We Were Wrong About Kirk Franklin
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- Опубліковано 29 жов 2024
- Kirk Franklin opens up about how his intense work ethic is fueled by a deep-seated fear of being forgotten, rooted in his insecurities and past experiences. The discussion explores how many artists use their insecurities and past criticisms as motivation for success, while highlighting Franklin's ongoing emotional and spiritual struggles, particularly stemming from his childhood and relationship with his mother. The conversation emphasizes the importance of spiritual growth and healing, questioning how long one should let insecurities dictate their life. Concerns are also raised about the impact of these unresolved issues on Franklin's music, suggesting that his recent work may lack the emotional and spiritual depth of his earlier albums.
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While it is refreshing to see Kirk admitting that he is operating in and motivated by the flesh, he should take a break from things, repent, and put the focus back on God and God alone. God does not share his glory with anyone. We earn God’s displeasure and rebuke when the focus is more about us than God. It is better not to minister, sing, preach, serve, give, and so on if we do it out of selfish motives. God does not need us, we need him.
He's trying to please people,, instead of knowing who he truly is in God ,,
Amen
You didn't watch the entire interview with Tim Ross clearly
@@gotfocus100 Interesting comment
@@Lowpressure29 My comment or this one?
Now that he's exposed this imperfection our job as brothers and sisters is to pray for him🤷🏽 we don't know that he isn't praying for deliverance, we also don't know his and Christ's relationship...we do know that he is gifted and being used to spread the gospel, to some extent. God can and will use who and what he chooses imperfections and all 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽💙
Pray for Kirk. Healing is possible
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The artist and message is two different things the accolades and his work this is about the artist but his message is him amplifying God. I think that is missed in the discussion as you want to focus too much on your perception of Kirk. He has been trying to heal and showing people his journey.
@@RuslanKD With God all things are possible, but he will not force himself on anyone. One must be willing and obedient.
Kirk Franklin is being completely open and honest about what has driven him; while many artists and greatly lifted persons are driven in the same way and are unaware.
We are not artist first, but disciples of Jesus first. We should not let any other ambition, a motivator trump the cross.
My heart goes out to Kirk, because I don't think he's coming from a "selfish" perspective regarding his motivation. I believe he is functioning heavily from a "broken" perspective (childhood abandonment/betrayal) that has drowned out and covered what God could really be doing in his life. I truly believe that his trauma (like many of us) has led and guided him to be oblivious about the way he relates himself to others and how he sees himself. I can only thank God in advance for the revelation that this brother is going to get related to him knowing that he is "complete" IN Christ and that his only motivation is to give God glory by using the gifts that he has been blessed with so that Jesus won't be forgotten!🙌🙌🙏🙏🙏💙
His father forgot about him… its a childhood wound thats not healed yet. Thats the thorn
I hate that anytime someone doesn't give the perfect "Christian" answer, their relationship with God is questioned. I can be close to God and still be human. Just because he is a broken vessel (as we all are) doesn't mean he should toss away his ministry. His response was honest and he knew it was from the wrong place and drive. We all know he is constantly trying to earn back the approval and acceptance and love he didn't get from the biological mom. AT FIFTY. That doesn't mean he doesn't die himself to the cross daily. Ugggh! He is on a journey like most of us. He's just more visible and outwardly honest than most of us.
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@@LadybeetleMaddox what did they say that didn’t align with this. He is a worldly known artist and has a ministry and there has to be accountability. It’s the same for them on their own platfrom
2:25 That part, amen don’t make excuses for lukewarm behavior.
Romans 12:2
“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God”
Amen!
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It’s what Jesus said about the Pharisees.
John 12:43
“for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.”
One of the things I can appreciate about listening to you guys is the level of maturity on display. Not a bunch of foolishness but mature realistic dialogue. Kudos. Just subscribed!
