How Much Round Capacity Do You Need?
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
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On Choice of a Defensive Firearm: Choose the firearm that meets YOUR defensive needs and is legal for your state or local jurisdiction. Just because I like revolvers for concealed carry doesn’t mean you have to too. Become your own best trainer.
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According to the Bible - we are to live at peace with all men as much as it is possible.
Personal defense of one’s self and of others is a last resort when there is no other option.
Self Defense Continuum - Avoid, Escape, De-escalate if possible, and if all else fails - RESIST
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The most important thing about preparation is engaging in the assessment and decision making process logically and persistently. Some gear is better than others, but the decisive factor is the real weak point in the system: the human. Most days blur together with the others, but aren’t identical. Is today the day our complacency costs us? The most important thing the prepared take with them isn’t the best gear, it’s the presence of mind and calm courage of heart that gearheads neglect.
Very Succinct.
Absolutely. I like the phrase "I am the weapon, the firearm is just a tool" as it truly points out how much more it matters the hands who are holding the gun, then which gun is being held. Have they trained, are they ready and willing to use it? Did they pay attention to even know an issue is coming. Lots of factors gear has no impact on, and paying attention to ones surroundings often goes underlooked. Stay vigilant, not paranoid. Enjoy our freedom, not living in fear, but still prepared!
Absolutely!
Was it Wyatt Earp or Wild Bill who remarked that the gunfighter has to be "willing" no matter what the gun in hand, whether a single shot flintlock or the next Gen 6 Glock wunder9, mindset is what matters most.
I don’t know what it was you were trying to say, maybe poetry??? Philosophy??? But I’ll just get to the point here, 5-shots, isn’t enough. Period.
Nice choices, Greg. My wife has been luring me to the dark side, after decades of carrying a 1911. Long ago, she carried a Model 66 on duty, and these days she prefers J-frame Centennials. I recently picked up a Model 638, and I put it in a Mika pocket holster. You hardly know it's there. These little guns are so light that a New York Reload in the other pocket is still a lot less to carry than a 1911 and spare magazines.
Good point.
It is 10pm in my city and its 100 degrees. I carry a J frame as concealment is simple and "compliance " is straight forward
Hot weather. And being active makes me also greatly appreciate the j frame. As someone who has at Least one day a week hiking 12-16 miles as a guide, the j frame is ALWAYS with me 👍👍🇺🇸 tough to beat the one that is truly always on us 💯
me to. a 1952 Chief Special.
Thanks Greg. Good things to think about. I live in NW San Antonio - kind of on the outskirts. Pretty low crime here but you never know as we are adjacent to higher crime areas and as I move about the city, I do go in an out of higher crime areas. While I am comfortable with a snub nose revolver, I have been carrying a G23 Gen 4 in an IWB strong side. I holster it in the morning and carry it all day and at night, it gets a weapon light mounted and sits next to me on the night stand.
I feel your pain, brother, I'm in Ausitn and go around with a 642 at least but commonly carry a G19 strong side IWB.
@@cjtexas9646 In Austin just like Jacksonville Fla. and Memphis you need a 500 magnum or a 12 gauge in your car.
@@guaporeturns9472 Wish I could , trapped between a rock and a hard place.
I hear you. I live off Kyle Seale and SA is very diverse and most neighborhoods get swept nightly by auto thieves and break-in artists. I pocket carry a P365 and am getting proficient at getting it out quickly while seated in the truck. Stay safe.
texas=shithole. all of it.
Rosie looks spectacular! I carry a 6 shot 357 mag snub a lot, but a high cap 9mm in areas where I feel more of a threat.
Kind of my philosophy.
Rosie looks great. I carry the blued version of the model 36 and absolutely love it. Great video.
Thanks for sharing Greg. I remember a Mr Holster video in the winter time that Scott was packing more guns than Jose Whales just to prove a point about concealed carry. Nice to have several options to go with the seasons. You and your family take care. 🇺🇲🌲🔥🔪
Mr. Holster! One of a kind and sorely missed.
Good stuff Greg! I have settled on my Glock 26 as my EDC, but I have also now included my 642 j-frame revolver in my front pocket as a backup gun. I realize it is more than likely overkill, but having both makes me feel more comfortable. Keep up the good work sir!!
It it makes you feel safe it isn't overkill.
Generally less than 5 rounds will take care of any physical threat in life if one is proficient with their firearm of choice but it's good to have both firearms with multiple capacity of rounds as well as a good ole 5 round revolver !!!
