@@pfiddy7256 personally I don't subscribe to loop theory, as I feel it undermines a lot of the original games themes, but I love the idea of hidden messages from the devs to the fans. They knew the older more obsessed weirdos like us would be looking into these details, and didn't want us hunting for nothing.
@Nubzombie when playing through SH2 on release many times, i never considered a loop theory. I was surprised to hear you mention in your video that the loop theory went back to the original. However, as soon as I got the first momento flash back in the remake, i thought it was the plot they were going with. I understand the flashbacks in remake can be seen as a nod to old heads, but at what point does it just become more than just a theory? Thanks for your reply
This can mean anything, doesn’t necessarily have to be related to the loop theory. The guilt that James is having to face again and again. How James is reliving Mary’s death through Maria being killed again and again. Etc etc... Hella awesome find tho!!
@@sullymaybe actually no... the director, creature designer, and producer all stated he is not in a loop. There are a few explanations given by them that counter all of the dumb theories.
Although i'm not fan of that loop theory, I like how all of these look like 4th wall messages, most of us played the game hundreds of times. The "You've been here for two decades" photo message seem to fit only for the 2001 original release date, since the plot is set in the early 90's.
Yeah ngl i cant stand the loop theory, i feel like the original made so much ambiguous it was easy to come to your own conclusions while the remake feels like its shoving this loop shit down your throat imo
Actually according to core members of Team Silent, Silent Hill 2 is intended to take place in an unspecified date in the late-1970s or 1980s, prior to the 1990s. So no, it's before the 90's, that date was retconed
@@LucasMarianoGrigolato Masahiro Ito's own twitter posts from Jan 26 2021. Can't post links here cause UA-cam doesn't like links in comments but it shouldn't be too hard to find the tweets in question
Whenever I see people say something silly like "loop theory confirmed" what it confirms is that they have no clue how interpretive art works and are just begging for someone to tell them what to think.
I instantly noticed the Morse code while watching a streamer play the game. I wrote it in the chat, but unfortunately, no one gave a fck :)) I'm not that big of a Silent Hill fan, so I left it at that. I'm glad Shiba did it
I heard this! And I knew this was Morse code! But I though I needed to listen to numbers, since I don't know Morse I failed and thought "I'll come back later' and somehow I completely forgot about it, until NOW! Amazing!
Would love to know if the tv in room 106 at Jack's Inn (when we go back to it at night) and if the tvs during the Abstract Daddy boss fight has the same or a different message? Edit: Just saw your description in your other video about Jack's Inn. Thanks.
This can mean anything, it doesn't necessarily point towards the loop theory. The guilt that James is having to face again and again. How James is reliving Mary’s death through Maria being killed again and again. Etc etc. There are a lot of repeating "things" in SH2, it doesn't necessarily point towards the loop theory
@@Ashurman666 i mean James facing the guilt again and again, James reliving Mary's death through Maria being killed again and again sounds exactly like loops, LOL.
@@DorohnL Not when you consider that Maria dies several times throughout the game and that the guilt he faces is Pyramid Head itself, that's what it represents. Maria dying several times and James facing Pyramid Head several times all happens in the same "loop" if you want to call it that, way to completely misunderstand my point. Repetition is not a loop
@@tyrant017 Not really. Abstract Daddy isn't as that one relates to Angela's trauma. In fact, most monsters are representations of Jame's memories of Mary which as we already know aren't exactly accurate. Then there's the Mannequin which represents James's natural urges and inclinations and memories belonging to a hospital. If anything, the monsters are a part of James, not Mary
Right? They have a number of things that point to a spiral or loop and they just refuse to try to even understand lmao, why would they put something like this and the photos in the game, just to be a 4th wall break and no storyboard connection? It's crazy talk
@@ExtraZero And that's the problem with people so adamant about this theory, they take easter eggs and fanservice and think they it's somehow relevant to the plot. It's not
@@Ashurman666Is that really an actual issue worth arguing over😭? This is coming from someone who has just fully finished the remake and only played parts of the original a couple of years ago. The bigger issue is that people are denying an obviously supported theory that this remake and the developers have pushed for since the games development. Theres no logic behind denying something when there’s zero evidence to support that denial. Literally a pointless argument that stems from not wanting something from the past to be change💀 it’s their game, they can change stuff if they want to. The remake is so much better, people just complain to complain
@@DreamcastSummerSongs "obviously supported theory" Except it's not obviously supported? Especially when people only see what they want to see and take fanservice/easter eggs as meaningful when they're nothing more than that, easter eggs and fanservice nods. Also the developers have pushed nothing. It was the fans that came up with the theory and THEY are the ones pushing it, no one else is, get your facts straight.