On Kirk. Based on what I've seen over the years, Kirk's decline has been due to his pandering to the world and the flesh. Pandering to the LGBTQ community, fleshly concerts etc and just plain compromise like so many other artists. Bringing secular artists in to boost the branding of yourself in the world's spotlight along with the other stuff has absolutely nothing to do with the kingdom of God! We're to be set apart not blending in. Put the love of Christ on display in the world's arena to those that are lost but don't join them for the sake of remaining relevant. It's God through Christ who gives us our relevance and belonging in him. It's ok to be forgotten by the world when the one who matters will never forget us!! If we belong to him, our names have been written in the lamb's book of life...for eternity!!! #NEVERFORGOTTEN
I wish yall had played more of the conversation.
I appreciate his honestly. It’s in our weakness that God’s strength is made perfect.
It's good that he's honest about it. We ain't perfect and pretending that we are is bad. Hopefully he's working on it because even when he described it, it didn't sound like something he was proud of
“So he’s lost his mission…?” Wow…seemed to pretty much sum it up. Nice conversation though.
Sometimes, the gap between our pain and our posture IS our praise! So let God, who is infinitely able work on a man who is obviously not. God's got Kirk.
Not sure if any of you know his story Kirk Franklin was adopted by 64-year-old lady. It’s the age of four years old every interview that goes deep and some deep questions. He always said he had no family. He wanted friends he wanted Cuz he wanted he has none of them Says constantly dealing with that little boy who was alone and had nobody. So I hope this helps with clarification when you feel abandoned and he said he couldn’t do anything used to collect can to pay for his piano lessons so it goes very deep.
I feel leas upset with Kirk based on that response. That explains why he sometimes says and does things that I don’t agree with.
What Kirk Franklin needs is a true breakthrough and a Deliverance from his past hurts. Just like the Bible says forgetting the things that are behind and reaching for the things that are before I press towards the mark of the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Kurt just got to press in and push through just like the woman with the issue of blood and receive his healing by touching the helm of Jesus garment. I'm continually praying for him 🙏🏾
I am praying for my brother to come back to the reason why we sing. ❤
The first step to healing is forgiveness. He has to forgive his mother who was 12 years old when she was pregnant with him. She was a child and hadn’t developed her motherly instincts bc if she had she wouldn’t have left him. I am not justifying her actions but giving another perspective as to what may have occured especially through a 12 year old little girl. When I saw his mother on the documentary I still see that 12 year old little girl. Kirk has to forgive her bc Jesus Christ has forgiven him. He needs to restore the relationship with his oldest son or it will continue the generational cycle.
Everything we do as a believer we should do it unto the Lord. He been walking with the Lord for too long for him to be making statements like that. We are making excuses but when we stand before God we are gonna be without excuses.
I understood him! People of God, pastors, etc., pray for him! He needs you now more than ever! He truly needs our prayers, cause he really is a gift from God! And Kirk may not be sharing the deeper scars way down in his soul! The fake gospel world praises Kirk for his musical work. He needs REAL brotherly soul revitalization, from true positive men of Christ!
The question is, is he doing it to please man or to please God?
Exactly. I think it has been about Kirk for a while.
That's the whole point of the matter! Being in the industry, it's about yourself but a Christian, you are supposed to be about pleasing God
You should have included the question that was asked in order to provide context .
I don’t even know why you’re wasting time having a conversation about this . This man clearly told you he’s wrapped up in it. It’s not about God it’s about him.
My comment isn't about Kirk Franklin but just thinking about trauma in general. I do believe God is shifting things as far as how trauma is handled within church community. In this generation l see people within the church being more honest about how trauma is still impacting their lives and that's extremely encouraging because the more safe spaces that are created the less likely people who want to overcome trauma will feel like they have to fight the battle with trauma in isolation. With that said l understand what the panel is saying about our accountability in the process and how God does want us to get to a place where we are no longer operating from our wounds. I just believe it is so important to have accountability with compassion too because people who battle trauma can feel they are the trauma they have struggled with for so long until met with compassion that causes them to know that is not their true identity. I believe there is hope for people who don't want to live out of trauma and that hope of course is Jesus and l believe He works through His community of believers to help bring healing and deliverance too. Which is another reason why becoming our most whole selves is essential to being able to minister to those who we will meet along the way who will be transparent in saying l am still being impacted by wounds.