Yes there are many variables that must be known in deciding what is the correct capacity for you as an individual to carry. No two people will always have the same answer and people will put different amounts of significance on things even when looking at the same situation. Despite some thinking there is only one answer that is just not feasible or practical in suiting all of the differences in people carrying. Great video as always! Rosie making new gun jealous getting duty time decades later! LOL
In terms of criminals wanting an easy victim, 88-92% of cases for civilians 0 shots are fired. The gun being presented sends the criminal running almost always! In the cases shots are fired a 5 shot J frame is nearly always enough when the j frame user has trained with it. They make the shots count
I live in a low crime area and here in the south it gets darn hot in the summer. So I carry a Glock 43 (9mm) or a 38 snub with +p ammo I can comfortably conceal those handguns in lightweight summer clothing. If I have to travel into a large city I carry my Glock 19.
Greg, I've been carrying as a civilian since 1980. Normally a 5 shot snubby in .38 spc. Of late a 5 shot Taurus poly protector in .357mag. with two speed strip reloads. At times my Glock 26 9mm with 10 in the firearm and one 15 round mag. Reload. In all those years I only had to discharge 3 rounds of 9mm. One into a dog attacking a child. And two into a rabid neutriena while fishing..
Hopefully that is all that will ever occur.
Stay safe
Thanks for sharing those two incidents.
As usual a great topic..in the warmer weather I carry a Snubbie usual pocket carry, so jeans or shorts are ok..In the Cloder months I carry OSW with a service size Pistol either a 1911 or a 15 RD 9mm...
Thanks for some very useful information.
Thanks for a concise discussion of the topic Greg and the witness.
Another resource is NYPD publishes their Use of Force data every year - number of rounds and distance are covered and it is always an interesting report to read. Cover about 50 years of data and includes on and off duty information.
Spoilers ( from memory so I might be off a bit)
the Mode is 1 round
the average is between 2-3 rounds.
Most distances are under 15’
Around 60% involve 6 or less rounds
Mostly 9mm or (historically) 38 spl ammo
My conclusion is to carry a good working pistol / revolver in a good working holster with a reload or two
Total round count of 15 + available
Then practice and train often - confidence helps you dominate the situation with / without shooting
To repeat your advise: know whats legal where you are and what happens after the event.
8 is NY avg shots fired, w 1.6 hits
Is that report only focused on LE-involved incidents?
@@DanTheWolfmanthanks Dan for the number check. I believe they issue Glocks with 14# trigger pulls. Makes them tough to shoot well.
@@TUKByV yes; it's only NYPD officers who are currently employed at the time.
@@coatpocketsurvivalist That does suck but lack of training, lack of funding to shoot more than 2x a year, all the B.S. etc. etc.
panther Reload is now my favorite justification for carrying a reload! I filmed a similar video last night and thread online lol. 13 or 16 main, with 11 in BUG is my current go to, extra mag from car gets added if going into somewhere shady like a Walmart or downtown. I'm two snub Curious so 11 or 12 total ready, and a strip. Heading downtown or trip Auto on waist instead of Revolver. 1 Beltline Carry, 1 Bug support side pocket always. One is a Reactionary, and Car Jackers since most of us are not wrong handed like Greg, the other is Unknown Contacts and robberies on yourself at closer distance with being relaxed and no brandishing with the "Wrong" hand.
Good luck with the yellow jackets, we know all about them in Alabama!
Off topic. I got an Spartan knife from Cold Steel recently. I like it. It is still a little stiff.
Go out and be safe!
I'll have to check that knife out.
Cold steel makes great knives!! Roll Tide!
Greg, as always concise and informative encouraging people to do their homework and making the best choices for their situation and skill level. Thanks much!
Thanks for the video gives me some ideas on how to carry especially to church .
Great advice; every PD plan should start with a threat assessment. I think it's important to keep in mind your purpose in any given civilian, personal defense scenari is: to stop a behavior that threatens you or your family. There are, I suppose a multitude of variations on this theme but in the end the civilian carrier is not conducting counter-insurgency operations, we're not running toward the gun fire. If we do, we do so with the understanding we're gone beyond the classic definition of personal defense. With luck the DA would still consider your actions justifiable. In my simple view of the world, the push to carry optics-equipped, high capacity handguns for PD is as much about marketing as it is self-defense. (Just personal opinion here). I'm happy with my SP101 in most situations but I also avoid situations where my better judgement tells me to exercise more caution.
"The push to carry optics-equipped, high capacity handguns for PD is as much about marketing as it is self-defense." I tend to agree. Mike from the mrgunsngear channel once commented that when started getting into the firearms and self-protection industry, he was surprised at how many people involved in the industry did not ever carry a firearm.
