I started an Internal War at Stellantis and they REFUSE to Tell Me the Truth!
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- After months of waiting for a response from Stellantis regarding why my original Demon 170 engine failed, I finally received a response. It seems that they are not going to give me the real reason after assuring me that they would. This leaves me to have to speculate as to what happened and wonder if my new engine will suffer the same fate. Is Stellantis hiding something? Let me know your thoughts.
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They and GM got a 1.6 billion.
@@Dennis-ff2pfyup. Elections ahead consequences.
When is the drawing. It’s not listed on their website other then 2025🤷🏻♂️
I dream of people not putting stupid giveaways that no one ever wins on their videos to generate views.
Sadly after spending six figures on a Dodge myself I learned that they don't really seem to care and treat me like I bought a 20oz Soda from them.
Dr pepper?
@@mistersecret88Dr Thunder
it's a design flaw in the oiling dyno is different than racing down a track at 1or 2 g's
@@JimBlanchfield-le9er I’m not sure if I was the intended person you meant to reply to?
@@MasterChief806Is that Kroger's version?
I work 31 yrs in an auto assembly plant as a blue collar worker..when the age of social media became a thing..we were instructed to not post any pics or videos while in the plant or we would be terminated...loose lips sink ships
I hear y'all support kamalahhhhh. Here I am supporting American made then I see unions voting socialist. What a let down.
@@nyplantings2420 And you support a fascist who loves putin. Tell me, who is worse??
I’ve worked in mechanics and manufacturing for the past 30 years. Never buy anything made on a Monday or a Friday…
After your warranty expires(and all other Demon 170's) they will let you know. 😉😉
People run to these cars/trucks like flies on shit. Nice to see them make content and go through it.
Stellantis really is a sinking ship
Nah, they actually aren’t
Dodge is, not Stellantis. But here they are getting millions in a government buyout to up employment numbers before an election anyway.
They are getting a government bailout
😄 🤣 😂
@@MrMiky985Ya, they are. 4 vehicles on the poorest selling vehicles in North America list should be all the proof you need.
It’s possibly a recall. I work for an automotive manufacturer, and when legal gets involved, it’s a recall. They are hiding information.
I was going to say they are trying to avoid a recall when it should be a recall
@@chuckz28 Exactly. They want to use the old, "You are the only one," line.
Recalls are only issued for safety items. They may issue a TSB.
We already know their hiding information, duh. As this video and comment has nothing to offer.
@@tropicthndrduuuuhhhhhh.
There is always one.
I was in the car business at the dealership level for 16 years. I have seen how the big companies operate. Based on the levels of "security" they provided for your engine at the dealership, my gut guess is that Stellantis either knew, or at least thought they knew what was wrong with the engine before they removed it from the car. I also found it interesting that the engineers are the ones who do not want to be forthcoming. This sounds like an internal CYA situation.
They might be scared of announcing a recall
That'd be a hit
Recalls are only issued for safety items.
Just like with Takata airbags, they're hoping these cars are off the road before they have to recall every single one of them, or past warranty at the minimum
Recalls are generally only done for safety. Its rare that they do it for an engineering thing. However, because of the nature of the car, the moment word gets out they have a procedure to check for abnormal wear - every owner will come in for it.
Recalls are for safety. At best u get internal TSB until a class action lawsuit goes to court and don't know if they made enough demons for lawyers to gather them all up and make suing worth it
😂RacerX is surprised to find Stellantis doesn't want to share their Dirty Laundry so he can expose them 😂😂😂
@@TS1964 *pikachu face meme*
I reckon there's less legal liability in saying nothing than in saying ANYthing.
I don’t see any reason for complaint, although it is frustrating to not know.
The real reason the engine ate itself is because Demonology put hotsauce in your engine oil and Stellantis is trying to cover it up 😂😂
lol. The big boss with the hot sauce
HELL NAW😂
HermAn😂🌶
Demonology is the man.
@@RacerX9racerx new video about the new ZR1?
They got the engine at Stelantis.
All the engineers had been fired already.
The manager said, “I dunno? Tell the customer that it’s Top Secret. If another customer blows up an engine, just ship them a new one.” 🤷🏻 (Well my thoughts) ??
They eat themselves because the oil pickup is up front, and when you get on it, the oil shifts to the rear, and the engine starves for oil.
