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  • Опубліковано 24 гру 2024

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  • @scramsby
    @scramsby 2 роки тому +20

    Really appreciate this calibration test. With a couple of prints I was able to go from ~0.43% XY error and ~0.23° skew to ~0.04% XY error and 0.06° skew. Trickiest thing is getting your calipers squared up with the part when taking measurements. Wonder if as another suggested having notches for this would help.

    • @shigeokageyama0
      @shigeokageyama0 8 місяців тому

      Hello! He actually updated the flower to make measuring with the calipers easier

  • @MartinStephenson1
    @MartinStephenson1 2 роки тому +2

    A possible enhancement to the flower would be notches the width of the calipers jaw along the measuring edges. This would help to measure squarely as the jaws would sit in the notches I think ?

  • @tvathome562
    @tvathome562 2 роки тому +16

    Very clever approach, I think this is first skew and multipoint single print calibration I've actually had faith in.

  • @scottcook6844
    @scottcook6844 2 роки тому +2

    Using the filament shrinkage setting in superslicer with a very small value, eg 99.965% results in lots of overextrusion and print looking crappy. Ultimately after hours of work to arrive at the desired adjustment value, the recommended strategy does not work. Tried with the current stable release and nightly build, same results. If perhaps I could access the source files in the protected spreadsheet, I could calculate an XY compensation factor, which requires an absolute value rather than a percentage. Recommendation: if you are going to protect the sheet, provide the values we need to plug into the slicer too for both SS shrinkage and XY compensation factor.

  • @kevfquinn
    @kevfquinn 2 роки тому +11

    Great stuff - I've always been dissatisfied with the so-called calibration cubes, and instead printed much larger strips etc - but haven't been measuring internal dimensions (obvious as soon as you said it that's needed!), and just never thought to check skew, wasn't aware it was something that could be accounted for in the firmware! A new dawn of dimensionally accurate prints awaits!

  • @WilkoVehreke
    @WilkoVehreke 2 роки тому +19

    My first reaction was: Interesting method, I'll try it for sure. Clicked the link, payed content. That's a bummer. Checking the site: No proper imprint, no way to switch off cookies, but a director position. Wondering if this is legal at all but for sure there is no way that I'll enter my credit card information on such site.

    • @MrBlackFiction
      @MrBlackFiction 2 роки тому +3

      UK is no longer part of the EU, so i don´t exactly know how GDPR affects him, but afaik he should have at least a Cookie Banner and an Impressum and a Data Policy to even have his site available in the EU.

    • @WilkoVehreke
      @WilkoVehreke 2 роки тому +3

      @@MrBlackFiction I don't know the legals either but it doesn't build up trust in the site like it is now. I know that Paypal, apple pay, google pay etc do cost money, but it feels less scatchy for the customer / me.

    • @testboga5991
      @testboga5991 10 місяців тому +3

      5 Euro for this invention and an Excel file. Come on. That's ridiculous. I absolutely despise this grifting taking root in the 3D printing community. There would be no Vez UA-cam or Vezbot if the original Reprap people had all had a Patreon paywall or webshop. If you're not capable to get a real job, at least sell actual hardware!

    • @whatsupbudbud
      @whatsupbudbud 3 місяці тому +2

      @@testboga5991 is it ridiculous though? This guy spent quite a few man hours to produce this design and you have probably wasted a few trying to calibrate your printer, so why so salty?
      And your last sentence is really baffling. Anything that produces value to others is a 'real job' or entrepreneurship, to be exact.

  • @Offcut55
    @Offcut55 2 роки тому +1

    I have often thought the letter on the cube will mess the measurements I tend to use a temp tower and a flow topless cube for my measurements but will try yours for sure

  • @Daepilin
    @Daepilin 2 роки тому +11

    Looking good, will definitely get this for my next calibration :D
    One thing I would find interesting would be skew/accuracy of the z axis, as I feel this is the weakest link in a lot of 'cheap' printers

  • @jheins3
    @jheins3 2 роки тому

    You're correct, this is a superior measurement system for calibration. My only concern with this method (as its not described in the video) is how you're determining/separating form from position. All measurements are measurements of form/size. Whereas, I believe, skew would be a measurement of POSITION. This means that all measurements relating to skew (or features out of place) should originate from the same feature, ie a Datum. You could do this by applying a cylindrical feature in the center of the part and cylindrical features at the diagonals and measure center-line to center-line for these lengths. This would probably yield less than 3% improvement, but for accuracy sake... now you know.

