isnt this basically pp's style since the golden era? Im pretty sure in that 5 gods interview they were talking about how pp should/could improve his punish
@@gamer966 No ppmd mentioned that as a joke, and then all the gods (except hbox, he wasn't there, scheduling conflict) said that pp's punish game is great, which is true back in the golden age. Now a days his punish game isn't as good as other top players.
@@speokeosai word. Pp recently talked about this I'm pretty sure. He felt that he used to be all punish and then later had aspirations to have both strong punish and strong neutral.
Man, PP's movement with Marth is elegant. I always liked his Falco the most. But he's doing some really interesting and smooth Marth paint brush strokes.
Man it's so impressive to see PP still be this solid even in the modern meta, he was barely behind and with a few adjustments could have won every game.
@darksyde3000 we were not shielddropping or asdi'ng down (especially out of walk) in 2013. just those two things are massive defensive changes in the past few years shielddropping literally changed how we viewed melee. being stuck on a platform used to be bad, now sheik lives on platforms and marth/fox get such good openings descending from or attacking into plats buffering inputs was rare ccing was much rarer and not nearly as utilized
"It's different when you're top 5!!" Directly translates to "I'm mad someone I don't know beat me and it's hurts my ego because I'm supposed to be one of the best"
I mean, why is he wrong?, all the people getting mad at this clearly don't watch Cody at all, why would you stay against some scrubby player in netplay when you can fight an actual good player, top players don't get good players to practice against, and when you finally get someone good you didn't get to actually practice bc you where reading chat and they left after they won Also not bc you want to play someone you just lost to means that your ego got hurt, that happens all the time in fighting games, you want to play someone you just lost to to practice and get better, this comment tells me 1 of 2 things (or maybe both) You don't play melee or fighting games at all (so you clearly don't understand this stuff) Or you are just stupid
@@averagejoessb3110 i mean, he isn't wrong, why would you stay if you play against someone you easily beat, there are another hundreds of people that can offer a bigger or at least a different challenge, if you play scrubs you end up with bad habits,
To be fair he won't be inclined to stay if he absolutely dumpsters someone. Most people are looking for people around their skill level to play against and they've just played a super close game.
Wins 2 games. one with 2 stocks and another at last hit last stock. "I mean there are some games where I absolutely run him over but like he's still smart" ...
PP did so much better than I was expecting. I really hope these two get a chance to play off stream because I really do think it would be good for both of them
@@vyor8837 The problem with PPMD was that they felt incapable of playing at top level for years. They suffer from low testosterone for some reason. Not sure if that was something they had when they were a "god" too, but that seemed to be the reason they quit and did not feel like they had endurance to compete.
"Why am I unbelievably nervous right now?" That's the difference between a god and a human. It doesn't matter if the human catches up to the god in skill, the pure fear they instill in you is enough in itself
I knew as soon as Cody said 'lemme pay attention, this guy is actually playing melee' I knew damn well he was going to discredit pp's win because cody "wasnt paying attention" yeah my ass he was definitely trying there
@@bullseye- Nah I don't feel like he was. Cody wasn't playing 100% at the start because most of the marth's he plays online are ass. But when he plays PP and realizes that this guy is insane, he was late adjusting. I think Cody was trying to discredit PP a bit here, but since it's online and only 1 game (melee is really fast paced) then IDK. PP did get lucky, he gimped cody last stock
@@chuifongtam4703 sure, he did get a bit lucky last stock. However, you can see signs of cody trying before actually bringing up that fact that he's "actually playing the game", as for the slippi marth thing, sure that makes sense but its clear from the way cody was focusing while playing a lot that he was indeed trying and just trying to make up an excuse as to why he lost. But still I digress.
Idbw is such a degenerate. *First game goes to fd* Pp- "want a different stage?" Idbm-... *Pp takes first stock* Idbm- "I would have liked a different stage"
@@roy8749 if Ibdw wanted a different stage PPMD told him he could change it. Ibdw didn’t, then lost the first stock and decided he wanted to change it. That’s the point.
