It's like nobody here heard what Crook had to say at all. I'm not saying one side is right or wrong, but they're taking about this without an entire half of the context.
@@kingofwestbmore not how it went. It’s like your friends offering you a spot to come rob a bank & you say no and instead they rob your house while your sleeping.
You do know that business, has nothing to do with “integrity and morals…” 😐That’s literally the point of how business has been able to F🤬 over the little guy forever… Business is whatever you negotiate and what your lawyer can enforce later. TEFOH Son. It’s amazing you’re never yelling “integrity and morals” for the record execs when we’re talking about artist who signed bad deals… 😐 lol always moving the goal post. 😂
@@Borderlinepsycotic Woa woa woa...slow down killa!!! LoL I agree with everything you've said and that's exactly why I am an observer of the foolishness. Y'all can have the entertainment industry, business, law, contracts, dreams, aspirations, fame, money and whatever else comes wit it. I'm just a commenter and fan of hip hop music & culture. I don't take this ish personal...🤷🏾♂️ Everything is an illusion. Everything is a scam.
The whole thing boils down to this. Joell and Crook were just done with all the drama and just said enough. Crook has publicly stated he is quitting rapping. He is retiring. He is using his art to tell his truth like he always does. They made this album for the closure for the fans and themselves because they knew it was never gonna happen and they were tired of waiting.
Joes weird. Like, I don’t wanna play and I wanna take the ball home so no one else can play. To top it off n****s somehow manage to get another ball and he’s in his feelings.
Joe is only mad because the option of a reunion was taken away from him. He's been the leader of his bubble and this decision was taken away from him. And Royce just doesn't get that these 2 are done with the brand. "how can I sell people a tshirt if you did this album behind our backs" Fam, they clearly said their done. Forget the tshirt, its over. Its like breaking up with your girl and she tell you "if you breakup with me I'll never sleep with you again!" b1t
Joe had they #.. I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THE DAY WHEN GROWN MEN BECOMES CHATTY-PATTYS!! EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK NOW U GOT DUDES IN OTHER DUDES BUSINESS!! POCKET WATCHING. THIS Internet has become very dangerous!!! Turns Men into Gossipy Females!!!
@Math Hoffa. You need to re-do this episode after doing the research. This topic is worth having another episode! Would have been a great episode if you all knew the full details!
This is Joell and Crooked 2nd album together. Group is called "Hard" not Slaughterhouse. Since Joe retired the others continued to do music regardless. Royce, joell and Crooked were on each other's projects.
Crooked for years have been trying to get the group back together. He’s publicly been doing it, Joe has publicly been saying he’s retire he ain’t rapping no more. Joell and Crooked just sound fed up, seems like they’re saying fuck it let’s speak our mind and be done with this.
@@21street-erfication90 not facts, just last year Joe said he plans to go to Detroit to get back in rapper mode. Back then we didn't know that they just got released from Shady and were finally free agents. Crook was just fed up with Joe, he's been baiting him since joe stopped rapping. I guarantee you he came up with everything. This was a sneaky concept album for a quick buck
@@whatudoin1 100%. But now its like idk if they could ever fully form back together. But they own the shit? so whats it worth now idk. But this album is corny to be marketed this way because it would have had the same buzz just from getting more slaughterhouse period. Especially with the "return of rap" with Ransom, Griselda, etc. I agree with Royce all this is doing is hurting the brand.
@@whatudoin1 but Crooked was the only one to show up in Detroit in December, Joe didn’t show up and Joell didn’t show up because Joe didn’t go. Crooked and Royce Recorded while he was there .
@@dpeezy619 😂 come out the closet lol who was talkin to u 😂 i was talkim to kd Swagger..u wanna go back n forth with men i see lol ..mind ya business klown
I see ppl saying Joell and Crooked shouldn't have done this... Why? Joe has capitalized off talking about the slaughterhouse situation and shady issue. Why can't they talk about their truths just as Joe and Royce did? Regardless of the different levels of success it effects the group. They put the album out and spoke up on the behind the scenes conversation etc.
Bruh you acting like him speaking on slaughterhouse got him clout lol, a lot of joe budden pod fans don’t even know slaughter house. They made a whole album, and named it after slaughter house, that’s super clout chaser. Especially when they album that came out last year got no traction.
I think everyone's forgetting the fact that Joe spent years on Hot97 as a radio host/personality when he quit rap before. He's been gearing up to be who he is since then imo and he really don't care to deal with the politics and pitfalls of a rap contract these days.
I'm taking the side of Crook and Joell. I can't believe a guy who has been lying about being from Detroit for over 20yrs. Dude grew up in the suburbs and it shows. If I'm up and I can help my guys get a bag I'm going to do that.
As cool as it is to hear these dudes' insights., If they ain't even fully familiar with the situation and what's been happening, they opinions come from ignorance
@@theREALchriszito but it’s just slaughterhouse, bro. I really don’t care lol it’s not like we’re talking about Tribe, Kast, or Mobb Deep. I fw all members of slaughterhouse, but honestly, I mostly just fw Joe and Royce. The other two were ancillary. And the music was very hit or miss. House Rules was dope though
Same shit I'm sitting here saying smh. There is enough evidence from all parties involved to understand what the issue is or at least have a good idea of Joe's and Royce's position on why this was handled all wrong. It saddens me a bit because all four are so different and I enjoyed what they all brought to the table as a group. This could've been handled so differently but I guess when yuh gotta eat... yuh gotta eat 🤷🏾♀️
@@qaspanova if that was the case it would have been as bad. But you really wanna listen to someone that know as much as you do? 👀👀 Not me, I'd rather listen to someone who knows more than me.
