Simply Years Ahead: Thanks to its Ingenious 16-bit DAC, the Philips CD960 Is a Cult 1980s CD Player

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  • Опубліковано 11 лис 2024

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  • @harveysvintageaudio
    @harveysvintageaudio Місяць тому +8

    I still have my very first CD player, a Philips CD104 in mint condition with original fixed phono lead, original box, packing materials, Philips CD cleaning cloth, plastic bags, manuals, leaflets etc. I bought it in Lasky's, Tottenham Court Road, London.

  • @asrarul12
    @asrarul12 Місяць тому +12

    The more you watch Hi-Fi Riff, the more you get lost in time. Love this channel.

    • @MrVinylista
      @MrVinylista Місяць тому +1

      Cheers. Sometimes it's fun to live in the past.

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому +1

      Hello Jethro Tull.

    • @oliverbeard7912
      @oliverbeard7912 Місяць тому +3

      @@Hi-FiRiff That's a great tune. What does a flute and a lawsuit have in common? Everyone is relieved when the case is closed.🙂

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому +1

      Brilliant!

  • @johnmarchington3146
    @johnmarchington3146 Місяць тому +5

    How nice to see a channel discussing CDs. Thank you, gentlemen.

  • @timbre7999
    @timbre7999 Місяць тому +5

    Probably my favourite riff of all time; a real Mike&David video with such insight in history and historic banter that I'm riveted. You guys purely as a friends duo with literally shared history are such fun to watch, it takes me back to my own teen years every time you make a vid such as this one, thank you for that!

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому +1

      Thank you... It's funny, I really enjoyed watching it back myself when uploading to UA-cam... that probably sounds a bit weird, but it definitely has something nice about it.
      Mike

    • @timbre7999
      @timbre7999 Місяць тому

      @@Hi-FiRiff It really does and not weird at all; it is just great to share fond and interesting memories like that and such moments are great to watch.

  • @VirtualGuth
    @VirtualGuth Місяць тому +5

    Late to the CD game, I bought one of these new in 1990 as my first CD player. If I had not found a dealer offering them on sale, I likely would have bought a Philips-made Magnavox unit instead. All these years (and a few belt changes) later, the CD960 still going strong. Unlike all of my friends I elected to hang on to my vinyl (my CD player purchase was actually delayed by a turntable upgrade). These days I still enjoy both LPs and CDs in addition to my other sources.

  • @tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120
    @tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Місяць тому +2

    I still have my 1989 Sony Cdp 605 esd $1k back in 89 but with the Sony BU1 mech 3 beam laser and Philips TDA 1541 dac chip still love it ! Thanks for thr video

  • @crimlarksSteve
    @crimlarksSteve Місяць тому +4

    Such an excellent riff. Thanks, Gentlemen!

  • @johntucker5994
    @johntucker5994 Місяць тому +4

    What a great riff! You two are a joy to watch with your good-natured banter, ribbing and lifetime friendship. While I have long known of the TDA 1541A S2, I wasn't sure in which specific products it was implemented. The Philips CD960 looks to have been extremely well-manufactured, and IMO its quirky outward design only add to its charm 37 years later. FWIW, if you can find this unit for sale anywhere, you can still find the rubber belts on ebay which need to be replaced from time to time. Love your channel and thank you!

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому +2

      One was sold on ebay on the day we made this riff... at a tasty price.
      David..... anything you need to tell us?
      Mike

  • @AndyC-1
    @AndyC-1 Місяць тому +1

    This is definitely the best hifi wrestling site on the interweb, and I do love your taste in mopeds . . . . . . Mike!

  • @aidanpallister7784
    @aidanpallister7784 Місяць тому +6

    Brilliant as always gents! 👏🏻

  • @virgogreg
    @virgogreg Місяць тому +3

    In 1987 I had a Philips CD350 player (14 bit ) and Keff Carlton 3 speakers with a Philips class A amp as my first stereo, it probably would stand up to modern audiophiles in sound quality

  • @johnshaw359
    @johnshaw359 Місяць тому +6

    Just bought a Philips CD 473 TDA 1541 with a CDM 2 mech for kicks. The CDM swing arm mechs are also nearly indestructible.