@fkdkfnfnldbjdbfjd7179 I noticed that too so I just assumed they couldn't hear each other and the editor just put both their voices in for our viewing pleasure.
People hatin on Cody for malding before he realized it was PP don’t understand how rare it is for him to run into somebody on netplay who is an actual challenge so he was probably just bummed he couldn’t get some more games in
@@ethernet389i don’t think it’s bad to get annoyed at people one and done’ing. aside from PP’s context, if you want valid practice, there’s just no reason to decide to play any game if you don’t wanna at least push it to a set
Good content. Fun to see PP play players with newer meta. Definitely shows that a lot of his skill isn’t meta focused. He is just a smart, efficient player. I’m happy with what I saw 👍🏾
honestly if peepee was used to the new stuff in the meta and has it implemented in his own play, it would be hard for me to see cody take a set in tournament
Bro if Big P returns to melee and wins a tournament it would seem like a fucking movie a forgotten god come back to a modern meta and rising once more man.
Funny cause if mango said this everyone would be laughing but since Cody said it we shit on him. It was a genuinely funny joke. If you don't like him just say you don't like him instead of attacking shit that doesn't make sense to attack. Not even a Cody fan but the logic here is asinine. Ur bad at the game
It makes me sad.... so many of the new "good" melee players are like this. Like Plup and Wizzy were both so much nicer and better before they were top players. Now IBDW is there,
PPMD who hasn't played competitively for 6 years at this point more or less even with flavour of the month IBDW and yet I get ridiculed when I say Armada would stroll back in to the top level of the competitive scene. Nobody wants to admit it but the reason your axes and your amsas are winning tournaments is that the top level has dropped off since the great filter retired. Even Mango is winning majors again.
I know there's some drama brewing rn, but honestly I love how positive and friendly the overall top level melee community is. Everyone is laughing, having a good time, and joking around with eachother all the time! All while not losing the ability to flip a switch and play to win for tournament. Honestly such an amazing example for newer or lower level players. Couldn't be happier with the melee scene right now
@@eepyslvt The fear that you get memed on just for losing a game to one of the best players of all time or the disrespect or thinking everyone should be perfect and never drop anything/have to try hard try hard all the time even online is pretty bad. It just adds unnecessary stress. Take a sport like football, who even cares about pre-season records. Take a sport like beach volleyball (since I know it) and no one keeps track of who wins and loses outside of tournament.
Yea the melee community is pretty toxic overall. Even commentating alot of the time has turn into" No don't do that!" And pointing out any options that are less then perfect instead of actual informative commentating. It's really irritating how sweaty the community is
I love that ppmd has become "the master that quit in their prime but kept training in the mountains" and is still one of the strongest players and just doesnt play in tournaments anymore
So cool. This reminds me of them old RPG series when they add an optional cameo boss into the newest entry, like the Kratos fight in Tales of Vesperia.
3:32 what an ego. On a technical level, melee has reached incredible heights but some of the new players are incredibly annoying to listen to and watch.
You can see why "Marthritis" was a common term back then. Punish game was not optimized and so many dropped edge guards. Still more fun to watch then Kodorin's Marth though. I don't know what it is but it just looks weird watching him play Marth.
I loved the “this guy’s punish game is bad but it seems he’s really smart”. It’s inspiring.
isnt this basically pp's style since the golden era? Im pretty sure in that 5 gods interview they were talking about how pp should/could improve his punish
@@gamer966 No ppmd mentioned that as a joke, and then all the gods (except hbox, he wasn't there, scheduling conflict) said that pp's punish game is great, which is true back in the golden age. Now a days his punish game isn't as good as other top players.
@@speokeosai word. Pp recently talked about this I'm pretty sure. He felt that he used to be all punish and then later had aspirations to have both strong punish and strong neutral.
He didn't say it was bad, rather than it wasn't good. There is a difference.