    • @LivinWorkin
      @LivinWorkin 2 роки тому

      You mean like how a ball-bar test checks movement?
      Not gunna lie, I'd love to be able to do that ki d of test on my printer

  • @hermangaviria690
    @hermangaviria690 2 роки тому +1

    I bought the STL and read the instructions. Basically, what you're getting at is that we should get accurate prints by changing the E-steps and rotation distance (also account for Skew)? I have always used horizontal expansion to get accurate prints but the approach here is different. Am I correct in these assumptions? Should I never depend on horizontal expansion again? Will changing rotation distance really carry over dimensional accuracy to other models and prints?

  • @David_Best
    @David_Best 7 місяців тому

    How do you put the skew factor into a Prusa MK4 printer? In the Prusa slicer - I don't see how? In G-code? Someplace else?

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  7 місяців тому

      Sadly Mk4 doesn't have facility to add skew correction as far as i know. sorry.

  • @genau14zeichen
    @genau14zeichen 2 роки тому +2

    You can tell a lot of effort went into this :) I just purchased it from your store. Keep up the good work

  • @davidsimmonds8006
    @davidsimmonds8006 10 місяців тому

    I have just used this very successfully to calibrate my Ender 3 V2 Pro. I have two suggestions for improving the excel spread-sheet.
    I'm using the Orca slicer and entered the shrinkage compensation value. However, on a 2nd calibration run the compensation value suggested by your spread-sheet doesn't take into account the currently set shrinkage value. It is an easy calculation to do, but would help if you could enter the current shrinkage value so that it does the calculation for you.
    An unlocked area would be useful for entering comments on changes made.

  • @Spacekriek
    @Spacekriek 2 роки тому

    I have an older CR-10S printer and use Cura as a slicing program. There is an add on for Cura called skew compensation. I found this add on to be really useful and it was quite an eye opener to discover that my precious printer was not all that accurate on the three basic planes as I expected it to be ! It was even out by a fraction of a degree on the XY plane. Fortunately, the fix for this plane required a relatively quick and flat print and a bit of basic algebra. For the other two planes I designed a kind of pulley with a sturdy axial piece and printed a few. I am fortunate to have a large old Meccano set and built myself a test rig to analyze the wobble on a number of these test pulleys. After about 5 or 6 tries I had the wobble reduced to virtually zero. This was a very interesting project on its own !

  • @adamfilipowicz9260
    @adamfilipowicz9260 2 роки тому

    After I print a flower and use the Skew Calibration in reprapfirmware. when I print the 2nd test to check results. How do I compensate for existign Skew. when it recalculates?

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому +1

      Unfortunately you can't but from the results I've seen you shouldn't actually need to do this iteratively.

  • @aircoholic
    @aircoholic 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the great work, I really appreciate it! However, after printing and measuring, I'm a bit lost what to do with the results. I understand how to process the skew value, but where do the X and Y values go? In the video you mention the x/Y Shrinkage setting in SuperSlicer, but that's one value, but I have two different values for X and Y - so which one to apply where and how? Maybe I'm missing something really obvious, but atm, I think this part could use a little more detail. A quick pointer where to put which value would be greatly appreciated.

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому +1

      V6 spreadsheet with more guidance and details on implementation coming soon.

    • @aircoholic
      @aircoholic 2 роки тому

      @@Vector3DP Fantastic news! Thanks so much.

  • @davethetaswegian
    @davethetaswegian 2 роки тому +1

    Nice. Just wondering if you have made any allowance for elephants foot? This tends to screw up dimensional measurements for anything on the the print bed unless you are that rare person who has perfectly levelled your bed and set the correct z offset, etc. I know that I tend to err in being a little too close to the bed to get good first layer adhesion.

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому +1

      Yes, a chamfer around the bottom edge of the print deals with that.

    • @davethetaswegian
      @davethetaswegian 2 роки тому

      @@Vector3DP cool, thanks

    • @GnuReligion
      @GnuReligion 2 роки тому

      Yes, was also wondering about the Horizontal Expansion that I ordinary use to make mechanical prints?
      I do not suppose this value will affect your test results though, as you are averaging inside and outside measurements.