    • @Craft-oh7uv
      @Craft-oh7uv Місяць тому

      Yes i"ve got one 👍 did you know you can shut the open tray with your finger just push on the front of draw and hay presto 😊

  • @Grampus854
    @Grampus854 Місяць тому +2

    Thank you gents - another great episode and very nostalgic for me. I’d forgotten about those selected 1541A chips, a big marketing ploy at the time. I bought a Cambridge Audio CD2 around then which had 4 standard 1541A chips (16x16 oversampling). Replaced that with a Quad 67 which is now 30+ years old but still in my system today.

  • @jozefserf2024
    @jozefserf2024 Місяць тому +2

    Over 40 years of CD development (as well as Grace Jones' bad mood) and somehow some of the earliest ones (Marantz, Aiwa, Philips) still sound the best.
    Unlike Gerry Rafferty very few CD players got it (tone and texture) right next time.
    Interesting that bitstream is now seen as a backwards step. It was all the rage back then.

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому

      Great comments :-)
      Mike

  • @DJNeiloSF
    @DJNeiloSF Місяць тому +3

    Love the musical references - excellent review 👍

  • @highfell1
    @highfell1 Місяць тому +4

    I have the DAC sort-of equivalent with the Marantz PM 75 which came out two years later in 1989 and a Silver crown TDA 1541A chip. Also sounds fabulous and not that expensive

  • @gratmatassa5432
    @gratmatassa5432 Місяць тому +3

    amazes me how these vintage players read the table of contents so fast or as the featured player went from the drawer closing to playing

  • @mymusic5772
    @mymusic5772 Місяць тому +1

    Thanks guys..I,d love a riff on. Phono stages,,arms and cartridges at some point.

  • @redpill4431
    @redpill4431 Місяць тому +3

    Yes, it is a top album , I have it on LP . Use it all the time for setting systems up , love Thomas Dolby

  • @Baldieman1
    @Baldieman1 Місяць тому +1

    Very entertaining as always.Remember the great reviews this Philips got,and great to hear you like the excellent Flat Earth and a mention of my favourite underrated band,Japan,a class act for sure.Good Tim Jarman gets a mention,as he is a fount of knowledge,and seems like a nice bloke too,after talking to him at the Ascot show.Just a shame his exhibition space for his retro dem was much smaller than last year.

  • @paulpavlou9294
    @paulpavlou9294 Місяць тому +1

    Hi I had a Suzuki TC100 two stroke in the early seventies. I also have a Phillips CDP-CD620 which has the TDA1541A DAC chip in it and the CDM4 transport. It is an R1 and not an S1 chip, however I had this modified with a Tricord clock and updated power supplies and filter by Joe Rasmussen in Sydney Australia when it was purchased and it still sounds amazing today. He has also done mods to my Oppo 105 which is to this day my reference CD player in my main system. The Oppo is more detailed and analytical compared to the Philips which is more analogue sounding. I wish I could attach a photo of the innards of this as it’s an incredible amount of work that Joe has done to this player. The Philips CDP CD620 is also a bargain and a great performer.

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому +1

      Had we known you then, we would have been very jealous!
      Mike

  • @gerrywade4482
    @gerrywade4482 Місяць тому +3

    The 9/10 riff award I fully get because if it had not of been for SONY, the CD format would never left the ground. PHILIPS could never market anything. FACT!

  • @705johnnyboy
    @705johnnyboy Місяць тому +3

    my first player could double as a orbital sander so i saved money on diy house reno as well...

  • @Ricky-cl5bu
    @Ricky-cl5bu Місяць тому +3

    Brilliant riff 😊

  • @harrisarp3841
    @harrisarp3841 Місяць тому +3

    My favourite channel!!!🎵📻📀

  • @gilesdavis6345
    @gilesdavis6345 Місяць тому +2

    I still use a marantz cd94 with a marantz cda94 matching dac with the same chip and an up rated power supply and output stage ( as standard). It really does sound good and still works perfectly after all this time. I also use a chord hugo which I love but the marantz is just so musical and enjoyable.
    Thanks dudes.