@@OscarGeronimo it’s bad though
Lmaooooo " This guys actually playing melee" I'm weak af
Skill recognizes skill
cody pretending he wasnt tryharding in those games OMG THE EGO LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
yes
4:26 chat got him screaming rofl
LMAO
as soon as he said "it's different when you're a top 5 player" I already knew
Especially how obvious it is these days with his recent tweets. Literally having a tantrum on twitter
“I finally got a decent Marth”, dude this is one of the best to ever do it.
Did IBDW ever play PP in PP's prime?
@@zachrobertson8138 lmao. Ibdw wasn’t even ranked yet.
@@RIStar-ds7wr born*
@@RIStar-ds7wr one of my friends misfired ibdw in tournament once absolutely hilarious
Pp wouldn’t even be top 20 rn
"Why am I so unbelievably nervous?" Because you're playing one of the five gods of melee
this has "why am i hearing bossmusic" energy
"I wasn't paying attention" johns
Please no johns Cody
"It's different when you are a top 5 player,"
Cody is such a snob man
Man, PP's movement with Marth is elegant. I always liked his Falco the most. But he's doing some really interesting and smooth Marth paint brush strokes.
cant remember the last time cody didn't come off real toxic in a video where he says more than 5 sentences
mans calls the knee Falcon fair lol
fricking hate cody
He seems like quite an unpleasant person tbh. Very hard to root for, very easy to root against
It's actually impressive that PP's able to keep up. Definitely put a smile on my face :-)
cody was like barley trying
@@beachedwhale12 and you think pp was too?
@@nosir3807 idk dude fucking 9 months ago
@@beachedwhale12 L
Neither were taking it uber serious. Duh.
"I don't want you to get memed on" lmaooo thats great from PP
Man it's so impressive to see PP still be this solid even in the modern meta, he was barely behind and with a few adjustments could have won every game.
He is one of the gods after all :D
Modern meta vs current meta is in most cases largely an illusion. Almost everything that was peak in 2013 is still super effective now.
@@darksyde3000this in incredibly cap
@@sunflowertheogk
@darksyde3000 we were not shielddropping or asdi'ng down (especially out of walk) in 2013. just those two things are massive defensive changes in the past few years
shielddropping literally changed how we viewed melee. being stuck on a platform used to be bad, now sheik lives on platforms and marth/fox get such good openings descending from or attacking into plats
buffering inputs was rare
ccing was much rarer and not nearly as utilized
cody so pissed jesus
iBDW, with an ego larger than the number of Rests Hbox has hit.
"It's different when you're top 5!!" Directly translates to "I'm mad someone I don't know beat me and it's hurts my ego because I'm supposed to be one of the best"
Its netplay. I'm positive it isn't that serious to him lmao
I mean, why is he wrong?, all the people getting mad at this clearly don't watch Cody at all, why would you stay against some scrubby player in netplay when you can fight an actual good player, top players don't get good players to practice against, and when you finally get someone good you didn't get to actually practice bc you where reading chat and they left after they won
Also not bc you want to play someone you just lost to means that your ego got hurt, that happens all the time in fighting games, you want to play someone you just lost to to practice and get better, this comment tells me 1 of 2 things (or maybe both)
You don't play melee or fighting games at all (so you clearly don't understand this stuff)
Or you are just stupid
Cody is a fucking baby dude. Always.
You're just mad you are worthless at litterally everything in your life. You don't have a stream, fans, nothin'.
@@aaronphilpot2726 His ego said otherwise on this video...
Who leaves a game and leave? Ibdw beat me and left one time :(
FOR REAL. I don't feel bad at all. Cody plays one and leaves all the friggin time. Happened to me too. Figures.
"It's different when you're a top 5 player"
@@MegaStunfiskandHat this is why I don't really like Cody.
@@averagejoessb3110 i mean, he isn't wrong, why would you stay if you play against someone you easily beat, there are another hundreds of people that can offer a bigger or at least a different challenge, if you play scrubs you end up with bad habits,
I feel you. But if its not challenging why stay?
Damn he really said u can only leave after one win if u top 5 😂😂
ugh Cody annoys me so much
@@dilbert7120 Big same. Large cringe boy.