I thought this was about bringing people to JESUS! Just saying 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
Crazy....he about Kirk Franklin
They are absolutely right. Kirk Franklin needs healing. That should not be his driving force, healing is necessary so Jesus Christ can stand up in you as it not about Kirk Franklin but Jesus in Kirk Franklin. I will continue to pray for Gods people. 🙏🏽
I appreciate the pontification on Kirk's statements. God uses our brokenness. Paul shows us that we can have brokenness AKA thorn in the flesh and still be successful in ministry. The question becomes is our brokenness maladaptive. It does not sound like his is maladaptive. It sounds like God uses it to keep Kirk at his feet
Go listen to the whole conversation before you make judgments. The question is, can we be vulnerable, broken, and real about where we are in our sanctification process? Does the church have an allowance for that? We all have places where we are not whole. It just looks different for all of us. He is just under a microscope, and people are able to gain attention, opportunities, and money from the interest that he draws. Whether it's good, bad, or ugly. We can see and point out things in others with platforms. Yet we don't air out our unclean thoughts, intentions, and selfish motives.
Cover the brother because if you have never been through the trauma he has been through. Or been in the spotlight like he has. We don't fully understand what he deals with internally. I can say that I don't agree with some things he has said in interviews or have done. But I can respect honesty, vulnerable, and authenticity. Over the fake self, righteous, prideful, haughty, and struggling but act like you not spirit. I love and have grace for both.
He wears women's clothes and that secular stuff that he does shows and tells us exactly who he is.
What about Jesus and Him being remembered? We live our lives for Him, not for ourselves. If we're singing and preaching for us to be remembered then we're in error. God is the only God that makes a man's name great. Not we ourselves. What about the souls that need salvation? When we are wounded and refuse to get healing, how can we deliver healing to the people? A broken man cant fixed anyone. So the music is coming from a broken place that carries the spirits that brings bondage to a man. No matter how good it sounds, where is the anounting that destroys the yolk off the people? May God be with him and he experience true healing and deliverance. Grace and peace.
I’d love to see the Trackstarz panel be vulnerable during these chats. I get it - doing hot takes is one thing. But sometimes the churchy virtue signaling starts to get in the way when I’m watching this platform. How do you all resolve the call to be more like Christ with the insecurities you might battle against when creating relevant content? Would love to get more reflections in addition to your reactions. Bless.
I wish we had more compassion for people who are clearly struggling. Kirk has had a LOT of trauma in his life and addressing that isn’t easy. Yes, he has to surrender to God, but why can’t we pray and trust that God is working in his life. He shared a tiny window into his life and everyone has a comment. No one has a prayer. Now picture the broken unbeliever reading these comments. We are all ambassadors. Let’s not misrepresent His Kingdom. He is God alone.
One thing i struggle with is people thinking they have wisdom with things they have never gone through. Not really criticizing these people because they arent addressing him directly and i believe this discourse is necessary in a broader sense. I've been in situations were people tried to advise me who has never experienced or been where i been. Not saying the directions are wrong, but have grace to know it may take me longer based on my starting point. I dont use this rubric for myself because i consider it a cop out to avoid healing, but i do extend grace towards others going through things that i cant imagine. I pray that God continue to use kirk and he receives the healing he needs.