No one in that room, Math included, understand anything about what they are talking about in this segment. The issues with in Slaughterhouse where covered in several UA-cam videos where the artist are explaining for themselves their issues as a group. I fuck with the podcast heavy but the conversation of how men treat each other in business situations and why is joe constantly destroying relationships and why does it seem that Royce could jump out the window to support joe and em but are looking at his group members like they are crazy could have gone deeper than what they are talking about. In short a less than a hours worth of research could have went a long way here.
Yeah, they’re misinformed with this topic. And furthermore, the album is 🔥 and I appreciate the closure. It sucks as a long time fan. They have the fans what they been wanting for years. Joe is always known for being destructive and he’s bulletproof when it comes to accountability. He and Royce both play word semantics to move the goal post. Eminem genuinely wanted Slaughterhouse to win, he just wanted to be hands on completely and maybe he was a little overzealous. this whole situation is one of many that just reinforces how hard it is for groups to stay cohesive and solid. It also gives you greater appreciation for groups like Wu-Tang and The LOX who handle things behind the scenes if there was any brotherhood issues, they stay intact.
Come on now. Let’s stop acting like Joe isn’t a Prima Donna. Crook clearly stated that he told Joe to write down what he wanted in the contract and Crook would take it back to the table for negotiation because he’s not playing the back-and-forth game. Then Joe never called.
@@fairgamewithtjorum take it you haven’t really heard anything about how Joe actually did receive paperwork but said he was not feeling it, so Crook tells Joe write down what you want because the investor was welling to negotiate. I didn’t think I had to explain all that.
Y’all have this narrative all wrong. Research is essential. At the end of the day, Joe and Royce seemed to insist on petty semantics and specifics instead of making sure no misunderstandings came up in the first place. Certain parts Royce was even enabling Joe’s behavior and there was mad gaslighting going on. As much as they’re upper echelon emcees, they were mad condescending and passive aggressive to dudes who they claimed were their “brothers.” Also, you can't retire from rap and then claim that your "brothers", your fucking group members can't continue using the brand you were once part of.
@@presidave1931 How so? Look at the Lupe/Mickey situation. Royce and Joe were mad condescending to Mickey, it was ridiculous seeing grown adults act like that. Look at how many bridges Joe has burned in the last few years. People be mad biased and just side with their favorite rappers.
The real narrative is they just got ownership last year. Crook and Joell took the first bag offered as free agents and acted like they been waiting for 10 years. Crook mad because Joe makes more and try to virtue signal to fans like it’s foul. Equity isn’t equal.
@@presidave1931 how do I need to do the research? I’ve been a SH fan since the beginning and I’ve seen how Royce has been moving these last 6 months. It’s documented since he plays in the world of social media while being on live. If you’re blind to the dishonesty, immaturity, nitpicking and balance from Royce then I feel sorry for you. Narcissism, ego and bad communication broke up SH which Royce and Joe played a big part of. Stop it.
Crook brought a deal with ownership and they said Royce wouldn’t do it without Joe and Joe retired. Also they’re going by their names not the name Slaughterhouse
Y’all need to know your facts before you start talking about an issue. Great convo! It’s just frustrating when you don’t even know the name of the album and haven’t seen all the conversations before you address the subject. But much respect to you Math for another great Podcast.
To get the full on this situation just go watch Crooked Bootleg Kev interview it will give you all the info needed. I don’t think you guys have enough of the info on this situation respectfully
Joell & Crook could’ve did a dope project without the drama, had Joe & Royce POSITIVE support for the project, still drew interest to the project and kept the possibility of new Slaughterhouse projects on the table and all the fans still together. This seems like the bags will be short lived now because after a while nobody gonna care again.
The possibility of NEW SH PROJECTS? dafuk?? After 10years?? you fail to realize that Crook and Joel are DONE with SH! Hence the name "The Rise and Fall of SH" Its officially OVER! Thanks Crook and Joel!! Album is 🔥🔥🔥
They got the whole argument wrong. They should have listened to the album before this discussion. The problem is they've been waiting on Joe for years and to them they've always had to wait on Joe for everything
Been one of the fans waiting in the slaughterhouse album for years, a lot of things were changed because Joe wanted those changes, JOE more than once has said he is retired so why would they expect him to jump in the boot especially when his energy isn't in it? Crook & Joel did what they have within their rights to do "speak their truth" th question of it being for the bag or not is petty semantics.
@@hawafiia Yeah it sounds like it fam... this situation got so much that can be discussed i hate it kind of fell flat... I hope they have this discussion again
They all don’t, I hope math isn’t being a click baiter. He made a clip about worst rappers and didn’t mention anyone and anyone who was brought up he claimed to be friends with.
Rappers who can really rap will always have this issue. The people who can't rap don't have this issue because there is no ego being that they suck. When you can do something really well, there is ALWAYS ego injected into everything you do. This is why Lil Nipples and Lil Dookie Snacks can make projects together and Slaughterhouse would have their issues.
That's what I was thinking! Like, how can they address an issue an nobody did some homework before speaking....i blame Math cuz its his platform...if your gonna bring up a topic...know the topic.
You be feeling like you right in there watching the debate! These guys put real dope energy into these convos man, just like me and my homies! You guys doing yalls THANG
The concept of the album is fire. Pretty much they’re giving the fans closure. If Royce & Joe wanted no parts why would they come to them for approval.
