You have a very well trained drummer in Dougie. When Dan’s adjusting his tone, Dougie doesn’t yawn, check his watch, play paradiddles, drink booze or smash cymbals. What a gentleman!
There were a couple moments where I thought Dougie was about to break out some drum rhythms as Dan was talking, but he remembered where he was and held back. Fair play Dougie and nice drumming 😎
Just putting my vote in to do more of this. Would love to see a 4 piece with another guitar to show how to blend with them how to properly use a solo boost.
When distortion is on ten, there just isn’t anywhere to go. What you need to do is talk to Jim Marshall and get one to go to eleven, then you have one more.
Last comment, I promise. When Dan busted out the gold top, that jam on the riff you guys have been playing was AWESOME! That gold top sounds great. As a LP owner and huge fan of the sound, I love when you guys bust out the Les Pauls.
Guys, this is the best video . I think this demoing in a band situation certainly gives a better understanding of pedals in the band situation. Can you do this again with other pedals please.
Guys… That was probably the most useful video I’ve seen on UA-cam ever!! I’ve been playing for almost 40 years and this is helped me tremendously. Thank you guys so much for everything that you do. Nashville loves you guys!
Daniel and Michael (Mick), this episode has been a tough pill for me to swallow. Been playing for 25 years, all of which have been too much gain and too much treble. I've learned over the last couple weeks of gigging that all that gain has had an adverse effect how the guitar sound. I'm from the Van Halen school, so I always wanted more gain for trills, legato and tapping. I've now realized that what I need to do as far as that department goes is develop better technique. Thanks for what you guys do. Means very much to me as a musician and even life in general. I've found in life that too much of even a good thing can be a bad thing 🙂 Eric Phoenix, AZ
Dude, that is why the started putting 2 channels on amps. So you can have a tight yet aggressive riff channel and a totally saturated lead channel. You still have to play well on a super saturated sound, as all your mistakes come blaring out because the sound is so compressed. Eddie was looking for as much gain as he could get, but he was a master of the guitars volume knob
This reminds me of getting an “AC/DC Tone”. You’ll see folks pack on the gain to emulate, but Angus’ tone is pretty clean, it’s just got a TON of volume. It’s tempting as well because there is safety in gain; the cleaner the tone the more “honest” the sound.
100%! An AC30 pretty loud but low gain gets a wicked Angus tone, and it blows everyones minds who are cranking Marshalls to the proverbial 11 (though of course he does use Marshals, but malcolm used a blended AC30 too)!
What I've found with playing in bands over the years is the bigness and the heavyness doesn't come from loads of distortion but it comes from being a tight band and everyone playing together. Great show as always. Cheers
The Massiveness of Rage Against the Machine is a good example of this. Guitar and bass playing together and super tight but not a huge chunk of distortion.
This was one of the most practical video lessons you guys have ever put out there. Way to go going outside your comfort zone just a little bit to show us how it's done. I spent some time dialing in my pedals this afternoon and it really made a difference in my tone.
Less is more (except when more is more)! Getting to hear this in a band context was such a great idea, and I really hope you do a bunch more of this. It's so easy to disappear up our own hoohoos as guitarists , the effects in isolation are super pretty but the second we play with others it all goes Pete Tong, sound wise!! Brilliant stuff, chaps.
Love this! Some time ago, I had mentioned how cool it would be to have a "That Band Show" which would essentially be That Pedal Show in a band context, ie, how to make the band sound better as a whole, how various pedals and settings work best. And boom - here we are! I am sure these are tricky to put together, but my goodness, it works great! You've got my vote for more of this kind of approach. Thanks Dougie! Thanks guys!
Really really excited to see where this goes. SO helpful, not to mention life-affirming, but also... knowledge-in-motion is simply awesome. Dan: legendary playing! Dougie: MORE! And Mick, dewd... the wine- and/or espresso-drenched licks of bass legend Pinot Cappuccino could be a regular thing. Just saying. 🍷☕💪
I just had skin cancer removed and then I had it to get eye surgery so I've been home a lot going back to watch your guys videos I have learned so much you guys are brilliant and you really keeping me company during my convalescence so thank you again I love learning about music
This episode is pure gold, thanks a lot. Being that said, you really really REALLY have to create subtitles for this episode. Lots of guitar players, new and old, all around the world, will benefit from this, but not everyone can listen to english conversation. I can, but I am from Mexico and really want to share with other people but not everyone can listen to this. Auto-generated subtitles don't work great.