  • @mmuzzwell3654
    @mmuzzwell3654 Місяць тому +3

    Mine cost 20 euros at a thrift store in Amsterdam. Philips made some fantastic players. After getting this I went on a CDM1 binge. Most indeed have the TDA1540 dac. Downside is you cant use an external dac. Marantz (cd 84) probably offers the best build quality, B&0's CDX also great but fragile in areas. The CD960 is very nice but imo some of the Sony ES players are even nicer. SONY CDP-337ESD has dual TDA1541's and has beautiful build quality.

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому +1

      Moving to Holland immediately.
      Mike

    • @mmuzzwell3654
      @mmuzzwell3654 Місяць тому

      @@Hi-FiRiff The 960 also has black gate caps.

  • @danmarjenka6361
    @danmarjenka6361 Місяць тому +1

    I want to see these two do a video after they drink about 4 or 5 beers. Newcastle Nut Brown Ale perhaps?

  • @pittsburghpenguinstv9735
    @pittsburghpenguinstv9735 Місяць тому +4

    Owned a Philips 6-disc cartridge CDC 875. Apparently it had a TDA1541A. At that point in time the (very expensive) Meridian players were recommended in the magazines. With perspective, how does the Philips - Meridian compare today?

  • @damirhlobik6488
    @damirhlobik6488 Місяць тому +2

    i have a cd 960 with 1541 (without A), i compared it to naim cd5i and meridian g06, it beat them in everything, the most analog sounding cd player i've ever heard

  • @gracenotes5379
    @gracenotes5379 Місяць тому +2

    Interesting that multi-bit DACs (even in chip form) are the ones that make a vibrant sound stage, whereas 1-bit sigma-delta (bitstream) conversion DACs with perfect linearity don't let the music out of the speakers. Doesn't the popularity of Denafrips and other purveyors of R2R multi-bit DACs testify to the same thing?

  • @gerrywade4482
    @gerrywade4482 Місяць тому +1

    I still have my CD-101 from New and a PHILIPS CD618 both from new and I would never part with either of them. They are both Mint as new condition and both fully re-capped two years ago.

  • @charlesnr
    @charlesnr Місяць тому +2

    The second Revox 226 was 16 bit. Then we all got the Crown chip, the upgraded filter chip, and an after market improved clock. Definitely not bright.

  • @domo3552
    @domo3552 Місяць тому +1

    Back in the days of that era, we didn't sell this Philips machine but we did sell the Marantz CD 94, which was an excellent machine. That and the Cambridge CD2 were the two CD players that we sold which we would have been more than happy to live with as vinyl enthusiasts. Properly built too.
    Another great episode chaps.
    PS.
    Slave to the Rhythm is rockin' on ANY player.

    • @MrVinylista
      @MrVinylista Місяць тому +1

      Thanks, and yes, it's a seminal 1980s pop song.

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому +1

      Where were you retailing from.
      Mike

    • @domo3552
      @domo3552 Місяць тому +1

      @Hi-FiRiff Where Marillion (underrated band) and the ducks come from. I was only there part time a few days a week during the holidays to help out, not a full-time member of staff.

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому

      With Eric the bananaman?
      Mike

    • @domo3552
      @domo3552 Місяць тому

      😊 I really enjoyed that brief experience and sometimes wonder how things would have turned out if I hadn't pursued a career as a musician? I hope the chaps are all doing well, and if any of them are Riffers - 👋👍

  • @bjk6994
    @bjk6994 Місяць тому +2

    Two stroke, four stroke, Mike & Dave’s dorm room countless strokes

    • @MrVinylista
      @MrVinylista Місяць тому +2

      That's quite enough of that, thank you.

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому +1

      How did you know we were at boarding school together?
      Mike

  • @Synthematix
    @Synthematix Місяць тому +1

    The Fujitsu MULTITAINER and Fujitsu/ICL PCTV were my favourites for playing music.