I love the details they hid in this. This is a great find, seriously.
Poor James, trapped in his own Full Circle. Silent Hill is really harsh on guilty ones.
Awesome find!
the pictures weren't the only reference! give this dude a trophy
A wild Nubzombie appears! Big fan of your work, thanks for hours of entertainment.
Does this add to the loop theory, ya think?
@@pfiddy7256 personally I don't subscribe to loop theory, as I feel it undermines a lot of the original games themes, but I love the idea of hidden messages from the devs to the fans. They knew the older more obsessed weirdos like us would be looking into these details, and didn't want us hunting for nothing.
@Nubzombie when playing through SH2 on release many times, i never considered a loop theory. I was surprised to hear you mention in your video that the loop theory went back to the original.
However, as soon as I got the first momento flash back in the remake, i thought it was the plot they were going with. I understand the flashbacks in remake can be seen as a nod to old heads, but at what point does it just become more than just a theory?
Thanks for your reply
I am mindblown by all these hidden messages.
This can mean anything, doesn’t necessarily have to be related to the loop theory. The guilt that James is having to face again and again. How James is reliving Mary’s death through Maria being killed again and again. Etc etc... Hella awesome find tho!!
That's the beauty of Silent Hill
A lot of unanswered questions, a lot of blind spots
But you can choose the answers you like more than others
@@sullymaybe actually no... the director, creature designer, and producer all stated he is not in a loop. There are a few explanations given by them that counter all of the dumb theories.
It sounds like breakdown in posthardcore music. 😅
Although i'm not fan of that loop theory, I like how all of these look like 4th wall messages, most of us played the game hundreds of times. The "You've been here for two decades" photo message seem to fit only for the 2001 original release date, since the plot is set in the early 90's.
Yeah ngl i cant stand the loop theory, i feel like the original made so much ambiguous it was easy to come to your own conclusions while the remake feels like its shoving this loop shit down your throat imo
How do you know the plot is set in the early 90's?
Actually according to core members of Team Silent, Silent Hill 2 is intended to take place in an unspecified date in the late-1970s or 1980s, prior to the 1990s. So no, it's before the 90's, that date was retconed
@@Ashurman666 source?
@@LucasMarianoGrigolato Masahiro Ito's own twitter posts from Jan 26 2021. Can't post links here cause UA-cam doesn't like links in comments but it shouldn't be too hard to find the tweets in question
Whenever I see people say something silly like "loop theory confirmed" what it confirms is that they have no clue how interpretive art works and are just begging for someone to tell them what to think.
There is morse code during the abstract Daddy fight when the tv is playing
Yes! Would love to know if that tv has the same or a different message.
I instantly noticed the Morse code while watching a streamer play the game. I wrote it in the chat, but unfortunately, no one gave a fck :)) I'm not that big of a Silent Hill fan, so I left it at that. I'm glad Shiba did it
How can you discover something like that? Crazy
_It's not a loop, it's a spiral_
Nice find. Love how this loosely reminds me of a song ”The Forest” by The Cure.
I heard this! And I knew this was Morse code! But I though I needed to listen to numbers, since I don't know Morse I failed and thought "I'll come back later' and somehow I completely forgot about it, until NOW! Amazing!
