Combat Clarification - Shishinomon Styles Explained: Hagio Ryu Kobujutsu
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- For the first Combat Clarification of 2025, I explain the history, techniques, and battles of Hagio Ryu Kobujutsu!
Special thanks to / @sugarpunch who's Style Select series served as the inspiration for this video!
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All information for today's Combat Clarification is curtesy of summaries of volumes 1-7 of Shishinomon provided to me by Nemesis via Discord as well as information from the Garouden manga and Baki Gaiden Yuenchi save for general surface level wiki'd background information about Kobujutsu in real life
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It would be cool to see a combat clarification on Bajiquan one day. It’s getting more popular recently but it’s been a common martial art in video games anime and manga for decades
i’m a user of bajiquan a lil bit it’s pretty fun, i haven’t mastered the kicks but i have mastered the elbows n stuff
@@LiShuBen probably one of my favorite Kung Fu styles, I’ll mark your request down!
@@DARK_HADOOI’ve done a little bajiquan, my guru studied a bit of the Muslim branch and taught us some of the jibengong as well as the intro to their version of xiao Baji (I believe this is the name, please correct me if I’m wrong) and I love the qualities you develop from consistent practice. I often hound my teacher for more details but he insists that “you guys know enough” so either he is pulling a Mr miyagi and he’s gonna reveal he’s been showing us the rest of the style all along or he just forgot the rest of the forms lol.
What branch of Baji do you train?
@@RedFoxGrappler❤
@@LiShuBen never heard of the branches but the style i use is ji-style bajiquan
A video discussing Wrestling and its history would be cool
@@kalebdickerson268 hey Kaleb! I still have your request for a Wrestling video that you made on the Musashi Dash video marked down! It might take awhile since I’m still fulfilling requests from over a year ago, but rest assured the video will be made AND you will be credited for the suggestion
@RedFoxGrappler I appreciate it. And take your time. There's no rush. I love your videos. Keep up the good work. 👍🏼
Cool video man! I love this evil, dark mfer. I never thought anyone would cover his way of fighting.
@@kingbyrd.1512 thank you! He’s def one of my favorites, so I’m glad to make the video and share with homies like you
W bro
@@-Nemesis-1 thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed and that I could finally get this done for you!
We got a Baki extended universe?
@@jocoolshow pretty much, and its in large part thanks to Kuga! If you wanna know more about the specifics like how the expanded universe happened and what we as viewers actually get out of it, I made a video about how Baki and Garouden are connected that might clear stuff up
May you do a video on hyper mobility? Or loosening the body in a relax posture? Many battle manga villains have this trend. Brian Hawke from Ippo, Rei from Strike it Rich, Kanoh from Kengan and Bando fro Kengan.
@@Avalos-Entertainment I’ve covered that general idea in the Kung Fu Explained and Xiao-Lee Explained videos, but in the future I plan to cover Kanoh and Bando as well as different Boxing styles in Hajime no Ippo and Strike It Rich styles and techniques, so I can cover it again there
Hello I have 2 questions is it true that jack Hanma is getting an angle back because I some people say he is but some people say it is not true and another question is in Baki dou when Baki uses his triceratops stance when he charges sukune when he lifts him up like a suplex and when sukune lands on his 2 feet Baki did some sort of spinning hand stand so is their a martial arts that can do all of that.
I would like to provide context and information in regards to Kobudo and Kobujutsu.
The Kobudo/Kobujutsu you're referring to and describing is Okinawan Kobudo. Of which, truly is integrated with Karate culture and is a vital part of their training. But is NOT used for warfare as such is a common misconception in regards to their practise. Okinawan Karate and Kobudo has always been practised as a means for self defense towards bandits, robbers or general muggers and did not see battlefield use.
What you meant to describe as the "battlefield" style is Japanese Kobudo/Kobujutsu. Which houses more of the traditional samurai disciplines like Kenjutsu, Iaijutsu, Naginatajutsu, Jujutsu, Sojutsu, Hojutsu and so on. These are what saw battlefield uses as they were used for combat in the Mainland.
