Best Vanilla to date after 30 years 4.5 gallon update.
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- This was a great set up to try total circulation method of extracting Vanilla. This is the first test before investing with little better set up.
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I would be interested in your total circulation setup that you are planning on putting together, i.e. food-grade pump and SS container. Total game changer and so exciting! Thanks for sharing the process! So exciting!
Make sure to subscribe and hit the notification bell so you get the latest updates when I put them out. Yeah I am excited for this new system coming out.
@@ClementFamilyFarms Hi. When is the next video on the system? I keep checking back.
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This is incredible for the small batcher…
Thank you, THANK YOU!
I just love your detailed passion for a quality product.
Is a bake off & taste test coming in the future?
*Different beans - same spirit
*Taste test on baked goods vs non baked goods
Oh the possibilities…
Yes we are in the process of a blind taste testing with 10 different types of vanilla beans and will include some baking comparison.
You are incredible! Thank you so much for sharing what you learn. 😊
Awww thank you!
Hi Clement ! At my place, Captain Morgan is Rhum. NOT vodka and we don't have "Coconut vodka" but "Spicy rhum" and it cost $26.75 CAD / 750ml (±$20 US / 750ml) and this is the LEAST expensive one (out of stock though). How much do you pay for your Captain Morgan and for how many ml (liter) please ? Wonder why its vodka at your place and rhum at mine ?
I would prefer to do it with rhum though. And spicy rhum would be better IMHO. And I have the choice to use the dark rhum also but... we won't have control over the extract color though but, heck, with a TDS meter, no need for color control do we !?
Would you suggest a particular tds meter? I’m seeing 3in1 and 7in1 meters on Amazon. My 2nd question is after pressing I would assume most oils that was left in the beans are now pressed thru so would you still make vanilla sugar o even powder from it or would the flavors be gone since you pressed it? Thank you for all the information, I have learned a lot from your videos.
the 3 in 1 is what I use for TDS meter.
I do use the spent beans in sugar.
@@ClementFamilyFarms thank you for the quick reply
@@ClementFamilyFarms also thanks cause I just purchased the 3 in 1 off Amazon and looks very similar to the one you use.
What is what is the pump system that you use on a jar like that? can you use that same pump system on a 1 gallon carboy?
Oxygenation or purification as a stream of water going down the river.
I’m interested
WOW!!!!!!! Shane you are so awesome. I am grateful that you are willing to share all of you hard won knowledge. I made several gallons of vanilla along with you a while ago. I am very excited to make one of your mixers when you show us. I am also shocked that anyone would hate on you for your methods. Your poor finger, seems they are sometimes in the way but hopefully it is better. GOD bless you and yours.
I have been waiting for this one to come out ever since I saw the first part. I can’t thank you enough because along with this major break through, you have answered a major question I had about my own extracts, ie the cloudiness. thanks for talking about that while showing your extracts. I’m really happy for you that this worked and will be a great asset for time for you. Also big thanks for willing to try to scale down this for the smaller extracters like myself. I just finished aging my first 1 year batch and your vids helped a lot along the way. Happy Holliday season to you and your family.🙂
Thank you for the kind words I do appreciate it. The new unit will solve some issues from small scale to being able to expand. But being a sanitary food safe product and having that label kinda comes with a price. But will be worth it with the versatility it has and being able to start off small and scaling up later.
I make a gallon at a time for personal use so I will be looking forward to your scaled down version. Thank you for your efforts.
This is a game changer for me and my clients being able to produce vanilla extract in a little as 20-30 days. The small batch system will also allow to try different vanilla beans with out breaking the bank also.
I am starting a thousands of Vanilla Plantation, your videos have been very helpful for me with my future plans for my harvest.
Very exciting episode! Can’t wait to see the new prototype.
Really great 👍🏼 information. Thanks 😊❤👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
You are so welcome!
Are these food grade pumps? I went to your link and it is unclear. I worry most about the plastics involved. Thank you for posting your discoveries. I'm sure you have helped many people with your findings.