I'm glad and really hopeful that 'K.F.'is serious about his 'imperfections and insecurities! But I believe he should 'sit down and rest a little while'.He needs 'time with the Lord',and biblical counseling.First he needs to surround himself with 'biblical mentors,and not worldliness. Apostle Paul tells us as we grow,we should be having pure steak of the Word,not 'baby formula anymore!( my change of words)! I pray that K.Frank'work out his salvation with fear and trembling! Blessings
Praying for Kirk's complete healing and deliverance ❤🫶🏿
Pray for Him!
I think we have to get into the presence of God more it is not about us it’s about Him.
This is what it looks like when you comment on an interview you haven’t seen the full interview. I think you should just pray for his process to fully heal. And let that be that
The thought that came to my heart is that’s why God created the Day of rest and everyone trying to teach preach etc should observe the rest
Many people operate out of their brokenness. Didn't David? Is everyone to sit down until they are totally healed?
I’m sorry But I could not have been in that room without saying anything if you saying that would drives you is to never be forgotten. I am not God you are not God so we will always be forgotten, but praise God that God offers to remember us like he did on the cross. He is the only one I want to be remembered by. And be remembered on that day. All those trophies won’t stand after the fire thrown on it. But I pray right now that Kirk Franklin experiences the fear of God. The fear of the judgment seat of Christ. Amen.
I would like to see the rest of the conversation
If you really listen to the lyrics of his music. It's that thorn. Paul had a thorn l, maybe this is his thorn. I also believe this last family dynamic, where he found out his actual father is alive and it wasn't the one he thought. That wound came back, and his mother denied even after 2 DNA tests. That I believe has been Kirk's thorn and it's hard for him. This last album, Father's Day, says a lot. Take the time to listen to it
We need to stop justifying and making things seem better than they are. God has allowed us twin see and hear the truth. Although we do not know what is going on between them we can not justify situations that are red flags PERIOD!!!!
That’s a red flag. God expects us to be humble but not so seeking of fame due to our fears of being forgotten.
I think at times we make judgements on people base on a statement and or season with the restriction of vision and the cloudiness of our lens that can only lead to a bad or incomplete judgement. Our weakness in wanting to understand and or label a thing or person is prison by that limitation...Wanting to understand another person when we really don't understand our self or even know ourself. The bible says we don't know our own heart so we sure don't know another's heart. "Who can understand the human heart? There is nothing else so deceitful; it is too sick to be healed. I, the LORD, search the minds and test the hearts of people. I treat each of them according to the way they live, according to what they do. WE as a people really need to get into the word and accept our limitations and let GOD be GOD!!! Understand you may have a perspective, an opinion, and possibly discernment but a conclusion...Oh no stay away from that.
It's completely crazy to me how Christians judge Christians we expect each other to be healed. If we show our scars we are judged and ridiculed yet we are all going through. no one is perfect no one is safe from their own inequities. The fact that he is speaking about his shortcomings and trauma means that he has clarity about himself and has done the work or doing the work.
That's why he was supposed to let God heal him sometimes we want when we want before our time we don't want to wait on God and so we step out in the flesh because we have a gift and a talent and then don't let the Holy Spirit use us properly because we have not healed and been closer and completely attached to God we're not perfect but if we stay tapped in the garden are healed we will walk as if we are pretty much God will shine through us that's why I said let your life so shy because you can sing that ain't shining it's shining for Jesus Christ he's messed up he just needs prayer keep praying for him for him to get back on track cuz he have derail, 🎯🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
THE BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT WORKING ON A RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST IS THAT GOD WILL TURN YOUR MESS INTO HIS MASTERPIECE!!! JUST TRUST HIM!!! ALL GLORY IS GOD'S!!! PEACE!!!💜✌🏾🙏🏾
This is a perfect picture of David. David was old and on his deathbed telling Solomon to kill a man who hurt him. Do you think he had a tempter problem? David was known for wanting to kill people that rubbed him the wrong way. So Kirk still having his issues is quite normal.
I must decrease, so Jesus Christ is increased within me! Lord, let me live and serve you and others from Your strength to pursue my calling, not my deficiencies or desire to be liked by people.