I agree completely on your statement about the push for ultra high-cap, optics-equipped, all-decked-out is more about marketing and fashion than it is necessity or practicality. Especially when considering many UA-camrs that push those narratives often have links in their videos where they get kick-backs on purchases of said items.
When I do carry a revolver concealed (rarely), it is my pre-Clinton hole M642 +P. I believe this combination was only offered from 1991-94. I then evolved from my Glock 19 to a 48 with Shield Arms mag upgrade to 15 rounds and the Ghost Trigger 3.5lbs connector. Now I have moved on to my S&W Shield 9mm 2.0 Performance Center. This Smith 9 shoots, carries and conceals so much better than all the rest. When concealed carry is not a concern, but charging hogs may be, such as on a hike on our small farm, a Glock M30/.45 is a great comfort to have on the waist.
That new Shield is getting a lot of good press.
@@LionquestFitness it's got a great trigger
I too live in a “low crime” area, “high dog”, although mostly friendly. Always have something. Great video.
Thx Greg...we think alike.
This discussion used to be about stopping power of various calibers when semiautomatic pistols were low capacity steel framed with 2 or 3 shots more than a service revolver. I know a couple of seniors who carry Bond Arms overunder double barrel derringers. The flat profile is the primary desired feature and their opinion is that 1 shot will be enough deterrence, and 2 doubles that. All the factors Greg brings up override capacity as a sole determiner. NYPD statistics about Officer gun use generally mirror that of the LAPD and would likely be similar if compiled for all the 18,000 US law enforcement entities. Even if only 1 shot is all that is needed its still advantageous to have more behind it available just in case of an outlier circumstance. A sharp bayonet and tomahawk are reliable backups.
For me it depends on my mood and where I may be going that day. I live in a state where we have all four seasons, and in the colder winter months I like carrying a bigger gun (OWB) It could be anything from a 3" Colt 357 to a Glock 21 in .45 ACP. I will also add I dont put myself in situations where im pumping gas at 2:30 in the morning or going in High crime areas, but then again crime and or bad things can happen anywhere and for those who are pumping gas at 2:30 am watch your surroundings and never leave home without your phone charged and a Smith j frame in your front pocket 🇺🇸
Yep, I carry as much as I can based on how I am dressed. I prefer my G19 but, that just don't get it in Texas summertime. Mainly I have 3 tiers. G19, Hellcat and Ruger LCP MAX. They all have a higher Capacity they just drop smaller in size. Ironically me and the better half were on vacation and there was a shooting in our hometown while we were gone. I reached out to check on my family back home. The details were sketchy. Finally got a report on it last week. It involved 2 men. It seems the defender was dating the other man's sister. They got in an argument at the local convenience store. One gentleman ran home grabbed a pistol and returned. Pointed the pistol at the the other. He pulled a semi auto rifle from his truck and fired 12 shots. Hitting the attacker multiple times. The attacker was life flighted. Last word he was still clinging to life. This is a town of only 600 people. So you just never know.
Good point.
It all depends on what situation you're expecting to be in. For me , 99% of the time a snubby revolver is enough, but if I had to go into a bad area or civil unrest was going on, I'd carry something with a high capacity.Of course , you should avoid bad situations and bad neighborhoods, but sometimes that's not possible.
Best of luck with those Yellowjackets. They are devils!
These days, I feel like nothing less than a full auto M4 type SBR will do. Of course there are $400 NFA reasons why that won't work, not to mention possibly making people around me a little too nervous. What I know I will carry is a light weight J-Frame. It's all a compromise. I'm still going on the side of comfort. Also, the summer heat is brutal!
That's for sure. I'm highly allergic to those stings.
Excellent topic. The new modern dilemma. Personally, I am more comfortable with any 9mm that has as its base at least 10 rounds. i.e. Currently, that is a SA Hellcat that has 14 rds and a spare of 15.rds. PS. However, when I return to my old home state, I carry a P365(10rds 9mm) and/or my S&W 642(5rds 38spl). "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come".
Nice carry options though.
I've been carrying a nickel 36 just like that Greg! Always love your videos
11 rounds to take down a panther- wow
I don't go to the mailbox without my Colt Detective Special. 6 shots of +P .38 Special is just perfect for emergency. Fits in my bathrobe pocket and is light enough that I hardly notice it anymore. That's my "always with me" piece. In my car I carry a Glock 43 single stack. I have the 2 shot extension for one of the two mags that come with it and a side car for the 6 shot mag. That's my EDC and what I am most proficient with. On my "warbelt" is my full size Sig 9mm that I strap on when the shit hits the fan. It has everything on it. Flashlight, mag pouches, first aid kit, 8" KaBar, handcuffs, baton, etc. Like the utility belt for Batman
As soon as I read "bathrobe" immediately after reading "go to the mailbox", I got visions of Tony Soprano doing the same!😂
Thank you for this interesting video. Remembering that most personal defense situations are associated with a very small number of shots seems very relevant to me.