To be fair he won't be inclined to stay if he absolutely dumpsters someone. Most people are looking for people around their skill level to play against and they've just played a super close game.
bro was literally ONE OF THE 5 GODS like broooo
@@BeeBNThat's the crazy part lol
Wins 2 games. one with 2 stocks and another at last hit last stock. "I mean there are some games where I absolutely run him over but like he's still smart" ...
ibdw is half leffen and half mew2king, unfortunately it’s the undesirable half of both of them
I like him :)
damn.
this is the perfect description
his attitude is seriously....Erk
"He didn't watch my marth killer video!" lmao
bro thinks he's the mc so bad.
0 fucking charisma
It cannot be understated how bad I want PP to return to tournament
Jesus Cody is so full of himself.. trying to condescendingly pat pp in the back and telling him he's not far off..
Hes a complete tool
PP's neutral still looks so nice
i didn't realize how aesthetic PPs marth i like it more than zain's even if its less effective
pp and m2k were both artists with the character.
How could you forget.
Nearly a decade later and PPMD's Marth is getting called "aesthetic" this Marth used to be clinical.
PP did so much better than I was expecting. I really hope these two get a chance to play off stream because I really do think it would be good for both of them
Wasn't called a god for nothing
@@vyor8837 miss seeing ppmd win so much
@@vyor8837 The problem with PPMD was that they felt incapable of playing at top level for years. They suffer from low testosterone for some reason. Not sure if that was something they had when they were a "god" too, but that seemed to be the reason they quit and did not feel like they had endurance to compete.
@@sigurdtheblue you're allowed to say he.
@@sigurdtheblue they who? PPMD and Mew2King or PPMD and Armada?
"Why am I unbelievably nervous right now?"
That's the difference between a god and a human. It doesn't matter if the human catches up to the god in skill, the pure fear they instill in you is enough in itself
IBDW is the king of johns even midset
I knew as soon as Cody said 'lemme pay attention, this guy is actually playing melee' I knew damn well he was going to discredit pp's win because cody "wasnt paying attention" yeah my ass he was definitely trying there
I love Cody man chill
@@chuifongtam4703 so do I but he was clearly just trying to discredit pp there. I'm not even a ppmd fan it was just very blatant.
@@bullseye- Nah I don't feel like he was. Cody wasn't playing 100% at the start because most of the marth's he plays online are ass. But when he plays PP and realizes that this guy is insane, he was late adjusting. I think Cody was trying to discredit PP a bit here, but since it's online and only 1 game (melee is really fast paced) then IDK. PP did get lucky, he gimped cody last stock
@@chuifongtam4703 sure, he did get a bit lucky last stock. However, you can see signs of cody trying before actually bringing up that fact that he's "actually playing the game", as for the slippi marth thing, sure that makes sense but its clear from the way cody was focusing while playing a lot that he was indeed trying and just trying to make up an excuse as to why he lost. But still I digress.
Idbw is such a degenerate.
*First game goes to fd*
Pp- "want a different stage?"
Idbm-...
*Pp takes first stock*
Idbm- "I would have liked a different stage"
He didn't pick FD wdym????
@@roy8749 if Ibdw wanted a different stage PPMD told him he could change it. Ibdw didn’t, then lost the first stock and decided he wanted to change it. That’s the point.
@fkdkfnfnldbjdbfjd7179 I noticed that too so I just assumed they couldn't hear each other and the editor just put both their voices in for our viewing pleasure.
People hatin on Cody for malding before he realized it was PP don’t understand how rare it is for him to run into somebody on netplay who is an actual challenge so he was probably just bummed he couldn’t get some more games in
Yea knowing that it was PP softened the blow bc it's very easy to just go find his stream and let him know to play again
Nah he was mad he got gimped and they left. We've played the game we know how it feels, he isnt different lmfaoo
@@ethernet389i don’t think it’s bad to get annoyed at people one and done’ing. aside from PP’s context, if you want valid practice, there’s just no reason to decide to play any game if you don’t wanna at least push it to a set
this is giga cope
I wish pros ran into each other randomly online more. I enjoy scenarios like that so much no matter the game.