Why microfocus on a believer’s vulnerability. What would we rather have, honesty, or everyone being silent. It was an honest answer
Its not about you.. mic 🎤 drop
He gave detail as to where he bleeds from.
Are they that clueless or definitely could be me. He said it was his insecurities and not wanting to be forgotten that is driving him. He didnt say it was a good thing. Its an honest admission. Can they not receive and respond to that positively. Or just focus on the truth of the negativity.
EDIT. I responded before listening to the whole thing. They did bring it around.
Good question. How long do you go without wanting to be healed.
He better hope God don't forget him.
I praise God for everechance. That Kurt Franklin was blessed to be used of you and as it is written one has said, we don't know his relationship with the Lord, but 1 thing we can rest assure God is able. To restore him again so we need to pray for him and sitting around and backbiting.That's just as wrong as what you're saying.He has done pray For him that he may be restored Cause Jesus is coming and we all Better be ready..
It seems that it’s not a good idea to be honest publicly.
Honesty is a good policy only and only if it is accompanied by repentance. The goal is not to merely acknowledge our evil ways but to repent and change our ways. That is the difference between Judas and Peter.
In this day and age, any and all honesty, publicly, is fodder and content for other platforms to pick apart and/or discuss.
I actually think he put a microscope on details others experience but don’t have clarity or language for.
The darkness will always come to the light. 👊🏽💪🏾🙏🏽
That is so sad. God never wants us to feel or believe that. It just isn’t the type of people God created us to be.
Gotta watch the whole interview….
How about there isn’t a gospel artist, ministry articulated in the New Testament. And in the Old Testament, there were singers and they were all men. So at the end of the day, what are we really talking about as it relates to ministry when we talk about a gospel artist?
I agree with her 15 years is the worship not the same
We must keep in mind over the last few years something else happen in regards to his father
This is crazy. Why do we never bring scriptures to back up our I FEEL statements.
Kirk got vulnerable and yall still dont give him grace… the same grace yall need… yall on here acting like yall 💩 dont stink too.
He was abandoned (forgotten) by his parents💡
I'm sorry but we are not suppose to think like non-believers. I'm praying for him that he allows God to change his mindset. Because his actions right now are being govern by his insecurities. He has to want to change otherwise he is going to fall even more
I haven’t commented on a UA-cam clip in years. But I honestly wanna thank y’all for using such Godly wisdom regarding this matter. Y’all really hit the nail on the head regarding how we should grow and minister despite our insecurities. None of this was condemnation. But it was from a place of love, truth, Grace and accountability. God bless you all.
"I'm going to more Diddy parties than you".....Kirk is bottom
powered.
My opinion means nothing so before I say it - I want to be clear there… I just feel as if his soul wounds that are publicly expressed aren’t the real issue, though they’re an issue nonetheless - it seems as if that is the scapegoat from the hidden truth that has to do with him more than anyone else or what anyone has ever done to him.
Still a great artist regardless.
Is he really trying to change that? Seems he has settled into his current mission which is really about himself and his desire to not be forgotten.
These perfect people self righteous people 🙄
All the thinking...Just ask Kirk.
Their are a couple people talking on here that kno very little about his journey.
So take a step away and spend time alone with God so you can do the work in healing.
Pride!
I truly think he needs to step away and really get in right standing with God. He needs healing really. As much as I am not a fan of his shenanigans, it’s apparent he is still very broken. He needs to repent and focus on seeking God’s help and face. I pray he does, he’s very talented but God gets the glory alone and his gift isn’t for him. It’s for God to use him to bring soul to Him.