I played hard rock for so long with ALL the gain before realising that it sounded way better with less gain only a few years ago. Don’t get me wrong, some heavy music really needs a load of the stuff, but it’s nice to counterpoint that with less gain in the next song. Great stuff guys. ✋🏻👍🏻
Thank you so much guys! I just borrowed my old RAT pedal back from my friend, used your pointers to the letter and just dialled in some of the tastiest dang drive sounds out of my AC30 I’ve ever heard. Simple tips on how to dial in your settings…genius! Keep the great tips coming 👍🏻
Incredible how you get some of the same sounds with the game pedal on as you were with the clean settings just by showing Dynamics in your hands simply amazing such a great point to make I'm playing over 35 years and this is like a revelation to me! Thank you so much you guys are brilliant!
I haven't seen this subject covered nearly enough in the guitar pedal community on UA-cam, and it's super important to know. Thanks for this well-needed lesson.
Love having the drums and bass in this, really helpful to see what a difference it makes in the mix. Also shows how awesome Dan’s playing is in more of a song-like context!
Great show, guys! I had this revelation when I heard Velvet Revolver for the first time! The difference in the amount of gain Slash used with them as opposed to GNR was crazy and the guitar sounded so good!
Tones, tasty playing from all players and Master Class on how to achieve definition and dinamic playing tones. Dan you ace the video with melodic playing and demonstrating how to play with expression. The LP sounded glorious and so did the Tele. Epic unforgettable episode. Keep rocking. Please make a few more episodes for fuzz settings, delays, the sky is the limit.😊👍
Holy Mary mother of God… Dan, you are a saint! I cant remember Having my mind blown quite such as it has been with this video-except for the first time I watched bloody “TAXI DRIVER” The point is…, As an aspiring filmmaker I was forever changed after viewing that iconic piece. I suspect that my trajectory on the path to a decent tone has been altered for the better. Thank you Dan and Mick. Long live that pedal show. 🎊🍾🥳
Only a few minutes in however, I am so happy for you guys getting the band set up for the video that I just had to comment. Loving it! This is an evolution of TPS. Having the option to show in-band examples 'Chef's Kiss' . Leg ENDS!!
You just answered my actual and biggest question and cured the pain of NOT beeing able to dial in the right distorted tone .... This was so helpful...again. You are doing a great job...
Really helpfull. I’ve been struggling with my higher gain sounds while playing with the band. Love my cleans and low gain tones with my tele in contrast to the other guitarists Les Paul but as soon as we hit a heavier section and I engage my next gain stage I disappear. This is gunna be a real game changer I think. Sounds obvious now you’ve said it too 😂
Try turning the gain down a touch and instead of running a drive into drive for more saturation, try boosting after your main drive for more volume instead of saturation. So if you have and amp that you use for your main drive sound with an effects loop put your boost in the loop for a louder sound of your main drive. If you have a clean amp platform, run the boost after your main drive to to get your volume boost. If you are certain you need to gain stack drives/distortion you will definitely have to turn the gain down on both to get you max drive with both on.
In band practise you could see what kind of eq and/or volume lift your other guitarist is getting compared to you, just take turns in isolation clicking things on and off, you and them might have to compromise certain sounds. Helps if you record it so you can see whats happening
Absolutely fantastic tip about the tone control on pedals! I've always leaned towards pedals without them (like the red llama) because I could never set the tone knob quite right on other models. Thanks so much, guys!
Everyone can make a pedal sound great. Being able to explain what you look for, how you do it and why you do it is one step beyond. Both gain and tone/level methods are really valuable. I have spent a couple of hours now exploring my ODs and distorsion pedals. The gain method is not universally aplicable, especially in soft clipping ODs, but readjusting my ODs using the tone/level method really helps bringing back control to the tone (and volume) pots on the guitar. Outstanding video.
This was a lot of fun! Great to hear the knowledge in practice, even though I play at home by myself. It does help the ideas solidify. Dougie is the man!
Lots of great content in this video to help us ask better questions. Learning to identify what we're hearing is key to adjusting the parts that don't compliment the mix we're aiming for. Mick, you have an amazing ear and you know how to translate what you're hearing to a frequency. Dan has an amazing ear as well and a vast understanding for the technical reasons affecting and creating the sonic character of a signal. This video, in addition to being full of great info about overdrive & distortion, is full of great examples about ear training and critical listening. Thanks!!!!!
Once again That Pedal Show provides information that would've been extremely helpful to me 25 years ago. It amazes me how little I knew when I first started, and during my early years of gigging.
Great stuff! You should do more of these ”how does it sound in a band situation”, people can learn a lot from this. It’s ok to screw around alone at home but when you go play on loud volumes your finely tuned ”home sound” goes out the window
Absolute highlight of the week - every week… This is sort of the final test. How does it work in a band situation. Excellent demonstration. Wouldn't it be nice if we were to get more of this. How to set various FX: Reverb, delay, modulation, etc. in a band context. PLUS: How different amp EQ settings make your clean/basic sound get heard/not heard in a band context. Please keep up the good work, Gents!