  • @nasdkhan254
    @nasdkhan254 Місяць тому +1

    A great review . Phillips made visually uninspiring players but performance wise are impressive. In the mid 80s I owned a Denon 1300 which I really enjoyed. I briefly had a Marantz Cd 65 mark 2 . A big upgrade to Meridian 200/203 ( which I regret selling on) . A Meridian 507 which I bought in 2003 and used upto 2021. I currently use an Audiolab 6000cdt/M dac plus which is very precise and clean but in my secondary system I'm using a Phillips cd 610 which I got cheap at the British Heart Foundation. The Phillips is very nice

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому

      I wonder how the 610 would sound with an external dac?
      Mike

    • @nasdkhan254
      @nasdkhan254 Місяць тому

      @@Hi-FiRiff Hi Mike . The 610 does not have a dac option. I think the 610 mark 2 does

  • @giuseppelavecchia775
    @giuseppelavecchia775 Місяць тому +1

    Adoro il philips CD960,apparecchiatura che suona benissimo,top di gamma della sua generazione.ottimo modello!

  • @SparK17299
    @SparK17299 Місяць тому +1

    Glad I didn't get rid of my Revox B226s and decided to do some research on it. Found out that it has the S1 version of the TDA1541 inside. I'll never get rid of it

    • @MrVinylista
      @MrVinylista Місяць тому +1

      The differences between S1 and S2 are overstated. Indeed, Marantz's Ken Ishiwata once told me that the standard non-S1 version was almost up to Double Crown S2 standard by the end of the production run - as manufacturing tolerances improved. Keep your Revox, it's special.

    • @SparK17299
      @SparK17299 Місяць тому +1

      @@MrVinylista Indeed it is, especially since it's part of a complete setup with the matching amp, casette deck and tuner that my father gave me. I always learn something new when watching you guys, so thank you for the videos and especially your reply. Cheers :)

  • @EddyTeetree
    @EddyTeetree Місяць тому +3

    From a fellow biker Mike after a lifetime of listening to home hifi I can honestly say the best component to improve sound is marijuana tweaked with alcohol😇

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому

      Bottle of red wine for me 👍
      Mike

  • @johnshaw359
    @johnshaw359 Місяць тому +2

    You see, now you made me go back to the Meridian MCD & MCD Pro CD players days, you keep triggering me.

  • @wcg66
    @wcg66 20 днів тому

    I have one but it’s currently plagued with a few mechanical issues with the tray. I did replace the belts a few years ago but the mechanics need an overhaul. Still a masterpiece of design.

  • @nickevans3190
    @nickevans3190 Місяць тому +2

    Another fantastic rift going back to the golden years of cd players and music, ohh I laughed at your joke Mike 😂😂😂

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому

      Which one!
      Mike 🤣

    • @MrVinylista
      @MrVinylista Місяць тому

      @@Hi-FiRiff What do you mean, which one? There weren't any!

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому

      @MrVinylista oy!

  • @DeltaJazzUK
    @DeltaJazzUK Місяць тому +2

    I wouldn't have been able to afford this machine back in the day and never heard it, but all I remember of 80s CD players is that they sounded lousy compared to LPs.

  • @ConorHanley
    @ConorHanley Місяць тому +2

    Ah, I have a Philips CD880 player with that chip and with dicast transport and base but unfortunately it doesn't work.

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому

      Worth spending some cash to get it going?
      Mike

  • @Barbarapape
    @Barbarapape Місяць тому +2

    Perfect sound forever, except it wasn't.
    Yes some types of music correctly recorded do sound good on CD's
    whilst others put your teeth on edge.
    I was an A/V tech during the CD boom era, and soon learned that
    whilst Philips thought they had created the ultimate carrier of music
    my ears and a spctrum analyser proved that they hadn't.
    I can listen to most vynl recoprdings all day, but not CD's.

