Jethro Tull - We Used to Know - Cardiff 1996
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- Опубліковано 21 бер 2009
- Jethro Tull performing We Used to Know from the Stand Up record in Cardiff in 1996. Ian mentions the similiarity of the chord structure of the Eagles mega hit song Hotel California with the chord structure of We Used to Know.
The Eagles - the best Jethro Tull tribute band out there
That flute solo almost makes me cry. Oh, those sixties with their beautiful dreams...
Do you have any left to sell?
Ian and the boys- a pure genius ensemble. Innovative beyond the Eagles. Ian takes the high road, and simply lets it go. That's the mark of someone that senses where music emanates from.
This chord progrestion was played 10000 times before Jethro Tull did it lol
Dammit … this is soooooo good!!! I swear it makes me wanna cry
What a fantastic song
Ian being a real gentlemen about it.
Ian Anderson - consistently classy.
Martin`s solo here, so powerful, emotional.
My favourite guitar song by Tull. Truly magnificent wah wah
I could listen to this version every day!
I clearly remember enjoying a Jethro Tull concert in Seattle with the Eagles as the supporting band. What a fabulous experience. Tull had just released Benefit and the Eagles had recently released Take it Easy, their first big breakout song. I was floored by Tull live and impressed by the banjo and harmonies of the Eagles. Linda Ronstadt was nowhere to be seen. The Eagles evolved from her backup band The Stone Ponies.
I went to see Led Zeppelin in 1969 and the 2nd act was a band no one had ever heard of called Jethro Tull. They were just tremendous and blew everyone into the weeds. When LZ came out they were a let down (but still good). I always thought I remembered it wrong as LZ was one of my favorites of all time but I met a guy who also saw the tour (but in Texas) and he said Tull blew LZ off the stage there too. Only other time I saw as big of a blow off was Janis Joplin as 2nd act for Jefferson Airplane. The Airplane needn't have bothered to even come out on stage.
ian ANDERSON and Jethro Tull is one of best
Reminds me of a song called Reflections from the Charlie Daniels Band album called Million Mile Reflections, 1979.
Stupenda canzone cantata e suonata dai bravissimi fantastici Jethro tull guidati dal grandissimo Ian Anderson leader di questa stupenda band grandissimo chitarrista e flautista carisma presenza sul palco formidabile affiancato dai suoi fantastici musicisti visti live a Roma molti anni fa grazie tantissimo per le bellissime emozioni che ci avete donato thank you so much dear Ian you are wonderful
Bravo, superb!
saw ian with the present rock opera line up & martin with his band a month later ......a wonderTULL year for tull related shows!!!!! jethro tull is forever!!!!!
There's nothing new around the sun
Everything you think of has been done;
All been done before your time;
Sometime or another
By someone and his brother, yeah...
From the poison comes the flower
Butterfly for just an hour;
But it burns ecstatic fire,
The kind of life we all desire..
Desire...fire....
KEVIN AYERS
What a great song. Never got close to the Eagles. The closest I got was that Timothy Schmidt's father taught me how to play guitar.
thanks for putting this up - I was there and it brings back good memories. I'm still loving JT in their slowing down years and saw the TAAB2 concert in Cardiff. Sadly there was no Martin Barre and I'm thinking that there may not be another JT tour (as opposed to IA and MB doing their own thing, which isn't quite the same). But they were a fantastic band.
Thanks!
no doubting that the Eagles took this song and 'transformed' it into Hotel California... it's impossible to dispute it surely... !!!
The only hitch is that Don Felder, who was credited with the music for Hotel California, had not yet joined the Eagles when they opened for Tull. Of course, that doesn't mean he hadn't heard the Stand Up album.
It's the same song, shame on Eagles
holy shiite. . . believe it or not, first time i am EVER hearing this song. . .SHAME ON YOU, EAGLES! Buy 'Tull a very nice Dinner!!!
Wow! i didn't know this!
Yes they did!.
Welcome to the Hotel Jethro Tull. Rockers are opportunistic feeders, they eat what they can find!
Wow...never heard this before!
Have to admit there's a LOT of similarities!
Sometimes people don't realize they do things subliminally, maybe FELDER heard this years before he came up with the Hotel California melody???
Uh,...that's the idea...
Definitely.
Welcome to the Hotel We Used To Know...
Yes Ian we used to know this song seven years before the Eagles wrote it...