Be led by Christ period
Maybe that's the one thing Kirk hasn't done yet and that's REPENT, and ask for FORGIVENESS OF PAST and PRESENT SINS. His gifts that were given to him was for him to find God to be healed and minister to others who are broken. If Kirk cares more about being seen and wanting to keep up with the Jones then he will never be healed or have a spiritual relationship with God. God has blessed him much and to date if he has not had the relationship he needs to go about doing God's work is absolute crazy. By now Kirk could've been healed of his brokenness and been delivered way back then if he'd let go and let God have his way with him. He needs to humble himself in the presence of God and confessed everything that hes been holding onto. Apparently, Kirk has made his brokenness about him and doesn't truly believe that God can heal him and that Jesus already took all that to the cross upon himself the day he died on calvary. Repent Kirk and seek God to be set FREE and only in the name of Jesus.
Forgotten by whom ? God is the final judge Do anybody need clarification from man of yeah if it’s money oriented
She's right he did lose his focus his purpose it ain't about him this is where we make mistakes when it becomes about us it ain't no longer about Christ I don't care if you say his name when you doing it for yourself God ain't in it he left your heart your mind and the presence is not with you any longer you want all the glory and God says he shared his glory with no man
Hopefully, you guys watch the entire pod with Tim Ross?...Context matters guys...Please don't comment if you didn't watch...If you've seen it you will understand where he's coming from...This is shameful of you guys to have a conversation like this for youtube numbers smh
Please go watch the podcast the basement w/ Tim Ross
Easy to say when you are not in it guys
As great as a song silver and gold is, looks like Kirk has changed his perspective,dude is a legend,nobody is forgetting him,he can’t live life not being relevant as a hot celebrity. Yes has lost the mission
So being famous and relevant is his idol…huge red flag 🚩
Everyone has some kind of trauma. But can’t use that as an excuse when standing before God. Period. This show seems to make excuses for ppl where they seem fit lol.
Growth is a process. Not realistic to see, find, & acknowledge trauma and change it that same day, week, or month. All of us of faith are in a process of sanctification and that pace is set with God. However definitely have to actually hold others accountable to make sure we’re growing not just ruminating in trauma. They ended with “What are you going to do about it?” Doesn’t seem like they were making excuses but were thorough in their analysis. Peace be with you family. 🙏🏾🖤💯
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"I'm gonna kiss more babies than you"... This brother is a mess.
Why does he remind me of Kenneth Copeland, in attitude and ways. When will we stop giving folk passes? just continuously. When does our obedience to God trump man?
To be used of God That's what I was saying.
He needs Deliverance
Jesus should be the fuel of his deficiencies not himself or people. Basically he chose to compromise
He is too ‘worldly’ in my opinion
I washed the whole thing. You missed when he I can't be forgotten again... these are his insecurities and he is going to therapy
@@IAmMsKai1974 I truly hope he’s going to a Christ centered therapist who’s interested in helping him experience the benefit of healing through Christ. After all, Kirk’s (or anyone’s) true healing can only be found in Christ. Some therapist don’t really want to see a person truly healed because the person won’t need them anymore. Sadly they want the person to continue to rely on them.
I want him to EXPERIENCE the security in Christ. Therapy can give him clarity. But after that he has to ultimately allow the God he’s singing about to do the work he wants to do in his life. Jesus says that if we come to him, he will give us rest. The truth is that God WANTS Kirk to place his insecurities at Jesus feet. He will then find security in Christ and not have to find it in the praise of men. Once it no longer matters to him if he’s “forgotten “ or not, he’ll find FULL JOYlike he’s never known. And his ministry will become MORE effective
That was a weird narcissistic answer.
So in other words he'll sell his whole family to Satan just to stay known. 😢
Extremely disappointing episode. There’s only one person in the room who evaluated this properly. And the fact that you all didn’t all watch the entire interview, but you’re going to have comments about it, it makes me question your feedback on future videos. I’m not gonna unfollowed because I do think that there’s wisdom there but you all miss the mark as a collective on this one because the man was being vulnerable and you took that vulnerability of of an image bearer and you commented on it out of context. You should check yourselves.😢