  • @peterpanjaeger9546
    @peterpanjaeger9546 Місяць тому +2

    Danke, ich genieße das 🥂

    • @MrVinylista
      @MrVinylista Місяць тому +1

      Thank you, and hello to our German friends.

  • @attrktmarketing4582
    @attrktmarketing4582 Місяць тому +2

    “Mike-ro-Dwave” 😂

    • @MrVinylista
      @MrVinylista Місяць тому

      That's a slightly less unfunny version of Mike's original joke. 🙂

    • @attrktmarketing4582
      @attrktmarketing4582 Місяць тому +2

      @@MrVinylista you’re too kind. It was either that or “Air-Hi-Fri” Riff

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому

      🤣

  • @remiwjuniski1808
    @remiwjuniski1808 4 дні тому

    How does it compare to some modern dac you tested ? Would you still buy it second hand today or you would go for a more modern dac ? (Chord, Merason, Rega,etc) thanks 😇

  • @ste7017
    @ste7017 2 дні тому

    The d/a converter chip in the cd960 is a tda1541

  • @bobthompson5363
    @bobthompson5363 24 дні тому

    Hi guys. Another good one albeit low on the beer factor! Made me think about the debate is it really just the Dac and whether use a ‘sound’ transport and the Dac in a streamer or separate Dac unit? Have you done such a vid as I guess that’s not what you do. Ps - 66 - Paul Weller’s latest is a proper grower. How well produced is it? (I only listen to it on vinyl)

  • @TheBjp0001
    @TheBjp0001 Місяць тому +1

    Hey guys , I couldn’t help noticing that you have a couple of guitars on the wall. Who plays them? A short jam session would bring in an extra dimension to your riff I reckon 😊😊😊

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому

      Ooh yes... A rendition of "closer to the heart" perhaps?... except David would leave and not come back.
      Mike

  • @georgeheatherley3548
    @georgeheatherley3548 Місяць тому +2

    A-P 50 great bike 👌

  • @markanderson4574
    @markanderson4574 Місяць тому +1

    Is that a very rare ovation 4 string on the wall?

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому +1

      I wish!
      It's a very common 6 string with a high action that's painful to play!
      Mike

  • @rmzidann
    @rmzidann Місяць тому

    Your passive aggressive back and forth while laughing and smiling is probably as a results of centuries of warfare and killing each other on that cold and rainy island of yours. You guys finally decided to laugh while “stabbing” each other verbally…..good evolutionary coping strategy. 😉😂😂… I love it!

  • @MacsMachines
    @MacsMachines Місяць тому +2

    Already on ebay looking to find one 🤣 👍

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому +1

      One was sold the day we did the riff!
      @MrVinylista

  • @ronlysons6750
    @ronlysons6750 Місяць тому +1

    I have a Marantz CD40 with the Philips TD1541A Dac chip, not the super duper chip you have, but it's sounds really good. People keep banging on about how fast chip technology is moving one, personally I don't see it.
    Dave, When are you going to sell me your Exposure Super V111 power amp. You may as well let someone get some enjoyment from it. If it's never going to be put to good use, it's useless.

    • @MrVinylista
      @MrVinylista Місяць тому

      Mike's the one with the Exposures!

    • @ronlysons6750
      @ronlysons6750 Місяць тому +1

      @@MrVinylista Sorry, yes I know, have a word with him for me. It would go to smoke free, child free and pet free home. I'll even send him a picture every Christmas.

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому +1

      It is my "go to" budget power amp.
      Pound for pound it takes a lot to better it, and there are few speakers which David and I review which it cannot drive.
      Admittedly it's not in the same class as the 1v, but it's a quality amp.
      Hats off again to John Farlowe
      Mike

  • @erwinvangrinsven9345
    @erwinvangrinsven9345 Місяць тому +1

    Philips has upgraded to building medical mri scanners 👍

    • @MrVinylista
      @MrVinylista Місяць тому

      Understandable considering the profits involved! But it also makes white goods like air fryers and toasters, plus TVs and lighting. No separates hi-fi anymore, sadly.