This was prototype to test the theory behind the method. When testing theories and processes there is a difference in pricing Non food grade labels $100 now add Food grade labels $600. The pump used had all the same properties as the food grade plastics with out the labeling. Now that the theory has been tested I am working on a complete system that is Food Grade safe. Even though all the parts I will be listing for the new system will be food grade everyone should do their own research on the equipment to see if they want to use it or not. Some people don't like pvc over silicone or plastic over stainless steel all may be food grade but they might have a personal preference or might not want to pay for stainless steel. There are so many choices it is hard to determine what is right for everyone. I just recommend for everyone to really check the equipment they want to use.
Do you have affiliate links for yhe syphoning bottling pump? Or the food press?
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There are a few different sizes but this is the one I have.
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Congratulations ❣️ I just got done slicing 5 oz of beans per your instructions & they’re soaking in a quart of vodka. Thanks for taking the time🤗
That is great.
Checking back in to let you know I’m patiently waiting for the update vid. 😉 HNY! 🎉
I would just like to know what platform you used to raise the vanilla beans. I loved the videos and binge-watched the entire series, I'm new to making vanilla and plan on selling it. Thank you for sharing this process!
I don't understand the platform part of your question. I don't grow vanilla beans as they are tropical grown only.
@ClementFamilyFarms, you said there were dead spots on the bottom of the barrel and raised it so they can get proper circulation. I can understand how the wording was confusing. I just wanted to know what you used to fix the problem
I use a plastic lid off of a 3 gallon ice cream tub. I cut a hole in it for the tube and slid it over to the top of the pump. I did take everything out and used some pint jars sealed at the bottom to hold the weight. Once the lid rested on the jars I put the vanilla beans and alcohol back in. This made a big difference in flow and not having any dead spots. It kept the vanilla above the pump. I also drilled a few holes in the lid.
Thank you for your texting. I also appreciate that you are keeping things food grade and safe. I will be definitely interested about which pump to use.
It is hard to do proof of concept with food grade equipment as it cost so much. I am not sponsored by anybody so everything comes out of my pocket to do all these test. Once I to the testing I think about the next step and how I can keep this budget friendly for everyone. Plus I work on a tight budget also.
The new prototype set up will be all food grade equipment. I should have the details out by mid Jan 2024.
Good info! 👍 I like this idea, but do you think it would it be possible to simply use an air bubbler instead of a pump? Seems if the bubbler/bubblers were below a screen that held the beans all the bubbles coming up through them would be enough agitation rather than having to worry about heat buildup or clogging/failure of a pump. I am going to try such myself and see how it goes.....
Yeah the air bubbler idea is a good one but unfortunately there are some issues with it. You need to keep a closed loop on the air supply if not your going to lose to much in evaporation.
@@ClementFamilyFarms yes, agreed!
This is AMAZING ❤😍❤ you do so much research for us! THANK YOU! For your generousosity in sharing🎉
You are so welcome!
Another idea is to use a motorized paddle stirrer mounted on top of the container. Nice slow constant stirring might work really well too without anything but a stainless-steel paddle submerged in the extract....
I have been trying to figure this one out that will work on the small scale tanks but also has a sealed entry point. Larger scaled commercial tanks has systems that work. But scaling down and finding something that works and has all the seals is tough. My new system I don't have to worry about keeping the beans moving as it forces the fluid through the beans many time per hour.
@@ClementFamilyFarms 👍
Anxious to see the updated prototype, followed your directions previously and made for gifts. It turned out great! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Yeah I cant wait to revile the prototype I am really excited for this one.
and now we are going to see how we can adopt this into our business of Bourbon Finishing! Thanks for this great content and information, Hope you have a Merry Christmas!
Yes wait until you see my new chamber set up. It would be perfect for aerating and adding flavors to your liquor. I was surprised on how smooth it made the alcohol and how it mellowed out. With my chamber system you can add what ever you wanted like oak blocks or chips and circulate through it until desired flavor you wanted. I hope to get the rest of my parts this week and get a video out with in a week or two.
What do you need to vacuum seal the smaller jar?