Okinawan and Japanese Kobudo are their own unique and distinct practises that they can't exactly be classified as the same system. Okinawan Kobudo and their weapons are also performed in a way that will be used in Karate. (E.g. using bo strikes is analogue for Karate strikes, sai hooks to analogue pulling in opponents with pulling hand)
Whereas Japanese Kobudo are systems that supplements one another in case the samurai had been disarmed. So their weapon analogue techniques would go more towards Jujutsu and Aikijutsu. The use of swords and so on (which the Okinawans were not permitted to have due to a weapons ban).
TLDR, Okinawan Kobudo and Japanese Kobudo are not the same. They're their own distinct practises. Okinawan Kobudo supports Karate. Japanese Kobudo supports Jujutsu.
@@PhinTheShoto thanks for the insight! Which one Hagio Ryu is referring was unclear, so I opted to cover Kobujutsu in general, though if I had to choose between the two, Hagio Ryu seems to align more with Japanese Kobujutsu due to its characteristics of being more brutal and incorporating techniques like Semimaru, which is the style’s version of a Triangle Choke, a Japanese Jujutsu technique
@ in which case I see is more appropriate to their relevancy to Japanese Kobudo.
I study both Japanese and Okinawan Kobudo (mainly Okinawan due to Karate with bo and sai, and I study Japanese Kenjutsu and Iaido).
It's also important to distinguish the use of -jutsu and -do as well just for future videos. Bu-jutsu (martial techniques) are what are trained for actual combat and would see frequent battles, the arts used by samurais or any warrior class. Bu-do (martial arts) are trained for honing the mind, body and spirit by training the martial techniques as a conduit to do so. A lot of Japanese systems just prefer to call the older schools as Koryu (old schools).
Budo these days are what we commonly associate with Karate-do, Iaido, Judo, Aikido, Kendo which unifies old schools into one cohesive style (except Karate). Which are more about strengthening character and not for preparing for war such was the need for Bujutsu like Jujutsu, Aikijutsu, Kenjutsu and Iaijutsu.
So I believe this counts as an “Ansatsuken” or “Satsujinken”
@@Groomsman this would DEFINITELY be considered an Assassin Fist. There might be some that say no because it’s meant for war and not killing in duels or single combat, but only looking at deadliness, I think it qualifies
Anyone know where I can see an english translation of Shishinomon?
@@Gigantic1000 I don’t think there is one, not yet, but I have it on pretty good authority that there should be one coming, maybe within the year!
Hey question is it possible to be as of powerful which Baki characters what do know it’s definitely not the Hannma family.
@@Ceratopsia5 I’m sorry, I don’t understand what this means
@ sorry what I am saying is like is it possible to be powerful like those Baki characters or no
So baki and garouden are in the same universe
@@marcosubida153 you got it
Hey my son has a question which boxing style fights similar to Baki triceratops fist is it pressure fighter or slugger or both
Man, I'm sorry but your research is all wrong, there is no "Kobujutsu" Kobujutsu litreally means "Old-Style tecnique", there are styles that fall into the realm of Okinawan Kobudo (Old martial arts of Okinawa) and inside that we have the historical origin of karate, karate is literally Kobudo, if you see traditional okinawan karate they train all the weapon tecniques you call "kobujutsu" because karate is historically a kobudo style, the only reason you see difference between the two is because since karate is an olympic sport today people train tecniques relevant for the sport and not the full curriculum of karate. Karate is historically a grappling martial art that train weapons and unarmed tecniques, if you don't see that in your karate styles is because it is not an traditional okinawan style and its probably a modernized olympic version.