Calm down, Dan! :D So excited. But it's also a very valuable lesson. Dynamics are important for guitar players to express themselves and be in their happy place. But if you're excited like a squirrel on caffeine (because of a gig or whatever), the last thing you need is a big wall of gain keeping you from reaching said happy place. Because that's probably the only metaphorical place where you'll be able to relax and connect with your bandmates, in such a situation. Also, great bass playing, Mick! Such a great timing. And don't you worry about the mix. It's amazing and nicely tight.
Great video, I have just started playing with other musicians in a band and with another guitarist. Your video on how to make two guitars work together was spot on! More videos look this would be great.
This was so insightful and helpful. Love the idea of the tone control being a fatness dial. And, how setting the highs helps the pedal bring in new dynamics. Excellent stuff.
I started watching That Pedal Show because it was nice to see my multiple amplifier rig validated. Cool to see the clean thing getting proper respect as well. I don't play with other people, but alone I discovered that after three or so amplifiers, very little gain is actually wanted. It just messes it up. 🙉
For a legendary heavy rock band (often perceived as borderline metal), AC/DC have never used that much in the way of gain at all. Malcolm Young's wonderful Gretsch always had that bite and chime to it.
According to Angus,"Malcolm’s amps sound pretty quiet compared to mine. He doesn ‘t play with as much volume. Malcolm likes a tough, clean sound with no distortion. I like to play very loud."
Hey guys!!! Great show, loved it. I just bought the Rat from JHS. It’s loads of fun to crank it full distortion lol mostly cause it makes me not suck as much. I still suck but I suck with noise to cover it up. I agree people think that they need to have it cranked and it’s okay for cuttin through on maybe a solo, it’s hard to actually hear the chords. It’s my very first full distortion pedal never been a huge fan. My favorite is fuzz but that is because I like the early British Blues bands/garage bands of the 60s. I prefer the sound of TS or a Klon cranked enough to hear the the gain stages. Anyways this episode just re-affirms that the way I have been playing my rat so far is more or less proper not fully cranked up and I actually like the way it sounds as a light overdrive the best. For fuzz I love it cranked for lead tones and with a delay cycling back and forth can add a bunch of dynamics. Here is what I found is really unique have a delay with tap tempo, crank the fuzz turn back the right to just the point of break up tap the fuzz off and on leaving the rat on it gets wild. If your a metal head which I am not the rat will chug lol. I wonder if you all agree with my thoughts and if not please let me know. One last thing is Dougie going to be a permanent fixture to the show.
Loved this show! I'm hoping there's going to be more of these, both for mod/time based pedals and adding other guitars/keys/vocals into the mix. That is where music lies! So interesting and informative.
Massively valuable video gentlemen - thank you !! Also. I’m a drummer first - guitarist second (we do exist) and we’re considerate and do consider it a “team sport”. I wish more guitarists would take their tone/gear and the reliability of their rig as seriously a most drummers take their setup. (I’ve worked over many years as a Sound tech and I wish more guitar players would leave the back line level alone once set, and sort out the power supply and isolation problems to their effects. Rather than expecting the stage crew to own the problem.
BASS!!!!! Would love more of that, but also just playing along with a backing track/drummer. Such a different thing playing with pedals when you're not the only one in the mix. Thanks!
I only wish I'd seen this video 25 years ago in my early rock band days. Reminds me of a tip an old bass player told me many moons ago, "Let the bass be the BASS of your sound". As obvious as it might seem It was an epiphany to me in that moment and my guitar tone forever changed for the better. Angus and Malcom Young were masters of their place in the band mix. their sound is barely breaking up but when they are mixed together with the band, well, it's AC/DC baby! Monster tones! Great video guys!
Really glad you brought up this subject, I just only hope so many guitarists that are guilty of having their drive/distortion gain cranked to the max and have nonexistent dynamics in their playing, with the four drive pedals I have on my current board none of their gain is ever above 12 o’clock, they’re all below and I have a lovely warm, fully driven and full EQ tone with great dynamics and control, resulting in a lovely overall timbre whether I want a very driven or light drive sound where I have total dynamic control in my playing, I think having studied sound engineering and production at college many years ago and learning all about levels, input signal, output signal is something I always took for granted knowing this, but having watching your video I now realise that I see so many people maxing everything out all the time and it drives me crazy, plus don’t people realise how crap and poor things sound?? Obviously they don’t. I really hope people will really take note of your guidance on this one. Thanks Stephen
This may be the most important video I have ever watched. Seriously. With too much gain my Strat looses it's "Strat-yness" and my Mesa Boogie looses its mojo as well.