Boa noite meu amigo americano. É muito boa m ver esses debates que o Sr sempre expõe, como sabe ,meu país não é o lugar mais calmo do mundo,mas, a cidade que moro, Sorocaba-SP, é relativamente calma, acredito que na América, devido ao fato de que muitas pessoas tenham armas e em alguma citação de risco, elas possam se ajudar, aqui já é o oposto, o cidadão está desarmado,nossas leis são horríveis, benefícios aos foras da lei. Enfim, como sou policial aposentado,e em 2006 sofremos em meu Estado, São Paulo, um ataque terrível de uma organização criminosa PCC( Primeiro Comando da Capital) onde quase 100 policiais, bombeiros incluindo aposentados ,morreram, temos que nos precaver sempre, a capacidade as vezes está na frente por conta disso. Ja o cidadão não consegue ter seu registro de porte de armas, as vezes a posse em sua residência. É muito complicado por aqui, por isso ,sempre que posso aconselho seu povo maravilhoso, nunca entreguem suas armas ao governo, nunca deixem de lutar por seus direitos. Na Venezuela e no meu Brasil, o povo se desarmou e hoje sofre as consequências dessa escolha. Deus abençoe sempre o Sr e sua família, Deus abençoe as Américas 🇧🇷🤝🇺🇲.
Não é incrível como os socialistas querem que os cidadãos comuns sejam incapazes de se defender contra criminosos reais? Recentemente, no estado liberal progressista de Minnesota, a Suprema Corte decidiu que, antes que você possa apresentar uma arma de fogo para impedir um ataque, você deve tentar recuar primeiro.
@@LionquestFitness parece que vivem em outro planeta.
Excelente comentário! Márcio, tenho uma dúvida: um militar ou policial que tenha o CRAF/PAF de ambas as armas, pode portar o revólver.357 mag, com munição.38 spl, sem ter problemas em abordagens policiais? Pergunto isso porque sou oficial do EB, amante de revólveres, e possuo o RT 856 e RT 605. Às vezes, tenho vontade de portar o 605, pelo tamanho diminuto, com munição .38 spl. Porém, fico preocupado com a questão legal...
@@andrenunes7924 boa tarde. Acredito q se tiver os dois calibres sim, mas se tiver só o 357 , não consegue comprar munições de 38. Caso se envolva em alguma ocorrência, pode ter problemas. Eu treinaria com 38 e usaria 357 no porte ,para evitar problemas. Sabe como é, nunca acontece nada, até a hora que acontece 😅
@@andrenunes7924 porte o 605 de boa com munição 357, se precisar usar , Deus te livre disso, não vai nem sentir a diferença na mão, recuo, gatilho , essas coisas que dizem , na adrenalina a gente segura até caminhão 😅
Excellent video! Congrats! I prefer comfort and concealability.
I agree with your assessment and appreciate your honest video. All too often many of the gun videos portray the idea that unless you’re carrying the latest, greatest, high capacity weapon, equipped with a tactical light and optic; you are under gunned. That is simply not true.
I’ve been involved in 2 shooting incidents in my career as a police officer. I’m also a Marine Corps combat veteran of Iraq.
The way I approached my load-out for patrol was vastly different as a cop compared to a Marine, because the tactical situation and expectation of my performance were different. What I mean is that as a police officer, you are most likely to be dealing with regular people during routine interactions, however you may be called upon to go into a dangerous situation. As a marine in combat, we were often in extremely hostile conditions, looking to engage with terrorists, who were also trying to engage with us.
I see my off duty/everyday carry thought process through same lens, but the final result is much different. What is my threat assessment? What am I expecting to do about it? What are the conditions? What is the most appropriate firearm for the task?
Personally 99% of the time I am carrying a S&W Shield Plus 9. If I feel the need I carry a spare magazine. My job as an armed citizen is primarily to avoid problems. If need be, I want to be a good witness. And only if absolutely necessary to defend myself or others, and then break contact. Obviously your mileage may vary.
I really enjoy the content.
I wish more people realized the wisdom of what you said. Thank you.