  • @billmartin6687
    @billmartin6687 10 місяців тому

    First of all thank you designing this tool. I printed one ,measured, then did the adjustments on the printer saved the settings.
    Round two same thing. It was worse than the first one . Back to square one with the measurements.
    Round eight still no better than the original settings .
    Decided to go back to what I had in the beginning.

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  10 місяців тому

      You only need to do once.

  • @X11-35-2
    @X11-35-2 2 роки тому +6

    Wow, that’s awesome. Better printing 2-3 of this flowers instead of 20 cubes. Voron cubes are nice to indicate lots of things, but xyz calibration normally sucks

  • @jeremyrileysmith
    @jeremyrileysmith 2 роки тому

    When I put in the skew in the Klipper command window, it says "Unknown command:"SET_SKEW"" Do I just add "[skew_correction]" to the printer.cfg or are there additional settings I need to go with it?

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому

      Ye, you're right, you need to add the section to printer.cfg.

  • @ChozoSR388
    @ChozoSR388 11 місяців тому

    What Spreadsheet programs does this work with? Is it Excel-only, or should it work with the likes of LibreOffice Calc and other StarOffice Calc derivatives?

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  11 місяців тому

      There is a ods version as well as an xlsx version.

  • @gsuresh2u
    @gsuresh2u Рік тому

    Hi, already purchased this, but want to purchase XYZ also, is there any video regarding that ?

  • @myJorge7777
    @myJorge7777 2 роки тому

    I have Prusa i3 mk3 where do I add step/mm info and rotation dist. Thanks.

  • @JonS
    @JonS 2 роки тому +1

    Very nice.
    One issue with most calibration objects is they can be impacted by elephant’s foot (which is an issue to be resolved separately from E steps).
    Does this have chamfers to prevent elephant’s foot from impacting the measurements?

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому +3

      Of course it does :)

    • @JonS
      @JonS 2 роки тому

      @@Vector3DP you’re too good!

  • @andrebonneau8738
    @andrebonneau8738 2 роки тому +2

    I found that the best way to adjust step/mm is actually to measure the physical x y z movement of the printhead , 3d printed objects tend to shrink when cooled.

    • @voicesarefree
      @voicesarefree 2 роки тому +1

      I bought a dial indicator exactly for that reason. That being said, I have never attempted so many measurements on a calibration print, and never for skew, so I’ll be giving this new method a try.

    • @Dystrackshun
      @Dystrackshun 2 роки тому +1

      Yes, this measures the actual filament after shrinkage. its designed to adapt a tuned printer to produce parts that are dimensionally accurate after printing and cooling.

  • @electricpaisy6045
    @electricpaisy6045 10 місяців тому

    I printed it on my Core XY but I have two questions about the excel file:
    1. The file says "If you have CoreXY, X and Y are 'locked' to each other so use the average of the two errors." But wouldn't it be better to rotate the print by 45° to be exactly on the axis and have x and y seperate rather than getting just the average?
    2. My part turned out slightly to small so the file suggests to either Scale the Part up in the slicer or adjust the Steps but if I decide for the later, if I understand correctly the printer will move a further distance without knowing that it also has to extrude more material to make up for the now bigger part did the file already calculate with that or do I have to adjust the extruder after this aswell?

  • @matthiasreisenauer3176
    @matthiasreisenauer3176 2 роки тому

    sounds intresting, but would it be useable for an belt printer ? like CR30

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому

      Probably not.

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому

      You could still determine accuracy, but the calculated adjustments wouldn't be correct

  • @hoctrimededebutry8655
    @hoctrimededebutry8655 2 роки тому

    Hello and thanks a lot for this video. I bought your Calibration flow, print the calibration flower on my Prusa Mini, log the measurements in the calibration calculator. OK, and now ? i'm lost.... As i can't update the Marlin's firmware of the Prusa, how can i make adjustments ? I found a X correction of 0.25% and Y correction of 0.40%. The skew correction is 0.29°. I don't know how using these measurements in the prusaSlicer.... Sorry for my English, i'm French 😉

  • @thorgraum1462
    @thorgraum1462 Рік тому

    5:40 can you also use these for PLA and other filaments?

  • @PitPrint
    @PitPrint 10 місяців тому

    Hi hi! Nice video. How i fix the skew on a Bambu Lab P1S?

  • @mehowcreate5832
    @mehowcreate5832 2 роки тому +1

    This is great, I calibrated my Voron 2.4 printer with it and since I did it in ASA I can now use it as a impromptu coaster haha. Thank you very much

  • @holgerabend2282
    @holgerabend2282 Рік тому

    In Superslicer you entered 99.35 for Shrinkage. but were is this value in your excel? where does it come from?