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LMAO! I now feel like such an amateur. Granted, I'm a cook who has many things to do to be as from-scratch as possible but I just threw a mix of 34 vanilla beans in a quart of Maker's Mark (some split, some whole) two years ago ... and took pride in that? I can't even see the beans in the jug and, yes, I shook it often but this is serious vanilla science!
I believe your method is better.
@@anasazirose Easier, definitely, but I don't know about "better." 2+ years later and it still just smells like alcohol to me. To be fair, though, all extracts smell like alcohol to me.
I'd like to see a half gallon size set up...
Yeah I have a video out now with new 1/2 to 1 gallon sized unit. Go check it out.
Am in uganda l have my good vaniira,were can l find you.
Extraordinary information for all of us. Appreciate the work and contagious excitement, as always.
Thanks you!
Wow! I would definitely be interested in purchasing your system when you get it developed and hope it is affordable. I have a closet filled with 5 half gallons bottles using your original recipe. The extract smells and tastes so delicious! I am interested in improving my vanilla. In Arizona, extracts cannot be sold so family and friends are enjoying what I have made. Happy New Year, Shane!
I don't have to sell to the public because I sell out between my friends and family. Get them hooked on it and you will not have a problem.
Thanks!
Very cool! Thanks for leading the way Shane!
Very impressive and quite thorough. Thank you sir! Merry Christmas.
Happy holidays to you too and thank you.
Very cool, I've been waiting to see the outcome.
Have you ever tried using the sous vide method of making vanilla extract?
Several people have tried the sous vide method and the out come is the same. The heat only pulls out a little bit of color and flavoring and it still needs some more time or other mechanism to achieve maximum flavor. You will get faster results just buy splitting your beans and shaking the jars.
Great video Shane, thank you for all your work and sharing!
Thank you!
Very interesting. I just started a batch of 2x fold with Madagascar and CM coconut Rum for personal use. Do you need a special license to sell the extract at a farmers market?
Yes you still have to have a business licensing and for small home based business cottage licensing. But you have to check with your state and county were you live in to see if it is allowed. Every state and county is different.
I’m so impressed! Do you use the glass carboy jug or the plastic? I’m thinking about doing this also. Thanks for this video! My family is so happy with their vanilla extract that I made for them! They don’t want to do it themselves so I’ll keep on. I have two nieces and then their two girls. They are spoiled but who cares! I enjoy it. And I love the recipe and proper amounts you gave. Thanks! Hope your finger is healed.
I use the plastic because it is lighter. But have you seen the latest video with the vanilla still I made? This by far is the best extraction method I have ever done. I am rotating vanilla out of the still every 20 to 30 days.
I am brand new to this hobby and you are by far the best UA-camr I’ve watched. Really looking forward to your small batch contraption. I think it will allow me to try new recipes faster. Very exciting!
Thank you for all of the work you’ve put in and you sharing with all of us.
Aww thank you. New videos coming soon.
The big companies use this method. That is precisely why making it at home gives a superior product. After the quick at home vanilla ages, it becomes as inferior as the store bought.
That is simply not true. It has everything to do with the recipe, alcohol and the understanding of the chemical properties of aging that makes a good extract. When I do my testing I use a panel of testers in a blind taste testing. This is how I find out what works and what does not work. I would encourage you to do some of your own testing. I agree making extract from home is far superior then store bought because we can control our ratios and recipes. Why do you dislike this method if it works and creates a good extract?
I'm curious why you would only do 72 oz of beans to 4.5 gallons of rum. My understanding is the formula is 9oz to about 1/2 gallon. Which would be 81 oz of beans for 4 and 1/2 gallons. What am I missing??
Yeah my calculations were off a little bit in the video and description. I had a one track mind and 72 was stuck in my head. When I first started the project I was at 72 oz then when I put everything together I had the extra room for the 81oz and added them. But my brain was stuck on 72. I did notice it a couple of weeks after I posted and wondered if any one would catch it. lol
@@ClementFamilyFarms I ended up, with my husband's help, fabricating a pump and circulator made of copper. Then we switched from a bubbler to a food grade 8 gallon fermenter bucket. So much easier to deal with than the small-wide mouth bubbler. It is bubbling away. I am so excited. And I'm going to do another one too. Thank you for the inspiration.