One of the things I've always loved is being able to play six string chords with overdrive. It's a delicate balancing act sometimes but it goes some way towards describing my antipathy towards fuzz pedals which goes back to the very early days of my playing 'career' (which extends back over forty years). Given that decent overdrive pedals can be acquired relatively cheaply there really isn't much excuse for having one distortion pedal cranked up full all the time unless that's what you really, really, want.
at first i thought you were playing Black Mass by Electric Wizard! Ironically for that kind of music the rat with the distortion on full could be perfect haha
Great video guys, super useful and helpful! Can't wait to get home and twiddle some knobs to try and win back more dynamics from my OD pedals! I play hard rock with my cover band and I've been turning the gain down further and further more every rehearsal and my tone just keeps on improving. At volume this all becomes a huge must
Sorry to be late to the party, but yes! So good. And as someone who was given this tip years ago, i still learned a bunch, notably the all-open and the tone trick. Notably faster than fiddling by ear. Agree with whomever said, it's even more noticeable when there's a second guitar or keys in the mix. Thanks, gents! And go Dougie!!
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You have a very well trained drummer in Dougie. When Dan’s adjusting his tone, Dougie doesn’t yawn, check his watch, play paradiddles, drink booze or smash cymbals. What a gentleman!
Rare behavior!
And he plays kind of like Ian Paice, specially when things calm down. Like it.
couldn't agree more...the one rule that a lot of people playing in bands don't get is that it's a "team sport"- it's not just about you...
They probably promised him an extra large pack of crayons if he was a good boy
@@tonykennedy8483 🤣
I just love how Dougie just sits there so patiently and the explodes into life. Legendary.
Unlike any other drummer i know.. haha
@@mattflickinger8151 badum-tsch!
There were a couple moments where I thought Dougie was about to break out some drum rhythms as Dan was talking, but he remembered where he was and held back. Fair play Dougie and nice drumming 😎
@@riklionheart23 😂😂😂😂😂👍
I'd like to see the director's cut version, with Dougie's commentary over the action explaining his train of thought at the time.
You should do a how it sounds in the mix more often.
That's the plan - just feeling it out to see if the people like it. Cheers Billy!
@@ThatPedalShow it's a different angle than most are taking. A delay and reverb episode doing this would be great. Cheers!
@@ThatPedalShow I'd second that idea...me people like it ;-)
@@Billywagner22 And get a rhythm guitar part in there too!
@@ThatPedalShow We love it! This doesn't just help people in bands it helps people who record full mixes as well.
Just putting my vote in to do more of this. Would love to see a 4 piece with another guitar to show how to blend with them how to properly use a solo boost.
We'll get there.... Paddy on standby for bass. :0)
Yes, get Rabea to join the band!
@@ThatPedalShow Please do, 🤞
pls do
🤟😎🍻
Every young rock guitar player needs to watch this. It took me years of playing in bands to figure this out and a lot of gigging musicians never do
When distortion is on ten, there just isn’t anywhere to go. What you need to do is talk to Jim Marshall and get one to go to eleven, then you have one more.
YES!
But, why don’t you just make ten louder?
No, you need to talk to Nigel Tufnell
When you need that extra push over the cliff
@@mariokx250 you’ve had enough of that one…
Should be required viewing for every bar band ever. I am loving watching this!
Last comment, I promise.
When Dan busted out the gold top, that jam on the riff you guys have been playing was AWESOME! That gold top sounds great. As a LP owner and huge fan of the sound, I love when you guys bust out the Les Pauls.
Thanks so much. It's a very special guitar!
@@ThatPedalShow it’s no *Epiphany* that’s for sure.
Guys, this is the best video . I think this demoing in a band situation certainly gives a better understanding of pedals in the band situation. Can you do this again with other pedals please.
That's the plan Tim. We didn't know if anyone would dig it, so this is a test. Let's do it!
@@ThatPedalShow look forward to watching them..🤘
@@ThatPedalShow Awesome! Also with different types of dirt pedals and how to set and stack them, that would be even better! Can’t wait!
Guys… That was probably the most useful video I’ve seen on UA-cam ever!! I’ve been playing for almost 40 years and this is helped me tremendously. Thank you guys so much for everything that you do. Nashville loves you guys!
Thanks so much Robert 🤓🙏
Dougie is the friend we all need but don’t always deserve.
two minutes into this video and I'm already sure it's going to be the best example of how to use an onverdrive in context. Thank guys for this!
Daniel and Michael (Mick), this episode has been a tough pill for me to swallow. Been playing for 25 years, all of which have been too much gain and too much treble. I've learned over the last couple weeks of gigging that all that gain has had an adverse effect how the guitar sound. I'm from the Van Halen school, so I always wanted more gain for trills, legato and tapping. I've now realized that what I need to do as far as that department goes is develop better technique.