    • @erwinvangrinsven9345
      @erwinvangrinsven9345 Місяць тому +2

      @@MrVinylista they sold the name Philips for consumer electronics to other companies, it says Philips on it, but it isn’t anymore.

    • @gerrywade4482
      @gerrywade4482 Місяць тому +1

      PHILIPS Consumer electronics are sadly no more. Apart from Medical scanners and Film Scanning equipment the company ended up going back to producing what it first produced. LIGHT BULBS! I always found any PHILIPS brand product to have been quite unreliable and always said I would not even buy en electric toothbrush if it had their name on it and Guess what, they started making them too.

  • @MrSidMuff
    @MrSidMuff Місяць тому +1

    Slide control for the phones volume is an immediate 'No' from me...an aesthetic abomination 😱

    • @MrVinylista
      @MrVinylista Місяць тому

      Good point. It's very eighties!

  • @JanValkvæ
    @JanValkvæ Місяць тому

    I got one of these 🙂

  • @Jezza-m5k
    @Jezza-m5k Місяць тому +2

    The battleship build Marantz CD80 is aesthetically more pleasing to the eye and sonically superior, in my opinion. Great riff.... CD rules!

  • @jdekong3945
    @jdekong3945 Місяць тому +2

    hi folks

  • @kjbunnyboiler
    @kjbunnyboiler Місяць тому +2

    Afternoon Gents👍👍

  • @pizzaearthpancakesandother2549
    @pizzaearthpancakesandother2549 Місяць тому +1

    In the 80s to 2000s I insisted that all cd players sounded the same, as a pompous mrknowitall Yank.
    These days I know better, as my audio gear IQ has leapt off the charts, and I'm also now a flaterther, chaps.

    • @MrVinylista
      @MrVinylista Місяць тому

      It's funny how when we're young we know everything, but nothing. Age certainly makes one a more rounded human being - and that applies just as much with hi-fi as anything else.

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому

      @MrVinylista speak for yourself!
      Mike

  • @bélalugrisi
    @bélalugrisi Місяць тому +1

    Nothing good can come from phase smearing brickwall filters!

  • @stephenfurley1025
    @stephenfurley1025 Місяць тому +2

    Thomas Dolby. Splashed out 7 grand on a new wig, recently. Tempted? Would link the video but it would just be removed.

    • @MrVinylista
      @MrVinylista Місяць тому

      No need, am happy with mine!

    • @stephenfurley1025
      @stephenfurley1025 Місяць тому +1

      I imagine so, sporting the fine mop you have. I do sometimes wonder, though, if Mike doesn't harbour some eny every time he's confronted with it?

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому +1

      I love TD's Barnet.
      I'm secretly hoping that Karl Pilkington watches Riff and he discards his one in my direction.
      Mike

    • @stephenfurley1025
      @stephenfurley1025 Місяць тому +1

      I don't honestly think it's as impressive as Dave's. Have to say, a goodly portion of my attention watching you both, is, looking at the hair - and the lack of it. I do, myself, fall into the latter camp, sadly.

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому

      🤣🤣

  • @davidwilliams2840
    @davidwilliams2840 Місяць тому +1

    The LP vinyl sounds 10 times better than the CD copy of Grace Jones Island life

    • @takeiteasy6154
      @takeiteasy6154 Місяць тому +2

      it's in the mastering ,don't blame the cd format ,far superior to vinyl .

    • @davidwilliams2840
      @davidwilliams2840 Місяць тому

      @@takeiteasy6154 I'm just stating the vinyl sounds 10 times better an the cd . Don't get your knickers in a twist

    • @alanjacobs9216
      @alanjacobs9216 Місяць тому +1

      @@davidwilliams2840 You are stating it, but it's your judgement based on your gear, ears, environment, state of mind and so on. There are so many variables that might not be identical in everyone else's life. I've got a CD version of "Slave To The Rhythm" which sounds amazing but I cannot say that it is absolutely better than vinyl.

    • @Hi-FiRiff
      @Hi-FiRiff  Місяць тому +2

      I'll happily buy it on vinyl to double check in that case 👍
      Mike