  • @coledavidson5630
    @coledavidson5630 6 місяців тому

    Where can I get the spreadsheet? Link in description doesn't seem to work anymore

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  6 місяців тому +1

      Link updated, should work now

    • @coledavidson5630
      @coledavidson5630 6 місяців тому

      @@Vector3DP ayyy thank you!

  • @vanlife4256
    @vanlife4256 2 роки тому +2

    Great contribution to our Community! Thank you!

  • @xenontesla122
    @xenontesla122 2 роки тому +3

    Good work! I noticed you even made sure to chamfer the edges and the bottom for even extrusion and to avoid elephant’s foot.

    • @LivinWorkin
      @LivinWorkin 2 роки тому

      I was curious about this and the potential effects of that, This just sealed it for me that I'll try this soon

  • @retronexusnet
    @retronexusnet Рік тому

    Great tool! thanks!
    The description says: "If you have CoreXY...use the average of the errors". But where do I put the error? the spreadsheet does not account for CoreXY then.
    also: The inner an douter errors have hitns when inner is neg and outer is positive and vice versa. But mine are both negative. what does that mean?

  • @Flashbang_Photo
    @Flashbang_Photo 2 роки тому

    Just bought this! I've been printing some multipart pieces that did sort of fit-but-not-really, and i was already on the edge of buying this. Seeing how the parts ended up fitting, i bit the bullet. Being 00:11AM here i may not print the flower just now, but i'm already testing the bridge part. Cheers!

  • @weisnowhere
    @weisnowhere 2 роки тому +1

    Started printing models with gears and several parts interacting with one another and noticed some dimensional inaccuracies. Thanks for the content! I'll be calibrating this way for now on!

  • @MrMun33
    @MrMun33 2 роки тому +1

    Have you considered caliper tolerances in these measurements. Maybe there is nothing to change if it's readings are in tolerances of your calipers. By the way this will differ between Prusa Slicer and Cura because Cura calculate rectangle area for line protection, therefore 0.4 mm thick line which is 0.2 mm high, will be arround 0.44mm wide if you print with 100% flow for outer walls (extrusion multiplier)

  • @arvenebinny
    @arvenebinny 2 роки тому

    Thanks for taking the time to do this mate. I just got a 3D printer and did a cube calibration and was wondering how to correct the settings and in youtube i found this video. THanks again.

  • @johnhawkes7681
    @johnhawkes7681 2 роки тому

    Hi there. I've just purchased the cauliflower and done a few runs. I've added the skew correction to my Marlin firmware. When I'm implementing the X and Y size adjustments in super slicer should I add the X and Y compensation values as well as shrinkage or just one or the other. Thanks.

    • @tubeyoului
      @tubeyoului 2 роки тому

      Have you ever found out? I've got the exact same question ...

    • @johnhawkes7681
      @johnhawkes7681 2 роки тому

      @@tubeyoului one or the other from what I remember.

  • @richieThach
    @richieThach 2 роки тому +1

    Was able to go from 0.2 tolerance to 0.1 tolerance on a tolerance coin test, thanks!

  • @FilamentStories
    @FilamentStories 2 роки тому +1

    What a great way to get better dimensional accuracy measurements. Love it!

  • @nickrp88
    @nickrp88 10 місяців тому

    Can anyone point to a guide on how to apply these results to a prusa MK4?
    I found lots of forums complaining about changes to "pronterface" whatever that is, but have not been able to find an actual step by step for adjusting the printer firmware.

  • @sonicdudemgvids3451
    @sonicdudemgvids3451 2 роки тому

    Does this show how to work it in Cura?

  • @toma.cnc1
    @toma.cnc1 2 роки тому +14

    Very nice indeed! I have printed some 5 or 6 cubes in a year on 11 printers as i never thought it has any real use at 2x2x2cm, but i did print a 50x50x50 once as it is more useful for accuracy.. This video changes that! 😃

    • @whatsupbudbud
      @whatsupbudbud 3 місяці тому

      wow, you printed 50cm cube for testing? 😄

  • @soulless9951
    @soulless9951 8 місяців тому

    does anyone know how to access the calculator? i purchased the stl and i dont know how to get my average.

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  8 місяців тому

      Support information can be found in the PDF instructions document.