Thanks for what you guys do. Means very much to me as a musician and even life in general. I've found in life that too much of even a good thing can be a bad thing 🙂
Eric
Phoenix, AZ
Dude, that is why the started putting 2 channels on amps. So you can have a tight yet aggressive riff channel and a totally saturated lead channel.
You still have to play well on a super saturated sound, as all your mistakes come blaring out because the sound is so compressed.
Eddie was looking for as much gain as he could get, but he was a master of the guitars volume knob
This reminds me of getting an “AC/DC Tone”. You’ll see folks pack on the gain to emulate, but Angus’ tone is pretty clean, it’s just got a TON of volume. It’s tempting as well because there is safety in gain; the cleaner the tone the more “honest” the sound.
100%! An AC30 pretty loud but low gain gets a wicked Angus tone, and it blows everyones minds who are cranking Marshalls to the proverbial 11 (though of course he does use Marshals, but malcolm used a blended AC30 too)!
What I've found with playing in bands over the years is the bigness and the heavyness doesn't come from loads of distortion but it comes from being a tight band and everyone playing together. Great show as always. Cheers
Wise words. Perhaps the wisest. Thank you!
@@ThatPedalShow You're too kind!
The Massiveness of Rage Against the Machine is a good example of this. Guitar and bass playing together and super tight but not a huge chunk of distortion.
@@kieronhaycock dude was totally rippin on a tele (of all guitars!)
Yes please to more episodes with Dougie! Hearing this stuff in a band context is hugely helpful!
I love the 3-piece band approach! It really helps put everything in context.
You guys keep upping the game.Such a useful episode. The in the mix technique is where it’s all at. And those setting ideas are gold.
This was one of the most practical video lessons you guys have ever put out there. Way to go going outside your comfort zone just a little bit to show us how it's done. I spent some time dialing in my pedals this afternoon and it really made a difference in my tone.
Less is more (except when more is more)! Getting to hear this in a band context was such a great idea, and I really hope you do a bunch more of this. It's so easy to disappear up our own hoohoos as guitarists , the effects in isolation are super pretty but the second we play with others it all goes Pete Tong, sound wise!! Brilliant stuff, chaps.
Love this! Some time ago, I had mentioned how cool it would be to have a "That Band Show" which would essentially be That Pedal Show in a band context, ie, how to make the band sound better as a whole, how various pedals and settings work best. And boom - here we are! I am sure these are tricky to put together, but my goodness, it works great! You've got my vote for more of this kind of approach. Thanks Dougie! Thanks guys!
Really really excited to see where this goes. SO helpful, not to mention life-affirming, but also... knowledge-in-motion is simply awesome. Dan: legendary playing! Dougie: MORE! And Mick, dewd... the wine- and/or espresso-drenched licks of bass legend Pinot Cappuccino could be a regular thing. Just saying. 🍷☕💪
Hahahaha! Pinot Cappuccino. That’s it, that’s me from here on in. Thank you Kurtis!
I just had skin cancer removed and then I had it to get eye surgery so I've been home a lot going back to watch your guys videos I have learned so much you guys are brilliant and you really keeping me company during my convalescence so thank you again I love learning about music
This episode is pure gold, thanks a lot. Being that said, you really really REALLY have to create subtitles for this episode. Lots of guitar players, new and old, all around the world, will benefit from this, but not everyone can listen to english conversation. I can, but I am from Mexico and really want to share with other people but not everyone can listen to this. Auto-generated subtitles don't work great.
I played hard rock for so long with ALL the gain before realising that it sounded way better with less gain only a few years ago. Don’t get me wrong, some heavy music really needs a load of the stuff, but it’s nice to counterpoint that with less gain in the next song.
Great stuff guys. ✋🏻👍🏻
Mind blown by specifically using the high frequencies to match clean vs pedal output. This is why I watch you guys. Cheers!
Fantastic example of getting a great live band guitar sound. I love the tip about the tone control, that’s hugely useful!
Thank you so much guys! I just borrowed my old RAT pedal back from my friend, used your pointers to the letter and just dialled in some of the tastiest dang drive sounds out of my AC30 I’ve ever heard. Simple tips on how to dial in your settings…genius! Keep the great tips coming 👍🏻
Incredible how you get some of the same sounds with the game pedal on as you were with the clean settings just by showing Dynamics in your hands simply amazing such a great point to make I'm playing over 35 years and this is like a revelation to me! Thank you so much you guys are brilliant!
I haven't seen this subject covered nearly enough in the guitar pedal community on UA-cam, and it's super important to know. Thanks for this well-needed lesson.
I’m so glad you brought in the bass and drums!! Next I’d love to see how to blend with two humbucking guitars etc
The quality of this live mix is INSANE! Can’t remember hearing a better one. Kudos chaps!
Wow, thanks!
