tree.
@@haileybk I think it came down to taking Chloe's advice to letting Nathan go, or she never got advice in the first place and let everyone talk her down from trying to help him along with him pushing her away constantly
lol ye Chloe really went more sarcastic and instigating on this one rather than aggressive and Drew would either just get flustered or call her a loser in another way
All endings are bad unless it keeps them away from eachother. Atleast we know chloe is a good person deep down even in her hardest moments IF ONLY DONT NOD SAW THAT INSTEAD OF THINKING RACHEL IS THE BEST!!!!! God i hate how they forget that the storm is rachels also his father is something else like supporting him beating up bullies thats good but ignoring the real problems thats a big big issue wish that nathans father just frickin stopped that crap so jefferson didnt get a minion hope sam didnt get killed because of nathans father.
Honestly, yeah. Knowing canon, Samantha is too precious to be around him, but I would like to think she would have been able to genuinely help him as best as a non-professional could have, although that responsibility should never be put on a fellow minor. The developers behind this game are actually Deck Nine, not DON'T NOD this time, but the publishers Square Enix are usually to blame for the random shifts and changes to plots and characters. I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I've read around that SE hates Chloe and that's why we're seeing all the stuff we're seeing in Double Exposure. I agree that Chloe is really a good person, she's just hurting so much and got hit with a lot of emotional neglect and abandonment. I also know, for a fact, that I would get swept up in the person Rachel is (I love her even though I know how much of a whirlwind she is). Yeah, she is flawed and pretty much insatiable, but it's a recurring theme that all of these characters are the product of what their parents did or did not give them. Nathan's father is an actual piece of shit. Neglectful and abusive and if he had grown a conscious or, at the very least, some balls he would have gotten Nathan the professional help he needed and we would have not had half of the events in the first game. Pretty sure I read somewhere that Samantha moved away before the events of the first game, but either way, her name is not on any of the folders in the Dark Room. Sorry, that was a lot lol.
@@Saljace Lol yeah it was but truly i understand chloes pain to much rachel is just a awful friend like she was a bad friend before the story of before the storm hell chloe saved rachel and rachel is ungreatful for it idc if it wasnt written yet i just wish that the fans controlled the writing us fans would make it great again
@@youdontneedtoknow106 Tragically, we didn't really know much about Rachel before the prequel. We knew how Chloe and the whole student body felt about her and that the entanglement between her, Jefferson, Frank, and Chloe was actually a clusterfuck where one of them was actively plotting against her, one was fully aware what he was doing was wrong, and the other who ended up just getting strung along. I feel for Chloe so immensely, she's my favorite character in the franchise and all she really felt after her father died was pain and Rachel came barging in and changed all of that. They saved each other. At least for a time. Rachel had been actively groomed her entire life and for all that, she got murdered. She didn't get the opportunity for her frontal lobe to develop to realize she was chasing a high that was only ever going to get her and everyone else burned.
@@Saljace Yeah she was just hurt and hurt she needed a true friend its why chloe improves after max comes back even taking accountability at the end and calling david her step father plus one thing someone pointed out is chloe has mad attachment issues when she got rachel she clung when she got max back she clung shes a very realistic character when it comes to trauma alteast her trauma made her more willing to speak her mind while others it just locks them in a cage making them unable to stand up for themselves chloe is for sure strong willed
@@youdontneedtoknow106 Yeah, I think any universe where Max and Chloe are not together in some way just feels wrong. I'm just an Amberprice truther lol (honestly Amberpricefield ftw tho). Max tended to not look her trauma in the eye (the ghosting tendencies), but she learns how to face it when she learns from Chloe who is nearly always fighting it head-on (literally the entire backtalk mechanic) or running away taking the space she needs to escape it all (junkyard/truck)
i didn't even know that Nathan could do well in the play by being nice to him
I remember when I watched gameplay, (before being able to own games myself) Nathan failed spectacularly. I think I found out the alternative on either UA-cam or Wiki lol
i didn't even know that there was a path that led to Samantha getting her ribs broken by nathan
Didn't realize it was only up to Nathan till doing this video
I’m guessing the broke ribs ending is canon since we don’t see or even hear about Samantha in the main game and the psychiatric help is canon in the alternate timeline Max makes. So I’m guessing however Nathan was, he just became more mentally broken after the incident with Samantha, which is why he turned more to Mr Jefferson in the main game and became psychotic and broken.
Depressing outcomes all around, but that ending is most likely the canon one for all the reasons you said
I always wondered what happened to Samantha, I imagine even if you went down the good route Nathen would eventually do something to her or she would leave him after he starts being a real a-hole. I don’t believe there is meant to be a “canon” ending as Samantha is not in the later games and on top of that the developers like to incorporate the different endings in later games.
I'm pretty sure they didn't even rip her character from the main game at all so it's not like she was just a character Max never met, Samantha just ceases to exist somewhere in the timeline. I think seeing the endings here proves Samantha (with Chloe's interference and advice) could really have supported Nathan through all the BS and must leave at some point leaving him to spiral. Or, of course, you get the bad ending and he spirals before the prequel even ends.