Also he said get off shady they finally got off and didn't put out glasshouse or do anything. Like Crook said we can have zoom meeting but can't talk about the album
If you didn't like the deal Crooked brought to the table and You have your reasons, then you call up your man & speak your piece, when he said "im not working on shady" the group agreed and left shady, still NOTHING was happening, 10 while years & nothing has happened. These guys clearly not brothers coznif they were Joe and Royce will not speak of/to them in these tones, they are hurt and bitter, Joe has used Slaughterhouse as he likes why is that an issue with Crook & Royce doing same
They have only been off of Shady for a year and since Joe and Royce don't want to do the very 1st deal presented, it's a dub on the whole group according to Crook? That's bogus... Royce produced Crooked's brothers whole album and was working on Crooked's next solo album before all of this but Crooked stopped picking up Royce's calls. Crooked and Joell wanted free promo and didn't expect the backlash. But the offer was nasty Crooked keeps saying the deal involved ownership, what he's not saying is that the group already owns the brand, so the ownership would be given to whoever he was trying to run the deal through.
@@TheLight859 it was not a SLAUGHTERHOUSE album.. it was an album from JOELL ortiz and KXNG crooked where they are describing their time on SLAUGHTERHOUSE and how it is over. The album is solid and both artists proved they are elite lyrically as they have been...
@@ryankellz where in my comment did I say it was a Slaughterhouse project?! It was put promoted as a diss album, hell even the promo bts vids were cut up to promote a beef. They could've made this whole project and called it H.A.R.D 2, but they wanted the drama for the attention. But they didn't kno that Royce would take it so personal
@@ryankellz nobody has ever said that Joell and Crooked couldn't rap, so elite bars was to be expected but some of the beats and choruses are lackluster and come off lazy to me. But if you like it enjoy
@@clgaines2006 when Royce and joe went live then added Joell ….Royce basically said I just produced and rapped wit crook . He had been hittin his ph wit no response. Then he hit him up bout a remix he did for crook and his bro for lil bro group and crook wouldn’t text back so he posted it to ig and @ him and all parties involved responded except crook. ….in summary
Shit ran its course... sure the actual reunion would've been dope for their core audience. At this point, Joe's fans dont even care if he ever raps again, he runs one of the most successful urban podcasts out we all know of it, if not also listening to it. Royce, as DZA stated, has probably made the best music of his career, recently, as a soloist, he doesn't have the urgency to jump up to create music with the group, and already stated and doubled-down on it being a no-go without Joe. I havent heard the album, but Crook and Joell are both more than capable of handling their business as soloists or part of a collective, even as a duo, as implied by the good reactions to the project. I haven't heard it, but they need to just burn the group flag and continue doing what they are all currently doing vs forcing things back together with the issues unresolved... As for the stream-friction they had, Joe already admitted he does shit to play "in-character" at times, same shit Charleston White basically does, and many others... I wouldn't be surprised if the scenario was partially staged, but went left, honestly.
The most spot on analysis of the whole drama. Everyone's perspective has been touched upon here, just listen closely to what DZA and Esso are saying especially ;)
I hella appreciate the breakdowns of the issue and conversations. Joe's podcast gave some initial insight but was still spoken where people who likely know the business understood everything said and not said. Math's show gave a level more clarity of the dynamics at play and how each side could be walking through it. As a nigga building money in a different way and parallel to the entertainment industry, I appreciate and am learning from the business and relationship aspects they are breaking down. S/O to the entire crew breaking down the convo 💯💪🏾
Look, Joe fuck'd up SlaughterHouse! Point, Blank, Period! Royce shock'd me by how strong he's siding with Joe. Royce isn't being the 5'9" in my top 5 🤔 it's all weird to me!
Bro that album is 🔥🔥🔥 and truth be told as far as slaughterhouse Joe was the Wackies in the group.. Royce is a beast on 🎤 but they can’t mess with crooked I and joell Ortiz.. I appreciate the album we needed that..
Love Rise and Fall of Slaughter.. can’t wait to hear what Royce and Joe bring.. heard the snippet from Royce and it was SUPER HEAT! When the dust settle.. would be super great to see them unite like voltron again 💯
I never understood why they couldn’t all get in a room handle the business properly. That was hard seeing them arguing on IG. Get together figure it out for the fans & each other.
So first and for most huge fan big ups to all ur team LIV your content and how u always finding a way to keep it interesting and being true to your rules and goals!!!! I also wanna start a podcast but based on what I think is a market that no one in my realm has not done !!! Till me can u give me a good starting platform to reach a broad fan base?
Really disappointing that none of ya'll had all sides of the story, but are speaking on the situation. Kinda wild and unfair to Crook and Joell. Maybe get Crook on there since you heard Joe's side?
Reading the comments and there’s a lot of people with the same sentiment as myself. Math you took a step back with episode now I have to question your motive or things you say.
Beef? You're confused! Joe and Royce don't want beef! They would rather gossip about it on a podcast than get the creative juices flowing and put it in song form! Thank you Crooked and Joel for closing the door! album is 🔥🔥🔥BTW!
Ya gonna sit here and act like “Joe” ain’t a problematic Barbie doll? He has ruined all relationships he comes across! It’s him not them, so but if you’ve always been a problem then naturally everyone looks at you as the problem
@MathHoffa you need to give your co-hosts topics for them to do some research before the episodes my man. Lots of listeners are very aware of what is going on now days and when they hear a co-host talking and he/her come across like he does not know what is going on. It is bad for the show. In my humble opinion
Rap is an expression of life experiences and what better way to tell your story, some of the best music comes from real life. I respect and like all these guys, but I personally think it's their way of moving on. Just air it out and go from there! JMO.