PP is such a nice guy.
No johns iBDW......
Good content. Fun to see PP play players with newer meta. Definitely shows that a lot of his skill isn’t meta focused. He is just a smart, efficient player. I’m happy with what I saw 👍🏾
If PP keeps practicing he will embarras this guy next time they play
Armada went his secondary (fox) and took 5 games off this marth in 2 sets in his prime. The Era of the 5 gods was insane.
They were both dual mains by that point
People aren't better now, they're just different people
@@isambo400nah ppl are way fuckin better now
Bro ran into a fucking brick wall that first game. PP still got it. 💪
Amen
“I wasn’t paying attention! Who the fuck was that!?” killed me.😂
I want to say the random F-Smash thing was an M2K thing originally. It definitely looks like an older style of Marth play.
Lmao ibdw trying to tell pp how to play marth. He's such a child.
honestly if peepee was used to the new stuff in the meta and has it implemented in his own play, it would be hard for me to see cody take a set in tournament
I remember PPMD saying he’s gonna solo main when he comes back. I doubt he’s gonna solo Marth. Would love to see how his Falco would do vs Cody.
PPMD needs to enter tournaments again. He's still like top 20 potential, just doesn't enter anything.
ikr... he almost beat the 2nd best player in the world. He could be top 10 if he put in some serious work he's not far off.
Games like these make me realize why melee is really good
"this person's actually pretty good, whoever they are"
Bro if Big P returns to melee and wins a tournament it would seem like a fucking movie a forgotten god come back to a modern meta and rising once more man.
the best timeline; "Stack it up"
LOVE seeing cody lose. God he’s annoying to listen to and watch
lmao pp takes the game and dips out, gotta love it probably thought it was a random ranked fox
if u watched the rest of the video u'd know pp knew who it was from the start
nope he told his chat it was the last single game before he saw who he matched up vs
He was doing educational commentary. He can't do that vs a top 5 player.
@@fupalover”he wanted to destroy random scrubs for content”
@@Coolbeans554 PPMD is a good guy, don't put him on the same tier as those who chase shallow content.
watching pp play with the guitar music is almost majestic
"You know what Mango is gonna say if I drop anymore games" lmao wtf are we 12?
No but he's gonna haunt him for the rest of his life
@@sprenzy7936 So we are 12?
Funny cause if mango said this everyone would be laughing but since Cody said it we shit on him. It was a genuinely funny joke. If you don't like him just say you don't like him instead of attacking shit that doesn't make sense to attack. Not even a Cody fan but the logic here is asinine. Ur bad at the game
It’s cuz mango has so much pull that it can actually affect how players are perceived by the community
relevant comment lol
The John’s.. they’re so bad
man the GunZ streamer name is nostalgic. most people prolly dont even remember that game
The impromptu metafy session was cringe LOL! PP is way too humble
Nicest smash player vs douchiest smash player
im not a particularly big fan of ibdw's overall personality either, but douchiest smash player has GOT to still be leffen right
@@firewall5189 leffen is retired from being hated now
@@benjaminmyers4117 Then you'll start yapping again when Leffen does something bad, or stupid.
@@debeb5148 nah I mean he even said he purposefully was like that to create interest in melee. He's done a lot for the community
@@firewall5189 hbox fs
2:40 damn what a read on PP lol
Nice to see this from ibdw's pov
"Wait this person like actually play Melee, I should probably pay attention" 😂
Kind of an understatement there, I suppose that guy has played some 😏
very wholesome at 18:00 where Cody just starts explaining stuff
I don’t want you to get meme’d on LOL let’s go Kevin
It makes me sad.... so many of the new "good" melee players are like this. Like Plup and Wizzy were both so much nicer and better before they were top players. Now IBDW is there,
wdym?
@Dave_Chrome They have too much ego, and don't even recognise the greats.
@@btf_flotsam478they also became huge crybabies
@Adacoys wait wizzy is a crybaby? Doesnt that guy never show emotions? And when did plup? (Not defending im legit curious)
Bro is coaching the founding father...