Thanks for another fine video. I have moved to 45 amp I am not real concerned about capability More concerned with put down power
Excellent video as always, Greg. It's so refreshing to hear someone quote facts instead of emotions. Statistically, self-defense issues almost always resolved without resorting to a prolonged John Wick style battle. Nothing wrong with high capacity, in fact I've never heard of a situation where that has been a detriment. Assess your situation, trust your gut and adjust accordingly.
I have a 605 in my pocket right now. I figure 5 shots of 357mag is plenty for me. I live in the country in WV and I don't think theres any gangs in my county or surrounding counties. Great topic👍👍
Hi Greg,good information and well thought out. The common sense you bring is refreshing! I carry what I shoot the best and I'm comfortable carrying. Keep training and always carry. It's nice to see I'm not the only person that has names for my guns. Thanks for all your hard work and time Sir.🤠
Thanks Terry!
Good info. Thanks
👍👍Thanks Greg, you always make good sense. One major difference to me between the police encounters and ordinary citizens self defense encounters is the police are trying to apprehend someone while I’m using my firearm to escape and get away from the situation.
That is a significant difference.
There aren't many tree panthers in my neck of the woods, so I'm good with a snubbie! Thanks for the video, as always, Greg!
I don't know about that. They are occasionally spotted in the Carolinas. 😮
Comfort, concealment, and skill proficiency.
Greg, Wonderful that you are sharing expert advice,Comfort ,concealability,& SKILL. AS you have expressed, Professionals rely on skill & Knowledge & not Capacity, p.s....Rosie sure is a Beauty , I had a missed opportunity years ago in acquiring a sister of hers
Great video, Greg. My only experience took place about 35 years ago, and merely presenting my 6 round 38 Special revolver suddenly reminded an entire gang of young tough guys of a previous engagement ELSEWHERE. And judging by how rapidly they left, I guess it was a pretty important previous engagement, and they didn't want to be late.
P.S. You mentioned something you called a glock??? What's a glock? I thought this was a gun channel.
I'm getting ready for church, and need to decide between my Charter Arms Undercover, and my Charter Arms Police Undercover. Decisions decisions, decisions.
I remember your story. I had something similar happen years ago. I was living in a rural area. At 3:00 am two carloads of eighteen and twenty year olds stop in my yard, jump out, and began fist fighting with each other. I was sleeping on the couch and woke up. I grabbed a Model 10, went out and got behind the engine block of my car. They were so preoccupied they didn't know I was there until I held up my gun and politely asked them to leave. Needless to say they absconded.
Great video, good info, thank you Greg!!!
Really good presentation Greg, thank you. Andrew McMahon
Thank you Andrew.
Common sense again. Thank you for the video. Have a good day at church tomorrow
You do the same Big Al!
I carry a 627 PC 8-shot .357 in a Lobo Gunleather enahnced pancake holster and a Shield Plus 9mm in a Vedder Pocket Locker holster (15 round mag and two spare 13 round mags). I also keep some Saber pepper gel handy.
Thanks Greg … another great video. Watching from Arizona & Tennessee.
thanks for sharing. the 605 is always carried appendix no matter the dress or weather(other than at work, as i teach) with back-up varying from lcp2 up to glock 22, depending on circumstances. summer bug is usually kt p11(not fun to shoot, but very small, dependable, and13 rds of 9mm) and winter bug is usually astra a75 in 40 for penetration.
👍 good stuff Greg.
Thanks GB.
You & me both Greg, my 340PD goes everywhere w/me. Cops & the military need a high capacity weapon, but reality kicks in w/hot weather. Last night we went out to dinner w/friends (wore thin dress slacks) and my old LCP was in my left front pocket in a DeSantis pocket holster. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for that affirmation. I'm glad an old warhorse like yourself, and I say that with respect, survived mentally and physically and is enjoying a well deserved retirement.
No offense taken, I’m sure old @ 77 and warhorse seems to fit. Stay safe Greg.
Whatever you can carry comfortably for the situation
Greg thanks for that logical advise.
But as you know i have restrictions where i live😢
My options are limited and seem to work well. They are called Demolition (Axe and Smash, both German Shepherds) keeps the Rapskallians away. 😊
Nice shirt, shorts and guns..... i don't know, but some thing is missing 🤔
You couldn't resist bringing up the missing bandana, Les. 😂
@@tylermorrison7051 Tyler... I have no idea what you are talking about...🙄... really....🤞
The bandanna...🙄
@lesgillard985 Greg should start selling "Grambo" bandanas on his Lionquest Fitness merch store. I know two people who would purchase them. Also, I'd like to see some signed Greg Newton 8×10's. I'll put it next to my Paul Harrell and Hickok45.