Love having the drums and bass in this, really helpful to see what a difference it makes in the mix. Also shows how awesome Dan’s playing is in more of a song-like context!
Great show, guys! I had this revelation when I heard Velvet Revolver for the first time! The difference in the amount of gain Slash used with them as opposed to GNR was crazy and the guitar sounded so good!
Tones, tasty playing from all players and Master Class on how to achieve definition and dinamic playing tones.
Dan you ace the video with melodic playing and demonstrating how to play with expression.
The LP sounded glorious and so did the Tele.
Epic unforgettable episode.
Keep rocking. Please make a few more episodes for fuzz settings, delays, the sky is the limit.😊👍
I learned a lot today! I wish someone could have explained this when I started playing guitar 40 years ago. Thanks TPS!
Ringing true that less is more! What a great way to explain the classic problem of “why am I lost in the mix when the band comes over?”
I’ve been waiting for this. A live band scenario changes everything. Fantastic episode👍
Holy Mary mother of God… Dan, you are a saint! I cant remember Having my mind blown quite such as it has been with this video-except for the first time I watched bloody
“TAXI DRIVER” The point is…, As an aspiring filmmaker I was forever changed after viewing that iconic piece. I suspect that my trajectory on the path to a decent tone has been altered for the better. Thank you Dan and Mick. Long live that pedal show. 🎊🍾🥳
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@@ThatPedalShow I am freaking star struck right now!!!! Thanks for the comment guys! Keep fighting the good fight!!!!
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Having Doug there changes everything. Hope this becomes a regular thing. Context is enormously useful.
Only a few minutes in however, I am so happy for you guys getting the band set up for the video that I just had to comment. Loving it! This is an evolution of TPS. Having the option to show in-band examples 'Chef's Kiss' . Leg ENDS!!
Thanks so much J. Lots of people happy we did this. So there will be more!
You just answered my actual and biggest question and cured the pain of NOT beeing able to dial in the right distorted tone ....
This was so helpful...again.
You are doing a great job...
Awesome!
Thanks for clearly showing how you adjust the gain and explaining what you are listening for. Helped me a lot to understand.
Really helpfull. I’ve been struggling with my higher gain sounds while playing with the band. Love my cleans and low gain tones with my tele in contrast to the other guitarists Les Paul but as soon as we hit a heavier section and I engage my next gain stage I disappear. This is gunna be a real game changer I think. Sounds obvious now you’ve said it too 😂
Awesome, please let us know how it works out!
Try turning the gain down a touch and instead of running a drive into drive for more saturation, try boosting after your main drive for more volume instead of saturation.
So if you have and amp that you use for your main drive sound with an effects loop put your boost in the loop for a louder sound of your main drive. If you have a clean amp platform, run the boost after your main drive to to get your volume boost.
If you are certain you need to gain stack drives/distortion you will definitely have to turn the gain down on both to get you max drive with both on.
In band practise you could see what kind of eq and/or volume lift your other guitarist is getting compared to you, just take turns in isolation clicking things on and off, you and them might have to compromise certain sounds. Helps if you record it so you can see whats happening
Absolutely fantastic tip about the tone control on pedals! I've always leaned towards pedals without them (like the red llama) because I could never set the tone knob quite right on other models. Thanks so much, guys!
More videos with Dougie! This was awesome.
Everyone can make a pedal sound great. Being able to explain what you look for, how you do it and why you do it is one step beyond. Both gain and tone/level methods are really valuable. I have spent a couple of hours now exploring my ODs and distorsion pedals. The gain method is not universally aplicable, especially in soft clipping ODs, but readjusting my ODs using the tone/level method really helps bringing back control to the tone (and volume) pots on the guitar. Outstanding video.
Another great episode. It seems there is always something to learn about that volume-gain-tone relationship, especially with a band.
This was a lot of fun! Great to hear the knowledge in practice, even though I play at home by myself. It does help the ideas solidify.
Dougie is the man!
Lots of great content in this video to help us ask better questions. Learning to identify what we're hearing is key to adjusting the parts that don't compliment the mix we're aiming for. Mick, you have an amazing ear and you know how to translate what you're hearing to a frequency. Dan has an amazing ear as well and a vast understanding for the technical reasons affecting and creating the sonic character of a signal. This video, in addition to being full of great info about overdrive & distortion, is full of great examples about ear training and critical listening. Thanks!!!!!
The drums sounded great! Nice work, Dougie! Solid information here, guys. The jams were sublime!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
A masterclass in compression and distortion. Well done. gentlemen, very well done!
I found this to be the most helpful episode so far. Thanks for the great content. I love this channel
Thank you!
It's always great to see you guys play together.
Once again That Pedal Show provides information that would've been extremely helpful to me 25 years ago. It amazes me how little I knew when I first started, and during my early years of gigging.