As most have guessed the problem is almost certainly in the oiling system and a aeration issue from the pick up sucking gobs of air under hard acceleration G’s My bet is you will soon see a revised oil pan design with improved baffling or a trap door design to prevent this. Yes a major oversight by the engineers not factoring this in prior IMO and the reason for the secrecy as they have mud on their face from this mistake. It’s not like this has not been a known problem in drag applications on wet sump systems for decades
Yup, this is my bet too. They didn't expect anyone would actually take it to a track on a prep'd surface.
They should have used a dry sump system. I bet it's an oiling problem.
If that were the case all the modified Hellcats pulling north of 1025 HP would need dry sump oiling systems, and they don't. Stellantis just did a rush job on this junk cause they knew they were closing up shop and don't care about their American customers, especially those who buy V8 engines.
@@ArshAZ83it’s a difference between a bought and built engine
Crank thrust
They are trying to avoid class action lawsuit against the company, its a design flaw simple as that.
The way Stellanti, have been running Chrysler, It doesn't surprise me, That they don't want to come out in the open and give you a straight answer.
I have to be honest. I’m not very happy with Stellantis… I want the old FCA back that gave a shit about the customers… 🤘
FCA gave a shit?! Lmao
That never happened😂😂
Screw that, I want the pre-Daimler Chrysler Corporation back
I'm a Chrysler Technician and I seen the problem right away. It's because the pickup on the oil pump is in front instead of the rear of the pan. At a hard launch it's starving for oil. That's what I noticed. I'm not sure but if I had to guess I would bet on that. They should of went to dri sump.
Is there no windage tray?
Would an oil accumulator help ? Seems like a cheap add on for a few seconds
@v4lhulme I'm nit 100% sure how it is designed on the demon 170 but yes the oil pan gasket has a built in windage tray.
My thoughts were either that or a gear on the oil pump went bad
Plenty of OG Demons & Hellcats in the high 8s with zero oiling issues
They don’t want all the owners to get free engines. If you found a legal lunch under their warranty they would lose everything under the program while all models are under warranty. Everyone would ride until their first free engine and then store. Massive losses.
Remember when the 18 Dodge Demon came to fruition? Dodge did proper testing and track time ( 5000 launches without a single issue or glitch). I am sure they didn't do that with the 170. Think they rushed production. Now they have a problem.
Been missing your uploads man! Glad to see another video
I think this is them not wanting to disclose a design flaw. I think the Demon 170 is an amazing car that was probably rushed due to time constraints. I would just enjoy the car and not track it. It seems like no matter if it is a factory engine or a built engine, if flogged hard enough, they can fail. Your did fail way too early though. I have a Raptor R and baby it. I do romp on it every now and then, but I never stress the engine out, because I want it to be my forever vehicle.
I think that’s it, exactly.
It's a little late to go back on a six figure purchase with the intent to use it on the Strip, only to have it cop out for an unknown reason. I feel for him, that's a messed up place to be...
What's the point of having an extremely fast car if you have to drive pussified or it explodes? Makes no sense. Might as well buy a Camry.
@@BabyJesus66 how about enjoy the horsepower when appropriate and the sound and driving experience. It’s not about abusing your six figure vehicle just because it has gobs of power.
It sure seems like there is no other answer other than some kind of design flaw, if that is the case, Dodge will have to own it eventually
The truth is people are supposed to pay way too much for their garage queen and never race it
There is absolutely no way that Dodge, or anynother manufacturer, would disclose the cause of an engine. They don't want the negative publicity nor do they want to be sued.
Why wouldn't they disclose the cause of an engine failure? Not being honest will cause more negative publicity than being transparent would. Why would it get them sued? Do yall literally just make up stuff in the comnents? Smh
@@midnight347Because if others have similar failures it devalues the cars. Who would buy a collector car (especially off warranty) for inflated prices if there is known engine issues?
Especially when the primary selling point of this car is the engine.
except manufacturers admit what the issue is all the time
@@davidporter7051 This isn’t a conventional production car, it is a small batch niche collectors item
I'm trying to figure out why the dealer charged 18k for labor because I remember when they said you can buy that engine for around 27k😮.....I worked at a dealership for years and it sounds like a recall might be coming
9 days later Zr1 says hold my beer while doing 215 MPH + in a coupe and a convertible option while blasting the AC without having to remove seats and doing all this on Pump Gas without Electric assist and NOT using E 85... 1064 HP the Times they are a Changin... God Bless America...