Shit is disrespectful..look up when Royce got into it it with Raekwon because Joe got his ass beat and only reason Royce made it out of LA without a blemish is because of Crook..they ish deeper than music
Joe wants someone to beg him. His ego's out there. Royce also knows full well that joe said he's not rapping anymore. So to say he's not doing it to me is him saying no without saying it.
All of this is mainly over what Joell and Crook decided to title the album, as stated by Joe and Royce. I don’t get the issue when Joe stated he wasn’t with the project, and Royce said he wasn’t doing it without Joe. What’s the problem? Why niggas gotta wait on niggas who retired and already secured a major bag, and another nigga playing the middle?
Exactly. Crook and Joell don’t have the same popularity that Royce and Joe have. The fans were strung along for the last 9-10 years. Joe and Royce are their own worse enemies. They both showed an extreme lack of character.
Bro they spent 15 mins debating their opinion and was totally lost at what was the details 🤦🏾♂️ niggas be ready to argue dont even know any of the facts. Dza spent all that time downplaying joel and crooked talking about Joe buddens and the “below my rate” comment and didnt know it was about ownership and it wasnt below his rate obviously bc Joe Budden mad
It's like nobody here heard what Crook had to say at all. I'm not saying one side is right or wrong, but they're taking about this without an entire half of the context.
You can't tell your friends every Friday that you don't wanna go to the Casino and then get mad when they go without you and win a bunch of money.
this...
Real talk.
True, but that ain't how it went.
@@Jaedon1981 that’s exactly how it went
@@kingofwestbmore not how it went. It’s like your friends offering you a spot to come rob a bank & you say no and instead they rob your house while your sleeping.
DZA said, "Integrity, codes, and morals" in defense of Mr. Joe "I don't honor contracts" Budden. . .LoL
That nigga trying to on Joe Budden show only thing that’s makes sense to me for him to pull that shit out the air
You do know that business, has nothing to do with “integrity and morals…” 😐That’s literally the point of how business has been able to F🤬 over the little guy forever… Business is whatever you negotiate and what your lawyer can enforce later. TEFOH Son. It’s amazing you’re never yelling “integrity and morals” for the record execs when we’re talking about artist who signed bad deals… 😐 lol always moving the goal post. 😂
@@Borderlinepsycotic Woa woa woa...slow down killa!!! LoL
I agree with everything you've said and that's exactly why I am an observer of the foolishness. Y'all can have the entertainment industry, business, law, contracts, dreams, aspirations, fame, money and whatever else comes wit it.
I'm just a commenter and fan of hip hop music & culture. I don't take this ish personal...🤷🏾♂️
Everything is an illusion.
Everything is a scam.
@@dually81 😂. Woooooord. 🤜🏾
DZA is good friends with Mal. That’s why he said that. Mal is mad at Joe but not mad at Jay-Z (the big homie) so 🤷🏾♂️
The whole thing boils down to this. Joell and Crook were just done with all the drama and just said enough. Crook has publicly stated he is quitting rapping. He is retiring. He is using his art to tell his truth like he always does.
They made this album for the closure for the fans and themselves because they knew it was never gonna happen and they were tired of waiting.
Right. It’s not hard to discern the angle they took. They were disappointed and they were hurt.
ua-cam.com/video/5CwweMLm5BI/v-deo.html 💕
So why were they trying to make another with them??
Boils down to a money grab nothing else
Crook never said he was quitting rapping. He said he wasn't doing solo projects after his last album, which he's working on, is finished.
Joes weird. Like, I don’t wanna play and I wanna take the ball home so no one else can play.
To top it off n****s somehow manage to get another ball and he’s in his feelings.
"Joe was never given an opportunity to say no"
No answer at all has to be an answer in itself.
It was a NO when Joe said he’s retired. Simple.
@@noydb8310 there was allot more spoken behind doors that Joe didn't share with the public, but the group was aware of.
Plus Joe said he would rap with Slaughterhouse. He said he retired as long as they stayed on Shady. There’s more to the story than people know
Joe is only mad because the option of a reunion was taken away from him. He's been the leader of his bubble and this decision was taken away from him. And Royce just doesn't get that these 2 are done with the brand. "how can I sell people a tshirt if you did this album behind our backs" Fam, they clearly said their done. Forget the tshirt, its over.
Its like breaking up with your girl and she tell you "if you breakup with me I'll never sleep with you again!" b1t
Joe had they #.. I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THE DAY WHEN GROWN MEN BECOMES CHATTY-PATTYS!! EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK NOW U GOT DUDES IN OTHER DUDES BUSINESS!! POCKET WATCHING. THIS Internet has become very dangerous!!! Turns Men into Gossipy Females!!!
@Math Hoffa.
You need to re-do this episode after doing the research.
This topic is worth having another episode!
Would have been a great episode if you all knew the full details!
Yeah I agree they don’t have enough information on it to be speaking on it because because it’s not the way they think it is
yup they really dint have many facts house gang is a whole different group i think possibly crooked brother might be in the group i could be wrong
Must listen to the album and interviews first than start the convo.
@@justbudd1886 exactly bro
Facts
I don't think math did his homework on this topic
This is Joell and Crooked 2nd album together. Group is called "Hard" not Slaughterhouse. Since Joe retired the others continued to do music regardless. Royce, joell and Crooked were on each other's projects.
Crazy how this is the narrative and not how 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 the actual album is.
Yeah its really not a diss record. it's basically like unsung, or behind the music made into a album.
Facts!
Crooked for years have been trying to get the group back together. He’s publicly been doing it, Joe has publicly been saying he’s retire he ain’t rapping no more. Joell and Crooked just sound fed up, seems like they’re saying fuck it let’s speak our mind and be done with this.