Congrats on the new process! I knew you’d crack it and silence all those know-it-alls in the vanilla groups on FB. 👍🏻
Yes! Thank you!
I have made a small scale of this and I’m a little concerned that the pump is heating up the alcohol. Did this happen with yours? Also what do you think about a tumbler? Sort of like a rock polisher. Something that has a drum that spins around with the beans and alcohol in it?
Yes the friction from the pump will add some heat. Just keep an eye on it and make sure it doesn't get to hot. Mine only reached about 85 on one of the hottest days we had. If it starts reaching around 90 degrees in the extract then I would start trying to cool it down.
I would really be interested in a smaller version of the aerator, unless my baking business kicks off.
You should check out my newer circulation system video. It works much better and is all food grade equipment. I am turning out 1 gallon of finished extract in 8 weeks. I am doing a updated video soon showing my current process were I rotate out vanilla every 20-25 days.
@@ClementFamilyFarms I most definitely will. I am very interested in it. I wonder if it will work with other ingredients for extracts?
Can I ask you if the vanilla extract you make with coconut rum if the coconut flavor come out when making a dessert that you don't want the coconut flavor to come out in?
No there is no coconut that comes out when you have a finished extract. The vanilla over powers it and the coconut adds a little sweetness enhancing the flavors.
@@ClementFamilyFarms sounds good thanks
I am very interested in the smaller 0.5-1 gallon set-up. Please let us know when it is available!
Email me and I can send you a design and parts link you can start out with.
@@ClementFamilyFarmscould you please send me the design and items needed
I would be interested in if/how much the proof changes with the constant agitation as opposed to a sealed jar being shaken.
So I know the proofs drops down to around half of what you started with. Like 70 proof with a 1.5 ratio of vanilla beans will drop down to 30 proof as finished extract. That even drops more with a double fold and triple fold. It is dilution ratio more then a process effect on the alcohol. Might be a good test in the future but I don't think the process will effect the ABV. With the aeration and movement it does effect the molecules and is much smoother and palatable.
I'm interested in the prototype as well..I just bought everything you have in your current setup, and now just waiting for the beans. I'm having a hard time finding a True Electric Mason Jar Vacuum Sealer, besides the bigger all in one unit. I have one, but it doesn't have the Mason Jar Vacuum part. Most are USB chargeable. I'm a True Newbie, but diving in head first 😁 Thanks for any advice 😍
I tried to post a question suggesting that I would like to get into the retailing of vanilla extract and what would be It's appraisal on today's market and apparently the algorithm gods thought I was asking a more nefarious question because they immediately blocked and removed my comment.. freaking crazy...
To be honest vanilla is not a easy sale and not a commodity that is used all the time unless your a heavy baker. So the customer base is small. If your looking for a profit margin on your vanilla it really depends on if you shop sales and bulk. Then there is marketing and what sets your vanilla apart from all the others on the market. All this will keep your profit margins up. When I figure my pricing and profits it is all based off of retail pricing of my supplies. I cant always buy my supplies on sale. Here is a example of how I get my pricing based on retail supplies.
1. 1 oz of vanilla beans $10
2. 8 oz of 70 proof alcohol $5
3. 8 oz bottle $1.25
4. label $1
5. Bottle seal $0.75
Total of $18 to make one 8 oz bottle of vanilla extract.
We take that $18 and double it to $36 sale price.
This gives you a $18 profit.
Now if you find your supplies on sale or buy bulk this will increase your profits.
I am able to buy bulk all the time so I am able to lower my pricing a little bit for my clients.
The best way to sell your vanilla is build a brand and make sure your bottles are different from all the rest on the market. My clients buy bottles just to display in their kitchens. So this means they have to buy 2 bottles one for display and one to use.