And then 300 miles later the transmission failed😂…
Possibly a design flaw. They are probably doing a recall test to see how to fix it. Once it's fix is figured out then they will issue a recall and let you know what happened and how to keep it from happening again. But that could take some time.
It just feels like 2023 was when QA went into "f**k it" mode as the plant started its shutdown.
My guess, design flaw, but they haven't done the cost / benefit analysis if it's worth initiating a recall notice over.
I'm thinking the engine could have been slapped together as a rush job, and the QC being lax. I recall seeing some photos of a Demon 170 engine missing a cam bearing, for example. Demonology doesn't seem to be having engine problems, so I would not count out QC issues as the main culprit.
I wouldn't expect any answers from a corporation...
a man of experience
Yeah, not these days 🙄
Never trust the Corpo's.
I feel like they discovered a design flaw in the engine
I think it is a design error. they will come back to you with any other excuse but will not say the actual defect.
Stellantis will probably issue a recall to fix the issue.
2 separate dealers had promised me MSRP in Ontario. Canada only got 300 cars. Both went the 75-100k over when they got an allocation. I pity the fools that got these cars today. Dodge will never be on my list again for a new vehicle.
There won't be a Dodge anyway. Stellantis doesn't care.
Midland Chrysler had one but on close inspection swirls and scratches all over it for 90k over sticker.
Dodge has been trash for decades. Why anyone would buy a Dodge product is beyond me.
@@BabyJesus66 you need to get out more.
@@BabyJesus66what would you get then
They're going to see this, guaranteed. The question is how will they react/respond to it. Keep at it! 😊
Agree. With the following x has, would be stupid to leave open for speculation. I bet he gets his answers within a week from this vid posting. If not sooner. Get em x
I'll help you out with the answer. "Internal engine failure." Its the answer and not a lie
It was a rush product to meet a timeline... the last call was money for EV and that went to dump. Quality control layoffs... read between the lines a few demon 170 owners received lemons... 2023, many last call vehicles have bad quality issues... look at their quality, says it all.
Great Video as always! You couldn't be more accurate than this: @0:15, when you say "my first engine quit working", you can hear the thunder in the background 😂
I can tell you what happened. When you run E85 in your engine, it raises the pressure significantly. That raised pressure coupled with the sump inadequacy at launch caused your failure. Remember when they were blowing up the engines during the development? They thought they corrected the issues, they didnt.. If you continue to race with the E85, you will continue to blow up the engine..
Hmmm…. So how do all those guys who are making huge HP on E-85 w regular hellcats not grenade?
Maybe the tune is wrong but racer x himself had a higher horsepower car on E-85 before the demon 170.
Ur argument that the fuel causes this doesn’t hold water.
E-85 does not "raise pressure" in the engine. That's just silly
@@williamstamper442agree. Maybe raise the cylinder pressure if you increase the boost. Which you can on E85 because it’s so bad ass at being knock resistant.
They know what's wrong with the engine. They're afraid they will have to recall all of them due to the defect.
Sad that these companies are the way they are, Glad to see you back on the road look forward to seeing Ripping Video,
They don’t want to get sued is what it sounds like
3300 cars 48k per engine, $158,400.00 in new engines for all 3300 vehicles way to expensive to admit what happened its cheaper to say nothing
your math is way off my dude. 158,000 would = the cost (roughly) of replacing the engines in 3 demon 170 not 3300. 48k x 3300 = 158,400,000! more than enough incentive for stellantis to STFU about their poor oil pickup design for the c170
That's $158 million 400 thousand; you've written $158 thousand...
If they tell u what failed then they would get heat back from that manufacturer. Opens can of worms. I understand their position.
This is total fn nonsense. They told him up front they were going to be transparent and let him know what failed so he could be transparent.
You're making excuses for them. Why would they get flack from a company because their part caused the failure or a design flaw caused their part to cause the failure. You're making excuses for them.
Sounds like they don't want to say anything about their engine out loud. They don't want to get legal involved. Replacing 3,300 engines could get quite expensive.
Toyota is about to feel that sting with their turbo V6 truck engines 😮
Smells fishy... they dont want to admit because it could open it to them to lawsuits in the future... my thought and i just started the video.
I respect you Racer x for using the demon 170 the way it was intended... I hope this engine treats you well after the break in procedure is completed, Best of luck.
I think they found a significant flaw in the engine and don't want it exposed publicly just yet, for fear of more warranty claims and perhaps law suits.