Preach! (Facts)
@@21street-erfication90 not facts, just last year Joe said he plans to go to Detroit to get back in rapper mode. Back then we didn't know that they just got released from Shady and were finally free agents.
Crook was just fed up with Joe, he's been baiting him since joe stopped rapping. I guarantee you he came up with everything. This was a sneaky concept album for a quick buck
@@whatudoin1 100%. But now its like idk if they could ever fully form back together. But they own the shit? so whats it worth now idk. But this album is corny to be marketed this way because it would have had the same buzz just from getting more slaughterhouse period. Especially with the "return of rap" with Ransom, Griselda, etc. I agree with Royce all this is doing is hurting the brand.
@@whatudoin1 but Crooked was the only one to show up in Detroit in December, Joe didn’t show up and Joell didn’t show up because Joe didn’t go. Crooked and Royce Recorded while he was there .
Royce literally sat in this barbershop and told Math that it was group members who had issues with each other.
Seeing Slaughterhouse break up is sad to me, but The Rise & Fall of Slaughterhouse is a solid album. Props to Joell Ortiz & Crooked I.
U must be on Drugz im not listening to No Slaughter house Album without the All Slaughter House Members
@@2solid4tv48 Not on drugs at all. They all put out solid projects individually or with someone else.
@@2solid4tv48 nobody cares wtf you listen too🤣🤣🤣... the people who listened to it know it's a great album
@@dpeezy619 😂 come out the closet lol who was talkin to u 😂 i was talkim to kd Swagger..u wanna go back n forth with men i see lol ..mind ya business klown
@@2solid4tv48 It's not a slaughterhouse album. U buggin
Mouse has been in the wrong since the Shady deal 🤦🏾♂️
I think you’re missing “Fall” in the title
I see ppl saying Joell and Crooked shouldn't have done this... Why? Joe has capitalized off talking about the slaughterhouse situation and shady issue. Why can't they talk about their truths just as Joe and Royce did? Regardless of the different levels of success it effects the group. They put the album out and spoke up on the behind the scenes conversation etc.
The only comment spittin truth
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Bruh you acting like him speaking on slaughterhouse got him clout lol, a lot of joe budden pod fans don’t even know slaughter house. They made a whole album, and named it after slaughter house, that’s super clout chaser. Especially when they album that came out last year got no traction.
@@6thbr871 yes it did. its his most watched episode ever.
@@dutchcaliber its no where near lol why did you just make that up ? 😂😂😂
I think everyone's forgetting the fact that Joe spent years on Hot97 as a radio host/personality when he quit rap before.
He's been gearing up to be who he is since then imo and he really don't care to deal with the politics and pitfalls of a rap contract these days.
I'm taking the side of Crook and Joell. I can't believe a guy who has been lying about being from Detroit for over 20yrs. Dude grew up in the suburbs and it shows. If I'm up and I can help my guys get a bag I'm going to do that.
Joe never called Crook and Crook had the deal. Joe told Joell he was going to call Crook and never did.
Joe has said that he breaks contracts all the time. How can you trust someone like that in business?
As cool as it is to hear these dudes' insights., If they ain't even fully familiar with the situation and what's been happening, they opinions come from ignorance
They’re having a convo the way regular ppl have them. Relax
@@dfwherbie8814 difference being this convo is not only had, but recorded edited and published
@@theREALchriszito but it’s just slaughterhouse, bro. I really don’t care lol it’s not like we’re talking about Tribe, Kast, or Mobb Deep. I fw all members of slaughterhouse, but honestly, I mostly just fw Joe and Royce. The other two were ancillary. And the music was very hit or miss. House Rules was dope though
@@dfwherbie8814 how you go from “they having a regular convo” to “yeah but f slaughterhouse, except joe and Royce”???
@@theREALchriszito who said f them? I’m saying who cares? They were a big disappointment. Very short lived. And that’s it
I respect you guys, and rock with yalls. But shouldn't you guys know about what's going on before talking about it?
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Big facts
Same shit I'm sitting here saying smh. There is enough evidence from all parties involved to understand what the issue is or at least have a good idea of Joe's and Royce's position on why this was handled all wrong. It saddens me a bit because all four are so different and I enjoyed what they all brought to the table as a group. This could've been handled so differently but I guess when yuh gotta eat... yuh gotta eat 🤷🏾♀️
They are only giving opinions though. They know as much as we do
@@qaspanova if that was the case it would have been as bad.
But you really wanna listen to someone that know as much as you do?
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Not me, I'd rather listen to someone who knows more than me.
@@holymsophy Different strokes...
Joell and Crooked dropped some fire shit the last two weeks
No one in that room, Math included, understand anything about what they are talking about in this segment. The issues with in Slaughterhouse where covered in several UA-cam videos where the artist are explaining for themselves their issues as a group. I fuck with the podcast heavy but the conversation of how men treat each other in business situations and why is joe constantly destroying relationships and why does it seem that Royce could jump out the window to support joe and em but are looking at his group members like they are crazy could have gone deeper than what they are talking about. In short a less than a hours worth of research could have went a long way here.
Yeah, they’re misinformed with this topic. And furthermore, the album is 🔥 and I appreciate the closure. It sucks as a long time fan. They have the fans what they been wanting for years. Joe is always known for being destructive and he’s bulletproof when it comes to accountability. He and Royce both play word semantics to move the goal post. Eminem genuinely wanted Slaughterhouse to win, he just wanted to be hands on completely and maybe he was a little overzealous. this whole situation is one of many that just reinforces how hard it is for groups to stay cohesive and solid. It also gives you greater appreciation for groups like Wu-Tang and The LOX who handle things behind the scenes if there was any brotherhood issues, they stay intact.