  • @JustCreateYou
    @JustCreateYou 2 роки тому

    I'm such a nube and so lost where do I Input these corrections once I get the measurements... I use cura ..

  • @christianmarkussen6412
    @christianmarkussen6412 2 роки тому +1

    Brilliant👍. I am in the middle of calibrating my printer and profiles do perfect timing. I have always found the calibration cubes less than ideal.

  • @songsteel00
    @songsteel00 2 роки тому

    The web page doesn't load when I got to the link, it's got a blank site without any content just your theme.

    • @songsteel00
      @songsteel00 2 роки тому

      Nvm it's working on a different computer so it's on my end

  • @MBCNC
    @MBCNC 2 роки тому

    Does the skew correction value changes when tighten belts right?

  • @AndrewAHayes
    @AndrewAHayes 2 роки тому +1

    I spent ages making adjustments to get a calibration cube 20.00mm on all measurements on an Ender 3, I am curious to know how this machine will fare with the flower calibration

  • @brandoneich2412
    @brandoneich2412 2 роки тому +1

    Is this compatible with only specific size nozzles? Or will any nozzle work (I'd like to use a 0.6mm)

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому +1

      The whole frame/body of the flower is 5mm wide is most places so as long as long as your nozzle can draw that, you should be fine with any nozzle size.

    • @brandoneich2412
      @brandoneich2412 2 роки тому

      @@Vector3DPawesome!!! Thank you so much!
      so probably not any 2.6mm nozzles? Jk... That would be an INSANE nozzle and it would just burn through filament! I already think those 1.8mm CHT nozzles are Insane. It's mind boggling to think you nozzle hole is larger than the filament centering the nozzle. Lol
      Thanks again!

  • @FilamentFrenzy
    @FilamentFrenzy 2 роки тому

    Thanks

  • @GabrielAlejandroZorrilla
    @GabrielAlejandroZorrilla 2 роки тому

    Cool, and ain't to expensive considering the effort put. If I buy now am I entitled to get future revisions free of charge?

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому

      Yes, updates to this design all included in the purchase.

  • @VITO-Wood-and-Goods
    @VITO-Wood-and-Goods 2 роки тому

    Thanks for it, I bought it. Question... I can adjust the XYZ Axis steps on my display. (Marlin Community Firmware) What should I input if the Settings are not in prozent? Example: X=80, Y=100 and Z=400.

  • @LivinWorkin
    @LivinWorkin 2 роки тому +1

    I'd be curious to see how this calibration flower stacks up against teaching techs website and presliced models to dial in a printer.
    I think I'll use this on my son's printer as mine is pretty heavily molded, and he's got a stock ender 3.

  • @fabianfritz1655
    @fabianfritz1655 2 роки тому

    Hello, think you vor this nice Tool.
    I have a question on this Thema:
    I have a Prusa Mini can I put the Correction parameter in the Start-G-Code.
    Or what should I do?

  • @blueicevirus
    @blueicevirus 2 роки тому

    how do you calibrate for z axis?

  • @stevenmcculloch5727
    @stevenmcculloch5727 2 роки тому +3

    It actually makes sense! Nice idea for calibration that isn't just the classic (terrible) tweaking x/y/z steps/mm until your calibration cube measures 20.00

  • @borolo222
    @borolo222 Рік тому

    Thankyou. Finally can print something accurate. Being stgruggling with this for years. Now I can print usefull things. 0.11% X, 0%Y and 0.01 skew.

  • @tapirath
    @tapirath 2 роки тому

    The sheet shows separate correction for X and Y but shrinkage in PrusaSlicer is a single value for XY. What to do?

    • @RubixB0y
      @RubixB0y 2 роки тому +1

      He just averaged them. Ex: -0.5% for X and -0.9% for Y, you'd avg to -0.7% and input 99.3 into prusaslicer ( assuming it's the same as superslicer)

  • @potatomeatlabs
    @potatomeatlabs 2 роки тому

    Not sure if your website is broken for anyone else, but I am unable to see anything available in the store. But otherwise it looks like a good way to calibrate a few things at once.

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому

      Seems to be working fine for me and others.

  • @fw_uke_ha
    @fw_uke_ha 2 роки тому

    Does your Excel Sheet has a fault? At minute 6:24 your Y error result should be -0,62% and not in -0.69% accounting the measurements from 5, 6, 7 and 8.