The research for this video was focused on Hagio Ryu Kobujutsu, a style originating from the Shishinomon novel series-a work of fiction. You're attempting to dismiss my research by invoking historical definitions and practices of Okinawan martial arts as if they 're the only valid frame of reference, however, Shishinomon, Garouden, and Baki repurpose and reinterpret historical terms to create engaging narratives. Insisting that “there is no ‘Kobujutsu’” would be ignoring the creative license of using the martial art in Shishinomon. Kobujutsu in Shishinomon doesn't adhere strictly to the historical classification used in Okinawan martial arts.
As for what little of actual, real life Kobujutsu I covered, the argument that “Kobujutsu literally means ‘old-style technique’” and that any martial art training involving traditional techniques falls under the umbrella of Okinawan Kobudo is incredibly reductive. Names and general terminology in martial arts can change over time. Yeah old Okinawan systems integrated both armed and unarmed techniques like I said in the video mind you, but modern interpretations don;t exclusively do the same. Hagio Ryu Kobujutsu shows that the name of Kobujutsu can be used flexibly, even if it diverges from a strict historical definition.
Also, you claim that “karate is literally kobudo” and that any deviation from training both armed and unarmed techniques indicates a modern, Olympic-influenced dilution of tradition, which is also reductive. The truth is, while lots of traditional Okinawan karate schools included weapons training, there was a significant diversity in the curriculum across all the different lineages and regions. For you to claim that any contemporary karate style not practicing a full curriculum is “not traditional” is completely disregarding the multifaceted nature of martial arts development, specifically how Tode, Chinese Hand, which was practiced in the Ryuku Kingdoms, which is modern day Okinawa, became Karate, EMPTY HAND, when it was adopted by Japan, a change that made Karate about fighting bare-handed rather than with weapons like in Kobujutsu and Kobudo. Such a generalized dismissal doesn't even matter when considering this fictional martial art style, which is designed to explore and sometimes exaggerate or reinterpret these traditional elements.
The a fictional martial art from a book doesn't need to adhere specifically to history, even though I find no issue with Hagio Ryu Kobujutsu's representation of Kobujutsu. Hagio Ryu Kobujutsu is an imaginative creation that draws on elements of Okinawan martial traditions without being a direct replica. Arguing that my research is “all wrong” because it doesn't conform strictly to your definition of karate or kobudo misses the point: fictional works are allowed-and often intended-to diverge from the exact historical record to build a richer, more nuanced narrative, and that would be the case even if Kobujutsu was as actually different from what I explained, which it is not.
Even if what you were saying about Kobujutsu was true, which it is not exclusively, your critique relies on an assumption that historical martial arts classifications are the only legitimate measures of validity. I'm talking about a fictional martial arts style that deliberately blends, adapts, and reinterprets traditional concepts. My research on Hagio Ryu Kobujutsu isn't wrong. Yes, Karate and Kobujutsu share some historical roots, but they are distinct martial arts with different focuses, techniques, and philosophies. Karate is an unarmed martial art that focuses on striking using punches, kicks, knee strikes, and elbow strikes as well as blocks and parries to defend against an opponent. It focuses on hand-to-hand combat techniques. Kobujutsu is centered on the use of traditional weapons where practitioners learn techniques for handling various arms such as the bo (staff), sai, nunchaku, tonfa, etc. Kobujutsu is about weapon-based combat.
Also historically, Karate originates from the Ryukyu Islands (present-day Okinawa) and evolved as a method of self-defense that emphasized empty-hand combat. It was influenced by both indigenous fighting methods and Chinese martial arts and evolved into a modern sport has further shaped its techniques and competitive rules, whereas Kobujutsu, which can be loosely translated as “the art of ancient arms,” comes from the older martial traditions of Okinawa and mainland Japan. It's the weapon techniques that were used historically in battlefield scenarios and personal combat.
Yes, Karate and Kobujutsu share common historical threads in the martial traditions of Okinawa, but their differing focuses, empty-handed fighting versus weapon-based combat, different ways of training, and even their philosophies and modern adaptations set them apart as two entirely separate martial arts.