"We haven't had that spirit here since 1969"
That's the line that tipped their hand
these guys always reminds me of magic and elves and shit.. :)
you're comment has aged well
So, Thank You, Guys!! ;)
The Zappa Man........RIP
7 dislikes? Probably are fans of eagles 😂😂😂😂😂
There's one point that's being missed here! Don Felder first started working on this piece at his home in Malibu on a particular Sunday and recorded it to a drum machine. He wanted a reggae beat but the drum machine only had a cha cha beat. He recorded all the guitar parts and had a vision of him and Joe Walsh in a guitar duel in the instrumental section of the song. He recorded about 12 tracks to the tape and took it to practice the next day. The tape was played and Glenn Frey & Don Henley only took notice originally of this particular track with the Spanish feel. They bounced ideas off of each other and it was Glenn Frey who came up with a vision of someone driving through the desert during the night. Don Henley took it from there and wrote the lyrics that night. Don Felder recorded the song in Em. The key was too high for Don Henley so it was changed to Bm.
Don Felder was not even in the Eagles when they supported Jethro Tull in the late '71 or '72. It is true that while Don Felder was living in Boston at that time he did go to one Eagles concert to catch up with Bernie Leadon and was introduced to the band backstage. At this concert they were the opening support act for "Yes". And Don Felder talks about seeing Yes in his book. No mention of Jethro Tull.
I believe it's just coincidence. I don't think Don Felder had heard "We Used To Know". Glenn Frey & Don Henley would have heard it but they did not compose the music, Don Felder did! As Ian Anderson said, Anyone can grab a guitar and start strumming away and eventually come up with the same chord sequence.
+trubluhotwheels - Right on the money!! You should contact Ian Anderson !!!!! He's made enough money in his life and really shouldn't be concerned with this.
awesome
The Eagles were the opening band for Tull. Tull played this song back then. No point was missed except yours.
cos Don Felder said he did ...? ..haha
Of course they would have heard 'We Used To Know'. Or are you saying The Eagles weren't clued up on what other people were doing? Or maybe Too godd to bother? If so, you are kidding yourself! Only you would act surprised that Felder never mentions Tull in his book. Why do you think that might be??
Oh and the only good thing about the Eagles was that Tim Schmit's (the bass player) dad, taught me how to play guitar. And a half a dozen years later, my classmate and English teacher formed the band, Steelwind. Then Craig went to the Starship. Reggie's uncle came and saw us. He was the man, The man from UNCLE. In 8th grade we played at a high school. Reggie went to the Grassroots. I went to Atomic Seaweed.
No doubt this song was an inspiration for Hotel California and i'm being polite. Actually , i like the Eagles but Hotel was not a favorite of mine. Tull was a band i saw 4 times in the 70s and was never disappointed.
I had noticed similarities in the chords during the verses. Here, however, the Tull guitarist (pardon me, if it's the great Barre, I just don't know him by sight) seems to turn his closing solo towards that of Hotel California! lol
It is Martin,listen to the record version and than say what you think
what a great performance, just love this song
I think that Hotel California was based off of this song.
No shit...
Very similar.
In defence of The Eagles when they supported Tull and this song was being played Don Felder was not part of the Eagles. So he wasn't there to hear it. It is a well known fact that Felder wrote ALL the music to Hotel California around 1976 (even the bass parts). Henley and Fry added the lyrics to Felder's music. I don't see this being plagiarism at all - more harmonic progression. By the way - I am a massive Tull fan and not that keen on the Eagles but this comparison has always annoyed me because people don't fully know the back story
....the Steve Miller Band's 'Space Cowboy' has the same baseline as 'Lady Madonna' and Jackson Browne's' These Days' takes from the Allman Brothers' 'Please Call Home'. They are all worthy songs. Its interesting how you can get different feels from the same chord sequences.
Jackson Browne wrote These Days. Greg Allman recorded it before Browne!!
Afraid not Ian. If the Eagles did lift it it was from hearing 'Stand Up' because it didn't feature in your 1972 set, or for many years after.
@astroman30 Are you kidding? The opening is pure Hotel California.
I hope the Eagles will agree !
Did he put his guitar in the hot wash?
Fuuunyyy...:)
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't think Don Felder, who wrote the music for Hotel California, was touring with the Eagles in '71 '72. Anyway Tull were killer in the '70s only The Who could come near them live.