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому

      Nope, it works correctly.

  • @notcorrect
    @notcorrect 2 роки тому

    This is a great calibration tool. I may need a little input though because results got worse. I expected the print to get bigger but it got smaller. I'm using Klipper and Cura.
    I used the SuperSlicer setting in a Cura plugin for "Scaling Factor Shrinkage Compensation". I'm thinking this value for Cura should be 100.19 and not 99.81 like in the Excel file.
    X = -0.19%
    Y = -0.20%
    Skew = -0.03%
    Inner = -0.01%
    Outer = -0.37%

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому

      Join us in the Vector3D discord and we can help you better there.

  • @andrewdunn9001
    @andrewdunn9001 Рік тому

    Any ideas on how to apply the results from a califlower print to a Bambu X-1. While my correction factors are small, I have a large part thats very reliant on dimensional accuracy. I see in "Printer Settings" that I can add/modify the start and end g-code and its Marlin (legacy) flavor but I don't understand where to add the worksheet code.

  • @frankcellini9363
    @frankcellini9363 2 роки тому

    Used this system to calculate error but for a Prusa Mini, where would I add the calibration error? For XY shrinkage should I add it to printer firmware or in the Prusa Slicer settings? Make it filament specific? What about skew correction?

  • @cdl1701
    @cdl1701 2 роки тому

    Ran this on mine and my errors were 0.02, 0.02, 0.06 so not bad. This is a great tool to check for accuracy and the excel file is great addition. Well done!

  • @Drew_pew_pew_pew
    @Drew_pew_pew_pew 2 роки тому

    Will the Excel sheet work in Libre office too?

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому +1

      Yes, just opened and tried it, seems to work exactly the same.

  • @kkfranco98
    @kkfranco98 2 роки тому

    Can I adjust skew in other firmware, for example Marlin or Repetier ?

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому

      Yep, code do it in marlin is included. Not sure on repetier

  • @garramiro
    @garramiro 2 роки тому

    question: how do you correct skew in RRF?

  • @Trevs-Shed
    @Trevs-Shed 2 роки тому

    Many thanks. I will be using that tomorrow after tweaking some mechanical settings today.

    • @Trevs-Shed
      @Trevs-Shed 2 роки тому

      Or maybe not. Page not found when I try to get the files.

    • @Trevs-Shed
      @Trevs-Shed 2 роки тому

      Ah, I found it by going to the shop and looking for it. Might be nice to mention this is £5 on this video's description. I will order one later today, seems well worth it.

  • @fontanadamiano7729
    @fontanadamiano7729 2 роки тому

    Bought the test and ran it on E3D toolchanger.
    Skew 0.32° off! -> Unscrewed the Y axis and put it back on the square, re-tensioned the belt -> 0.01°. Quite disappointed that E3D give a machine in such a bad calibration.
    It would be interesting to have some data on flow regulation, do you have any ideas?

  • @bohaman.
    @bohaman. 2 роки тому

    I’m new to this. May I ask on how to do it on simplify3d? Thank you all

  • @enrilopez
    @enrilopez 2 роки тому

    Currently printing this on all my 5 FDM printers ,i do have a question, my tenlog and ender 5 plus i don't have access to the firmware so i won't be able to change the skew correct???
    And does the nozzle size matters for this calibration?

  • @Dystrackshun
    @Dystrackshun 2 роки тому

    My x and y were about .3% different, but in Superslicer the shrinkage only allows for overall. How do you determine what value to enter? Is the avg of the x and y %?
    My values were x 0.57% y 0.27%.

    • @aircoholic
      @aircoholic 2 роки тому

      I'm wondering the same thing, did you figure anything out yet?

  • @TheNickelGhost
    @TheNickelGhost 2 роки тому +1

    Love the design, thanks for sharing! My go-to calibration object has always been the "5 mm calibration steps" (scaled 2x because 5 mm is too puny for a 0.4 mm nozzle): it has the same advantages of internal + external dimensions for measurement, but also has a little section for bridging, and the progressively smaller tiers also let you gauge the cooling (increasing "overextrusion" at higher Z is usually a symptom of insufficient cooling in my experience). But it doesn't have anything for skew, which is something I've never even thought about before, so I'll definitely be giving your flower a shot 🙂

  • @miclaro
    @miclaro 2 роки тому

    hmm, I don't see a skew setting on prusa slicer, is this something that can be adjusted on prusa printers?