Damn dodge they replaced demon engine in just few weeks. My redeye is at dealership for the last 3 months for engine replacement. Still no ETA...
When a company refuses to reveal information about a product failing it’s because they are hiding something. It happens all the time when products fail and especially when the failure causes injury.
I would have told them to rebuild it and put it back in the car this way you would still have a numbers matching engine. That make the value of the car in the future much more significant
I think it boils down to the fact that they have little to gain by putting that information out there. As soon as they tell you what went wrong, others will assume (correctly or incorrectly) that their Demon 170 has (or will have) the same issue. Their silence suggests (to me) two things: 1) They're still truly investigating these engine failures and it's a corporate process. 2) Your engine issue wasn't a fluke assembly mistake or random quality control issue, but something bigger and they're not sure how they want or need to respond to customers.
To be honest with you RacerX as an engine builder for many years I can tell you two things. One is that when we build engines and test them on the test bench for leaks and run them through cycles those engines are pretty well broken in and good to go on the street. Same thing regarding manufacturing when the assemblers at the plant build those engines before they get shipped out to to the assembly plant for final assembly those motors get tested on a bench for leaks and go threw heat cycles. They are good to go out of the box.
This. I'd bet they dyno every engine on the way out. However, if it holds together, then it'll fail on the customer later if it's defective.
@@N4CR they do more then that before they head out for final assembly and are broken in ready to go. That has nothing to do with internal component design flaws.
Do they dyno? I think they spin them with instrumentation and microphones. The effort and rhythm gives relative compression and if all cylinders are equal. The sonic equipment can detect lots of defects. Sealing and air testing checks for coolant leaks and oil fill allows prelube and oil pressure can be checked at end of line they know it'll run and the expensive labor and risk at factor is avoided for engine change. MUCH more expensive to repair if it has to be done at dealer. The labor and 25% parts markup for warranty claims.....
@@jimmyaber5920 it is the same similar process and yes that’s the same way as they would Dyno an engine spinning the internal components to its limits.
Engines run on the dyno do not experience g forces.
Stellantis will never reveal what caused the failure of that engine! They have too much pride without having the cause get out into the public and then every owner will now nit pick their car to death and cause them a warranty nightmare!
They took care of it and that's all you need to worrry about!
AwesomeX《☆》Maybe they're working on a Fix already & just Buying Time to not start a PANIC till they can do a Proper recall. I like the idea of making it a Dry Sump Engine but where would the Oil Reservoir get mounted??✌🏼😎☯️
I think there is a real possibility for a recall in this scenario. They don't know for sure (yet) that they have a systemic issue, but if defects in the engineering exist, they may be biding their time before they have to come out with the real explanation.
They just need to go ahead on and give me a Hellcat at 90% off for all the pain and suffering of this fiasco lol
They can't give something they don't make... I'm betting when all the EPA regs are reversed the old Cuda conv will be resurrected with this engine. It just doesn't make sense to spend all that money to certify the engine and then make only 3,300 copies. Just my thoughts... I've been known to be wrong before...
I would have to agree with you on this, why would legal be brought in if it wasn’t a design flaw and something they can be sued over. Guess we will have to wait, I have only been following you for a month or two but I really enjoy your content. Because of your posts, I was able to finally score a used 2022 Challenger RT plus, I have wanted one for a while and I was able too! In your video when you said your Demon 170 is a smile machine, I can truly understand what that means, every time I drive mine, and you hear the exhaust and the car just takes off, how can you not but smile. So thank you again for making my decision to get one that much easier! Keep up the great work!
RacerX you provide great content and always promote Dodge, and Mopar in a positive tone with truthful information. This video also provides great content and it is obvious that your agenda is not against Dodge and you only expect what you were promised.
First, I'll say I don't know anything about what caused this issue. However, be careful for what you ask. Hypothetical: Someone told you it wasn't a warranty issue. They approved the replacement. Engineers get a hold of the logs and they disagree with the person who approved the replacement. Maybe there was something that wasn't followed in the break-in process and they found a smoking gun in the motor that directly points to the reason why that step was called for.
So, the legal issue becomes one where they've already made an exception for you to get an engine for free. They just want to be mum about the reason why for 2 reasons: First, it would potentially make you look bad, and they're not out to cause a public supporter grief. Two, if they make an exception for you, there's going to be more people with blown engines and warranty violations who want a free one too. Thus, legally, their warranty's conditions come into question. Lawyers could potentially have a lot of fun with that.