Guess you never heard of Frank Zappa "His Band" King Crimson and many other bands that could match tull and do even better- I mean Tull is my 2nd all time band But- Lets not lie and say Frank Zappa's band could not do what tull did Zappa was a killer live !!!
So tulls only claim to fame is that hotel california, a rock classic known the world over, sounds vaguely like one of their songs that no one, other than tull fans have ever heard.
Your ignorance is appalling
gracias por el video, es una cancion muy nostalgica, lo que si me gustaria saber que es lo que dice aql principio de la canción,
que The Eagles hizo un cancion super parecido.....Hotel California
@@espadillaoceanclub8814gracias
Ian Anderson was a very good person after all
I also think at some point everyone steals or borrows from others and it's inevitable that the 12 notes that are the chromatic scale are going to get used again and again in some way in arrangements
Don Felder was not in the band when they toured with Jethro Tull
If Tull wasn't so fabulously successful they would have undoubtedly fought it. Its a damn shame to find this out at this point but anyone with any kind of ear or music background has to look at the eagles a bit differently now. Furthermore the eagles never really did anything else similar to hotel california in this formation of chords. Even the break is the same! The eagle has crashed along with California!
@karatoula
Who?
:D
Pasaiaqcua instead of Duur Huur do you really mean Huur Hun Tu, the great band from Tuva? Jethro Tull (Ian Anderson) is truly one the the great groups. Since 1971 I've liked two composers, from A to Z, guess who the Z is! :)
@bc1358 No I'm not kidding mate. It's a bit of a stretch to sound like Hotel California. Chord sequence may be the same, but take a listen to "25 or 6 to 4," "While MY Guitar Gently Weeps," and even "Geek Stink Breath." All three have the same descending chords but hardly alike in timing. "Hotel Cali" has more of a spanish style to its playing.
Funny because I always thought Tull's Black Satin Dancer sounded like While My Guitar Gently Weeps and 25 or 6 to 4.
Eagles copy in toto this song for hotel california.
Give to Ceser what is for cesar.
I hope the Eagles recognize.......and Pay!
I understand Hotel California is about the music recording industry... As is Tull's Bungle in the Jungle from several years prior. Hmm Mr Frey, Walsh and Henley at least had been listening
TheWillowview The only people who know what Hotel California is about are Don Henley and Glenn Frey (and I suspect the other five Eagles), they deliberately write songs to be open to the listener's interpretation. Nonetheless, it is generally considered to be about the whole California scene and way of life back in the 60s and early 70s that they were enticed into, not so much about the music industry in general. As Henley says, it's about a journey from innocence to experience!
So so so BRITISH 🇬🇧
I hate to admit it, but unknownkingdom has a point. I think Ian has tried to force his voice too much in recent years. If one listens to "A Jethro Tull Christmas Album", Ian doesn't sound bad at all. Then again, that is a studio recording and this is live.
The rolling stones wouldn't have let it go
Mark Felts: What is that supposed to mean?
Hahaha...!
@@andythomas706 Brush away the cobwebs, dude...he mean's (half-jokingly?) the Stones would have sued...
The chords are the exact same progression except for the 7th which in the Tull song is a G flat instead of the a minor in Hotel california....no-one with the slightest musical ear can fail to realize that the Eagles plagiarized this from Tull or in the most favourable scenario to them Don Felder unconsciously was influenced. Since 1967 though the Eagles should have had the honestly to recognize the fact that HC is highly derivative and payed royalties...it really is a big disappointment!!!
I personally believe the Eagles only credited Don Felder with composing the song to try to prevent a royalties argument. Sadly, age and wisdom has taught me that there is no such thing as honesty when big corporations (record companies), humans and very large sums of money are involved, even family members. At a very young age, starting a career in law enforcement, a wise old colleague told me 'Never trust a living soul... and walk cautiously around the dead ones'. 40 yrs later, l realise how true that advice was.
Ok, it sounds similar. But The Eagles version was a smash hit. Maybe Jethro tull can ask Mr Fry and Mr Henly, The Eagles, to contribute a part of the Revenue of their hit song Hotel California to JT in the future. Glen Fry and Don Henley are well known as very "giving" persons. And I wonder if the Little guitar is the one invented by Alfredo Gil of Mexican famous Bolero Group Los Panchos?
just go back and listen to "Stand Up". They really hammed it up there as well I suppose! How many years before...? Not that Eagles are not a great band, nor that these songs sound alike in parts, or are both great tracks. I would not argue in Eagles favour on this one tough - they definitely did not influence "We Used to Know" with "Hotel California".