Personally I think Samantha could have been one of Jefferson’s victims, shy and innocent was his whole target, Samantha fits that perfectly, how did Nathan join on Jefferson’s work and go off the deep end, Jefferson promised that he would see Samantha again, and he never did, and that’s why he becomes how he is in the first game, my source is pure headcannon though
I won the backtalk and told Samantha to give him space (your second option for bad ending 2) but my outcome was more like a mix of your two bad endings. He bombed the play, Samantha was there clapping at the end, psychiatrist convo in the hospital, and Samantha rejected him at the tree.
Yes I got all of this too! I still don’t understand entirely why she left him at the tree. Can someone explain this due to this certain outcome?
@@haileybk I think it came down to taking Chloe's advice to letting Nathan go, or she never got advice in the first place and let everyone talk her down from trying to help him along with him pushing her away constantly
i just forgot how beautiful this game is
The 3rd one must be the canon one
It wouldn't surprise me if it was. I can see how they all fit, but damn it's brutal
Damnnn Chloe is so pretty in remastered wtff
1:47 why is he walking like he shat his pants LMAO
0:50 ooohhh how agressive 😂😂 I just find it funny, how tge anwsers and interactions are so weak
lol ye Chloe really went more sarcastic and instigating on this one rather than aggressive and Drew would either just get flustered or call her a loser in another way
All endings are bad unless it keeps them away from eachother. Atleast we know chloe is a good person deep down even in her hardest moments IF ONLY DONT NOD SAW THAT INSTEAD OF THINKING RACHEL IS THE BEST!!!!! God i hate how they forget that the storm is rachels also his father is something else like supporting him beating up bullies thats good but ignoring the real problems thats a big big issue wish that nathans father just frickin stopped that crap so jefferson didnt get a minion hope sam didnt get killed because of nathans father.
Honestly, yeah. Knowing canon, Samantha is too precious to be around him, but I would like to think she would have been able to genuinely help him as best as a non-professional could have, although that responsibility should never be put on a fellow minor. The developers behind this game are actually Deck Nine, not DON'T NOD this time, but the publishers Square Enix are usually to blame for the random shifts and changes to plots and characters. I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I've read around that SE hates Chloe and that's why we're seeing all the stuff we're seeing in Double Exposure. I agree that Chloe is really a good person, she's just hurting so much and got hit with a lot of emotional neglect and abandonment. I also know, for a fact, that I would get swept up in the person Rachel is (I love her even though I know how much of a whirlwind she is). Yeah, she is flawed and pretty much insatiable, but it's a recurring theme that all of these characters are the product of what their parents did or did not give them. Nathan's father is an actual piece of shit. Neglectful and abusive and if he had grown a conscious or, at the very least, some balls he would have gotten Nathan the professional help he needed and we would have not had half of the events in the first game. Pretty sure I read somewhere that Samantha moved away before the events of the first game, but either way, her name is not on any of the folders in the Dark Room.
Sorry, that was a lot lol.
@@Saljace Lol yeah it was but truly i understand chloes pain to much rachel is just a awful friend like she was a bad friend before the story of before the storm hell chloe saved rachel and rachel is ungreatful for it idc if it wasnt written yet i just wish that the fans controlled the writing us fans would make it great again
@@youdontneedtoknow106 Tragically, we didn't really know much about Rachel before the prequel. We knew how Chloe and the whole student body felt about her and that the entanglement between her, Jefferson, Frank, and Chloe was actually a clusterfuck where one of them was actively plotting against her, one was fully aware what he was doing was wrong, and the other who ended up just getting strung along. I feel for Chloe so immensely, she's my favorite character in the franchise and all she really felt after her father died was pain and Rachel came barging in and changed all of that. They saved each other. At least for a time. Rachel had been actively groomed her entire life and for all that, she got murdered. She didn't get the opportunity for her frontal lobe to develop to realize she was chasing a high that was only ever going to get her and everyone else burned.
@@Saljace Yeah she was just hurt and hurt she needed a true friend its why chloe improves after max comes back even taking accountability at the end and calling david her step father plus one thing someone pointed out is chloe has mad attachment issues when she got rachel she clung when she got max back she clung shes a very realistic character when it comes to trauma alteast her trauma made her more willing to speak her mind while others it just locks them in a cage making them unable to stand up for themselves chloe is for sure strong willed
@@youdontneedtoknow106 Yeah, I think any universe where Max and Chloe are not together in some way just feels wrong. I'm just an Amberprice truther lol (honestly Amberpricefield ftw tho). Max tended to not look her trauma in the eye (the ghosting tendencies), but she learns how to face it when she learns from Chloe who is nearly always fighting it head-on (literally the entire backtalk mechanic) or running away taking the space she needs to escape it all (junkyard/truck)
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