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому +2

      Skew is a firmware setting rather than slicer setting.

  • @lam_xyz
    @lam_xyz 2 роки тому

    Great idea! If I understand correctly, it just calibrates x and y but not z. Is this not necessary or not possible?

    • @RubixB0y
      @RubixB0y 2 роки тому

      It can be calibrated for and prints exist, but I imagine there are more factors to wrangle in for xz and yz skew calibration: like nozzle offset, bed leveling, eccentric nut adjustments. You would want to be measuring and compensating purely for z-axis alignment. Maybe a print on a raft could get rid of first layer artifacts, but then you have to measure off of a rough bottom.

  • @BinaryClay
    @BinaryClay 2 роки тому

    Is the size of the print still the best choice if you have a 500X500mm print bed, or would a larger version make sense?

  • @miharala
    @miharala Рік тому

    Why does Klipper not accept SET_SCEW XY command?

  • @paulstephenson5311
    @paulstephenson5311 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for this. The video from Stefan brought me here.
    I wish you the best outcome in this difficult period (I went through it 3 years ago).

  • @86abaile
    @86abaile 2 роки тому

    Is there a way to input the correction code into duet printers?

  • @vndk36
    @vndk36 2 роки тому

    Super nice project and way to calibrate with real solutions as well. What about calibration with the printer frame and a caliper instead of relying on a 3d print that as so many other variables like extrusion rate etc (even if your solution takes it into account)?

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому +2

      Well if you think about it, it doesn't matter what anything else is doing as long as the print comes out square and the right size, so best to measure the printed parts.

  • @NULL_POTATO_EXCEPTION
    @NULL_POTATO_EXCEPTION 2 роки тому

    I don't understand how to use the Klipper G-code fix and the Marlin firmware adjustment. Is just one of the two needed? Or both? I also don't really know where to use them.
    I'm currently using Ultimaker Cura 4.12.1 and an Ender 3 V2 on firmware v1.0.2. I see I can change the starting G-code in Cura for my machine. Is this where I should put the G-code fix? How do I know if my machine supports Klipper? Is Klipper firmware for my machine? Or is it a flavor of G-code? I am even more lost with the Marline firmware adjustment. Any one can help me?

  • @Brocknoviatch
    @Brocknoviatch 2 роки тому

    Prusa printers have wizard for detecting skew etc, would this still be useful?

    • @RubixB0y
      @RubixB0y 2 роки тому +1

      You could use it to measure the material shrinkage still, if anything I suppose it could verify the results of the Prusa

  • @scottcook6844
    @scottcook6844 2 роки тому

    I purchased the suite and have emailed you and gotten no response, so trying here. What do you do if the calculation results in a substantially different X and Y value, eg one is negative and one is positive? The slicer only has one adjustment that seems to work in both axes. Does the skew calculation compensate for this at all? Klipper/superslicer here.

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому

      Inbox has been a little swamped the last couple of days. There might be other problems with your machine, or perhaps your steps/mm are not quite correct for your X/Y axis? My V0.1 has a slight difference between X and Y but is not as large as you suggest. I'd try this: try differenet filament, calibrate/validate E-steps, print and measure again to see if its consistent.

  • @philevans4021
    @philevans4021 2 роки тому +12

    Looks more like a waffle than a flower 😛

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому +3

      SHhhhhh, nobody noticed. 😉

  • @kbruin79
    @kbruin79 2 роки тому

    Very cool, would love to try it. Is there a compensation needed for different nozzle sizes? I am using 0.6mm.

  • @Stahlfabrik
    @Stahlfabrik 2 роки тому

    Cool idea as always! Is there a way To calibrate skew on XZ and YZ too?

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому +1

      Well, not with this design, no. The thing with those direction and this method is that it requires printing 45degree overhangs which will have inaccuracy of their own. I'll try to think of something though

  • @Killerjack007
    @Killerjack007 2 роки тому

    Will definitely try it out and see how it goes.
    Single print multi calibration no hassles printing 20 diff stls.
    I'm assuming this works for Deltas , Corexy's and Cartesians since the logic behind it is the same

  • @RubixB0y
    @RubixB0y 2 роки тому

    I'm confused why the last argument Klipper gcode fix is 69.59 at 4:34 . If the square was 100mm on the diagonal, that would mean the side length would be 100mm/sqrt(2)=70.71mm