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Basically Joe was fed up with the music industry and ain’t wanna rap no ain’t no deep dive
Come on now. Let’s stop acting like Joe isn’t a Prima Donna. Crook clearly stated that he told Joe to write down what he wanted in the contract and Crook would take it back to the table for negotiation because he’s not playing the back-and-forth game. Then Joe never called.
Bullsh**t that’s not how business is done! There’s no reason reason why all parties shouldn’t receive paperwork you’re buggin…
@@fairgamewithtjorum take it you haven’t really heard anything about how Joe actually did receive paperwork but said he was not feeling it, so Crook tells Joe write down what you want because the investor was welling to negotiate. I didn’t think I had to explain all that.
Can we get this episode replayed after everyone has done their research and have some type of information on the topic...
Y’all have this narrative all wrong. Research is essential. At the end of the day, Joe and Royce seemed to insist on petty semantics and specifics instead of making sure no misunderstandings came up in the first place. Certain parts Royce was even enabling Joe’s behavior and there was mad gaslighting going on. As much as they’re upper echelon emcees, they were mad condescending and passive aggressive to dudes who they claimed were their “brothers.” Also, you can't retire from rap and then claim that your "brothers", your fucking group members can't continue using the brand you were once part of.
you might need to do the research..
@@presidave1931 How so? Look at the Lupe/Mickey situation. Royce and Joe were mad condescending to Mickey, it was ridiculous seeing grown adults act like that. Look at how many bridges Joe has burned in the last few years. People be mad biased and just side with their favorite rappers.
@@presidave1931 Research?? 😂 There's enough video proof to back up his story....
The real narrative is they just got ownership last year. Crook and Joell took the first bag offered as free agents and acted like they been waiting for 10 years. Crook mad because Joe makes more and try to virtue signal to fans like it’s foul. Equity isn’t equal.
@@presidave1931 how do I need to do the research? I’ve been a SH fan since the beginning and I’ve seen how Royce has been moving these last 6 months. It’s documented since he plays in the world of social media while being on live. If you’re blind to the dishonesty, immaturity, nitpicking and balance from Royce then I feel sorry for you. Narcissism, ego and bad communication broke up SH which Royce and Joe played a big part of. Stop it.
Crook brought a deal with ownership and they said Royce wouldn’t do it without Joe and Joe retired. Also they’re going by their names not the name Slaughterhouse
Y’all need to know your facts before you start talking about an issue. Great convo! It’s just frustrating when you don’t even know the name of the album and haven’t seen all the conversations before you address the subject. But much respect to you Math for another great Podcast.
How do people still think they’re calling themselves Slaughterhouse? There a lot yous don’t seem to know about this situation.
joe & royce deserve each other
It's amazing to me that the same information is available to everyone, and even the people involved have misinterpreted the information lol
To get the full on this situation just go watch Crooked Bootleg Kev interview it will give you all the info needed. I don’t think you guys have enough of the info on this situation respectfully
Joell & Crook could’ve did a dope project without the drama, had Joe & Royce POSITIVE support for the project, still drew interest to the project and kept the possibility of new Slaughterhouse projects on the table and all the fans still together. This seems like the bags will be short lived now because after a while nobody gonna care again.
The possibility of NEW SH PROJECTS? dafuk?? After 10years?? you fail to realize that Crook and Joel are DONE with SH! Hence the name "The Rise and Fall of SH" Its officially OVER! Thanks Crook and Joel!! Album is 🔥🔥🔥
@@HollywoodScoob You must ain’t seen that post on Royce IG he posted last night lol 😆 go look
This would be the perfect platform to have these 4 ,3 or 2 guys on to discuss this.
It'll never happen but it would be nice
@@BlackSh33p317 I'd pay to see it.
Budden wouldn't show up
They got the whole argument wrong. They should have listened to the album before this discussion. The problem is they've been waiting on Joe for years and to them they've always had to wait on Joe for everything
This conversation is coming from a spot of having small bits of information and not checking out all the sides that you can before this conversation
Been one of the fans waiting in the slaughterhouse album for years, a lot of things were changed because Joe wanted those changes, JOE more than once has said he is retired so why would they expect him to jump in the boot especially when his energy isn't in it?
Crook & Joel did what they have within their rights to do "speak their truth" th question of it being for the bag or not is petty semantics.
Joe and Royce called the album trash ( which it's not ), so I don't know how good that kind of "marketing" would be....
This shit might all be a publicity stunt to promote the project and have people talk about it 🧐🤔
@@theuniversejr that's a possibility 🤷♂️ The interviews I've seen with Crook seem pretty convincing.
I fuck with you math but it's kinda foul for people to be saying they doing this for clout
Does SMOKE DZA know anything about the Slaughterhouse situation??? This conversation is throwing a ball out a window
He don’t.
@@hawafiia Yeah it sounds like it fam... this situation got so much that can be discussed i hate it kind of fell flat... I hope they have this discussion again
They all don’t, I hope math isn’t being a click baiter. He made a clip about worst rappers and didn’t mention anyone and anyone who was brought up he claimed to be friends with.
🤣🤣🤣 I don't have all your bread today 🤣🤣🤣
Rappers who can really rap will always have this issue. The people who can't rap don't have this issue because there is no ego being that they suck. When you can do something really well, there is ALWAYS ego injected into everything you do. This is why Lil Nipples and Lil Dookie Snacks can make projects together and Slaughterhouse would have their issues.