They just want to let this go away quietly. Maybe it's because there's a fundamental design flaw, or maybe it's more to do with something like the above. Either way, the fix is the same. Just shut up. That way they don't have to create bad press by releasing a statement about an engine problem. Not talking about a tricky warranty issue allows them to not have to expose themselves to possible further loss from other owners.
I used to do PR at a large software company. If you keep pestering them, you're going to eventually get an official written reply that's worded like, "We are reaching out to inform you on the final disposition of our investigation into your D170's engine failure. Our engineers have determined that the engine failure was caused by a metallurgical abnormality that began a cascading chain of events that led to poor lubrication of critical components. Thanks and have a nice day."
Pretty much any engine failure produces a metallurgical abnormality. It's a way of saying, "We're still not telling you a damn thing. Mic drop."
I think the reason they're not willing to talk yet is because it's a strong possibility (most likely the most probable cause of the failure but other things have to be ruled out first and that takes time) that the design flaw was the oil sump wasn't able to maintain oil flow through the pump and galleries during heavy acceleration.
This could have been discovered during testing prior to production had the engine actually been tested in a car. It may not have been if they'd used a CAD tool simulation. And as we all know, CAD analysis tools don't always match real results. They can get very close, but sometimes there are things that just can't be modeled accurately.
So I think what happened was that the engine failures caught Dodge flat footed and they may be VERY embarrassed that they didn't catch the problem before the engine was greenlit for production. And THAT means they don't want to publicly admit they skipped a crucial step that could have avoided this entire mess, hence, they don't want to admit to you that they screwed up.
Never attribute to malice what can properly be attributed to stupidity . . . . . .
Hell they were blowing up engines themselves during testing & had to delay the reveal. I think it was 6 months later?
Hmm, in addition, I'm thinking another cause of oil starvation may because of the front sump, g forces, and nose angle during a max power race launch that forces oil to the rear of the engine, thence above the windage tray, where it gets aerated, and if the resulting oil foam doesn't break down and get to the front sump in time the oil pickup tube goes dry and air gets pumped into the oil galleries instead of oil.
Any oil foam that does break down and revert back into liquid oil at the rear of the engine just gets re-foamed while the car is pulling the 2 g's.
So, yeah. Just a bad oil pan design for the intended purpose of the car.
I hope they can solve this issue and not try to hide the issue.
It has to be a design flaw that was overlooked...
Maybe a design flaw in the oiling system. The Shelby GT350 has had some issues steaming from oiling problems. Yes I know flat plane vs standard crank but all bottom ends need oil. It seems the dyno has become the gold standard when testing. Well dyno don’t mean crappola in real driving conditions. When you start turning up the wick, that’s when the true results appear on street/Track. Still a bad ass car.
Great video. I work for a German automotive manufacturer closely with r&d and engineering. My opinion on this is they produced less than 4 k units. Based on the numbers it’s not a priority what so ever. It’s cheaper to replace the engines on a case by case basis than to recall or admit any fault in manufacturing. Right now the engineering dept is staying silent to help protect the integrity of the company.
I grew up on speed racer!! Go speed racer go !!! wasn't racer X his brother? with a black and yellow mask? loved it!!
You got Mopar to honor the warranty first try? Lucky dude.
Stellantis/Mopar won't acknowledge the shift tower design failure in the Wrangler. I am more surprised that they didn't blame you for their problem too.
It's because he's a semi famous youtuber. They don't wanna straight ignore him like they do most ppl lol
The front sump oil pan is one issue. It should be a rear sump design for drag raceing.
Very lucid and honest argument. Keep pushing for answers.
I'm never going to buy one of these Demons, the second owner has no warranty. I'm very happy with my original matching, numbers 426 HEMI 4 speed car that I saw come off the trailer and know the entire history. Maybe will consider a 2018 demon or a superstock? Fighting with Dodge on my 2015 lifetime warranty is horrible. Took several months to fix and they won't tell the cost of the repairs. Wanted to buy another Challenger, but dealers wanted outrageous mark ups, so I bought a Honda Civic... (WITH A STICK!). I never would have thought I would buy a Japanese car, but I did... Shifting gears is more fun than just hanging on to the wheel and pushing the petal. Sadly, BY, BY Dodge.