@LionquestFitness Oh, right.....the Bandanna . Must have slipped my mind
Good information to know and live by. Carry what meets tour needs, and are able to shoot effectively.
Good one brother 👍😃💪
I would tend to agree that in the past 1-5 shots would be sufficient for most defensive shootings. Criminals tend to get panicky when confronted by armed citizens. However, the defender's capability should also be considered. Ideally every gun owner should be proficient with a fire arm, practicing at least monthly or even weekly so they're expert shots. Inevitably, however, many will be the type that keeps it in a sock drawer until an emergency. The overworked single mom, the granny, the teen forced to use his or her parent's gun when they're away may all be semi proficient at best. In a more involved fight they might need that extra 5 to 10 rounds just to land one hit. Hopefully they'll be competent enough not to just spray and pray. Hopefully. But I trust them more than criminals.
Also, in recent years there's been an uptick in home invasions and robberies involving multiple assailants who themselves may have high capacity magazines (illegally in many cases - go figure). And also the potential of being confronted by an angry mob in a large city. In such cases having a higher capacity magazine may be necessary. Large numbers can give people much more confidence than normal. Though I caveat that by saying a first line of defense against a mob is to: 1) Avoid big cities or, 2) If you can't avoid big cities, recon news and social media to find when and where protests are that may turn violent happen and avoid them.
Good points and advice. Proficiency or the lack thereof is why I never recommend X amount of capacity or a revolver over a semi-auto. A revolver might be fine for me most of the time, but someone who spends less time with their firearm should have more capacity available, if they will actually develop proficiency with it. That's the elephant in the room. You have to actually practice with your firearm, whatever you carry, to be proficient, which many people do not do.
Thanks Greg. Great job. Good info. God bless. Happy trails.
Good discussion. Practical. Timley. Best Wishes.
Another great video with a lot of good information. Hope you made out ok with all the rain SC recently had.
It bypassed us and we are still in drought.
Excellent video! Perhaps one of your best. Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Very true... It could be a variety of different possible threats, depending on where you live. High capacity is most likely the best for the urban jungle, but you could need substantially more power if there's large wild animals around you - so power could be more important, in some situations. Prepare for the unexpected.
Situational adjustment.
If I'm working outside or going to my local grocery store in my tiny, rural town, I'll probably have something small and light. As you said, snakes, coyotes, javelina, are a far more likely threat than a two legged one.
If I'm going to any town large enough for a Walmart, and especially TO Walmart, I want something with at least 10 rounds, and a backup mag if I'm particularly uncomfortable.
Good plan.
Grest video, Greg! I appreciate the inclusion of statistics.
Good points Greg. Would like to see an EDC video as an accompaniment to this.
Food for thought.
I always enjoy your videos. Your very clearly spoken, and present the information well. Although I don't always agree with you I look forward to the next one. Just my opinion, in todays world I'll always choose capacity.
No problem with that at all. It is an individual choice guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment.
Greg, in nys can't carry our CCW. In sensitive places. So that's everywhere. But the criminals are the law abiding citizens.
Not good. I dislike your governor just from the avaricious, maniacal, bucky beaver way she comes across.
I've got a nickel plated Mod 36 Chief Special square butt made in 1976. I put a set of Pachmayr grips on it and carry it when I run to the store at night. S&W makes solid handguns.
@@wizardofahhhs759 Especially those older ones.
I see Blondie is still wearing the wood grips. Mine broke while shooting and I had to switch grips. I sure liked the feel of them though. Agreed on capacity. When the shooting starts everyone seems to scatter anyway. Another great video sir.
Hate to hear that about the grips. That type of wood doesn't do well, or so I've been told, in dry heat. I live in a high humidity area and also use linseed oil periodically on the grips.
The revolvers are too nice to lose in a self defense situation to the cops.
I have carried 5 and 6 shot revolvers and do not feel outgunned. I'm not looking to get into a kerfuffle with multiple armed thugs.
If I go out to the desert to explore, I would probably carry a gun with more capacity. Here in town, a revolver is fine.
great vidio sir thank you for the info
90% of the time I carry a 6 shot compact because my risk assessment has concluded it’s all I need. I’m comfortable with my choice, it’s for defence as a last resort. My rules for self defence are 1. Have a firearm 2. Don’t get in a gunfight.
@@madmack7501 Concur.
The fight goes to whoever brought the most ammo! "Clint Smith"😂
@@eddiewest8477 God bless Clint, he says a lot of things for shock value, and anything he says needs to be taken in context.
I don’t believe I’ve ever heard anyone complain about taking too much ammo to a gun fight.DUHHH.