This would makes sense if the lox ain’t exist
@@KingsEnterprizes they came in from childhood as a group. Slightly different
@@hawafiia sheek louch came in after the fact but regardless this was to address the rappers who can really rap part
Brockhampton exists. They are a rap group like it or not.
Not true, even non lyricists can have big egos. They have egos because of fame, money, accolades etc.
Sadly, no one here was informed about such an interesting topic. Could’ve been a dope segment smh!
That's what I was thinking! Like, how can they address an issue an nobody did some homework before speaking....i blame Math cuz its his platform...if your gonna bring up a topic...know the topic.
This was a good one I appreciate it. ✊🏾
You be feeling like you right in there watching the debate! These guys put real dope energy into these convos man, just like me and my homies! You guys doing yalls THANG
The concept of the album is fire. Pretty much they’re giving the fans closure. If Royce & Joe wanted no parts why would they come to them for approval.
FACTS! Thats ALL its ABOUT!!! CLOSURE! Nada Mas!! BTW ALBUM IS 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Also he said get off shady they finally got off and didn't put out glasshouse or do anything. Like Crook said we can have zoom meeting but can't talk about the album
This show is getting better and better. Good insight and schema.
I think y’all forgot a word in the title
All y’all gotta do is invite Joell n Crook to the show ✌🏽
Joe wontdo that cause Crooks got reciepts! Notice Crook has NOT been on JBP! lmao Joe's a joke! Album is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Royce and Joe gave that album free press, prolly all planned from all sides
If you didn't like the deal Crooked brought to the table and You have your reasons, then you call up your man & speak your piece, when he said "im not working on shady" the group agreed and left shady, still NOTHING was happening, 10 while years & nothing has happened.
These guys clearly not brothers coznif they were Joe and Royce will not speak of/to them in these tones, they are hurt and bitter, Joe has used Slaughterhouse as he likes why is that an issue with Crook & Royce doing same
They have only been off of Shady for a year and since Joe and Royce don't want to do the very 1st deal presented, it's a dub on the whole group according to Crook? That's bogus... Royce produced Crooked's brothers whole album and was working on Crooked's next solo album before all of this but Crooked stopped picking up Royce's calls. Crooked and Joell wanted free promo and didn't expect the backlash. But the offer was nasty Crooked keeps saying the deal involved ownership, what he's not saying is that the group already owns the brand, so the ownership would be given to whoever he was trying to run the deal through.
@@TheLight859 it was not a SLAUGHTERHOUSE album.. it was an album from JOELL ortiz and KXNG crooked where they are describing their time on SLAUGHTERHOUSE and how it is over. The album is solid and both artists proved they are elite lyrically as they have been...
@@ryankellz where in my comment did I say it was a Slaughterhouse project?! It was put promoted as a diss album, hell even the promo bts vids were cut up to promote a beef. They could've made this whole project and called it H.A.R.D 2, but they wanted the drama for the attention. But they didn't kno that Royce would take it so personal
@@ryankellz nobody has ever said that Joell and Crooked couldn't rap, so elite bars was to be expected but some of the beats and choruses are lackluster and come off lazy to me. But if you like it enjoy
This one is lit!!!🔥🔥🔥🤣
Love the build 💯
This is the most uninformed conversation on this topic lol 😝
This conversation should've been put on hold until they actually knew the whole story. Hopefully they do a part 2 to this. But they probably won't...
I don't think everyone speaking on are in tune to everything. Because if Joe is not returning calls, no I'm not pulling up on him. That's it.
Royce said crooked wasn’t responding either
@@simplemoney1833 you will have to point that out to me because i never heard that.
@@clgaines2006 when Royce and joe went live then added Joell ….Royce basically said I just produced and rapped wit crook . He had been hittin his ph wit no response. Then he hit him up bout a remix he did for crook and his bro for lil bro group and crook wouldn’t text back so he posted it to ig and @ him and all parties involved responded except crook. ….in summary
Shit ran its course... sure the actual reunion would've been dope for their core audience. At this point, Joe's fans dont even care if he ever raps again, he runs one of the most successful urban podcasts out we all know of it, if not also listening to it. Royce, as DZA stated, has probably made the best music of his career, recently, as a soloist, he doesn't have the urgency to jump up to create music with the group, and already stated and doubled-down on it being a no-go without Joe.
I havent heard the album, but Crook and Joell are both more than capable of handling their business as soloists or part of a collective, even as a duo, as implied by the good reactions to the project. I haven't heard it, but they need to just burn the group flag and continue doing what they are all currently doing vs forcing things back together with the issues unresolved...
As for the stream-friction they had, Joe already admitted he does shit to play "in-character" at times, same shit Charleston White basically does, and many others... I wouldn't be surprised if the scenario was partially staged, but went left, honestly.
Am waiting for this be some set up for April 1st!!!!!
I wish y’all would’ve came more informed about the the situation. All of you are coming off like your clueless about particulars that are out here.
"Hip hop and good business have never been synonymous together "
The most spot on analysis of the whole drama.
Everyone's perspective has been touched upon here, just listen closely to what DZA and Esso are saying especially ;)
I hella appreciate the breakdowns of the issue and conversations. Joe's podcast gave some initial insight but was still spoken where people who likely know the business understood everything said and not said. Math's show gave a level more clarity of the dynamics at play and how each side could be walking through it.