@@ClementFamilyFarms words can't express my gratitude for your well written response! Thank you very much! You've opened my eyes to this hobby. It's something I've been thinking about for a few years now. Yesterday I finally made a commitment and purchased 10 Madagascar beans from Amazon. I also took a look at your invention And I think I would love to duplicate it. I'm not a welder so I'll probably have to use wood for the base. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with the community. Your videos remind me of the early days of the internet when people actually cared about sharing information instead of monetary gains. Keep up the fantastic work and again thank you for the information!
@@ClementFamilyFarms I'm assuming username at g mail would be your contact?
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Use the links in my description and use the coupon code. I never buy vanilla beans by the count only by the ounce. It only benefits the companies selling it by the count. You pay less and get more purchasing by the ounce.
I've been using a tds meter just for my own fun. Should I shake the half gallon jar before I take the reading? This was a wonderful informative video! Thank you so much!
Before I took any of my readings on my jars I shook them and then let them sit for 5 to 10 min before taking reading. This allowed the fluid to remix and then calm down. I did the same routine every time so it was consistent with the method and data.
I figured that would be your answer. Thanks!! I left a short while too.
After watching many hours of your videos you got me thinking about trying whipped vodka to make my next batch of vanilla, your thoughts!
What is tds ?
Oh wow 😮! I just made my very first Vanilla extract !! Now your changing the game 😢
Very impressive. How do you empty those things without getting vanilla everywhere? Would I need to get back to the gym? Or was it a group effort?
This is very exciting!!!
So cool! Thank you for your knowledge and sharing!
My pleasure!
So you're basically waiting for it to hit peak and then come off peak?
Cool video!
What are you getting at price point for resale, per ounce? Curious with the amount you’re producing?
For me personally I don't make profit from my vanilla to much invested in testing. But for reference 12 oz bottle around $55 and 5 oz $25.
Have you considered using a magnetic stirrer for a smaller setup? Do you think just keeping the liquid moving is enough or do you think you need arriation caused by the aquarium pump?
Magnetic stirrers don't work that well with the vanilla beans. Stirring helps but getting the fluid moving more around the beans is the ticket for sure.
Does the alcohol mellow out with aging?
What is a press? Link?
Where did you buy your bottling wand from
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I'm so excited about your results. Fantastic and thank you so much for these teachings. I've already purchased the big mouth plastic jars, pumps, and bags. I'm all in! Now, really looking forward to your 'bigger' processing. Things I'd like clarified ( I will watch this video again to see if I get it): 1) What the set up is for the pump and the platform to reduce the dead spots. 2) More info on TDS meter . Does this replace using vials to look at the color of the extract. It's Christmas morn and I'm watching your video and baking apple cobbler to share later with my family. Hope you and your family have a blessed Christmas season!
Oh that is awesome!
So the plat form I used was just a plastic lid off a 3 gallon ice cream container that I drilled some holes in. Then I used a few pint jars set up on the bottom and put the pump in the middle and slid the plastic lid over the top of the pump. once that was done I put the vanilla beans on top of the plastic lid. This held the vanilla above the the pump.
The TDS meter most definitely replaces the test tube. The TDS meter will give you absolute results and much faster. With the TDS readings it is as simple as taking a reading daily or every couple of days. All your looking for is the numbers to peak out and level out. Example TDS is read in PPM day one 325ppm, day 10 - 685ppm, day 15 - 725ppm, day 20- 720ppm, day 25 - 726 ppm. The ppm will bounce around a few ppm's from day to day. I will be making a video soon on how to take TDS readings.
@@ClementFamilyFarms Thank you so much for the clarification.
Can you post pictures of the set up? Thanks@@ClementFamilyFarms
@@ClementFamilyFarms I'm trying to set this up and I think I'm missing something in your setup. Are you still using a diversion plate and tube from the pump? I purchased all the things you linked in your video, set it up and the booze is just not churning the beans. 😞
Very cool
Would the submersible pump and filter bag leach chemicals in to the alcohol?
They were both made for being fish aquarium safe. Fish cant tolerate any chemicals. This was just a test proof of concept. When I looked into these items to use I saw no red flags why I couldn't use them.