I agree manual all day. Too many companies are going away from manuals. Ppl always give the bs reasoning of autos are quicker. Not by much if you can actually drive and who fn cares anyways? What is a couple tenths compared to totally killing the driving experience? If I got a dodge it would be a 6 speed manual base hellcat and mod it. By far the best bang for the buck for a modern dodge.
come on over to the corvette family bro, I got a dad hat and comfortable shoes waiting for ya!
Why would they be obligated to tell you results of the engine tear down? They don’t do that for any other customer
I’m just going off of what I was told! You don’t know what else I put into this car going back years when it was being designed .. despite my channel! Thanks though
Well, they are not bound to tell you the details, you should be happy you got a brand new engine. Stellantis is right, no company will ever share the details of any engine failure. How can they trust you, you are not going to make more video exposing the company.
I think it's the front sump oil pan. It's a bad design for a car that pulls that hard off the line as it starves the pickup tube. If it had a rear sump pan problem solved. The gen 2 Hemi actually bad this problem because the front k member on some models required a front sump. There was a conversion rear sump pan but required costly modifications. A front sump oil pan with a 9 second or lower car spells disaster. This is what I believe and I believe many others do too.
This theory can be easily proven, data log the car on a pass a see what the oil pressure does. If it drops at any point, then there's an issue.
It's why the BB chevy was a reliable drag car, rear sump pan.
Front sump pans usually have a baffle to keep the oil from going to the back of the pan on hard acceleration. 440s and 383s also have front sump pans and no issues.
@@theodorgiosan2570 Absolutely true but when you're talking about a low one sec 60 foot baffles aren't going to help. The oil will still be pushed towards the back of the pan.
@theodorgiosan2570 You are correct. The Demon 170 oil pan has a big shield surrounding the pick-up tube. It also has a raised lip at a 45 deg angle, which prevents the oil from running to the back of the pan. There are many Demon 170's pulling 2ft wheelies to the 60' mark, and they aren't blowing engines. If oil starvation was an issue, they would all blow up. Any manufactured part can be defective, build quality also plays a big part in success.
They knew the Motors were JUNK when they made them.
Get a lawyer and sue stellantis or let them give you a refund and take the junk car back
The secrecy makes me think that they're afraid the prices will plummet on remaining 170s and the future value will plummet if it comes out that there's an inherent problem with these cars. Again .... we shouldn't be surprised since the SRT engineering team was dismissed.
This is typical of the quality issues that have often plagued Peugeot and Fiat when they've tried to sell vehicles in the US. And .... it's why I refer to my '15 SRT 392 as "Last Dodge." Because, I can't see myself buying another one.
Well that's messed up!
I'd vote design flaw. A 1000+ hp car sitting at idle at a red light over and over. It was designed to run ¼ mile at a time and not rush hour traffic.
Bottom line, if they are honest with you about what they found, it WILL hurt sales for them.
I'm sure they found some defect on their end, they don't want to mention.
Their numbers folks played with the numbers (make a recall to fix it, or keep it quiet and just fix the ones that break)
Like you mentioned, most of these 170s are sitting in garages. So it may be cheaper for them to count on most people not pushing theirs enough to induce the issue.
Sadly, the real reason I didnt buy a Demon over my ZL1 is....Dodge Quality issues. There is a huge Camaro community and it does happen...but GM has been honest about the problem.
Stellantis soesnt want to tell you because it will cause a recall. They cant afford a recall. Stellantis is in very big financial trouble.
I love the Challengers. But I know how to work on Chevy products and my tools lean towards that.
I wouldn't watch the show if I wasn't a fan. Good luck. 👍
Only other way of finding out is in the endgame, when warranties expire and people do a private tear down. I know not many do rebuilds nowadays but but some of these engine builders would probably like to get their hands on one to see how it ticks and failures
I hope after correct break in, the engine is not going to do what it did last. Excited for the race vids! 🔥
This is oil starvation after 70 years you'd think they'd figure out a way to put in a rear sump pan
That blower whine is heavenly!
Rolex handles it the same way. You send an under warranty Rolex back to RSC and all you get is a bland “work performed and back to standard” notation. Now if it was out of warranty then they must tell you what was replaced/repaired so they can detail the charges to you. 🤷🏻♂️
Legal, PR and bean counters put a stop to them telling you 100%. Even if the stories about the missing bearing and all the other negative things coming out about the Demon 170 are not true they took a massive PR hit. Plus if you get told and than tell the internet there is the chance that people with 170s will flood the dealership demanding their car get fixed before it blows up or before they have to do an engine swap making the car not numbers matching in my opinion
As car nuts we all want to know exactly what happened to it but from a business perspective it makes perfect sense that they wouldn’t tell you details knowing that you will post it on the internet. Bad PR for them and then even the people that have these sitting in their garages as collectors items will want new engines.