As a nigga building money in a different way and parallel to the entertainment industry, I appreciate and am learning from the business and relationship aspects they are breaking down. S/O to the entire crew breaking down the convo 💯💪🏾
The crazy thing is that was Joe’s exact reason the same thing Dza said - Verbatim
Can’t lie it definitely is kind of wack if it’s true
These folks don't even know what they talking about... At least get the information first
Look, Joe fuck'd up SlaughterHouse! Point, Blank, Period! Royce shock'd me by how strong he's siding with Joe. Royce isn't being the 5'9" in my top 5 🤔 it's all weird to me!
They not beefing over the name. The name of their two man group isn’t Slaughterhouse. But the project about slaughterhouse
Lol it’s called the rise and fall of slaughterhouse
The people in this conversation need to research this topic.
Bro that album is 🔥🔥🔥 and truth be told as far as slaughterhouse Joe was the Wackies in the group.. Royce is a beast on 🎤 but they can’t mess with crooked I and joell Ortiz.. I appreciate the album we needed that..
Lies album mid asf
@@fairgamewithtjorum clown! The ALBUM IS 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Got the homie Smoke Dza in there 💯💯💯
Love Rise and Fall of Slaughter.. can’t wait to hear what Royce and Joe bring.. heard the snippet from Royce and it was SUPER HEAT!
When the dust settle.. would be super great to see them unite like voltron again 💯
Oh that's the name of the album - research needed to be done on this
"THIS IZ THA' PLIGHT OF MUSIC GROUPS","ESPECIALLY IN RAP/HIP - HOP"!
I never understood why they couldn’t all get in a room handle the business properly. That was hard seeing them arguing on IG. Get together figure it out for the fans & each other.
Hip hop and good business has never been synonymous 😤💨🍃
This situation from what was said is not about money and they are not using the name Slaughter House. This is their way to put Slaughter House to bed.
Lol they clearly used the name slaughterhouse in the title
So first and for most huge fan big ups to all ur team LIV your content and how u always finding a way to keep it interesting and being true to your rules and goals!!!! I also wanna start a podcast but based on what I think is a market that no one in my realm has not done !!! Till me can u give me a good starting platform to reach a broad fan base?
Should have made a SLAUGHTERHOUSE PODCAST
Hoffa Gang
Joe had ruined everything he’s ever a part of
Really disappointing that none of ya'll had all sides of the story, but are speaking on the situation. Kinda wild and unfair to Crook and Joell. Maybe get Crook on there since you heard Joe's side?
Reading the comments and there’s a lot of people with the same sentiment as myself. Math you took a step back with episode now I have to question your motive or things you say.
The beef is them rapping about internal issues on songs and marketing the album that way
Beef? You're confused! Joe and Royce don't want beef! They would rather gossip about it on a podcast than get the creative juices flowing and put it in song form! Thank you Crooked and Joel for closing the door! album is 🔥🔥🔥BTW!
Ya gonna sit here and act like “Joe” ain’t a problematic Barbie doll? He has ruined all relationships he comes across! It’s him not them, so but if you’ve always been a problem then naturally everyone looks at you as the problem
@MathHoffa you need to give your co-hosts topics for them to do some research before the episodes my man. Lots of listeners are very aware of what is going on now days and when they hear a co-host talking and he/her come across like he does not know what is going on. It is bad for the show. In my humble opinion
That’s a SlaughterLivinroom now
Is that Smoke DZA??? DAMN.
Y'all need to get your Info, Facts and Music Logs correct. Smh.. This is exactly how rumors start RIGH HERE!
Rap is an expression of life experiences and what better way to tell your story, some of the best music comes from real life. I respect and like all these guys, but I personally think it's their way of moving on. Just air it out and go from there! JMO.
I still rap 🤣 Dza & Math voice
I agree , the album is dope
Dope discussion
I think the value will go if Joe & Royce did a album and I bet they recorded when Royce came to jersey
Shit is disrespectful..look up when Royce got into it it with Raekwon because Joe got his ass beat and only reason Royce made it out of LA without a blemish is because of Crook..they ish deeper than music
Joe wants someone to beg him. His ego's out there. Royce also knows full well that joe said he's not rapping anymore. So to say he's not doing it to me is him saying no without saying it.
My nigga Smoke DZA!! Started messing wit you back when Curren$y put you on his mixtape.you been 🔥💪🏾 ever since
I was mad hyped when they became a group
All of this is mainly over what Joell and Crook decided to title the album, as stated by Joe and Royce. I don’t get the issue when Joe stated he wasn’t with the project, and Royce said he wasn’t doing it without Joe. What’s the problem? Why niggas gotta wait on niggas who retired and already secured a major bag, and another nigga playing the middle?
Exactly. Egotistical nonsense keeping so called “homies” away from a bag. 🤔
Exactly. Crook and Joell don’t have the same popularity that Royce and Joe have. The fans were strung along for the last 9-10 years. Joe and Royce are their own worse enemies. They both showed an extreme lack of character.
@@michaelbaskervilleii9813 lol what’s a lack of character just give the project a different name
@@sebastienc.2257 The concept is the rise and fall of slaughterhouse what's so hard to understand? you call the album what it's actually about.
@@Dezzyyx man these dummies don’t get it
I glad he said that … because we really did think that joe was Sheed in Philly 😂
Beloved...Driplomatic Immunity tho...Hard (pause) #salute Smoke Dza #kushedgod riiiiight
Bro they spent 15 mins debating their opinion and was totally lost at what was the details 🤦🏾♂️ niggas be ready to argue dont even know any of the facts. Dza spent all that time downplaying joel and crooked talking about Joe buddens and the “below my rate” comment and didnt know it was about ownership and it wasnt below his rate obviously bc Joe Budden mad