PP still hanging with top players
PPMD who hasn't played competitively for 6 years at this point more or less even with flavour of the month IBDW and yet I get ridiculed when I say Armada would stroll back in to the top level of the competitive scene. Nobody wants to admit it but the reason your axes and your amsas are winning tournaments is that the top level has dropped off since the great filter retired. Even Mango is winning majors again.
I'd say Armada wouldn't be at the top level again, but he probably would get there quickly. Much quicker than pretty much anybody else could.
@@moatef1886 Armada would be insta-top 10 if he came back and grinded Melee imo
I know there's some drama brewing rn, but honestly I love how positive and friendly the overall top level melee community is. Everyone is laughing, having a good time, and joking around with eachother all the time! All while not losing the ability to flip a switch and play to win for tournament. Honestly such an amazing example for newer or lower level players. Couldn't be happier with the melee scene right now
"what mangos going to say about me" and all that shit is very toxic lol
@@eepyslvt The fear that you get memed on just for losing a game to one of the best players of all time or the disrespect or thinking everyone should be perfect and never drop anything/have to try hard try hard all the time even online is pretty bad. It just adds unnecessary stress. Take a sport like football, who even cares about pre-season records. Take a sport like beach volleyball (since I know it) and no one keeps track of who wins and loses outside of tournament.
@@Itstime1231 completely agree
Yea the melee community is pretty toxic overall. Even commentating alot of the time has turn into" No don't do that!" And pointing out any options that are less then perfect instead of actual informative commentating. It's really irritating how sweaty the community is
Drama starts whenever we talk about our controllers. The fuck you mean?
Every game was SO close
the last 10 minutes was so cute
1:55 so nasty.
game 1: LETS GOOO PPPP
People just love to hate cody man it's so weird
this first music is the music I always have while playing """important""" games in offline tournys
what's the name ?
I love that ppmd has become "the master that quit in their prime but kept training in the mountains" and is still one of the strongest players and just doesnt play in tournaments anymore
I love that real *very literally* recognized real
It is odd PP left after 1 game. He usually always b03 randoms.
pp knew it was ibdw and left asap
High level melee is extremely tiring
I imagine he realized the APM that top #3 in the world plays at and was looking for smthn more casual
@@irongiant5951 you're right. PP was in the middle of doing educational commentary games when he ran into Cody.
6:20 ken combo so clean
So cool. This reminds me of them old RPG series when they add an optional cameo boss into the newest entry, like the Kratos fight in Tales of Vesperia.
3:40
NO JOHNS
Cody is so cringe man
3:39 "I'M TALKIN HERE!"
cody becoming more and more unlikable
I was the person at the start asking about sub benefits, this was crazy to watch live lol
Wtf is this music Cody?
you mean the song that played at the start? cause that's this: The Toxic Avenger - My Only Chance
anyone got the song from beginning of the FD game?
@@NicholasSunderland Hades soundtrack, dunno song name
@@andrewavanian2112 thanks
Game 1 said everything
IBDW is actually an incredible coach.
god when marth kills I go "eww" and when fox kills I go "EWWWWW"
he's SO DISGUSTING
I FUCKING MISS GUNZ
No johns
Maggie got swaggie. Mikey got Tikey. Ppmd will rick roll me?
quite cringe
Your comment is cringe
Human society is cringe
PPMD returns at Genesis
what was the major he was trying to go to with the sub goal?
3:32 what an ego. On a technical level, melee has reached incredible heights but some of the new players are incredibly annoying to listen to and watch.
Make Melee PPMD Again
Wow, ibdw is arrogant
7:41 same bro
Did Cody play GunZ?????
Anyone know the name of the first song?
You can see why "Marthritis" was a common term back then. Punish game was not optimized and so many dropped edge guards.
Still more fun to watch then Kodorin's Marth though. I don't know what it is but it just looks weird watching him play Marth.
This guy is so lame, love when he loses
Whoever you are, stop spamming on my channel. Get a life already. Thanks. :)
Make Melee PPMD Again