Well, there is a big fallacy in that often quoted cliche. It doesn't take into consideration that the goal is to not put yourself in a situation where there is a gunfight.
@@LionquestFitness something that’s not a”fallacy “is that 99 % of the people who who have successfully left a gun fight,didn’t know that they were going to one in the first place. It’s called unexpected circumstance.
@@coaltrain4423 That may be true, but part of survival is mindset and preparation.
Statistically, you're unlikely to need more than the capacity of a 5 or 6 shot revolver. Still, IMO, having more available is a good thing. With a good holster, I can carry a compact 9mm comfortably, so that's what I do. I rotate between a Sig P250, a CZ P10C, and a CZ 75 compact, all of which offer 15+1 capacities. OTOH, when I lived in Alaska, I usually carried a 4" Smith and Wesson 629 .44 magnum. Around the city, I loaded it with .44 special self-defense loads and when I went hiking or berry picking, I just swapped the ammunition for Buffalo Bore hot loads. It's all about tailoring your EDC to your specific circumstances.
CZ makes excellent pistols. I have the P07.
@@LionquestFitness I own several CZ pistols and three CZ rifles. I've never been disappointed with a CZ product.
Here in Florida when it's hot and in shorts, (mist all the time) when I'm heading out Springfield armory Hellcat 14 rounds of 9 mm in the front pocket.
If I'm just walking the dogs either a Taurus 856 or a Ruger LCR in the front pocket.
I recall a Mas Ayoob article in Guns and Weapons in Lw Enforcement years ago where he detailed the NYPD’s revision of their long time statistics regarding number of rounds fired during a police shooting. Originally, it was a. Avaerage of three rounds. After purging data of NDs and self inflicted, the average number jumped to six. Early in their adoption of 10+ round 9mms, the number only jumped to eight. Don’t know if that number has since risen. Have to take what you carry and the capacity based on a realistic evaluation of your own circumstances and ability rather than the prevailing wind at any given time. Five or six with accompanying reloads might be all that’s necessary while in other cases…
For me this comes down to where I'm going or going to be doing. More physical labor for example probably sticking with Model 60 in pocket with 2 zeta 6 reloads in other pocket. Going to town much more populated areas I will take my CZ with 2 spare Magazines. Winter carry is generally My Model 29 4 inch in the shoulder rig again with speed loaders. An excellent topic and one that I get questions on a lot
@@ThecrazyScotsman That brings up a good point about the Model 60. My Model 642 gets a lot of carry around the house, doing yard work and maintenance and when working on vehicles.
At least a 10 round magazine with some extra mags concealed carry everywhere and everyday!
Pray you never need it but be thankful you have it if needed.
My 5 shot revolver is my backup and is in a backpack.
Get your CCP, CWP, LTC or whatever it's called in your state. If your state does not allow it then it's time to move to one that does!
Another great video. Bless you for taking on church security. Protect the flock 🙏
How much round capacity? Simple - as much as you need and if you don't have enough you can say oh sh*t and exfil.
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I've noticed a pattern in the comments about weapons normally carried into "high crime areas" vs "low crime areas". Many state they are comfortable with a 5 or 6 shot revolver in every day activity. However, when entering the "high crime areas" everyone says they have a high capacity 9mm auto. Why the change in weapons? If the revolver is a good choice in familiar areas then why not in others? Does it suddenly become ineffective in unfamiliar locations? And if the high capacity 9mm autos are chosen for such locations then why isn't it for the familiar areas? It appears that many people are buying into influencers hypothetical theories based upon their "theories" rather than any personal experience. (Greg is the exception). And I believe that manufacturer's marketing is also a strong influence by promoting the 9mm with big magazines. They are the number one "hot selling" handguns because they created a market for sales of weapons that cost less to produce and profits are high. This trend has formed a pattern that every manufacturer now follows today.
The above is just an observation, and not a conclusion. Merely something to think about within the theme of this video. Like Greg, I'm an old school retired peace officer. And I've been in a few shootings in my time on the streets. But my latter years were involved in crime analysis predicting movements and activities of criminal behavior and the acts they committed. If you study things long enough you can, with near absolute certainty, predict their outcome.
That is a good question for discussion and I'd like to see what other people think. Some places I carry higher capacity, mostly six rounds of .357 to be truthful, but some dangerous locations I don't. A few years ago when I kept having to visit some of the rougher areas of Atlanta, I carried an air-weight snub. Being an out of state stranger I didn't want to get caught in a situation where my skin tone and being from somewhere else would go against me in the Fulton County legal system.