Nice work finding details like this. Well done, and quite interesting and fascinating find.
It actually sounds very similar to the sound that plays after Mary coughs in the original tape scene.
That is a so metal. Dam this remake is good.
Loop theory, the end.
Pobre James... Silent Hill es el infierno.
It's the newest how to keep an idiot busy joke and I fell for it.
Awesome.but don't the dahes and dots have the same sound ?
Would love to know if the tv in room 106 at Jack's Inn (when we go back to it at night) and if the tvs during the Abstract Daddy boss fight has the same or a different message? Edit: Just saw your description in your other video about Jack's Inn. Thanks.
Loop theory is basically confirmed at this point
Nice!
Genius !!!❤
It is happening again. Wow bob Wow
And again and again and again and again... Where's the spoon?
Yep Silent Hill 2 is an everlasting hell
Sure isn't.
@Rilumai sure is
@@CHRISMED2 Nope, it all happens once.
@@Rilumai poor James is in his hell everyday, even Thanksgiving. No turkey for James
@@CHRISMED2If only he could leave the place he isn’t in.
Awesome 👌
yet, they went for a (good) DLC for a two-year-old game as a GOTY contender instead of this
Loop theory ain't a theory though
How anyone can deny the loop theory now is beyond me.
This can mean anything, it doesn't necessarily point towards the loop theory. The guilt that James is having to face again and again. How James is reliving Mary’s death through Maria being killed again and again. Etc etc. There are a lot of repeating "things" in SH2, it doesn't necessarily point towards the loop theory
@@Ashurman666 i mean James facing the guilt again and again, James reliving Mary's death through Maria being killed again and again sounds exactly like loops, LOL.
@@DorohnL Not when you consider that Maria dies several times throughout the game and that the guilt he faces is Pyramid Head itself, that's what it represents. Maria dying several times and James facing Pyramid Head several times all happens in the same "loop" if you want to call it that, way to completely misunderstand my point. Repetition is not a loop
@@Ashurman666 Indeed, also every monster is a part of Mary.
@@tyrant017 Not really. Abstract Daddy isn't as that one relates to Angela's trauma. In fact, most monsters are representations of Jame's memories of Mary which as we already know aren't exactly accurate. Then there's the Mannequin which represents James's natural urges and inclinations and memories belonging to a hospital. If anything, the monsters are a part of James, not Mary
She say James XD
Loop
ahhh James is definitely in a loop.
Loop theory chads: YES, EVERYTHING IS ACCORDING TO THE PLAN!
Anti loop theory soyjaks: NOOOO, THIS DOES NOT PROVE ANYTHING!!!
Right? They have a number of things that point to a spiral or loop and they just refuse to try to even understand lmao, why would they put something like this and the photos in the game, just to be a 4th wall break and no storyboard connection? It's crazy talk
@@godtheanimal8357not only that but the memories of the original game you find to show the changes
@@ExtraZero And that's the problem with people so adamant about this theory, they take easter eggs and fanservice and think they it's somehow relevant to the plot. It's not
@@Ashurman666Is that really an actual issue worth arguing over😭? This is coming from someone who has just fully finished the remake and only played parts of the original a couple of years ago. The bigger issue is that people are denying an obviously supported theory that this remake and the developers have pushed for since the games development. Theres no logic behind denying something when there’s zero evidence to support that denial. Literally a pointless argument that stems from not wanting something from the past to be change💀 it’s their game, they can change stuff if they want to. The remake is so much better, people just complain to complain
@@DreamcastSummerSongs "obviously supported theory" Except it's not obviously supported? Especially when people only see what they want to see and take fanservice/easter eggs as meaningful when they're nothing more than that, easter eggs and fanservice nods. Also the developers have pushed nothing. It was the fans that came up with the theory and THEY are the ones pushing it, no one else is, get your facts straight.
So yet more evidence that the game is a time loop.