"borrowing" is what all artists do. Not a big deal, it is not thieving.
It's an art form! Look at Bowie!
Eagles owe Ian Anderson some money with interest and an apology for ripping off his song. Wonder if Linda Ronstadt knew about it.
Hotel California is a simple COPY !!! (but a nice one)
I think Tull are an awesome band but I have to say that Ian Anderson sounded a little flat reaching for the higher notes (you can literally see him stretch his neck up as his voice rises in pitch). Perhaps he really needed his old one-legged stance to achieve those notes? :)
Don´t you know? He lost his voice and can barely sing live anymore. They have a new singer and Ian just sing very low some parts of their music
No, wasn't aware. Always sad when a singer loses the ability. An ancient or busted instrument can be replaced, but when your instrument is your voice...
He's had terrible problems with his voice for years, this is just about the last time he could sing at all.
By the time of this vid, his voice was shot for over a decade.
Anderson's voice has been shot away for years!
eagles thieved this chord sequence from tull
Still wonder how they are not part of the R and Roll hall of fame,,,,Shame actually.
2:57 Ian doing black face lol, i know its because of the lighting 🤣
Ah yes Zappa and Anderson, since 1971.
Dinner would be cheaper than a law suite.
Ian’s voice sounds way different
Jethro Tull should be thankful that The Eagles helped bring some recognition to their song
Beautiful song. Interesting about Hotel California.
Hmm, the keys aren't the same, but quite a lot of this song's feel seemed to come out in "Nothing Else Matters" by Metallica. o.o
voice so bad and it's only 1996
I prefer JT to the Eagles and We Used To Know is a better song than Hotel California, IMO; but I'm still a bit dubious to the "lore" of the Eagles "borrowing" from Tull given Don Felder wrote the music and wasn't even in the band yet. Great story, though.
funny? I heard "Nights in White Satin" ha ha just kidding.
Ians taking the piss , This song was 1969 and Hotel california was 1976.
Come on Ian enough of this crap , both songs are great
Gary Tarr WTF
On a Dark Desert Highway, Cool wind in my............. Wait a minute. WTF.
They pretty much copied the guitar solo as well.
Oh, what happened to Ian's voice? Too many cigarettes? Sad that he's lost his timbre.
Sadly, he lost it in 1984.
Its called age.
too much is being made of the eagles ripping off this song but there are a million songs with similarities out there and they are all sufficiently different. but to answer your last Q, i can whistle this song, i remember the words and also play both songs on the guitar
Sricharan C this is more than similar its exact!
@@darrelltiencken2194 not even close.
Poor Ian really struggling with the vocals there, maybe Don Henley could give him some singing lessons ?
p b: For sarcasm, that's pretty low budget. Anderson's voice went years ago! Soon after everyone lost interest in The Eagles! Even The Eagles!
Cause they obviously can't -both- be good.
Ian Anderson took the high road. Most of the law suites over music plagiarism are just plain foolish. A court that knows nothing or little about music theory is passing judgement on just that. As Ian said, he takes it as a tribute not a theft. Sampling is a bit different, but that too has gotten beaten up too badly for the god of music in the courts. Most of these suits are the ideas of the lawyers, or greedy musicians that are no longer successful. A true shame and a black eye for music in general. If you "cover" a song, it's one thing, if some of the chord sequences are the same it is a different thing entirely.
Agree Brian. If "copied," I would judge this to be coincidence. I do hope this stimulates sales of the lost Tull classic Album, as a whole.
George Harrison getting away with stealing He's So Fine proves your point - that was daylight robbery.
sorry terrible sorry scott first was we used to know
SOD THE BLOODY COPY CAT EAGLES !!!
lol in 96 he cant sing no more...
Shame on Eagles 🙏
Sounds NOTHING like hotel california.
I'll never listen any music. Only Bach and Mozart
Ian’s voice was weakening even at this point.
He sounds great to this day.
Eek, Ian's voice sounds crappy compared to his younger days. Plus he sings almost the whole song flat.
Sorry, but the singing is awful.
Stop crying,, TULL is way better
than the eagles
Are you still whining about Ian? Sue them or move on.
Eagles you should ashamed , Eagles The Copy Cat Band !!!
Jethro eagles !!
Ian's voice really hardly survived the 70s... 😞
Try his new stuff.