In my area the thugs are carrying AKs AR pistols Dracos etc.I use to carry a SW49 but have switched to my trusty Gen1 Glock 17 with 2 spare mags and a few in the car.
@@WalterLitwinko Sounds like a good precaution.
None of us can know when, where, how many, etc. should the need to press the trigger arise. With that in mind, I carry semi-autos with two 12 round magazines, one spare and one in the pistol. While I am reasonably certain that I won't need that many rounds, the option of having them is not negotiable.
Of course I carry a number of other items, as the criminal gets to decide when and where the sh*t will hit the fan. As defenders we will be reacting to the event, not perpetrating it.
thanks Greg !! I can't remember whether it was Myoob or Smith that said " I need enough rounds in my handgun, to get to my rifle" .) That reverberated with me years ago, so I replaced my GP100 with an 8 round S&W 627 as my nightstand gun, since all my rifles and shotguns are locked in a safe. Paradoxically, I'm completely fine with a 5rd snub when I'm out in public... can't explain it, its just me !
Listen to your instincts.
Shot placement. A lot of fast misses don’t help. My 1952 blued Chief Special is my spring/summer carry.
1. 6-inch 357 magnum with two speedloaders
2. 6-inch 45acp with two extra 12-round magazines
3. 9mm with two extra 15-round magazines
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I wish !
Last Friday, I took my 45, three loaded magazines, and a few boxes of ammo to the 15-yard line of an outdoor range. When the range master told me no rapid fire and I must have at least two seconds between shots, I thought to myself, I will never reach Jerry's proficiency at this rate.
I like your taste in guns. Rosie is a wonderful looking Chief Special.
As a kid growing up in rural north Florida in the 50s and 60s, it was very uncommon for anyone to legally carry a handgun. This was due as much to the general lack of violent crime as it was to there being no practical way to comply with the ridiculously convoluted laws at that time which required you to have a license issued by each county you planned to enter. I doubt anybody had 67 carry licenses. That said, there were plenty of older men and a few women who ignored the Yankee carpetbagging laws that came about following the late unpleasantness (well, that's how they viewed the situation). By far the favored short arm was the DA revolver in calibers 22, 32, and 38. Mind you, the typical khaki clad gentleman with a cane and sweat-stained fedora regarded the almost anemic 38 S&W cartridge as big medicine, while the more genteel southern ladies preferred the even weaker 32 Long Colt or 32 S&W Long. The cruder members of society favored folding Buck knives which they tended to display in drunken anger on Saturday nights, followed by a visit to the town doctor for a bit of stitching. Life wasn't always quite Mayberry in those days, but it was far less lethal than what one finds today in urban America where the 38 Special and 380 are seen as pipsqueaks, and those who carry legally or illegally are toting at least a 9mm.
Interesting reflection of life as it was. The fifties, sixties and seventies were more violent than we often remember.
@@LionquestFitness I was referring to my rural setting, but yes, things began heating up in the 60s and 70s, especially after the I-10 corridor was completed near my hometown. A lot of riffraff thought we might be easy pickings as they passed through, but were soon disposed of any such notion by the muzzle of a gun or the odd well-placed shot.
You never have enough ammo if ya spray & pray!
Round capacity depends on Markmanship's ability. My Father a flintlock rifle. Myself a fifty round thompson drum.😜
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I’ll carry a five shot revolver all the time with about 10-15 rounds for reloads. I’m not carrying to be John Wick I’m carrying to extricate my self and companions from the situation. If by any chance I know there is a greater threat I will carry a higher capacity firearm…
the average pistol owner barely practices enough to hit a target at 7 yards. if you need more than 5 rounds what you have found yourself in is not a common self defense situation but a gunfight. the level of skill you need to be a proficient gunfighter is far beyond the once a year range trip. if you want capacity to be relevant to you, then you need to do a few things. 1. regular dry fire 2. occasional live fire (once a month minimum) 3. classes from trained professionals 4. shoot competition (uspsa or idpa). if you arent doing these things then capacity is not a factor for you. its fine to not be a gun fighter but dont pretend like having 15 plus rounds is going to help you anymore than 5 when you havent put the time and effort into your skill development. owning a car doesnt make you a race car driver, owning a guitar doesnt make your jimmy hendricks, and owning a gun doesnt make you a gunfighter.
Interesting points. I'd think I'd avoid the appellation of 'gunfighter" however.
At least one.
I carry what I want. I carry 5 or 7+1. I have carried high capacity 8+1. I'm old school. And old. Dog attack? Dogs run from me. Even black bear.
Make sure your watchers know that presenting your fire arm, even just saying you have one, can be brandishing, a crime.
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