    • @RubixB0y
      @RubixB0y 2 роки тому

      It seems like you just took the avg % correct for the x axis and just multiplied by 70 instead of 70.71 👀 Naughty naughty
      Edit: ...turns out, didn't affect the calculation 🤷‍♂I think it should be 70.30 for yours though, to be picky

  • @JonathanScruggs
    @JonathanScruggs 2 роки тому

    How do I set the shrinkage value in PrusaSlicer v2.4.1? My filament settings page looks nothing like your's. I have X error -0.40%, Y errror -0.43%, and Skew -0.18. How do I find the shrinkage % that you entered in the box. And I'm missing the box even on Expert settings. I did a search for it and it doesn't come up in the search box.
    EDIT: In print settings, there is now a XY Size Compensation in mm. Is there where I would place a value? If so, which one?

    • @zabejaga9489
      @zabejaga9489 2 роки тому

      No, XY Size compensation is about to add/reduce "thickness" to the object. PrusaSlicer doesn't have shrinkage parameter, but you can use scale factor at object manipulation frame.

  •  2 роки тому

    tested.... my skew is not problem, problem is in inner XY compensation. first you need calibrate this then you need calibrate skew. your skew never gonna be correct. my wall are 5,2mm they need to be 5mm! so first inner compesation in slicer. after that skew. (and ) excel file for superslicer -klipper is in error rotation distance. result is in only in 2 decimals. klipper works on 6 decimals (documentation) so on ender(depend on hardware pulley) you missing some milimetes on correct move x-y. not mentioned in the video and instructions. if skew is saved (SAVE_CONFIG) then it does not need to be loaded every time in gcode at the beginning and end. it is constantly loaded on every print. (same goes for z-offset). if you wanna load skew on each print then a macro command needs to be made, like bltouch.

  • @Lidocain777
    @Lidocain777 2 роки тому

    That's a really clever approach for proper calibration (unlike those damn cubes that are pretty ... useless, IMHO). I'll try this asap before re-starting some projects.
    I agree on a per-material calibration, yet should the material brand be considered too (per-material and per-brand) or can we simply ditch that detail ?

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому +1

      I've not tested enough different brands to know. I'm sure a low warp abs will shrink less than a normal abs, hence less warping, but I'm hoping most differences from one brand to the next will be negligible even though they probably exist.

    • @Lidocain777
      @Lidocain777 2 роки тому

      @@Vector3DP That's precisely what I was referring to. One of my go-to ABS is TitanX (and its ASA sibling, ApolloX) by FormFutura and ... these don't warp (even on unenclosed machines). Gonna have to check these against regular ABS that's sitting around.

  • @alexg-s4d
    @alexg-s4d 2 роки тому

    I'm guessing that you measure inner dimensions to cancel out actual line width. Though using your model you can not only measure shrinkage rate but also horizontal expansion (Cura setting, there is also one in super slocer). Shrinkage = (measurement of 100mm - measurement of 50mm ) / (100-50); horizontal expansion = (100 * shrinkage - measurement of 100mm) / 2.

  • @leewilkinson9826
    @leewilkinson9826 2 роки тому +1

    Hi, this is an awesome piece of work and hugely appreciated. Question - will this also be valid to use on a Delta printer?

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому +1

      Yes, absolutely.

    • @leewilkinson9826
      @leewilkinson9826 2 роки тому

      @@Vector3DP purchased, well worth the very small investment and a huge value. Thanks for the work!

  • @Foxuniverso
    @Foxuniverso Рік тому

    Question... how do i "calibrate" exactly?

  • @TommiHonkonen
    @TommiHonkonen 2 роки тому

    would someone tell me what you can actually calibrate with 20mm cube? Might have to run through this maybe this weekend

    • @Vector3DP
      @Vector3DP  2 роки тому

      Funny thing... it turns out... not much 😉

    • @TommiHonkonen
      @TommiHonkonen 2 роки тому

      @@Vector3DP exactly

    • @AndrewGillard
      @AndrewGillard 2 роки тому

      There's a reason Tom Sanladerer has repeatedly expressed his view of how useless calibration cubes are, and that he's never printed one :)

    • @TommiHonkonen
      @TommiHonkonen 2 роки тому

      @@AndrewGillard i never printed boat because it too useless

  • @DavidGunter
    @DavidGunter 2 роки тому

    Thanks for this. Just purchased the files and I'm starting a new set of calibration prints. Cheers!