In my opinion; worst case they’re trying to avoid a class action lawsuit that for all we know could include more than just the Demon 170 cars making it a bigger problem or at the very least a recall.
My brother's Challenger is sitting at the dealership waiting for a replacement engine. He spent almost $100,000 to buy it and the engine failed with a snapped cam at 84 miles. The bearing caps were not properly torqued and the bolts backed out resulting in the cam failing.
Let’s see did they honor the stated warranty? Answer is yes! They do not owe you anything beyond that! If they choose to share info with you consider that a bonus! They could simply state internal failure and that would be that! I work for a manufacturer in another industry, when we have failures we do root cause testing! Now the issue starts, let’s say the expected failure rate is .03%. If we publish the exact findings. Each person that owns one expects a “recall fix”! Remember the failure rate! Also with 10 year warranty anyway why publish? Only they know but what if it’s a torque issue? Bolt issue oil passage issue crank material issue? One off is possible, would you open a can of worms for that? I wouldn’t!
Poor engineering in that motor. They don’t want to admit their fault.
A little off topic. That's why I absolutely love my Trackhawk. It's a grin machine. I just smile ear to ear driving it because the power makes driving absolutely fun. A throaty V8 Hemi with the supercharger whine is just such a visceral experience that you'll never get in an EV. On topic, being the owner of a Hemicuda that I spun bearings street racing back in the mid 70's due to oil starvation because the sump is in the middle of the pan instead of the back like Chevy it's quite plausible to me the insane launch could surge the oil away from the pickup without proper baffling or perhaps a dry sump system.
Anybody see the video of the union workers claiming that they are being set up to fail. Stellanis is seemingly sabotaging themselves.
Manufactures could careless about the consumer.
They should give or sell you back your original engine. Imagine the value in the future with this well documented history AND the original engine and the replace/warranty engine. 10 years from now this will be one of the most valuable Demon 170's on earth.
Years ago, Hot Rodders , new the problems with their engines, but instead of going to the manufacturer, they would develop and manufacture their own parts.
Manufacturers are not going to openly disclose that there might be an inherent problem with their product.
Im willing to bet corporate was able to see engine telemetry from the Uconnect before the engine failed.
They definitely know what's wrong and they will do the bare minimum for people to keep them happy and quiet and hopefully wait out the warranty before they issue or recall if they ever do?
Recalls are supposed to be fixed regardless of warranty
@@midnight347 they're not going to warranty or recall every engine though.
Here’s my two cents as an owner of a 170. I can’t believe I’m actually allowed to drive this car on public streets. It’s ludicrous how much fun stomping on the throttle every time I drive it is. Street legal 🚀! Now the reason I bought it is due to 30 years of building my own and blowing everything up including a Blueprint 383 recently. All engines are capable of breaking. My 1970 Challenger with a built 440 is fun, but it’s a Volkswagen Beetle in comparison to my Demon, goes in a straight line without trying to kill me, stops fast, and has air bags. If you have driven one then you know and if you haven’t then you are quite literally throwing your opinion around about something you have absolutely no clue about. The fact that some of the motors have had issues is concerning and I changed the plugs immediately after finding out they were an issue. Is my built 440 faster than a factory 426 Hemi? Yes it is, is it worth more than a factory Hemi car, hell no it isn’t. You think you’re Hemi hellcat or jailbreak are fast? They are, but my demon that definitely has more than 1025 hp is blatantly faster. I spin my tires at any speed up to the 151 governor that will someday get dealt with grinning ear to ear. With a full interior and bass in the trunk so I can take three people with me when showing it off. Getting wider tires when I order bead locks because all it’s doing is spinning the tires. Out of the small production number’s for Hemi’s from the 60’s and 70’s how many blew up with no warranty and got rebuilt to blow again? Why do they command a premium that they do? It’s because they are badass dream machine’s from a bygone era and you were either badass enough to get one and enjoy it or you weren’t, but don’t think for half a minute that all of the hater’s having opinions effect my ear to ear grin I have trouble wiping off of my face every time I take her out.