Great stuff! You should do more of these ”how does it sound in a band situation”, people can learn a lot from this.
It’s ok to screw around alone at home but when you go play on loud volumes your finely tuned ”home sound” goes out the window
Absolute highlight of the week - every week…
This is sort of the final test. How does it work in a band situation. Excellent demonstration.
Wouldn't it be nice if we were to get more of this. How to set various FX: Reverb, delay, modulation, etc. in a band context.
PLUS: How different amp EQ settings make your clean/basic sound get heard/not heard in a band context.
Please keep up the good work, Gents!
Hello Jep - thanks for the suggestions. We’ll totally be doing that. Cheers!
Calm down, Dan! :D So excited. But it's also a very valuable lesson. Dynamics are important for guitar players to express themselves and be in their happy place. But if you're excited like a squirrel on caffeine (because of a gig or whatever), the last thing you need is a big wall of gain keeping you from reaching said happy place. Because that's probably the only metaphorical place where you'll be able to relax and connect with your bandmates, in such a situation. Also, great bass playing, Mick! Such a great timing. And don't you worry about the mix. It's amazing and nicely tight.
Well thank you all round Bollie. Very kind!
I loved it! talking about guitar pedals in the context of a band is amazing!
Can I just say ... kudos on the link converse 😂. Love it.
Lower gain is king, always. This is coming from a metal player 😂.
Great video, I have just started playing with other musicians in a band and with another guitarist. Your video on how to make two guitars work together was spot on! More videos look this would be great.
This was so insightful and helpful. Love the idea of the tone control being a fatness dial. And, how setting the highs helps the pedal bring in new dynamics. Excellent stuff.
I started watching That Pedal Show because it was nice to see my multiple amplifier rig validated. Cool to see the clean thing getting proper respect as well. I don't play with other people, but alone I discovered that after three or so amplifiers, very little gain is actually wanted. It just messes it up. 🙉
For a legendary heavy rock band (often perceived as borderline metal), AC/DC have never used that much in the way of gain at all. Malcolm Young's wonderful Gretsch always had that bite and chime to it.
Totally this!
Yes, in fact it sounds weird when AC%DC is played with too much gain.
According to Angus,"Malcolm’s amps sound pretty quiet compared to mine. He doesn ‘t play with as much volume. Malcolm likes a tough, clean sound with no distortion. I like to play very loud."
"Anything ADDC's good!"
DOUGIEEEE!
I'm gonna put this down very simple. HELL YEAH!
Let's see Dougie more in the future too.
Great show! Count me as another person that's excited for more band context videos.
Yes! Great video! I’d love to see more pedal (fuzzes, reverbs, delays) demos and lessons in band context. Thank you!
Hey guys!!! Great show, loved it. I just bought the Rat from JHS. It’s loads of fun to crank it full distortion lol mostly cause it makes me not suck as much. I still suck but I suck with noise to cover it up. I agree people think that they need to have it cranked and it’s okay for cuttin through on maybe a solo, it’s hard to actually hear the chords. It’s my very first full distortion pedal never been a huge fan. My favorite is fuzz but that is because I like the early British Blues bands/garage bands of the 60s. I prefer the sound of TS or a Klon cranked enough to hear the the gain stages. Anyways this episode just re-affirms that the way I have been playing my rat so far is more or less proper not fully cranked up and I actually like the way it sounds as a light overdrive the best. For fuzz I love it cranked for lead tones and with a delay cycling back and forth can add a bunch of dynamics. Here is what I found is really unique have a delay with tap tempo, crank the fuzz turn back the right to just the point of break up tap the fuzz off and on leaving the rat on it gets wild. If your a metal head which I am not the rat will chug lol. I wonder if you all agree with my thoughts and if not please let me know. One last thing is Dougie going to be a permanent fixture to the show.
I think this is something we often take for granted and forget about. Always amazes me how much the little tweaks make the biggest difference.
this is my fav episode, so far. and great tone from drummer, too
Dan’s expression at 27:48 to 28:00 - remembering exactly why it is he does this. Reminded me as well. Good show, gents.
Thanks Jeff!
Please, more Dougie!! Seriously, it really does help hear the overall sound.
Don't tell him that, we'll have to pay him!
Loved this show! I'm hoping there's going to be more of these, both for mod/time based pedals and adding other guitars/keys/vocals into the mix. That is where music lies! So interesting and informative.
It is our hope to do that Chris. Keys might be pushing it, but who knows?!
love the format of this one with the band!
More full band pedal/dynamic demos please!!
Massively valuable video gentlemen - thank you !!
Also. I’m a drummer first - guitarist second (we do exist) and we’re considerate and do consider it a “team sport”.
I wish more guitarists would take their tone/gear and the reliability of their rig as seriously a most drummers take their setup. (I’ve worked over many years as a Sound tech and I wish more guitar players would leave the back line level alone once set, and sort out the power supply and isolation problems to their effects. Rather than expecting the stage crew to own the problem.
Never ceases to amaze us how many people are out there with dodgy power and leads!
BASS!!!!! Would love more of that, but also just playing along with a backing track/drummer. Such a different thing playing with pedals when you're not the only one in the mix. Thanks!
They could even both play along with bass/drum backing track to build a 4 piece with 2 guitars.
I only wish I'd seen this video 25 years ago in my early rock band days. Reminds me of a tip an old bass player told me many moons ago, "Let the bass be the BASS of your sound". As obvious as it might seem It was an epiphany to me in that moment and my guitar tone forever changed for the better. Angus and Malcom Young were masters of their place in the band mix. their sound is barely breaking up but when they are mixed together with the band, well, it's AC/DC baby! Monster tones! Great video guys!
Great show, loved it! It really brought so much of what TPS is about into context. More, please. 😀
Really glad you brought up this subject, I just only hope so many guitarists that are guilty of having their drive/distortion gain cranked to the max and have nonexistent dynamics in their playing, with the four drive pedals I have on my current board none of their gain is ever above 12 o’clock, they’re all below and I have a lovely warm, fully driven and full EQ tone with great dynamics and control, resulting in a lovely overall timbre whether I want a very driven or light drive sound where I have total dynamic control in my playing, I think having studied sound engineering and production at college many years ago and learning all about levels, input signal, output signal is something I always took for granted knowing this, but having watching your video I now realise that I see so many people maxing everything out all the time and it drives me crazy, plus don’t people realise how crap and poor things sound?? Obviously they don’t.
I really hope people will really take note of your guidance on this one. Thanks Stephen
Super informational! Thanks guys and this might be your best episode yet!
This is a fantastic lesson. I have heard great players disappear in the mix of a live show because they had no idea how to set their overdrive pedal!
LOVE this new "full band" in context format !!
This may be the most important video I have ever watched. Seriously. With too much gain my Strat looses it's "Strat-yness" and my Mesa Boogie looses its mojo as well.
super informative and helpful! this style of dialing in tones in the mix with a band is awesome + we also see the db meter..! well done!
+1 for 'hearing things in a band mix is totally helpful'. Cheers from the Big Apple!
I’m gonna be giving this a go in the rehearsal studio on Monday night - great video !!!!!
Thanks so much guys, great video. I've been waiting for someone to do a video like this. Great information
Wow! So that's why my lead sound is getting lost in the mix. TOO MUCH GAIN! Thanks for the tip guys. Great show!
This was a really good idea. I am glad we did this. We should do it more often.
We will! Cheers!
@@ThatPedalShow:D yeah cheers!
What a fascinating episode. Great advice on how to shape your gain sounds in a band setting, great episode and terrific playing by the three of you :)
One of the things I've always loved is being able to play six string chords with overdrive. It's a delicate balancing act sometimes but it goes some way towards describing my antipathy towards fuzz pedals which goes back to the very early days of my playing 'career' (which extends back over forty years). Given that decent overdrive pedals can be acquired relatively cheaply there really isn't much excuse for having one distortion pedal cranked up full all the time unless that's what you really, really, want.
When mashups occur so perfectly - the world doesn't even notice.
This is why Ritchie Blackmore was so amazing - super loud, low gain levels and of course he could shred e.g. the Child in Time solo
And very articulate sound
Child in time solo is just brilliant. The light and shade of switching from neck to bridge in the solo... one of the best.
Delightful as always chaps!
at first i thought you were playing Black Mass by Electric Wizard! Ironically for that kind of music the rat with the distortion on full could be perfect haha
that so sounded like the black mass riff.... & yeah heavy duty sputtering gain/fuzz is so apt for a riff like that
Great video guys, super useful and helpful! Can't wait to get home and twiddle some knobs to try and win back more dynamics from my OD pedals! I play hard rock with my cover band and I've been turning the gain down further and further more every rehearsal and my tone just keeps on improving. At volume this all becomes a huge must
Sorry to be late to the party, but yes! So good. And as someone who was given this tip years ago, i still learned a bunch, notably the all-open and the tone trick. Notably faster than fiddling by ear. Agree with whomever said, it's even more noticeable when there's a second guitar or keys in the mix. Thanks, gents! And go Dougie!!
For me, this is the most useful chapter.
Great shows chaps. Also, just gotta say that the drums and bass sounded fab - great groove and nicely recorded/mixed.👍🏻👏🏻
Thanks s much Andy. I've been fretting about it all week. But it seems that people are getting the point so job done. Cheers! (Mick here)